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Dez Affinity
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
644
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
[1981] - Quote
Blink, if you want to auction off unique ships, buy them yourself and auction them you lazy cunts. |
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
838
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:25:00 -
[1982] - Quote
I would love to fly one of these in combat but I will not "gamble" for something that should be earned by WINNING TH ALLIANCE TOURNAMENT!!
Stupid idea. so many bad choices in the last few weeks...
"Also, your boobs " -á CCP Eterne, 2012
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Malcolm Rennolds
Inquisition FiS Division Surely You're Joking
11
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:28:00 -
[1983] - Quote
I'm turning off renewal on my accounts, if I have the isk to play eve I'll keep playing. But this lottery of limited edition ships, in conjunction with other recent changes removes what makes eve unique to me.
My primary issue is the re-releasing of limited edition ships. This utterly destroys all the blather by announcers during Alliance Tournaments and reduces the coolness of seeing limited edition ship killmails. Before this idiotic lottery seeing a limited edition ship destroyed meant that you had watched something that was NEVER coming back turn into pixel-dust. Now it just means people have to wait till CCP decides to t20 the ship. Saying this is a one-time event doesn't cut it here, this is a bright line. Either limited edition ships are limited edition or they're not. If they're not than eve is one large step closer to being space WoW.
The secondary issue is that this is CCP selecting a fansite. It's one thing to give people free subscriptions for running cool fan sites or highlighting interesting things the community is doing. It's another to hand them ships worth hundreds of billions of isk, ships that should never exist again (Gold Magnate) and knife eve in the gut while doing so. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:33:00 -
[1984] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote:Hey, guys. It looks like there are quite a few people with... strong opinions on the prizes sponsored by CCP. Since Navigator was kind enough to try to explain things on CCP's end, I thought I'd give a few basic answers to explain (and in a few areas, reiterate) where we at Blink stand on the issue. 1. My favourite fansite didn't get anything to give away. Why you, and not them?This is a hot point of contention, and I can understand why. Favoritism is not something anyone wants in Eve, and I'm absolutely certain that CCP Navigator is aware of the company's policy in that area. "Why Blink?" is certainly a valid question, and to be honest, I can only speculate. I would like to believe that it is because we have dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present. It may be because we reach a certain critical mass of players that is optimal for CCP to test third party event partnership. There's likely other criteria that I can't begin to guess. What is important to remember is that CCP has not stated that this is a one-off with Blink. As far as I am aware, if they are pleased with the outcome of this event, then there is the opportunity that CCP will conduct more of these events with other organizations. Other sites such as Eve Bet and EOM, or independents like Chribba or Darknesss, would certainly deserve it. However, I don't work for CCP, so this is all speculation on my part. 2. Blink is a scam! How do we know they're not going to take all of the prizes?Somer Blink has been operating in its current iteration since October 2010, and in that time, we've dealt with thousands of players, participated in a ton of draws, and we've seen over one quadrillion (that's sixteen zeros) isk pass through our business. Before that, Somerset Mahm was well known as a respected community member and forum lottery administrator. We handle a large amount of limited issue ships and modules, many of which are unique or tournament prizes, as a matter of course. Stealing two limited issue ships, as shiny as they might be, would provide nothing of value to us. They would never be able to be used or sold, and even if there weren't repercussions from CCP, there would be (understandably) from a customer base which relies upon our honesty and transparency. Any theft or dishonesty, no matter how small, would undermine our business model; it would be like breaking down an isk-printing machine to sell as scrap metal. However, this is Eve, and if there's one thing the past has taught us, it's that capsuleers can be devious. Because of the nature of the game, we have always had the policy that we do not coerce anyone into playing. If you believe CCP is in error with respect to trusting us with this draw, or that we have dishonest intentions, or even if you just don't like us, we encourage you not to play. And as always, as with everything in Eve, do not Blink what you cannot afford to lose. 3. Blink makes money off of this! How can CCP give more to the rich people and not help the little guy?As I mentioned above, we are a business. We do our best in our niche to accomodate our customers, and we do make a profit on most Blinks. A good deal of these profits go toward paying our employees - all of whom are responsible for the delivery of every single prize - and a significant amount goes towards promo Blinks, which are items we give away for odd tokens that have no real value. After that, a good deal of profits go towards sponsorships - Red versus Blue, the Syndicate Competitive League, and many live events, just to name a few. We generally don't go up and down the aisles telling people how many hundreds of billions of isk we've donated to other organizations that work to generate content in Eve, mainly because advertising is a nice side benefit to helping hardworking people achieve success. Also, because it would make us look rather conceited. Regardless, whether you think we're good or bad, we can offer only one solution if you're unsatisfied with us - don't play. This is the old "vote with your wallet" bit offered to customers time immemorial. If you're a person who can't stand the though of us making a profit on a blink, consider your gilded invitation sent. In closing, I understand that not everyone will be happy with this event, regardless of the outcome. If there is a way we can improve on our service, please mail myself, Andrev Nox, Somerset Mahm, or Sylvie Blinkhelper, and we'll do our best to address concerns. If you're concerned with the way CCP is planning events, please contact their support staff; I'm sure they would love to hear feedback on this test. To the people who do decide to play; best of luck.
You have such a ridiculous conflict of interest that you should not be talking. |
Frood Frooster
EVE University Ivy League
15
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:42:00 -
[1985] - Quote
Bad idea. Bad CCP. Next time think more please before doing so or contact the CSM which exists for exactly that reason.
:CCP: |
Lykouleon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1075
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:43:00 -
[1986] - Quote
I have nothing bad to say about Somer Blink. However, this is ****ing terrible precedent for CCP, regardless of claims that favoratism is out the door. Either do the lotto through a CCP-devised scheme or don't do it at all. Lykouleon > CYNO ME CLOSER so I can hit them with my sword |
Niraia
Nocturnal Romance
159
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:48:00 -
[1987] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote:...I thought I'd give a few basic answers to explain (and in a few areas, reiterate) where we at Blink stand on the issue.
1. My favourite fansite didn't get anything to give away. Why you, and not them?
This is a hot point of contention, and I can understand why. Favoritism is not something anyone wants in Eve, and I'm absolutely certain that CCP Navigator is aware of the company's policy in that area. "Why Blink?" is certainly a valid question, and to be honest, I can only speculate. I would like to believe that it is because we have dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present. It may be because we reach a certain critical mass of players that is optimal for CCP to test third party event partnership. There's likely other criteria that I can't begin to guess.
What is important to remember is that CCP has not stated that this is a one-off with Blink. As far as I am aware, if they are pleased with the outcome of this event, then there is the opportunity that CCP will conduct more of these events with other organizations. Other sites such as Eve Bet and EOM, or independents like Chribba or Darknesss, would certainly deserve it. However, I don't work for CCP, so this is all speculation on my part.
Do you think that other services haven't "dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present"? Those services and independents might be inclined to take offense.
I don't think that you should be attempting to answer this question. It will only be perceived as damage control, or at worst, smugness.
CCP should answer. Niraia EVE Online Hold'Em |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9541
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:55:00 -
[1988] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote:If there is a way we can improve on our service, please mail myself, Andrev Nox, Somerset Mahm, or Sylvie Blinkhelper, and we'll do our best to address concerns. If you're concerned with the way CCP is planning events, please contact their support staff; I'm sure they would love to hear feedback on this test. To the people who do decide to play; best of luck. Please talk to CCP tell them that you do not want Gold Magnates or GV's as handing out such ships will ruin the history/lore/legacy surrounding them, and instead ask for a ship with a new hull/texture that would more suit creating a new line of history when being used through you.
/c
PS. Wanted to make a deeper comment on the 'quadrillion' statement but feel I shouldn't as it will lead nowhere and we both know that numbers can be presented in the way to make it look better than they are
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Darth Khasei
Wavestar Business Ventures Inc.
123
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Posted - 2013.09.26 18:57:00 -
[1989] - Quote
Respect.
CCP this idea is not good on many levels.
Please re-think this and come up with new different ships so you don't completely destroy the market for those rare one off ships.
Please don't keep doing stupid things. Stupid things generally center around not consulting the players on special things like this first. |
BLerchg
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
2
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:06:00 -
[1990] - Quote
Andrev Nox wrote:Poetic Stanziel wrote:Pull Chribba Dice support in protest.
Do you feel any hypocrisy posting that 32 minutes after you claimed your free gift on our site? Just curious if you'd prefer to withdraw your use of our gifts in protest :)
this is soo wrong. some douchebag having access to our account informations on a 3rd-party site using it to argue on the official forums and using it to influence a discussion. so wrong. |
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Gospadin
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
48
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:14:00 -
[1991] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote: Q4, So you said earlier that SOMER Blink are trusted. Does that mean CCP is promising they will always deliver?
A4, Not at all. What I am saying is that to date they have been 100% trustful and we expect that will continue. Can I promise that Somerset Mahm will not shut up shop some day and go live in Polaris with piles of ISK? Nope, a scam can happen at any time and if that does, we will react accordingly and review how we support others in future.
CCP Navigator, by posting this CCP (With you as their official rep) is endorsing a player corporation, something your own EULA says you won't do.
What's the deal? |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:20:00 -
[1992] - Quote
Gospadin wrote:CCP Navigator wrote: Q4, So you said earlier that SOMER Blink are trusted. Does that mean CCP is promising they will always deliver?
A4, Not at all. What I am saying is that to date they have been 100% trustful and we expect that will continue. Can I promise that Somerset Mahm will not shut up shop some day and go live in Polaris with piles of ISK? Nope, a scam can happen at any time and if that does, we will react accordingly and review how we support others in future.
CCP Navigator, by posting this CCP (With you as their official rep) is endorsing a player corporation, something your own EULA says you won't do. What's the deal? CCP CCP'in. |
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CCP Eterne
C C P C C P Alliance
2830
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:28:00 -
[1993] - Quote
We have a new comment on this from CCP Navigator. You can read it here. EVE Online/DUST 514 Community Representative GÇ+ EVE Illuminati GÇ+ Fiction Adept
@CCP_Eterne GÇ+ @EVE_LiveEvents |
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Kirren D'marr
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:30:00 -
[1994] - Quote
Trebor Daehdoow wrote:The CSM was not consulted about this lottery, and if we had been, we would have had concerns similar to those raised by many in this thread.
We hope to arrange a meeting with the relevant CCP staff members to discuss the matter in the near future, and will keep the community as informed as possible.
CCP, with this one announcement you have validated the fears of every player who has believed the CSM to be pointless and powerless. The CSM was established in order to create transparency and restore player trust in CCP after previous scandals involving CCP employees showing favoritism to players and in-game entities.
By proceeding with a decision with such obvious potential for a similar scandal and accusations of blatant favoritism without even consulting the CSM, you have essentially created T20 ver 2.0. Frankly, the only chance you have to restore credibility at this point is to immediately reverse this decision and claim it as a lapse in judgement.
However, I fear that even doing this would be insufficient, as the damage is likely already done. CCP has again shown clear favoritism to a single third pary site and in-game entity, and the one regulation on CCP's integrity, the CSM, has been bypassed entirely, destroying player trust in the effectiveness of this organization and the transparency of CCP-player interactions.
The only difference between this event and previous scandals is that this time, instead of resulting from the actions of rogue CCP employees, this favoritism is officially and publicly endorsed by the company. This makes the situation even worse than any before it, as the favoritism now has a stamp of approval, indicating that it is now standard procedure and official policy for CCP to favor some players/organizations over others.
Good luck restoring trust after this one! Why a switch on/off? Because the new animation doesn't add anything to gameplay and it's graphically annoying. In other words, it's worse than bad: it's useless. Simple as that.-á-á-á-á-á - Kina Ayami |
Seismic Stan
414
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:35:00 -
[1995] - Quote
I sincerely hope that a CCP representative will address this issue in the near future and show something approaching an understanding that has thus far been apparently lacking.
I'm concerned that the processes that led to making this decision are indicative of a regression to the kind of CCP culture that has caused problems in the past.
Sidestepping the CSM, trampling player and game history then a CCP spokesman (in this case CCP Navigator) releasing a wobbly statement claiming that everything is working as intended all seems hauntingly familiar.
I'm aware that there has been a bit of a shake-up with senior personnel of late, meaning new executives, new ideas and so forth, but I suspect some of them may need some orientation before they make any more decisions that indicate they do not understand their customers or their product.
I'm worried that the CCP brain has become detached from the body.
Again. EVE Online: The Text Adventure --áGameSkinny Columnist - Freebooted --áTech 4 News |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
367
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:39:00 -
[1996] - Quote
CCP Eterne wrote:We have a new comment on this from CCP Navigator. You can read it here.
the changes dont go far enough, no profit making 3rd party should be able to generate more income from gifts given by CCP. In a nut shell, CCP are still giving SOMER Blink ISK, thats way out of line imo. |
GrammarNazi
SOMER Blink Cognitive Development
30
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:39:00 -
[1997] - Quote
Abernie wrote:There is literally zero way for us to know whether and/or how much of somerblink is a scam or not. No amount of "We wouldn't do that. Why would we. Just trust us." is going to change that. And not many people are assuming you will just go "lol we're not giving away these ships and will keep them in our hangars". Just completely/heavily rigging the lottery on the other hand...
And as I said, if you think we would do this, don't play. Simple as that.
Xaen wrote: You have such a ridiculous conflict of interest that you should not be talking.
Just trying to clarify a few things that people were angry about..
Niraia wrote:Do you think that other services haven't "dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present"? Those services and independents might be inclined to take offense.
I think this is a case of putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say, or imply, that other parties do not deal fairly with CCP or their customers. If I did give this impression, then I apologize to whomever took offense.
Chribba wrote:Please talk to CCP tell them that you do not want Gold Magnates or GV's as handing out such ships will ruin the history/lore/legacy surrounding them, and instead ask for a ship with a new hull/texture that would more suit creating a new line of history when being used through you.
At the time you posted this, CCP Navigator was speaking to Somer and discussing that the prizes might change. Since nothing was final, and since I certainly do not control CCP Navigator, I could not comment on that at the time.
Hope that clears a few things up. Thanks to Navigator for the clarification. |
Steijn
Quay Industries CAStabouts
367
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:43:00 -
[1998] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote:Abernie wrote:There is literally zero way for us to know whether and/or how much of somerblink is a scam or not. No amount of "We wouldn't do that. Why would we. Just trust us." is going to change that. And not many people are assuming you will just go "lol we're not giving away these ships and will keep them in our hangars". Just completely/heavily rigging the lottery on the other hand... And as I said, if you think we would do this, don't play. Simple as that. Xaen wrote: You have such a ridiculous conflict of interest that you should not be talking.
Just trying to clarify a few things that people were angry about.. Niraia wrote:Do you think that other services haven't "dealt as openly and honestly with both CCP and our customers as possible in the past and present"? Those services and independents might be inclined to take offense. I think this is a case of putting words in my mouth. Nowhere did I say, or imply, that other parties do not deal fairly with CCP or their customers. If I did give this impression, then I apologize to whomever took offense. Chribba wrote:Please talk to CCP tell them that you do not want Gold Magnates or GV's as handing out such ships will ruin the history/lore/legacy surrounding them, and instead ask for a ship with a new hull/texture that would more suit creating a new line of history when being used through you. At the time you posted this, CCP Navigator was speaking to Somer and discussing that the prizes might change. Since nothing was final, and since I certainly do not control CCP Navigator, I could not comment on that at the time. Hope that clears a few things up. Thanks to Navigator for the clarification.
which part of 'CCP should NOT give any 3rd party FREE ISK' do you not understand? |
Abernie
Massively Incompetent
41
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:45:00 -
[1999] - Quote
GrammarNazi wrote:Abernie wrote:There is literally zero way for us to know whether and/or how much of somerblink is a scam or not. No amount of "We wouldn't do that. Why would we. Just trust us." is going to change that. And not many people are assuming you will just go "lol we're not giving away these ships and will keep them in our hangars". Just completely/heavily rigging the lottery on the other hand... And as I said, if you think we would do this, don't play. Simple as that. I don't give a rats ass if I win or not. What I care about is the fact that CCP is giving you unique ships that you can give to who ever you want to and directing players to your site to give you ISK. Just stop.
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Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858 Heroes and Villains.
491
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Posted - 2013.09.26 19:53:00 -
[2000] - Quote
Confirming my Somer Blink account got banned when i never bothered to read the rules of a 3rd party website not affiliated with CCP and tried to promo blink with 2 accounts not knowing this was not permitted
I pay my subscription to CCP just like everybody else - Why am I therefore being marginalised and excluded from being able to participate in this "community event" facilitated by CCP ?
The underlying principles here are exactly the same as why CCP Falcon decided to withdraw from several player run channels recently to create their own, given that player moderation was potentially preventing all players from having free and unilateral access to CCP related content.
My Somer Account is blocked - I pay my eve subscription, yet I cannot take part in this event despite me abiding by the terms and conditions as layed out by the EULA..
Unless everybody has access to participate in this lottery, then by its own actions, choices and decisions CCP are marginalising and excluding members of their own community since clearly there will be players who cannot take part in this even if they wanted to.
Utterly dreadful decision making, clear favouritism, and by default, not fair to the "whole" community.
10/10. Concord Approved Trader |
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Bob FromMarketing
Redirection Suddenly Spaceships.
48
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:01:00 -
[2001] - Quote
I despise that I have to open a third party website to have a shot of winning a frigate before being tempted to sell it back to SOMER as part of SOMER's overinflation of the rare-hull market, something which very often benifits them and only them.
Why are we not able to participate as PAYING SUBSCRIBERS, without having to take part in any third party lottery. |
Xaen
Aperture Harmonics K162
5
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:07:00 -
[2002] - Quote
Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Confirming my Somer Blink account got banned when i never bothered to read the rules of a 3rd party website not affiliated with CCP and tried to promo blink with 2 accounts not knowing this was not permitted I pay my subscription to CCP just like everybody else - Why am I therefore being marginalised and excluded from being able to participate in this "community event" facilitated by CCP ? The underlying principles here are exactly the same as why CCP Falcon decided to withdraw from several player run channels recently to create their own, given that player moderation was potentially preventing all players from having free and unilateral access to CCP related content. My Somer Account is blocked - I pay my eve subscription, yet I cannot take part in this event despite me abiding by the terms and conditions as layed out by the EULA.. Unless everybody has access to participate in this lottery, then by its own actions, choices and decisions CCP are marginalising and excluding members of their own community since clearly there will be players who cannot take part in this even if they wanted to. Utterly dreadful decision making, clear favouritism, and by default, not fair to the " whole" community. 10/10.
I am also excluded because I am not and never have been a SomerSuckerGäó. |
Kira Corlum
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:09:00 -
[2003] - Quote
also how is it that you are allowing someone to profit so much from this? it isn't that every account get a "ticket" it is more you play and win the more chances you have to win......
not so balanced..... |
Bob FromMarketing
Redirection Suddenly Spaceships.
49
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:11:00 -
[2004] - Quote
RABBLE |
Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.09.26 20:46:00 -
[2005] - Quote
Dear Somer Blink, earlier today I deposited 16 billion isk to play Blinks to get a shot a Gold Magnate - a truly unique ship with actual Legendary status - but now I have been informed that the prize has been withdrawn from the competition. I feel the new prizes, which have no history attached to them at all, are not an adequate replacement of the Gold Magnate. Can I get a refund on the 16 billion isk? I'll of course return all the accidental winnings I had while playing the Blinks for the competition points. Repent what's past; avoid what is to come.
MinerBumping.com |
Cursan Voran
Jita Traders Society
40
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:10:00 -
[2006] - Quote
Nanatoa wrote:Dear Somer Blink, earlier today I deposited 16 billion isk to play Blinks to get a shot a Gold Magnate - a truly unique ship with actual Legendary status - but now I have been informed that the prize has been withdrawn from the competition. I feel the new prizes, which have no history attached to them at all, are not an adequate replacement of the Gold Magnate. Can I get a refund on the 16 billion isk? I'll of course return all the accidental winnings I had while playing the Blinks for the competition points.
As this was a CCP endorsed event you should petition in game also.
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Nanatoa
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
279
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:15:00 -
[2007] - Quote
Cursan Voran wrote:Nanatoa wrote:Dear Somer Blink, earlier today I deposited 16 billion isk to play Blinks to get a shot a Gold Magnate - a truly unique ship with actual Legendary status - but now I have been informed that the prize has been withdrawn from the competition. I feel the new prizes, which have no history attached to them at all, are not an adequate replacement of the Gold Magnate. Can I get a refund on the 16 billion isk? I'll of course return all the accidental winnings I had while playing the Blinks for the competition points. As this was a CCP endorsed event you should petition in game also.
You think so? I posted in the CCP Navigator thread but someone directed me to Somer Blink. I guess GMs would be able to reverse all transactions that were made, but I think that would be a lot more work for them than me just working things amicably out with Somer Blink. Repent what's past; avoid what is to come.
MinerBumping.com |
RAW23
236
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Posted - 2013.09.26 21:18:00 -
[2008] - Quote
CCP Navigator wrote: Q4, So you said earlier that SOMER Blink are trusted. Does that mean CCP is promising they will always deliver?
A4, Not at all. What I am saying is that to date they have been 100% trustful and we expect that will continue.
This is one of the most appalling things I have ever heard from a CCP representative. Trust is a marketable commodity in EVE and you are saying, in CCP's name, that this group has been trustworthy to date. Not only can you not possibly know that this is true but you are also giving them a unique 'CCP Audited' title when the reliability of in-game audits is something that is always open to question. Even if you could be certain that they have been 100% trustworthy up to this point you damn well shouldn't say so! Assessment of trustworthiness is a key in-game issue and CCP should have absolutely no part of it. There are two types of EVE player:
those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not. |
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere HYDRA RELOADED
651
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:04:00 -
[2009] - Quote
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3055244#post3055244
Quote:Hehe, how fitting that I should read this after posting about favouritism in a different thread. My personal take on it is this (note, this is not something we have discussed within the team): Events should be their own reward, but there are certain events that render a large impact on people and for these I do think there should be some kind of memento. An Imperial Apoc is NOT a mememto Lol
Seriously, we won't be bringing back the old unique ships for events. We might give other stuff away that is interesting, but no Guardian Vexor, Opux Luxury Yacht, Fedthron, Impoc, SIR, etc, etc. |
PotatoOverdose
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
244
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Posted - 2013.09.27 00:33:00 -
[2010] - Quote
Ah blatant favoritism, the hallmark of a good sandbox mmo. Isn't that right T20? |
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