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Azitek	Posted - 2008.03.31 11:58:00 - [1] So after a year of solo highsec mining, I'm thinking about branching out into missions. Looked at a few posts, and it looks like highsec mission runners usually get around 2-4 mil/hour. Is this everyone's experiance? I get around 5 mil/hour mining, and was wondering if highsec lvl 4 missions would pay any better?
RazorRaven	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:12:00 - [2] Well, it depends on type off missions you get, you dont get bounty from drones etc. But from normal missions I can earn from 8 - 18 mil per hour, doing solo lvl 4 combat missions. And Salvage and loot often give another 50-100% to what you have earned from bounty.
CrayC	Posted - 2008.03.31 12:48:00 - [3] Edited by: CrayC on 31/03/2008 12:51:40 I am based in a 0.5 system and very rarely go higher or lower than that for my missions. I would say 5 million in bounties alone, for a simple mission, and closing in on 20 for a really good mission. But it all comes down to what you fly, how you fight and what you are up against. If you're in the infamous MissionRaven and try to take on Sansha/Blood Raiders, you might not have that good a tank for them and so the mission takes longer, as you have to be more careful. But a Dominix tanked to hell and back, with the right set of T2 drones, against Sansha/Blood, the money are rolling in faster than you can reload your launchers The major difference between mining for isk and missioning for isk, is that with mining you only get stuff you need to sell in order to get isk. The price varies depending on supply/demand. With missions you get isk right away, plus loot you can recycle and/or sell for extra cash, plus wrecks for salvaging giving you even more potential isk. On top of that, missioning gives you something to do, makes you think AND you can defend yourself a bit more than in a mining barge
Imo thefirst	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:17:00 - [4] dont forget the LP and the standing gain that might resoult in being able to use a R&D agent and then gaining RP for datacores -------------- Imo TheFirst CEO of DSBDK Diplomat for AuroB
CmdoColin Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.31 13:33:00 - [5] Originally by: CrayC If you're in the infamous MissionRaven and try to take on Sansha/Blood Raiders, you might not have that good a tank for them and so the mission takes longer, as you have to be more careful. But a Dominix tanked to hell and back, with the right set of T2 drones, against Sansha/Blood, the money are rolling in faster than you can reload your launchers Think Sansha Pirate invasion in a capstable dual t2 large repp'ed Apoc with t2 megabeams. Sure that's only infiltrators rather than the domi's praetors or curators, but I'm pretty sure not many domi's can clear that in 30 minutes. 9.5 million bounties in 30 minuites... k-ching! 5 million iskes/hour and no wrecking hits, you dunno what ya missing! (PS I hate Angels in that Apoc...) Audita et altera pars
Neddy Fox	Posted - 2008.03.31 14:04:00 - [6] I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... /rant off.
Govind	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:01:00 - [7] I think being analytical is part of what makes this game interesting. I took a break from being in a 0.0 alliance because _that_ felt too much like a job to me. As to the original poster, your profit from missions will be something you grow into as you can do the more difficult missions and do them relatively fast. Just because drones don't have bounties doesn't make them unprofitable. There is a level 4 drone mission where I pull down greater than 20million for the whole mission after refining the alloys and selling off the minerals. When you compute which is worth more remember to consider: 1) Total ISK reward + time bonus 2) bounties 3) refinables 4) loyalty points Loyalty points are fairly cheap, but when you start pulling down a few thousand per mission you can start getting some decent prizes from the various LP stores to either use or to sell.
Tsanse Kinske	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:15:00 - [8] Originally by: Neddy Fox I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! It's a good point. OTOH, for a lot of players, these activities are just isk-making means to an end: PvP. Also, it's at least partly on CCP if a lot of players find a profession so tedious that they think of it more like a "job" than a fun part of the game. * * * In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -Douglas Adams, writing about EVE
Chainsaw Plankton	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:40:00 - [9] because if i make more isk/hr than you my epeen is bigger anyways would you rather make 5mil/hr mining, or say 10mil/hr running missions? As far as I'm concerned its a valid way to get the most out of limited time. according to my spreadsheet 10mil/hr is about the max for highsec mining, refining and selling at forge average price. (hulk t2 crystals, 2 mining upgrade IIs, max skills). that assumes no warp outs and a constant mining stream. so that would be say 9mil/hour divided between 2 people, although you should get a bonus to yield from gang bonuses then. how it works out with a command ship, group of hulks, and hauler/s Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Bhodistafa Independent Operations Amen Anera	Posted - 2008.03.31 17:21:00 - [10] Originally by: Neddy Fox I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... /rant off. Amen to that!! I was looking through most threads and it was a case of iskies per hour doing this ect... I play casually for the fun of the game, I also have a life outside of eve..shock horror!! Like this toon said, it's a game, enjoy it however you play, be it miner, mission runner or pirate, plus any other careers I've missed.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.31 19:52:00 - [11] Quote: I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... Don't you understand? People want to make money as fast as possible so they can spend more time doing what they want to do, and less time doing what they have to do.
Leandro Salazar	Posted - 2008.03.31 20:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Bhodistafa Originally by: Neddy Fox I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... /rant off. Amen to that!! I was looking through most threads and it was a case of iskies per hour doing this ect... I play casually for the fun of the game, I also have a life outside of eve..shock horror!! Like this toon said, it's a game, enjoy it however you play, be it miner, mission runner or pirate, plus any other careers I've missed. Yeah it is a game. And for me, gaming is about competition. And isk/hour is a way of keeping score more than anything. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Arazel Chainfire	Posted - 2008.03.31 20:19:00 - [13] yes... but here is the true question - how much ISK/hour can you pull from a mostly afk alt while you're main is off doing PvP and stuff Just thought i'd throw that out there. That being said... i think the answer is probably running missions in a domi - mostly because that is a constant stream of income that isn't liable to market fluxes (ice mining was good... but it has started bottoming out). -Arazel Originally by: Tsanse Kinske Mutual Incomprehension is one of the Four Horsemen of most internet arguments, I guess, along with Unfettered Hostility, Overwhelming Vagueness, and Lack of Evidence.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.03.31 21:52:00 - [14] I used to alt-tab mine in high sec for ok isk but decided it was better to make more isk and just actively run L4s. The risk of losing your hulk in high sec means you need to actively mine which I find is boring as hell. Missions should make you atleast triple more then high sec mining. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Marcus Xavier	Posted - 2008.04.01 02:32:00 - [15] There is one thing that folks seem to forget to factor into their total rewards calculation: the risk of losing your ship during an encounter mission. If you run one mission a day and lose a battleship every six months in a mission, your actual payout would be 0.5 to 1 million less per mission. ---------------- Mutatis Mutandis
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.01 07:45:00 - [16] Originally by: Azitek So after a year of solo highsec mining, I'm thinking about branching out into missions. Looked at a few posts, and it looks like highsec mission runners usually get around 2-4 mil/hour. Is this everyone's experiance? I get around 5 mil/hour mining, and was wondering if highsec lvl 4 missions would pay any better? Hi sec lev 4 missionrunner does approx 20 mil/h solo. If he is competent and reasonably fitted. It's pretty attention intencive tho usually so you can reliably control up to 2 accounts in missions, while in mining 5 - 6 accounts is not very big problem. Mining is great activity for iskmaking alt if your 'main' char is having fun somewhere or if you are semiafk (like watching TV). Missions are not very suitable for that.
JohnnyGoofy Danish Trade and Mining Inc. Frontier Trading and Co Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.01 07:54:00 - [17] Edited by: JohnnyGoofy on 01/04/2008 07:55:05 I'm currently pulling ~50 mill a hour mining with one hulk and a hauler alt. but i can only do it 3-6 hours a day. Mission running... phe! (just joking) /Johnny edit oh yeah... it's in high sec.
J'Mkarr Soban	Posted - 2008.04.01 07:59:00 - [18] Yes, this is a game, and one thing I'm sick of hearing people say is 'if you can afford <enter faction ship or marauder here> you can afford to faction fit it!' This completely defies logic, as I've spent most of my money buying the ship! I'm a casual player just now, and getting into my Paladin was such an achievement that I felt so proud! On the other hand though, I can see the logic that because I'm a casual player just now, getting the most out of the time I do spend in game makes sense, as everything revolves around isk. -- These are my personal views and in no way represent the views of Proxenetae Invicti, which maintains a neutral stance stemming from the strong ethics demanded of its work.
Elseer Radak	Posted - 2008.04.01 13:26:00 - [19] Edited by: Elseer Radak on 01/04/2008 13:28:05 Hi, Short Answer: Lvl 3's pay equal or better than hisec empire mining and are fiarly easy to skill for. LV4's pay me on average twice to three times what I get empire mining. long answer: It really depends on your gun/missile, weapons support, tanking fitting, and cap skills. To go from "good enough" (a level 4 might take 2 - 6 hours to do solo) to "killer" (level 4's take 1 - 2 hours) will take most of a year of carefully training -- just like mining does. "Good enough" for lvl 3 took me almost 2 months of training, "good enough" for lvl 4's took me another month. Weapons upgrades to 4, Large t2 weapons, t2 large and sentry drones take a long time to archive. IF you're an ace fighter with awesome gunnery/missiles, weapons support, tanking, fitting and cap skills then all facets (LP rewards, Salvage, Loot, Bounties, Rewards - not counting data cores or research) of a lvl 4 mission usually total from 30m - 50m and hour or so. For us miners who are secondary mission runners, total payout (I find) is 15m - 25m / hour in lvl 4 missions. Now, for me, this means that Empire mission running is double my income than from empire mining (9m - 12m). So I never mine in empire; it's a waste of time (to me). That said, lets talk null sec for a minute. I average 20m or so ratting but 35m - 50m mining out there - with negligible losses (I've lost 3 hulks, 4 industrial ships and a deep space transport in the last year). so if you want money, and your presumed to be high mining skill come to null sec and mine your days away. Otherwise, work on your gun/missile, weapons support, tanking, cap and fitting skills and go nutters on level 4 missions. Empire Hisec mining is pretty poor pay. good payouts on ore (more than 5m / jet can and assuming 1 jet can every 12-15 minutes) don't happen until you have access to gniess/ochre, crokite/bistot/arknor and merxoit. HTH, Elseer R and assorted voices P.S. I'm counting mission rewards as anything that results directly from executing kill mission objectives and selling or melting the results. I'm deliberately not counting other secondary gains like from taking your salvage and building rigs, trading high named/faction/officer stuff in good trading areas, r&D etc. I'm not counting that because it takes a whole different group of skills to succeed at that that are not combat oriented. If you include shrewd trading (with serious trade skills) and or R7D with solid R&D skills, then double or triple the high average. But also expect to train another 6 months to achieve those goals and payouts.
Ulstan Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.01 15:49:00 - [20] I have a T2 fit raven, 3 BCS, TII drones, no faction gear, no CNR. Excellent engineering skills, not so great dps skills. Every now and then I'll get a good mission that's worth about 20m in bounties and rewards that takes about an hour, but usually I get a series of crappier missions that take less time but much less rewards and work out to about 15m an hour. (All of this is not counting salvage or looting, since I'm doing Guristas now for some standings and they have crap loot and salvage) I dislike drone missions because you have to salvage and loot them for them to be worth anything, so I skip them when I can, except for the one mission that leaves a ton of BS wrecks in a nice pile.
cruelty1001	Posted - 2008.04.02 04:06:00 - [21] ^ Pretty much the same here except I have a CNR so its slightly higher (more like 20-25mil/hr), running gallente missions. If you can get your faction standing up to whatever your agent requires, then you can pretty much decline missions at will. Your corp/agent standing may drop very low, but only your highest (faction, corp, personal) standing counts. It takes a lot of storyline missions though, so doing lvl3 couriers is your best bet for raising faction standing. You get a storyline every 15-20 (cant remember exact number) completed missions and couriers go fast. They don't make good isk, but the standing pays off in the long run. Of course you could also get faction standing from grinding lvl4s, but that'll take quite some time.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.02 05:10:00 - [22] I found when I was running missions, that I was making about 25-35M/hr over two accounts (pair missioning). They're both pretty well spec'ed for their ships, and I plan to use a blockade runner to haul next time around (for efficient hauling), and a Hurricane to salvage. I could probably have pulled off 40+M/hr consistently if I tried these days. 0.0 ratting is alot easier on the brain, though, and nets me 15-20M/hr/account with no hassle. I might take up hauling for corp mining ops though, because it pays well. :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.02 05:47:00 - [23] Originally by: Azitek Looked at a few posts, and it looks like highsec mission runners usually get around 2-4 mil/hour. Is this everyone's experiance? I get around 5 mil/hour mining, and was wondering if highsec lvl 4 missions would pay any better? 2-4 mil/hour ? WTF ?!? MAYBE from L3 courier missions or somesuch. You get closer to 10 mil/hour just speed-running L3 kill missions in a Drake, and a properly set-up batleship might even rake you in 20+ mil/h in L4 kill missions. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:02:00 - [24] Originally by: Akita T You get closer to 10 mil/hour just speed-running L3 kill missions in a Drake, and a properly set-up batleship might even rake you in 20+ mil/h in L4 kill missions. It's certainly true that you can spam level 4's and make good ISK for it, but I usually have problems getting real missions. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:32:00 - [25] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: Azitek So after a year of solo highsec mining, I'm thinking about branching out into missions. Looked at a few posts, and it looks like highsec mission runners usually get around 2-4 mil/hour. Is this everyone's experiance? I get around 5 mil/hour mining, and was wondering if highsec lvl 4 missions would pay any better? Hi sec lev 4 missionrunner does approx 20 mil/h solo. If he is competent and reasonably fitted. It's pretty attention intencive tho usually so you can reliably control up to 2 accounts in missions, while in mining 5 - 6 accounts is not very big problem. Mining is great activity for iskmaking alt if your 'main' char is having fun somewhere or if you are semiafk (like watching TV). Missions are not very suitable for that. The 20 million mark is if you cherry pick the missions so you will do only the more rewarding, way easier for people running for Caldari as they are the only faction with mission hubs with multiple level 4 agents of good quality (and that is why Caldari have the laggiest mission systems in EVE). If you accept almost any mission it is more in the 15 million range. The Raven is the best all around mission ship, the Dominix has the second position, but the difference is noticeable (and there isn't a faction Dominix). For some mission other ship can perform better, but as a general rule those two are the best ships if you want to use only 1 mission ship. Excessive pimping of the ship, while allowing a way faster completion of the mission (an so more isk/hour) risk to attract predators (i.e. other players wanting to suicide gank you for the modules or the big killmail).
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:34:00 - [26] Originally by: Elseer Radak IF you're an ace fighter with awesome gunnery/missiles, weapons support, tanking, fitting and cap skills then all facets (LP rewards, Salvage, Loot, Bounties, Rewards - not counting data cores or research) of a lvl 4 mission usually total from 30m - 50m and hour or so. For us miners who are secondary mission runners, total payout (I find) is 15m - 25m / hour in lvl 4 missions. Maybe if you are speaking of running missions in 0.0 for pirate factions, where the LP are still worth a god sum, but 30-50 millions are a dream in empire (high or low sec).
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:36:00 - [27] Originally by: Venkul Mul Maybe if you are speaking of running missions in 0.0 for pirate factions, where the LP are still worth a god sum, but 30-50 millions are a dream in empire (high or low sec). LP are worthwhile because implants are worthwhile, end of. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Venkul Mul Vikramaditya DO JAJA Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:44:00 - [28] Originally by: cruelty1001 ^ Pretty much the same here except I have a CNR so its slightly higher (more like 20-25mil/hr), running gallente missions. If you can get your faction standing up to whatever your agent requires, then you can pretty much decline missions at will. Your corp/agent standing may drop very low, but only your highest (faction, corp, personal) standing counts. It takes a lot of storyline missions though, so doing lvl3 couriers is your best bet for raising faction standing. You get a storyline every 15-20 (cant remember exact number) completed missions and couriers go fast. They don't make good isk, but the standing pays off in the long run. Of course you could also get faction standing from grinding lvl4s, but that'll take quite some time. Much 2006 here. After Kali refusing more than 1 mission every 4 hour lovwer your faction standing too.
Venkul Mul	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:46:00 - [29] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Venkul Mul Maybe if you are speaking of running missions in 0.0 for pirate factions, where the LP are still worth a god sum, but 30-50 millions are a dream in empire (high or low sec). LP are worthwhile because implants are worthwhile, end of. -Liang Exactly, Pirate implants are worthwile, empire implats sell for very little above isk cost.
Liang Nuren	Posted - 2008.04.02 06:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Venkul Mul Exactly, Pirate implants are worthwile, empire implats sell for very little above isk cost. No, I was referring to Empire impants. It's the only reason to mission. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Carniflex	Posted - 2008.04.02 07:12:00 - [31] LP is still quite worth it. Dunno about other factions but in caldary (non combat store) I can get reliably approx 1200 isk/LP if I aim for reasonably fast sale or up to approx 1500 isk/LP if I'm willing to wait for a while for stuff to sell. That 20 mil/h ballpark figure was with LP figured in and accepting most missions that agent offers. It in reality varies greatly ofc depending on player skills and fitting so anything from 10...12 up to 25 ..30 mil/h is possible (with reasonable fittings, might be more if it's officer pimped ride). Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Feng Schui	Posted - 2008.04.02 08:19:00 - [32] 18-20 mill per hour, which goes up to around 50-57 mill per hour if you include LP in that. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Project:Gank Pilgrim Guide
Venkul Mul Vikramaditya DO JAJA Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.02 08:30:00 - [33] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Venkul Mul Exactly, Pirate implants are worthwile, empire implats sell for very little above isk cost. No, I was referring to Empire impants. It's the only reason to mission. -Liang You really buy empire implants from the LP store and sell them? Pray thell, what you get for your LP? 800 isk LP?
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:48:00 - [34] Well, there's SOME implants that still sell relatively well. Just don't focus on attribute implants, those are a big bust, even after the recent "comeback" they're still well below 1k ISK per LP. I have ceased running missions heavily for quite a while now, but the stuff I used to convert my LPs with is still easily worth over 1k/LP, even at standing buy order prices, let alone if I would bother putting up and babysitting sell orders. With a high enough DPS output, it's more profitable to just speed-run missions for bounties and mission ISK/LP rewards, and leave the salvage/looting to somebody else (if you actually get some percentage of it, the better... I tend to just "give it away" usually if there's a corpmember that would have it). 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Talio ZomB Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.02 10:53:00 - [35] bounty 0.6875 mil isk a minute on average over a few hour period lp about 0.9mil per 1k lp (rate depends on Quality of agent and sec status of agent base of operations) I get close to 7klp for a larger mish like WC, GE, these missions can take around 32-45 mins for me. All values above exclude looting (which can be done during the mish, I have 3 40km tractors for anything I wanna pick up during a mish) I would say 40mil bounty + 14klp an hour ex-loot
Venkul Mul Vikramaditya DO JAJA Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:28:00 - [36] Originally by: Talio ZomB bounty 0.6875 mil isk a minute on average over a few hour period lp about 0.9mil per 1k lp (rate depends on Quality of agent and sec status of agent base of operations) I get close to 7klp for a larger mish like WC, GE, these missions can take around 32-45 mins for me. All values above exclude looting (which can be done during the mish, I have 3 40km tractors for anything I wanna pick up during a mish) I would say 40mil bounty + 14klp an hour ex-loot Using a marauder (the 40 km tractor beam is a giveaway ) but really good results, my respect. I see WC and SE very rarely (and Serpentis loot has little value). Somethime I would like to know how the distribuition of missions is determined.
Elseer Radak Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:02:00 - [37] Originally by: Venkul Mul Waht are you speaking off? Officer stuff in missions? Faction stuff like it was a common occurrence and not an once every 50 missions if you are lucky? oops. did mean to write "officer" but I used to get some nice blood stuff every 10-15 missions in low sec. Originally by: Venkul Mul R&D giving a multiplier to isk earned? If you go all the way, getting all the skill to 5, with 6 level 4 agents you get 6-8 millions day from the best datacores, 10-12 if you run the mission (as some avent will require tons of jumps to reach them and aren't worth running missions for them). Sure thing. Don't sell the data cores -- invent with them. Fold that into your base cost and profit. Work the math weekly or monthly back and (if you like this play style) poof! you've got iskies. But that's presuming serious R&D, Trade and Mission skills. Just selling the data cores yields less iskies but is easier. However data core selling has taken a nose dive in recent months. Elseer R.
Tranka Verrane Public Venture Enterprises Safe And Fun Environment	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:02:00 - [38] Originally by: Elseer Radak Edited by: Elseer Radak on 01/04/2008 13:28:05 It really depends on your gun/missile, weapons support, tanking fitting, and cap skills. To go from "good enough" (a level 4 might take 2 - 6 hours to do solo) to "killer" (level 4's take 1 - 2 hours) will take most of a year of carefully training -- just like mining does. 2-6 hours!!! If a l4 ever takes you that long you should be doing l3. I have NEVER done missions that took me over 2 hours to run. You would get much better rewards from doing the next level down quickly if things are that slow. Most level 4s can be completed in less than 20 minutes. Even an extravaganza takes under an hour. When you get good travelling times take longer than killing things. Yes, that takes training, but don't go round telling everyone that l4 missions take at least an hour. Duo Of Death, for instance, takes less than 5 minutes. Ingame: Channels & Mailing lists>Channels>Join>PVE>OK
Carniflex	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:19:00 - [39] For a regular missionrunner longer missions take approx 1 h (solo, t2 fitted raven) or down to 40 min (solo, t2/cheap faction CNR). If your missions take you more than 1.5 hours to do (longest ones) then you would propably make better isk on lev 3 missions than doing the lev 4 ones. Really pimped ride or dual accounting can lower your longest missions completion time into 30 min area (extravaganzsas). Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Neddy Fox	Posted - 2008.04.02 14:26:00 - [40] Originally by: Carniflex Really pimped ride or dual accounting can lower your longest missions completion time into 30 min area (extravaganzsas). QFT. Doing missions with 2 cuts mission time below half the time. Mostly because the player not aggressed can get far closer. Where a solo mission would take me an hour, with a buddy it would be 20-25 mins. And more fun.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.02 18:27:00 - [41] Quote: No, I was referring to Empire impants. It's the only reason to mission. I assume you mean the slot 6-10 hardwires rather than the 1-5 attribute implants, as latter are terrible isk value for LP :p
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.02 21:11:00 - [42] Originally by: Ulstan I assume you mean the slot 6-10 hardwires rather than the 1-5 attribute implants, as latter are terrible isk value for LP :p Both. Have you seen the scalping prices I can score for them in 0.0? But, yeah, hardwirings. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Emroth Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.04.03 09:18:00 - [43] Originally by: Azitek So after a year of solo highsec mining, I'm thinking about branching out into missions. Looked at a few posts, and it looks like highsec mission runners usually get around 2-4 mil/hour. Is this everyone's experiance? I get around 5 mil/hour mining, and was wondering if highsec lvl 4 missions would pay any better? Currently doing level III missions in Aunia, 0.9 sec if i remember correctly. My missionship is a Dominix and i salvage / loot in a Destroyer and i earn 5+ millions per hour. I lack some skills yet to do level IV missions, but i succeed when i attempt them, usually. If they are too tough i just do level III missions.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.07 08:09:00 - [44] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 07/04/2008 08:09:21 Originally by: Carniflex LP is still quite worth it. Dunno about other factions but in caldary (non combat store) I can get reliably approx 1200 isk/LP if I aim for reasonably fast sale or up to approx 1500 isk/LP if I'm willing to wait for a while for stuff to sell. That 20 mil/h ballpark figure was with LP figured in and accepting most missions that agent offers. It in reality varies greatly ofc depending on player skills and fitting so anything from 10...12 up to 25 ..30 mil/h is possible (with reasonable fittings, might be more if it's officer pimped ride). The Minmatar Q18, lvl4 agent in 0.5 sec whos name is Vir Honn, gives out almost 9klp per mission, and if you make Republic mwd/web etc, thats 7000isk/lp+ profit. Make almost 100mil/hour in fast mission setups easaly.
Carniflex	Posted - 2008.04.07 10:42:00 - [45] Originally by: IamAcontractALT The Minmatar Q18, lvl4 agent in 0.5 sec whos name is Vir Honn, gives out almost 9klp per mission if oyu have trained up connection books for max lp, and if you make Republic mwd/web etc, thats 7000isk/lp+ profit. Make almost 100mil/hour in fast mission setups easaly. Did you take into account in your calculation cost of tags to accept that offer and isk that this agents asks for the item ? From the figure you present it seems that this is not the case. But yeah, if you are using good agent then it is indeed often more sensible to speedrun missions than wasting time looting as it will give you better isk/h than looting. If you can do them fast that is. Altho this Emolgranlan agent is next to low sec and thus might make you sit on those annoying 4h timers if you want to decline low sec ones without standings hits. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.04.07 14:58:00 - [46] I see a full discussion of normal mission running here,but does anyone have any comment on COSMOS missions? In particular, I'm interested in the low-sec or 0.0 COSMOS areas.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.08 08:01:00 - [47] Originally by: Carniflex Originally by: IamAcontractALT The Minmatar Q18, lvl4 agent in 0.5 sec whos name is Vir Honn, gives out almost 9klp per mission if oyu have trained up connection books for max lp, and if you make Republic mwd/web etc, thats 7000isk/lp+ profit. Make almost 100mil/hour in fast mission setups easaly. Did you take into account in your calculation cost of tags to accept that offer and isk that this agents asks for the item ? From the figure you present it seems that this is not the case. But yeah, if you are using good agent then it is indeed often more sensible to speedrun missions than wasting time looting as it will give you better isk/h than looting. If you can do them fast that is. Altho this Emolgranlan agent is next to low sec and thus might make you sit on those annoying 4h timers if you want to decline low sec ones without standings hits. Yes. Tags taken into account.
Carniflex	Posted - 2008.04.08 09:34:00 - [48] Originally by: IamAcontractALT [ Yes. Tags taken into account. Damn. I have been barking under wrong tree then (in caldaryland). That 7k / LP ratio beats even sister probe launchers and even 0.0 pirate agents then. Must be the best LP offer in game then with current market prices. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.08 09:48:00 - [49] And, since it's now "out in the open", it will last for maybe a couple of days, maybe a month 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
IamAcontractALT Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.08 09:53:00 - [50] Edited by: IamAcontractALT on 08/04/2008 09:53:06 Originally by: Akita T And, since it's now "out in the open", it will last for maybe a couple of days, maybe a month Either way, Vir Honn is the best agent in the game currently, giving more lp than even that cpf caldari agent, and more than the majority of low sec agents.
Chi Quan	Posted - 2008.04.08 10:30:00 - [51] what nonsense do ppl post here? there is NO CONSTANT 10Mil/hour missioning, maybe you do if you EXCLUDE the time it takes to loot and salvage and INCLUDE the income of it. (there are missions that get you above that, yes, but they don't come in succession) that calculation however is flawed. get a gang to run missions faster WITHOUT dividing the earnings by the number of participants and you get into the 10Mil range as well flawed calculation number 2 when ppl talk about proper skills and equip they refer to something around all skills Lv4, with all the relevant ones Lv5. that, paired with a navy raven with rigs and faction fit, is what ppl refer to as "proper equip" flawed argument number 3 depending on your skillset/assets you may run faster, but you also mine faster. a fully pimped Hulk has the potential to gain as much as a similar missioning ship. ALSO: don't forget Goons running around suiciding Hulks, and don't forget all ninja salvagers either. just to give you an estimation of how much ninja salvaging can reap if done passionately: someone in this business is thinking of buying complete Virtue Set. take this from someone who has run missions for 1.5 years and mined equally long. ---- "i-r-l33t3r-than-u 'cause ju is a n00b" is not a valid argument, it just shows you don't have any
Carniflex Fallout Research Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.08 11:18:00 - [52] Numbers presented are averages. And ofc when people talk about 'proper skills' they assume lev 4/5 in them. And yes, it takes indeed longer to properly skill for missionrunning that it takes for Hulk. One can get max yield in approx 6 months of training in Hulk while getting everything to lev 4 (and some critical ones to 5) for Raven takes approx 1 year. I have 'proper skills'. In regular (non navy) T2 fitted raven (not a single faction gadget) flying solo I do approx 20 mil/h on average accepting every mission (except low sec ones) without looting. That includes various craptastick stuff like 'massive attack' and drone missions (that are also crap if one does not loot). Would do around 35 .. 40 m/h without looting if I would be able to chain worlds collide over and over again. I have also experience in both mining and missionrunning altho I do not mine nowdays as when I need minerals I run lev 4 missions and will get 2x .. 3x more of them per hour from market than I would get mining in Hulk (I do have max mining yield skills with all the bells and whistles from veld up to mertoxcit). Only rarely I sit in my afk hulk sucking ice as it allows me to mine for approx 30 mins before I need to pay attention to my computer (not currently ofc as I do have active war at the moment ).
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:04:00 - [53] Originally by: Chi Quan there is NO CONSTANT 10Mil/hour missioning L3 missions, high-skills Drake, accept each and every mission given to you, complete the objective (whatever it is), turn in the mission, rinse and repeat. Yes, IGNORE all loot, ignore all salvage, don't even bother killing everything except the ones you need to finish your objective. Even from that you get on average close to 10 mil ISK/hour. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Chi Quan DEFCON. Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.08 13:29:00 - [54] Edited by: Chi Quan on 08/04/2008 13:29:26 been there, done that, not true (you gain standing fast though) ---- "i-r-l33t3r-than-u 'cause ju is a n00b" is not a valid argument, it just shows you don't have any
Pwett QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:15:00 - [55] I'v been tracking my results previously and with a two account setup, one killing, and one lagging behind salvaging - a mission like Vengeance takes me about an hour ten from mission accept to docking the salvager and the payouts was: 4:12 Agent 0.8 System Reward 2 mil isk, 5k lp Bounties: 12,000,000 isk Unsalable Loot (reprocessed and sold to best buy): 3 mil isk Salable: about 1 to 2 mil isk (but it takes time) Alloyed Trit (best buys): 13,050,000 Other Salvage: 1,500,000 isk So, not counting LP worth, 32.5 mil for that mission. My least profitable missions clock in at about 9 million isk an hour. Which would be something like an EOM mission where you just get bad luck on all the loot. But typically they have some decent named items that move quickly on the markets. _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Sir Ibex East-West Trading Company Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.08 16:39:00 - [56] Originally by: Neddy Fox I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... /rant off. No offense, but that is not a very smart thing to say. You simply don't know what you are talking about. STOP JUDGING PEOPLE. There are some folks who cannot afford to pay for this game with RL money, or simply don't want to, so they grind out the isk to pay for time cards every month. At that point, it really matters how much isk you MAKE per hour, and in a sense it becomes a JOB. Again, you might think it's not the way to go, you might start telling these people to get a job, but who are you to judge them? /end of rant
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:30:00 - [57] Originally by: Chi Quan Edited by: Chi Quan on 08/04/2008 13:29:26 been there, done that, not true (you gain standing fast though) Just shows you have no clue how to properly run missions tbh. You are quite right that there is no constant 10 mil/hour in missions. It is WAY more. If you have yourself a niche item that gives you 2000+ LP per isk, and a proper ship, and know what you are doing (i.e. not permatanking idiocy), you can actually easily make 20 mil/hour constant, with occasional spikes upward. And that is only salvaging bloods and looting rogue drone battleships, otherwise just breezing thru the missions. Well, at least I can. And I don't think I am some sort of superhuman... There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Leandro Salazar The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.08 17:51:00 - [58] Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 08/04/2008 17:52:07 Originally by: IamAcontractALT The Minmatar Q18, lvl4 agent in 0.5 sec whos name is Vir Honn, gives out almost 9klp per mission if oyu have trained up connection books for max lp, and if you make Republic mwd/web etc, thats 7000isk/lp+ profit. Make almost 100mil/hour in fast mission setups easaly. I don't know where you get your numbers, but when I do mine, I come up with 2308 isk/LP for 10mn Repfleet MWD if sold for 150 mil which seems to be reasonable looking at current contracts. 1MN and 100MN MWD actually lose you money, assuming people are not paying 10 times what the same spec domination item goes for. And there does not seem to be a repfleet web in the db??? So no, minmatar LP are not nearly as hot as you cook them. There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Scorpion There is no 'e' in Caldari There is no makeup in rogue drones
Trigos Trilobi X-Fire space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.04.09 01:38:00 - [59] Edited by: Trigos Trilobi on 09/04/2008 01:38:51 Originally by: Sir Ibex Originally by: Neddy Fox I am both mission runner, and miner. What amazes me 24/7 is all the PLAYERS asking how much ISK/HOUR they can make. IT IS A GAME ! Not a JOB !!! Sjeez. have fun, and do what you LIKE to do, not what you MUST do... /rant off. No offense, but that is not a very smart thing to say. You simply don't know what you are talking about. STOP JUDGING PEOPLE. There are some folks who cannot afford to pay for this game with RL money, or simply don't want to, so they grind out the isk to pay for time cards every month. At that point, it really matters how much isk you MAKE per hour, and in a sense it becomes a JOB. Again, you might think it's not the way to go, you might start telling these people to get a job, but who are you to judge them? /end of rant Another thing is that keeping note of the isk/hour or mission complete times is a nice way of seeing your character progress. After a bit of toying around with my first mission phoon, doing my first <60min blockade was a big thing. Last week I jumped into my mission clone and ship after few month break and now did the same mission in <40min, which was a nice way of seeing all those "insignificant" 5% skill bonuses adding up instead of just being numbers on your character sheet. And then there's of course the bunch of people who like to pvp and only do missions when they have to pay for new pvp toys. Isk/hour is suddenly very important factor if missioning is just a way to fund the fun part of the game. On topic, that example blockade mission would suggest something like 30m/h from bounties+reward + the lps which I've been just saving up since I'm too lazy to check what's worth spending them on :P Add 20-30min for salvage+loot worth maybe some ~20m total in average, since I run single account and do it in a destroyer afterwards, and you'll arrive at something like 40m/h. That's for one of the best missions for me though, so average would probably be closer to half of that in the long run.

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