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![Extravagant Extravagant](/images/people/img9.png)
Extravagant
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Posted - 2004.04.17 08:34:00 -
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Edited by: Extravagant on 17/04/2004 08:49:14 Greetings,
Lately I have been following the FA-soap as a neutral observer, I was even in Fountain on that particular saturday, and with great amusement I've been following the forum war surrounding it. I have made a few observations regarding rev0luti0n which I feel need to be highlighted.
Let's start with their constant accusations towards Xanadu. They claim Xanadu hired a mercenary corporation to attack HeartVenom Inc. in empire space. So far they have given us no proof apart from "I have spoken to their CEO and he told me that...". Secondly, they call Xanadu pirates, yet they encourage pirate corps such as SIM to ally with them to fight the Fountain Alliance. Weird logic innit? Thirdly, they claim Xanadu has been paying EVOL to help them out. But yet again, we are given no proof! And by far the most amusing accusation, calling Xanadu backhanded for making a nap with CA, while at the same time asking CA to fight FA.
I cannot help but laugh at these mindless accusations not backed up with some form of proof. Where are the Teamspeak logs or the screenshots or whatever! Rev0luti0n, you are simply trying to stirr the situation and allying with every scumbag you can find in the hopes you will defeat FA.
Come up with proof or stop accusing FA of doing anything.
Note: this rant does not represent the opinion of Celestial Apocalypse.
EDIT: I am sure that rev0luti0n has many fine people, but unfortunatly your people represent your corp and one of them just happens to be Anue Angellus. He was my main reason for posting this as he is one of the most annoying figures on the boards at this moment.
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![Nephilim Xeno Nephilim Xeno](/images/people/img8.png)
Nephilim Xeno
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Posted - 2004.04.17 09:23:00 -
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"neutral observer", eh ?
somehow i cannot believe that lol this posting here already removes your "neutrality"
at least we have enough proof now to say that you have no clue about what was/is really going on
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And by far the most amusing accusation, calling Xanadu backhanded for making a nap with CA, while at the same time asking CA to fight FA
Well fact is that on the old FA every pease proposal with CA was disrupted by Xanandu and BIG. They also had a lot of their "CA = evil pirates" propaganda all over the internal FA forums.
So they kick people out of fountain that were against fighting CA. And then suddently they make a NAP with CA ?
and you think there is nothing wrong here ? lol
so pls stay an OBSERVER and stop to post one sided stuff if you have no damn clue anyway
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![Kakalot Kakalot](/images/people/img5.png)
Kakalot
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Posted - 2004.04.17 09:55:00 -
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Edited by: Kakalot on 17/04/2004 09:57:22 Dear Extravagant You have made quite alot of assumption in your post. At least your thread's topic suggests so, but thanks for the edit tho.
I understand that this is your personal opinion on this matter. Therefore I wont build my view on your corp as a whole, which many ppl have failed to do (even if you dont have the disclaimer at the first place).
Democracy has its price, as for freedom of speech. The argument of "your people represent your corp" is false because not every corporation has the same principle of operating. Personally I think it's wrong to forbid a member from posting, he/she pays for the game just like everyone does. At least, he posts with his main.
Finally, if you find his post intolerable, pls skip it. I remember there was a time when ppl find Jade's posting were annoying. Same thing here. You just need to move on.
*Edit spelling.
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![Shirei Shirei](/images/people/img11.png)
Shirei
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Posted - 2004.04.17 10:00:00 -
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The HVI/Xan story was also a bit strange.
As far as I can remember, HVI complained that they were being attacked by the merc corp 'DeadWeight' (or a similar name, can't remember it exactly) a while before the coup. Their CEO said he had talked to someone from that corp, who had told him that another FA corp 'high up' had hired them. At the coup meeting, Xan then accused HVI of hiring that same merc corp to kill Xan and provided a log of a conversation between HVI's CEO and some people from that corp. However, the date on that log was (I think) later than the time when HVI was apparently already under attack by them and parts of the log implied that the merc corp was attacking HVI at the time, so it would seem kinda strange for someone to hire the people who are attacking you to do something. I think HVI discounted the log as their CEO asking in jest how much it would cost to have that merc corp attack whoever hired them instead or something like that.
Make of that what you will, you or anyone else for that matter are free to choose which side to believe.
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![jigga jigga](/images/people/img8.png)
jigga
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Posted - 2004.04.17 10:13:00 -
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Quote: The HVI/Xan story was also a bit strange.
As far as I can remember, HVI complained that they were being attacked by the merc corp 'DeadWeight' (or a similar name, can't remember it exactly) a while before the coup. Their CEO said he had talked to someone from that corp, who had told him that another FA corp 'high up' had hired them. At the coup meeting, Xan then accused HVI of hiring that same merc corp to kill Xan and provided a log of a conversation between HVI's CEO and some people from that corp. However, the date on that log was (I think) later than the time when HVI was apparently already under attack by them and parts of the log implied that the merc corp was attacking HVI at the time, so it would seem kinda strange for someone to hire the people who are attacking you to do something. I think HVI discounted the log as their CEO asking in jest how much it would cost to have that merc corp attack whoever hired them instead or something like that.
Make of that what you will, you or anyone else for that matter are free to choose which side to believe.
Just some clarifications. We have never accused HVI of hiring DeadWeight to attack us nor have we been attacked by said corporation. We have never contracted this corporation to attack HVI and HVI has failed to provide any proof to back up their accusation other than because they say so. HVI and co. has accused Xanadu of many things, just look at any of the FA threads, and each time they failed to back up their accusations. It's just a smear campaign against Xanadu, plain and simple.
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![Shirei Shirei](/images/people/img5.png)
Shirei
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Posted - 2004.04.17 10:30:00 -
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Edited by: Shirei on 17/04/2004 10:31:32 Ok, Xan accused HVI to have hired (or tried to hire) that corp to 'attack FA as a whole' and not Xan specifically, if that is more correct. ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
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![Masquerade Masquerade](/images/people/img9.png)
Masquerade
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Posted - 2004.04.17 11:17:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Shirei on 17/04/2004 10:31:32 Ok, Xan accused HVI to have hired (or tried to hire) that corp to 'attack FA as a whole' and not Xan specifically, if that is more correct. ![Smile](/images/icon_smile.gif)
HVI hired a merc. to attack FA and i think the NFA has the logs to back it up.
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![darth solo darth solo](/images/people/img12.png)
darth solo
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Posted - 2004.04.17 11:29:00 -
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I understand that this is your personal opinion on this matter. Therefore I wont build my view on your corp as a whole, which many ppl have failed to do (even if you dont have the disclaimer at the first place).
Democracy has its price, as for freedom of speech. The argument of "your people represent your corp" is false because not every corporation has the same principle of operating. Personally I think it's wrong to forbid a member from posting, he/she pays for the game just like everyone does. At least, he posts with his main.
*Edit spelling.
Thank you for that mature post. It was very well put.
We welcome our members expressing their own views, as for the conflict in question, celes are neutral.. and wish the parties involved mucho PVP fun:). Or a swift resolve, whichever is wanted more.
Celes are a corp of individuals, each with different outlooks on EVE, each equel in our corp.
d solo.
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![Joshua Calvert Joshua Calvert](/images/people/img7.png)
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.17 13:34:00 -
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I've been in FA for a week or so now and there's been no sign of trouble.
The remaining FA corporations have been very professional during the troubled times and there's been hardly any interruption to our NPc hunting.
Even though it's a bit wierd to see 12-13 m0o in system and not feel threatened.....![Shocked](/images/icon_eek.gif)
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![Reverend Necrona Reverend Necrona](/images/people/img7.png)
Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:28:00 -
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Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 17/04/2004 14:30:08 And so it begins, the last outpost shall be constructed, the remenant forces of the empires of the light ( NVA, SA and FA )will all come together and make a last stand against the on comming tide of darkness.
This post just clarified that oh and to the neutral observer please be aware this post is by no means neutral.
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![Alkad Mzu Alkad Mzu](/images/people/img3.png)
Alkad Mzu
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:44:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Reverend Necrona on 17/04/2004 14:30:08 And so it begins, the last outpost shall be constructed, the remenant forces of the empires of the light ( NVA, SA and FA )will all come together and make a last stand against the on comming tide of darkness.
Very creative necro, however i'm afraid we're gonna have to disapoint you. I guess "the remnant forces of the empires of the light" will have to find another place to "make a last stand against the oncoming tide of darkness". We just wanna mine the place out and be left to enjoy our quafe ultra in the local pub.
Another time perhaps.
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![Reverend Necrona Reverend Necrona](/images/people/img15.png)
Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:53:00 -
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Cheers. Reverend Necrona |
![Cpt Pugwash Cpt Pugwash](/images/people/img7.png)
Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.04.17 14:57:00 -
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Whilst Hunting Xanadu with Aneu in Fountain we came accross Extravagant, wanting to know if we faced an enemy a friend or a nuetral I popped the question.
[ 2004.04.11 15:57:16 ] Cpt Pugwash > What is celests stance on the FA civil war? [ 2004.04.11 15:57:37 ] Extravagant > pro-Xanadu from what I can gather. [ 2004.04.11 15:57:47 ] Cpt Pugwash > thanks [ 2004.04.11 15:57:48 ] Aneu Angellus > damn [ 2004.04.11 15:57:58 ] Cpt Pugwash > least we know now [ 2004.04.11 16:00:55 ] Extravagant > Shadow wasnt to pleased with you shooting Xanadu.
I told you a little later that we did not wish to fight Celest only Xanadu. Which you twisted to mean we were at war with Celest.
Rather than firing we contacted Celest for clarification and were told they were nuetral.
Extravagant. I don't know why you are anti Revolution I don't care, I do care you brought us to the brink of an unwanted conflict and I do care when you make blatant false statements claimig you are a nuetral observer.
If you wish to fight us then update your clone and join Xanadu, or atleast have the decency to admit you were anti Revol long before you ever saw Revolution post on these forums
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![Intukaki Intukaki](/images/people/img14.png)
Intukaki
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Posted - 2004.04.17 15:06:00 -
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Aneu did you enjoy your trip to empire to get a replacement ship?
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![Cpt Pugwash Cpt Pugwash](/images/people/img2.png)
Cpt Pugwash
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Posted - 2004.04.17 15:19:00 -
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Quote: Aneu did you enjoy your trip to empire to get a replacement ship?
WTF Aneu? you lost a ship? you must be a nublar ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Or was the overcoming of your skills such an achivement that these NFA 'boys' just can't help shouting about it every chance they get? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
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![Shamad Conde Shamad Conde](/images/people/img6.png)
Shamad Conde
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Posted - 2004.04.17 16:08:00 -
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Quote: Aneu did you enjoy your trip to empire to get a replacement ship?
WTF Aneu? you lost a ship? you must be a nublar ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
Or was the overcoming of your skills such an achivement that these NFA 'boys' just can't help shouting about it every chance they get? ![Laughing](/images/icon_lol.gif)
The only thing I have seen him skilled at is the speed he can post rubbish on the forum. Some r3v0lut10n guys at least had enough sense to be less vocal about their "achievements".
Going back to the topic. There is nothing wrong with being a neutral observant at the beginning of some event and changing one's position due to actions done by either of the party involved in the event.
No reason for r3v0lut10n to grieve over CELES's stance, surely the rebels have tons of allies coming to help them as it was announced numerous times.
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![Bogenhagen Bogenhagen](/images/people/img1.png)
Bogenhagen
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Posted - 2004.04.17 16:35:00 -
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We all know what Revol spreads...yeah I hate the stink too ![Mad](/images/icon_mad.gif)
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![Smacktastic Smacktastic](/images/people/img6.png)
Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.17 17:42:00 -
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Celestrial Apocalyse should not talk about lies and deceit. Look at their standing and Huff Tech. standings. They are allies and they both like to camp gates.
Hypocrits.
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![Joshua Calvert Joshua Calvert](/images/people/img2.png)
Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.17 17:43:00 -
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Celestrial Apocalyse should not talk about lies and deceit. Look at their standing and Huff Tech. standings. They are allies and they both like to camp gates.
Hypocrits.
Hypocrites.
You should read a dictionary to pass the time while docked.
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![darth solo darth solo](/images/people/img16.png)
darth solo
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Posted - 2004.04.17 17:48:00 -
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Celestrial Apocalyse should not talk about lies and deceit. Look at their standing and Huff Tech. standings. They are allies and they both like to camp gates.
Hypocrits.
what part of "this is our members own views dont u get"??.. just because he is in our corp doesnt mean he speaks the corps tounge.
you trying to say everyone must fall in line and lose their individuality?..
We have good relations with both RevOl and Xanadu, and have Huff at standings -5.
Now leave us out of this.
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![Smacktastic Smacktastic](/images/people/img8.png)
Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.17 17:49:00 -
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It's called a typographical error. Intelligent people realize that those do happen, they don't dwell on it, Safespot.
PS. Why do you try to project your own fallacies on others? Are you some sort of a frustrated psychotic too? DS.
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![Smacktastic Smacktastic](/images/people/img4.png)
Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.17 17:51:00 -
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Now that was an ultra quick right click on standings there, dear CELES CEO, too bad that the Huff Tech CEO isen't that fast.
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![Shadowthrone Shadowthrone](/images/people/img3.png)
Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:05:00 -
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Skillz, if u are really interested in the "huff situation with Celes" , huff wanted a NAP after they left F-E . They claimed to have left their pirating ways behind them and wanted to attack F-E. They joined Celes/Reikoku/DSIN and BNC forces v the RSA and F-E. Obviously to avoid friendly fire standing were changing accordingly. Huff fought bravely and with honour during this campaign.
It has dismayed us to learn that some of huff members are actively pirating in PF346 and therefore their standing has been changed accordingly. End of story.
Celes Kill Board
"Show them no mercy, for you will receive none"
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![Mitchello Mitchello](/images/people/img1.png)
Mitchello
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:16:00 -
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I'm sure both sides have valid points since no one is pure as the fresh fallen snow. But then no one from Xanadu had a hay-day in local making insulting remarks on...lets just say Sexual Orientation because if i go into it then the mods will neuter the posts again...
So at least XAnadu arenĘt haters, that has got to count for something. It does to me anyways.
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![Eris Discordia Eris Discordia](/images/people/img7.png)
Eris Discordia
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:21:00 -
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Please keep the replies respectful and friendly. No need to start flaming, even if you avoid using certain words us mods do read the entire post.
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![Smacktastic Smacktastic](/images/people/img6.png)
Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.17 18:30:00 -
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Very well, we did break on of those Huff blockades in PF by fragging a raven, so yes, they did engage in those fun activities where you blow everyone away.
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![Aneu Angellus Aneu Angellus](/images/people/img13.png)
Aneu Angellus
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Posted - 2004.04.17 19:57:00 -
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Quote: Edited by: Extravagant on 17/04/2004 08:49:14 Greetings,
Lately I have been following the FA-soap as a neutral observer, I was even in Fountain on that particular saturday, and with great amusement I've been following the forum war surrounding it. I have made a few observations regarding rev0luti0n which I feel need to be highlighted.
Let's start with their constant accusations towards Xanadu. They claim Xanadu hired a mercenary corporation to attack HeartVenom Inc. in empire space. So far they have given us no proof apart from "I have spoken to their CEO and he told me that...". Secondly, they call Xanadu pirates, yet they encourage pirate corps such as SIM to ally with them to fight the Fountain Alliance. Weird logic innit? Thirdly, they claim Xanadu has been paying EVOL to help them out. But yet again, we are given no proof! And by far the most amusing accusation, calling Xanadu backhanded for making a nap with CA, while at the same time asking CA to fight FA.
Firstly i have no accused Xanadu nor anyone else of HIRING anyone to attack any NFA/FA members. Secondly... evolution are on the NFA's side weather they are being payed or not... simple yes? Finnaly Xanadu are INDEED helping/co-operating with m0o, are you blind enough to ignore the logs and pictures i have on my other thread?
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I cannot help but laugh at these mindless accusations not backed up with some form of proof. Where are the Teamspeak logs or the screenshots or whatever! Rev0luti0n, you are simply trying to stirr the situation and allying with every scumbag you can find in the hopes you will defeat FA.
Come up with proof or stop accusing FA of doing anything.
As i have said, if you read the other log, you will see a screanshot of m0o in y-2ano and a battle-report from core-fountain where a m0o vessel and a Hirr vessel both engage a rev0lution ship. ![Rolling Eyes](/images/icon_rolleyes.gif)
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Note: this rant does not represent the opinion of Celestial Apocalypse.
Ok so your rant doesnt respresent the oppinion of Celestial Apocalypse, yet you go onto say...
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EDIT: I am sure that rev0luti0n has many fine people, but unfortunatly your people represent your corp and one of them just happens to be Anue Angellus. He was my main reason for posting this as he is one of the most annoying figures on the boards at this moment.
Please dont try to contradict yourself in the future, it is most unbecoming of a Celest pilot, you are Anti-Pirate, you are Anti-m0o, the NFA are allies of m0o hence your enemies. If you denounce the role of Pirate Hunter and ally with the NFA then you are nothing more than pirates yourselfs.
Kind Regards Aneu Angellus ________________ Aneu Angellus Vengeance Of The Fallen - WolfPack Military Captain
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![Remo Williams Remo Williams](/images/people/img4.png)
Remo Williams
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Posted - 2004.04.17 20:18:00 -
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Hello Darth... I hear ya, altho most won't even read your post unless you are slinging mud But I read it and understand it....thanks for clarifying.
*f3ar teh Rev0luti0n*
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![Smacktastic Smacktastic](/images/people/img11.png)
Smacktastic
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Posted - 2004.04.17 20:35:00 -
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Celes and m0o and the same enemy, that's the CA. The reasons for that are just crap. I can understand m0o's reason but not CELES reason.
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![Extravagant Extravagant](/images/people/img13.png)
Extravagant
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Posted - 2004.04.17 20:38:00 -
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Anue, you have come up with no direct proof whatsoever.
Screenshots of m0o in FA space, mean nothing. If I made a screenshot of myself in Curse space, would that make me allied with m0o?
I see discussion with you is pointless, as you are unwilling to admit you are a liar. I made my point clear and that's all.
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