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Shanzem
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Posted - 2008.03.29 23:17:00 -
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Originally by: Thicky McThick The modern british teenager, is something you see when you don't have a gun. How I wish it was true the other way round, when they see me.
Middle class, can't be happening here, it's not my kid attitudes and not dealing with the YOB deprived gang culture that exists, is far more important than all the spoon fed, we should be worried about "this triffle" government spin.
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Barren QelThyr
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.03.30 00:16:00 -
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*tries to make heads or tails of that* its all those comma's that are confusing me.
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Raktar Medovski
Omen Incorporated Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.30 01:07:00 -
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Most American gang bangers could beat the crap out of any chav any day.
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SoftRevolution
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Posted - 2008.03.30 01:31:00 -
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Edited by: SoftRevolution on 30/03/2008 01:36:36
Originally by: Kappas. I think the main problem is lack of visible policing. Not many people are willing to do stupid things if there are a lot of police walking around (hint: get the **** out of the cars and walk).
I could tell you every spot in my town where underage kids hang out to drink, wait outside shops to ask you to get either cigarettes or alcohol for them, etc.
Apparently having police just walking around actually pulls them away from solving crimes and is a horribly inefficient use of resources.
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Kirjava Somehow it is still there, theres one man who shot someone who kept burgling his house and got done for manslaughter. Good on the man for sticking to his guns - pardon the pun.
I understand his undoing was the shotgun, which was of an illegal variety.
I doubt the outcome would have been any different in the US, with a body on your property and no papers for a weapon of a restricted class.
If you're talking about that farmer who shot those horrible pikeys it was because he shot them in the back as they were fleeing his property.
If he'd shot them in the chest as they were breaking in and made a plausible case that he was in fear of his life when he did so the outcome could have been different there. EVE RELATED CONTENT |

Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.30 02:55:00 -
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Point 1 : The British "Justice" system is a farce. Point 2 : The lack of power that British law enforcement agencies have is a farce. Point 3 : The lack of tools available to British law enforcement agencies is a farce. Point 4 : The pay and working conditions for British law enforcement employees is a farce. Point 5 : The government's failure to aknowledge the above issues and remedy them is a farce.
It's concerning how in today's UK society, a rapist, paedophile or murderer can get as little as five years in jail before being eligable for parole. IF they're convicted.
It's concerning how in today's UK society, most people who attempt to defend their homes, properly and livelihood become the VICTIMS of the british justice system because of inconsistent written law and rediculous loopholes.
It's rediculous that an island so small, and so densely populated could have such severe issues with both crime in built up areas and immigration.
The simple fact of the matter is that our social and civil services can't cope. Why? Because our current goverment is USELESS at getting logistics organised with them, when they need it.
Personally I find it massively amusing that under the rule of idiots for the last fifty years, our country has managed to practically destroy it's own industrial backbone and completely fail to keep it's borders under control. I mean, it's an island for god's sake.
It's hilarious considering that not so long ago, Britian occupied and operated almost two thirds of the world as a commonwealth.
The state of the UK sometimes makes me ashamed to be English to be honest. And no, I'm not an old timer... I'm 23.
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nahtoh
Bull Industries United For 0rder
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Posted - 2008.03.30 03:46:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy
Originally by: Kirjava Somehow it is still there, theres one man who shot someone who kept burgling his house and got done for manslaughter. Good on the man for sticking to his guns - pardon the pun.
I understand his undoing was the shotgun, which was of an illegal variety.
I doubt the outcome would have been any different in the US, with a body on your property and no papers for a weapon of a restricted class.
Also various violations of the firearms laws before the incident, the one that always seems to slip past is the only non barred window was in a direct line from where he fired (that suggests to me premeditation), ammo stashes throught the building and the fact he only used that building for storage. The person in question was not as much of a victim as he made out to be.
But as for teenagers in the UK? yeah some areas are cesspools but then again other s are not. I suggest less money spent on cameras and stupid other idas and more police that are visible on the actual streets. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |

Gaius Decius
Viziam
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Posted - 2008.03.30 14:55:00 -
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All chavs need to be killed, preferably with fire.
Problem solved.
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Sereifex Daku
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.30 15:02:00 -
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Originally by: Gaius Decius All chavs need to be killed, preferably with fire.
Problem solved.
Problem is they're like*****roaches. You can never kill them all, and they would msot likely be one of the only species to survive an apocalypse. 
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SoftRevolution
Complicity.
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Posted - 2008.03.30 15:08:00 -
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I dunno. Those Kappa tracksuits would probably go up pretty easy. EVE RELATED CONTENT |

Deverian Tarik
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.03.30 15:10:00 -
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Originally by: SoftRevolution I dunno. Those Kappa tracksuits would probably go up pretty easy.
All the booze and smokes they carry around with them would probably help too. 
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Mtthias Clemi
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.30 15:58:00 -
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Contaminate the country's supply of fosters, problem solved.
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Shanzem
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Contaminate the country's supply of fosters, problem solved.
isn't it cider now days? or bottle alcohopops?  -------------------------------------------
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shanzem linky for BBC news
linky for BBC news on bus travel
i would say i am surprised or shocked but i am not.
Any other Euros or Americans witness or seen this?
Firstly stop reading the daily Mail I know you have not linked it on this occasion but I can see..... it's obvious. Secondly the problem is that we have the worst parents in Europe who will do everything possible to prevent their children from being disciplined by stuff at school because they themselves are ********. Thirdly we need to spread the good word of computer games as this will distract young people from going outside and thus distracts them from the compulsion to go outside and be violent.
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Yosarian Manth
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:22:00 -
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I feel sorry for the mods on this forum, I really do.
People don't change depending on their generation, cultural influences do, stop ignorantly blaming people and look at the underlying problems. |

Sereifex Daku
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
Firstly stop reading the daily Mail I know you have not linked it on this occasion but I can see..... it's obvious. Secondly the problem is that we have the worst parents in Europe who will do everything possible to prevent their children from being disciplined by stuff at school because they themselves are ********. Thirdly we need to spread the good word of computer games as this will distract young people from going outside and thus distracts them from the compulsion to go outside and be violent.
WOAH! Hey now! Let's not be so hasty here. The virtual world is where I go to escape these chavs. Our culture has already suffered with the rise of Halo and WoW. I don't want MORE of these people screwing up the one thing I still find entertaining!
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
Point 1 : The British "Justice" system is a farce. Point 2 : The lack of power that British law enforcement agencies have is a farce. Point 3 : The lack of tools available to British law enforcement agencies is a farce. Point 4 : The pay and working conditions for British law enforcement employees is a farce. Point 5 : The government's failure to aknowledge the above issues and remedy them is a farce.
As a native I can say all of the above is true. It's also worth mentioning that one of the reasons for British law being so wet is because of the way European union human rights laws act for the under 16's. But of course other nations pick and choose how they observe these laws but Brittain observes them ALL because we are a whipped dog
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TimGascoigne
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Sereifex Daku
Originally by: TimGascoigne
Thirdly we need to spread the good word of computer games as this will distract young people from going outside and thus distracts them from the compulsion to go outside and be violent.
WOAH! Hey now! Let's not be so hasty here. The virtual world is where I go to escape these chavs. Our culture has already suffered with the rise of Halo and WoW. I don't want MORE of these people screwing up the one thing I still find entertaining!
yes I agree this is a major problem to.
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Shanzem
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
Originally by: Shanzem linky for BBC news
linky for BBC news on bus travel
i would say i am surprised or shocked but i am not.
Any other Euros or Americans witness or seen this?
Firstly stop reading the daily Mail I know you have not linked it on this occasion but I can see..... it's obvious. Secondly the problem is that we have the worst parents in Europe who will do everything possible to prevent their children from being disciplined by stuff at school because they themselves are ********. Thirdly we need to spread the good word of computer games as this will distract young people from going outside and thus distracts them from the compulsion to go outside and be violent.
What the **** are you smoking? i don't read the daily mail 
secondly your right we do have a generation of crap parents. and on video games, didn't you hear there bad for kids they need to go outside and fall in line with the rest of the **** out there 
oh and one last thing, i asked if had anybody had seen or witnessed this, not who's to blame.
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Shanzem
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Yosarian Manth I feel sorry for the mods on this forum, I really do.
People don't change depending on their generation, cultural influences do, stop ignorantly blaming people and look at the underlying problems.
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Yosarian Manth
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2008.03.30 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:46:23 Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:45:59 Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:45:37
Originally by: Verone
It's hilarious considering that not so long ago, Britian occupied and operated almost two thirds of the world as a commonwealth.
/me holds his nose to avoid the stench of imperialist rhetoric.
Originally by: Verone
The state of the UK sometimes makes me ashamed to be English to be honest. And no, I'm not an old timer... I'm 23.
It's sad to see you've become so bitter already 
Originally by: Shanzem
i guess you would blame the media?
No. The media are an essential part of a free society, but its a shame that to survive they have to go for sales and not credibility.
I just wrote a long post providing counter-arguments to a lot of posts in this thread, then realised ITS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE. |

Mtthias Clemi
The Space Bastards
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Posted - 2008.03.30 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: Shanzem
Originally by: Mtthias Clemi Contaminate the country's supply of fosters, problem solved.
isn't it cider now days? or bottle alcohopops? 
Yes those too, but street corners with fosters is still very popular activity.
We don't get too much trouble with teenagers around here, but then i live in a pretty posh place.
There are 5 secondary schools within a mile of me though, and considering that, its pretty damn good, even for a posh place.
being 17 myself i have to deal with idiots like this every day
I own 6 hoodies though 
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Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.30 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yosarian Manth Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:46:23 Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:45:59 Edited by: Yosarian Manth on 30/03/2008 16:45:37
Originally by: Verone
It's hilarious considering that not so long ago, Britian occupied and operated almost two thirds of the world as a commonwealth.
/me holds his nose to avoid the stench of imperialist rhetoric.
Originally by: Verone
The state of the UK sometimes makes me ashamed to be English to be honest. And no, I'm not an old timer... I'm 23.
It's sad to see you've become so bitter already 
Originally by: Shanzem
i guess you would blame the media?
No. The media are an essential part of a free society, but its a shame that to survive they have to go for sales and not credibility.
I just wrote a long post providing counter-arguments to a lot of posts in this thread, then realised ITS NOT APPROPRIATE HERE.
wow... you needed three edits to troll me twice?
Go you... 
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Xen Gin
Universal Mining Inc Forged Dominion
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Posted - 2008.03.30 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: TimGascoigne
Originally by: Verone
Point 1 : The British "Justice" system is a farce. Point 2 : The lack of power that British law enforcement agencies have is a farce. Point 3 : The lack of tools available to British law enforcement agencies is a farce. Point 4 : The pay and working conditions for British law enforcement employees is a farce. Point 5 : The government's failure to aknowledge the above issues and remedy them is a farce.
As a native I can say all of the above is true. It's also worth mentioning that one of the reasons for British law being so wet is because of the way European union human rights laws act for the under 16's. But of course other nations pick and choose how they observe these laws but Brittain observes them ALL because we are a whipped dog
Oh looky another media escape goat, the European Human Rights Laws.
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NeoNeTiC
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Posted - 2008.03.30 23:15:00 -
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Sad to see the thread turning into a flame-fest like most threads on eve-o since I'd be interested in hearing other young people's opinions on this matter ._.
It's the same here in Germany by the way. Same attitude, same issues, same discussion, same lack of a solution. The only difference is that we don't have a term like "Chavs" to blame it on. 
Stop *****ing about UK-laws now - it's not just you island-folks out there who suffer from this ****.
Now enjoy raising your kids,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Pedagogue
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Sereifex Daku
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Posted - 2008.03.30 23:26:00 -
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Originally by: NeoNeTiC Sad to see the thread turning into a flame-fest like most threads on eve-o since I'd be interested in hearing other young people's opinions on this matter ._.
It's the same here in Germany by the way. Same attitude, same issues, same discussion, same lack of a solution. The only difference is that we don't have a term like "Chavs" to blame it on. 
Stop *****ing about UK-laws now - it's not just you island-folks out there who suffer from this ****.
Now enjoy raising your kids,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Pedagogue
As a German, do you believe that national service has done anything to improve the problem?
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Yosarian Manth
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2008.03.31 01:19:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
wow... you needed three edits to troll me twice?
Go you... 
Excellent point, all opposing arguments have been disproved.
I can't see how my points would fit into the definition of trolling. I'll assume you were not being serious given that my previous impression of you was generally good. |

NeoNeTiC
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:24:00 -
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Originally by: Sereifex Daku Edited by: Sereifex Daku on 30/03/2008 23:37:21 I'm curious. As a German, do you believe that national service has done anything to improve the problem in your country?
Since Germany had national service since the beginning and the issue still arose I can't really say it "improved" anything.
The German system works a bit like this: 1. You get tested for possible military-use.
2.a) If your medical conditions rule out joining the military you don't have to do anything at all.
2.b) If you are considered "ready to enroll" you may chose to do alternative civilian service instead, which mostly means working in hospitals or institutions who take care of elderly people. Sometimes you get lucky and just have to clean the schoolyard for a few hours a day or watch over a bunch of kids.
2.c) You chose to join the military and realize after a few days it totally sucks and file a form to do alternative civilian service and end up at 2.b).
2.d) You do your 9 months of mud-crawling and getting yelled at for no reason.
Now, since young, wild and violent kids can't stand 2.d) they mostly refuse to go to the military and waste their 9 months of national service by smoking weed and dispensing food to old people, which would be allright if they were pacifists or otherwise incapable of getting drilled a bit. Fact is: They're just lazy ****s and want to get over with it with the least amount of hassle possible.
I have yet to meet one person who changed fundamental beliefs/attitudes because of German national serivce in its current form.
The problem seems to be caused by the lack of parenting in my opinion. Kids watch TV, listen to music or sit in front of their PC without the parents' knowledge of what's going on.
I remember playing Duke Nukem 3D, Doom and Quake (1) on my PC when I was a kid (between 8 and 12 years of age) for example. Nothing extraordinary for most of you but you have to consider the fact that these games are banned by the German government (on the same level as "Mein Kampf" from a well known German dictator) by the former BPjS, nowdays known as BPjM.
I've not grown up to be a danger to society so one might argue about my example given above but it's well known fact that kids get influenced by lots of strange moral values without the parents' knowledge or, in case of the internet, ability to monitor. Even at home.
Since the discussion of such matters on a forum about a online spaceship game won't "cure" society I better stop now.
Enjoy posting,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Moralizer
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Cmdr Sy
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 31/03/2008 21:29:04
There is no point in national service if it is anywhere near point d) in the list of alternatives. It is not national service if there are alternatives. It's more like "Would you like to spend your gap year crawling through mud? Oh. Would you like a prospectus just in case you change your mind?"
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Shanzem
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cmdr Sy Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 31/03/2008 21:29:04
There is no point in national service if it is anywhere near point d) in the list of alternatives. It is not national service if there are alternatives. It's more like "Would you like to spend your gap year crawling through mud? Oh. Would you like a prospectus just in case you change your mind?"
Agreed the obvious would be to remove the option for civil service and force them into mud crawling for 9 months.
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NeoNeTiC
Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.03.31 21:38:00 -
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Originally by: Shanzem
Agreed the obvious would be to remove the option for civil service and force them into mud crawling for 9 months.
Well, the current official plan is to abolish forced military service and instead replace it with a professional army, whilst the youngsters watch over elderly people while getting high and writing SMS to hear about the latest news on potential party-locations. :3
Now back to more international solutions to "cure" Chavs 
Enjoy your mud-crawling,
NeoNeTiC
[MORTS]-Drill-Instructor
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