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Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:35:00 - [1] linky for BBC news linky for BBC news on bus travel i would say i am surprised or shocked but i am not. Any other Euros or Americans witness or seen this? ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Sereifex Daku	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:07:00 - [2] I think the problem is that we have become very left wing. It has almost become taboo to admit that your politicaly views are ever so slightly right wing. If you aren't a lefty, then you're a **, according to the majority of people in the UK that I've met (which is just plain stupid as the **s were actually national socialists, so they were centralists, it could be argued). I find this very scary as democracy can not function when one party is extremely popular just because it is fashionable to support that party and another one is unpopular because any supporters are instantly labelled as monsters, but I digress. The insane level of left views in this country has, therefore, stripped us of the ability to punish offenders. We have become so 'civilised' that we have forgotten how to punish. Any society punishes criminals in order to deter future actions and to endow the people with the idea that justice protects them. It is true that rehabilitation should always be an option, but only so many criminals are capable of starting over as a law abiding citizen. I think that we need to bring back the death penalty in this country. I've been observing chavs (yobs, ghetto rats, whatever you wish to call them) for some time. I have come to the conclusion that they are cowards. Deep down, they realise that they are the weakest (both mentally and physically) in society and so they band together and go around stbbing/shooting individualsto compensate. Therefore, if we show them that we aren't afraid to ACTUALLY punish chavs every now and then, they won't feel so inclined to break the law.
lofty29	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:07:00 - [3] Tbh, those figures are way out of proportion. Probably all taken from London Burroughs. Where I'm from (not far from london, about 40mi) there's the occasional fight, but nothing that bad. Sure you'll get the asians taking on the chavs taking on the stoners, but actual fights happen once in a blue moon, nowhere near as often as that seems to say. 族---族 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Latest Video : Relentless
Kappas.	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:11:00 - [4] I think the main problem is lack of visible policing. Not many people are willing to do stupid things if there are a lot of police walking around (hint: get the **** out of the cars and walk). I could tell you every spot in my town where underage kids hang out to drink, wait outside shops to ask you to get either cigarettes or alcohol for them, etc. __________________
Andrest Disch	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:11:00 - [5] That video talks of ASBO's as if they actually work, though i've heard Chavs speaking of them as if they're awards. That coupled with the fact that "they're" thinking of bringing in ASBO's for <10 year olds and "they" effectively make cat alarms to herd us away, it's no wonder this country is ****** up.
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:13:00 - [6] Edited by: Kirjava on 29/03/2008 16:13:57 I say it every time this comes up - I am 17 and I support mandatory national service in the military, police ect. I know that means I would be conscripted, and I think its needed in Britain, a lot of these people just don't respect the system we have. It puts it into perspective I would wager, being on the field in the military what things are like at home and how they are taking too much for granted. Can anyone in the military confirm or deny this for me please, wouldn't want to preach what I haven't experienced. With respect to the statistics, it varies place to place, I was in Liverpool all week and to be quite honest I didn't see anything like that (even though it has a reputation for being rough). The Generation between the Baby Boomers and mine are fine from what I have seen, the Baby Boomers all went soft methinks after their Victorianesque upbringing...... Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:24:00 - [7] I think the case is overstated, in most places I have been in the UK, young people are a fairly docile lot, so much so that you have to worry whether there is any spirit left in this country. It is as though our motto has become 'meh'. Originally by: Sereifex Daku I think the problem is that we have become very left wing. Not in the least. Almost every comment I see on this issue in the print and online news media is right wing. The problem is a simple misallocation of resources. Criminals get a few months in prison not because that is all the criminal justice system wants to give (or the people for that matter), but because that is all the criminal justice system can afford to give. The problem is a disconnect between what the penal code says and what we have in bricks and mortar. We have a load of 'No Vacancies - Sorry' signs on our prisons and everyone knows it. It is not ideological softness on crime you see, it is penny-pinching cutbacks. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:28:00 - [8] The more penny pinching cutbacks there are the less taxation there is so MPs can keep their cushy jobs that much longer. Reality is unfortunatly not what people want most of the time, more tax is needed to cover the shortfalls. Case in point Alex Salmond forced through a bill to halt the rate of increase of Council Tax - now they are having to slash spending left right and center to compensate for his ego stroke. At least Thatcher never took a PM paycheck, only a Minister. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:38:00 - [9] Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 16:44:12 Originally by: Kirjava Edited by: Kirjava on 29/03/2008 16:13:57 I say it every time this comes up - I am 17 and I support mandatory national service in the military, police ect. I know that means I would be conscripted, and I think its needed in Britain, a lot of these people just don't respect the system we have. It puts it into perspective I would wager, being on the field in the military what things are like at home and how they are taking too much for granted. Can anyone in the military confirm or deny this for me please, wouldn't want to preach what I haven't experienced. With respect to the statistics, it varies place to place, I was in Liverpool all week and to be quite honest I didn't see anything like that (even though it has a reputation for being rough). The Generation between the Baby Boomers and mine are fine from what I have seen, the Baby Boomers all went soft methinks after their Victorianesque upbringing...... here here, same my friend with new requirement of cyber-warfare i was looking at joining the army as a technical specialist, but first i will see how they handle this, if its anything like how the current government does there IT infrastructure i am going to give it a miss. Secondly your on the same line of thought i am, why not remove the free NHS policy? if people need or what free health care they will have to join the army. sorry but i can justify letting people die as been patriotic to my country. and Thirdly its not just the teenagers that need to be blamed, its incredible.. parents have been disciplined when they were younger and they made a semi decent (i will not say perfect) society, then they removed it, add the fact a child does not need an education because one can leave school and go straight into a dead end job. add cheap alcohol and smokes into the equation and a generation of adults that became push overs. i really would like to know what adults of the time were thinking. what were they thinking? seriously were they thinking at all??? it does not take a genius to work out were this is going to lead. in fact if i am not mistaken they very bright people at the current ruling generation period within time warned them about this. What you reap is what you sow, maybe this is me but i have to parts of me to this, one says we should respect this and let this continue, are adults before us choose this path right? or do we try and stamp it out? end of the day its those very teenagers who are the next ruling generation, fighting this may not been an option at all. again if they become the fat of the land the very same mistake are going to take place. and i almost guarantee thats why the government have stopped fighting and slowly cut back there campaigns, because this is england what and it is going to look like and is going to get worse. ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Zephyr Rengate	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:42:00 - [10] Blame the parents!
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:46:00 - [11] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Blame the parents! NO! i will blame.. teachers.. parliament, TV, video games, toys.. books. the postman, music, Fashion , media corruption... need i continue? wait am i doing this right? ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.03.29 16:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Cmdr Sy Originally by: Sereifex Daku I think the problem is that we have become very left wing. Not in the least. Almost every comment I see on this issue in the print and online news media is right wing. The problem is a simple misallocation of resources. Criminals get a few months in prison not because that is all the criminal justice system wants to give (or the people for that matter), but because that is all the criminal justice system can afford to give. The problem is a disconnect between what the penal code says and what we have in bricks and mortar. We have a load of 'No Vacancies - Sorry' signs on our prisons and everyone knows it. It is not ideological softness on crime you see, it is penny-pinching cutbacks. Well, I think that you see a lot of right wing comments (such as mine) these days because people are beginning to wake up, thankfully. The new hot-topic for every news service is anti-social behaviour, and so that is getting people stirred up. As for your point about lack of resources, you are certainly right. However, this is, contrary to what you say, directly linked with ideological softness in my opinion. Ideological softness is what led to us wasting money on locking up and/or rehabilitating criminals, hence lack of money and space in prisons. Whereas executions would save a fair bit of money and trouble while at the same time sending a strong message to lowlifes everywhere.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Blame the parents! Blame Canada! Also, wtf is an ASBO? Some piece of paper that says "youve been very naughty, dont do it again"? I've heard a lot of trash about british teens, honestly, just smack them around a bit. Kid breaks your shop window, you break his arm. Sounds like a fair trade. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
feiht'd'ero	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:16:00 - [14] while i would not advocate the death penalty, i would like to see harsher prisons rather than the cushy places we have today, forget prisoners having rights they dont deserve them.
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Blame the parents! Blame Canada! Also, wtf is an ASBO? Some piece of paper that says "youve been very naughty, dont do it again"? I've heard a lot of trash about british teens, honestly, just smack them around a bit. Kid breaks your shop window, you break his arm. Sounds like a fair trade. This is exactly the problem and why we are ticked off with the British Judicial system. In Britian if someone breaks into your house and gets hurt - they can then sue YOU whose house it is. Completly mad and a Brit will be the first person to point that out by the way. People have been done for Assault here for hitting or restraining kids while vandalising stuff. Somehow it is still there, theres one man who shot someone who kept burgling his house and got done for manslaughter. Good on the man for sticking to his guns - pardon the pun. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Shanzem The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:18:00 - [16] Originally by: feiht'd'ero while i would not advocate the death penalty, i would like to see harsher prisons rather than the cushy places we have today, forget prisoners having rights they dont deserve them. does anybody in here not understand the concept of a prison??? it was used to hold criminals for a short period of time before they were A, executed or B,killed via another means. they were never intended to be used as a long time storage facility -------------------------------------------
Brea Lafail Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:18:00 - [17] Sounds like y'all need some good ol' fashioned violent protests to get lawmakers on the right page.
Shanzem The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:22:00 - [18] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Brea Lafail Originally by: Zephyr Rengate Blame the parents! Blame Canada! Also, wtf is an ASBO? Some piece of paper that says "youve been very naughty, dont do it again"? I've heard a lot of trash about british teens, honestly, just smack them around a bit. Kid breaks your shop window, you break his arm. Sounds like a fair trade. This is exactly the problem and why we are ticked off with the British Judicial system. In Britian if someone breaks into your house and gets hurt - they can then sue YOU whose house it is. Completly mad and a Brit will be the first person to point that out by the way. People have been done for Assault here for hitting or restraining kids while vandalising stuff. Somehow it is still there, theres one man who shot someone who kept burgling his house and got done for manslaughter. Good on the man for sticking to his guns - pardon the pun. Agreed, 100%, odd isnt it.. justice is bad, breaking the law is good. -------------------------------------------
feiht'd'ero Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: feiht'd'ero while i would not advocate the death penalty, i would like to see harsher prisons rather than the cushy places we have today, forget prisoners having rights they dont deserve them. does anybody in here not understand the concept of a prison??? it was used to hold criminals for a short period of time before they were A, executed or B,killed via another means. they were never intended to be used as a long time storage facility When i talk about prisoners in prisons i am thinking a few cells crammed up, food dropped in and a cess pit they dont cost much to run. and why execute when they will more than likely kill each other
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Shanzem Agreed, 100%, odd isnt it.. justice is bad, breaking the law is good. To be quite honest if it's still there when I get near my 30s I can't honestly see how hard it could be for me to make a serious bid to get into Parliament. I am of the same age as those drunken chavs, if thats my competition for Parlaiment...... lets be frank how hard could it be? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Cmdr Sy	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Kirjava Somehow it is still there, theres one man who shot someone who kept burgling his house and got done for manslaughter. Good on the man for sticking to his guns - pardon the pun. I understand his undoing was the shotgun, which was of an illegal variety. I doubt the outcome would have been any different in the US, with a body on your property and no papers for a weapon of a restricted class. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 17:44:15 Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 17:42:10 Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 17:39:54 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Shanzem Agreed, 100%, odd isnt it.. justice is bad, breaking the law is good. To be quite honest if it's still there when I get near my 30s I can't honestly see how hard it could be for me to make a serious bid to get into Parliament. I am of the same age as those drunken chavs, if thats my competition for Parlaiment...... lets be frank how hard could it be? Agreed you have my vote. you going to have to goto university though i cannot remember what you need to study. i will do a quick google search. infact you could be onto something here, if those Chav become the main fat of the land i would not become to difficult for someone like yourself to sneak in. in fact this would undermine all current ruling generation regulations as we become the ruling generation. HELL LONG LIVE THE BRITISH CHAV i can see this been exploitable, imagine this.. a bunch of kids well adults as they will be grown up.. who know diddly ****. under educated, no understanding of economics or science, that person would go un challenged if all they did was comfort there needs and let them kill themselfs. i wounder how many adults have ever questioned this? in fact i change my argument .. we need more of these.. Seriously.. Genius you just come up with a way to solve this itself, we need more idiots and chavs lots more. we need more chavs.. more teenagers need to be jumping on board with chavs, the next person we have in office needs to be a geek, aslong as the chavs have there beer n cheap smokes and semi decent taxes they will be happy. that way you could do anything in parliament and get away with it and go unchallenged. the current adults need not laugh you only have to look how brain dead a large portion is. ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:49:00 - [23] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 17:56:00 - [24] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is Yup lets keep it up ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:06:00 - [25] Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is There are a lot of problems in Britain, thankfully most can be solved in one context or another. Even global warming can be solved just not the way we have it now, if worst came to worst we could allways dome Cities like London. Costs a motherload but we still keep our homes which is better than most of the world. Prevention is for the healthy, and healthy people want to be able to be treated when not healthy as opposed to never becoming unhealthy. It is just ingrained in the public psyce that you will get ill, maybe not today or tommorow but you will. It all comes down to taxes and government not having enough nationalised services. Take a look at China, its govenrment is investing in global businesses and propping its own econemy for the long term. Britian did so well before because of the Empire, which was a trade Empire in most senses. Its thinking outside the box, but an Orbital Elevator would give Britain a monopoly over Space travel and exploitation of its resources. Again looking a few decades into the future but if we want to solve our resource problems it may become viable as Chinas demand starts increasing global market levels beyond what we are comfortable with..... Orbital Elevator may cost us around 20Billion Pounds, but its one of the reasons I am going to be studying Civil Enginearing in September Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is Yup lets keep it up if we keep it up much longer we will have made a moon out of this planet but we already have so many moons how about you guys goto one of those moons and play there instead
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:10:00 - [27] Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 18:17:01 Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is There are a lot of problems in Britain, thankfully most can be solved in one context or another. Even global warming can be solved just not the way we have it now, if worst came to worst we could allways dome Cities like London. Costs a motherload but we still keep our homes which is better than most of the world. Prevention is for the healthy, and healthy people want to be able to be treated when not healthy as opposed to never becoming unhealthy. It is just ingrained in the public psyce that you will get ill, maybe not today or tommorow but you will. It all comes down to taxes and government not having enough nationalised services. Take a look at China, its govenrment is investing in global businesses and propping its own econemy for the long term. Britian did so well before because of the Empire, which was a trade Empire in most senses. Its thinking outside the box, but an Orbital Elevator would give Britain a monopoly over Space travel and exploitation of its resources. Again looking a few decades into the future but if we want to solve our resource problems it may become viable as Chinas demand starts increasing global market levels beyond what we are comfortable with..... Orbital Elevator may cost us around 20Billion Pounds, but its one of the reasons I am going to be studying Civil Enginearing in September Britain already **** yeah there, with there banning of space travel oh and to get the necessary funding is going to be incredible, the current generation have left us in quite a lot of . if your going to get a project like that underway first you need to tackle big pherma and remove placebo drugs. close that down and that nearly an extra 2billion in your wallet. go figure our adults didn't even sort this ** out. again its left to the young. the sooner the current ruling generation are removed the better. ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Shanzem	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:12:00 - [28] Edited by: Shanzem on 29/03/2008 18:13:00 Originally by: LUH 3471 Originally by: Shanzem Originally by: LUH 3471 Edited by: LUH 3471 on 29/03/2008 17:53:40 the only lack here is lack of awareness lack of wisdom (intelligence) left and right are jsut both sides of the same medal anyway what the problem is in this cultrue is that we are so much spending ressources on treatments of illnesses instead of doing something for prevention which doesnt cost almost anything and has a much greater effect really shows how ill brained this society is Yup lets keep it up if we keep it up much longer we will have made a moon out of this planet but we already have so many moons how about you guys goto one of those moons and play there instead i cannot sorry i am British we don`t do space travel. thank my government for that linky for lazy ------------------------------------------- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Kirjava	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:16:00 - [29] Originally by: Shanzem Britain already ****** yeah there, with there banning of space travel the sooner the current ruling generation are removed the better. Agreed. Imagine what a feather in our cap it would be if we beat the Americans to Mars. This would increase public interest and investment in the new developing sector. With regrds to the Elevators construction it is quite simple, we buy a few of the larger Russian Rockets and lift the payloads into orbit then unravel the Seed tether keeping the center of gravity at GSO. Anchor it on Ascention island and Bobs your uncle, attach elevator cars with more tether and lift it up, keep repeating till you can have trains that can carry heavy freight to orbit and voila, you have an extension of the conventional train and merchant shipping network that takes you to high orbit. What we realy need is investment in materials science research to get Carbon nano-tubes strong enough to support the strain. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Shanzem The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Kirjava Originally by: Shanzem Britain already ****** yeah there, with there banning of space travel the sooner the current ruling generation are removed the better. Agreed. Imagine what a feather in our cap it would be if we beat the Americans to Mars. This would increase public interest and investment in the new developing sector. With regrds to the Elevators construction it is quite simple, we buy a few of the larger Russian Rockets and lift the payloads into orbit then unravel the Seed tether keeping the center of gravity at GSO. Anchor it on Ascention island and Bobs your uncle, attach elevator cars with more tether and lift it up, keep repeating till you can have trains that can carry heavy freight to orbit and voila, you have an extension of the conventional train and merchant shipping network that takes you to high orbit. What we realy need is investment in materials science research to get Carbon nano-tubes strong enough to support the strain. Wasn't this proposed by a small American company, any who do not expect much from British science, it tries but again the currently ruling generation ruins everything for the bright among them with interests in this area. good idea its a damn good idea, are you at work and do you have msn or anything like that i would like to talk about this more. Secondly what education you looking at? degree or master? -------------------------------------------

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