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Thirzarr	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:33:00 - [1] Hi, One question unanswered by many a post about oh so insecure Low-Sec space: "Where do I sign up for anti-Piracy?" I wouldn't mind sitting somewhere and waiting for distress calls from any Mission-Runner, Grinder, Miner and warp right on. Heck, might even patrol the Area, scan for Pirates, search and hunt them in a gang. Improving my Security Rating as I do this sort of work. The main difference between piracy and this? a) I would fight people in PvP equiped ships. b) I would make another player feel better and probably really happy. c) I would help being a counter to the piracy, thus creating more space to live in then just empire. Now... "Where do I sign up?"
Daerkannon Shimmerscale Paxton Industries Paxton Federation	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:37:00 - [2] Head down to low-sec Domain and find yourself a CVA representative to get yourself on TheCitadel intel channel. If we ignore the forum politics and semantical wrangling, they are the only group that currently has a significant anti-pirate presence. They may be others, but I'm not familiar with them and they certainly are not as successful. --- Honest officer, the dwarf was on fire when I got here! Can't find a mechanical engineering agent? Need a non-Caldari Navy agent? http://www.eve-agents.com/ for all your agent needs!
Lithel Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:37:00 - [3] Anti-piracy does not really work. If you shoot"pirates" in low-sec, your sec status will decrease until you yourself will be considered a "pirate" by everyone else. Then you will be targeted by other "anti-piracy" players. (Unless you limit yourself to only shoot "blinky-red" pirates.) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Rawr Cristina Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:42:00 - [4] Sadly, the best anti-pirates are often former pirates themselves. Most corps who claim to be 'anti-pirate' tend to have very little actual PvP experience so don't fare too well in conflict. That and there simply isn't enough incentive to anti-pirate atm. It's silly that you get a sec loss for shooting someone -4. Sentries are enough but... ...
Thirzarr Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:52:00 - [5] Ok, so. Concord doesn't provide security, only you can do that... oh wait... no you can't. Actually this sector is missing. Completely. Imho: Everyone keeps complaining about lowsec. About risk/reward being crap, about the gatecamps, the ganking while already tanking 5 BS in a mission... Jet the real solution, giving players the right to "shoot back first", ist not existant. Well here I am waiting what the viceroalty might bring us. Hopefully the "only you can do that" part. :D
Slez R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:19:00 - [6] Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Head down to low-sec Domain and find yourself a CVA representative to get yourself on TheCitadel intel channel. If we ignore the forum politics and semantical wrangling, they are the only group that currently has a significant anti-pirate presence. They may be others, but I'm not familiar with them and they certainly are not as successful. Their anti-pirate presence is more of a "Hi we got lots of people, plz no pirating", but thats as far as they take it, they don't actually go in a fight or anything ----------- Originally by: Wet Ferret If you really want to give CCP the finger you'll send your stuff to an ISK seller
Jenny Spitfire LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Slez Their anti-pirate presence is more of a "Hi we got lots of people, plz no pirating", but thats as far as they take it, they don't actually go in a fight or anything Mabye cuz there is noe way to kill or pervent piwaecy. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Nachshon Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:25:00 - [8] Most anti-pirates are roleplayers, so I recommend joining an RP alliance. I'm guessing that as you are Minmatar, you're looking to join a Minmatar alliance. I will shamelessly state that Electus Matari is quite possibly exactly what you are looking for. While we have RP wars, most of our pvp action is against pirates. So, where do you sign up? Join the EM Public channel, and talk to a representative if one is around. Also, if you're looking for work immediately, join the Molden Intel channel. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Baron Erique	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:44:00 - [9] Originally by: Slez Their anti-pirate presence is more of a "Hi we got lots of people, plz no pirating", but thats as far as they take it, they don't actually go in a fight or anything I've been in Providence for a month and have seen several coordinated anti-pirate groups respond to reds in local, as well as ad-hoc rescues by friendly residents who respond to a ratter's call for assistance against a random aggressor.
clown12234 Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:51:00 - [10] join the dark guards,were part of cva and lf
Faife Blackrain Solutions Twilight Trade Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:55:00 - [11] Solitude also has an anti-pirate channel, "Veve Cluster". I ran a few ops with them and they're fairly decent, though lately it's been swarmed with Reds With solitude, it's small enough that everyone recognizes everyone else's corps. As soon as someone attacks a miner or missioner, their corp is marked as Pirate and they're fair game for attacks by anti-pirates, up until they negotiate something Having said all that, yes, being anti-pirate is very much playing eve on hard mode. If I had a dollar for everytime I near threw my headset across the room over the abilities of some anti-pirate fleet commanders / fleet leaders, I'd have... dunno, $20 or something. yar
Janus Ovellian	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Faife Having said all that, yes, being anti-pirate is very much playing eve on hard mode. If I had a dollar for everytime I near threw my headset across the room over the abilities of some anti-pirate fleet commanders / fleet leaders, I'd have... dunno, $20 or something. Enough for a new headset then. :) Interesting times await...
Furb Killer	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:12:00 - [13] I also got experience in sollitude, and honestly in europe timezone, it is crap. People prefer to hide above fighting. FCs are incompetent. So are your gangmates. (Yes my ammount of solo kills is 0, and the 2 kills i have didnt had much to do with me, but i have seen several times that the reds one because someone couldnt warpjam the right target). Then if you finally got a gang going on, it is just what people happen to be flying at that moment. So while the pirates have an organised gang, you are just with some random ships. And pirates can do all their skill training in pvp, while the anti pirates also got other things to train for.
Corduroy Rab	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:18:00 - [14] Originally by: Lithel Anti-piracy does not really work. If you shoot"pirates" in low-sec, your sec status will decrease until you yourself will be considered a "pirate" by everyone else. Then you will be targeted by other "anti-piracy" players. (Unless you limit yourself to only shoot "blinky-red" pirates.) You can always use the trusty old bait domi/drake/etc to get the pirates a global count down then jump them.
TimMc Genos Occidere Boner Bandits	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Thirzarr Hi, One question unanswered by many a post about oh so insecure Low-Sec space: "Where do I sign up for anti-Piracy?" I wouldn't mind sitting somewhere and waiting for distress calls from any Mission-Runner, Grinder, Miner and warp right on. Heck, might even patrol the Area, scan for Pirates, search and hunt them in a gang. Improving my Security Rating as I do this sort of work. The main difference between piracy and this? a) I would fight people in PvP equiped ships. b) I would make another player feel better and probably really happy. c) I would help being a counter to the piracy, thus creating more space to live in then just empire. Now... "Where do I sign up?" Fail, anti-pirates are people who suck to bad to do piracy or 0.0 wars. Only people who kill pirates really are other pirates when we fight over turf.
Nachshon	Posted - 2008.04.04 20:18:00 - [16] Originally by: TimMc Originally by: Thirzarr Hi, One question unanswered by many a post about oh so insecure Low-Sec space: "Where do I sign up for anti-Piracy?" I wouldn't mind sitting somewhere and waiting for distress calls from any Mission-Runner, Grinder, Miner and warp right on. Heck, might even patrol the Area, scan for Pirates, search and hunt them in a gang. Improving my Security Rating as I do this sort of work. The main difference between piracy and this? a) I would fight people in PvP equiped ships. b) I would make another player feel better and probably really happy. c) I would help being a counter to the piracy, thus creating more space to live in then just empire. Now... "Where do I sign up?" Fail, anti-pirates are people who suck to bad to do piracy or 0.0 wars. Only people who kill pirates really are other pirates when we fight over turf. Or are roleplayers. ____________________________________ Caldari by birth, Minmatar by citizenship. The True Meaning of Freedom My v
Stakhanov	Posted - 2008.04.04 20:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Thirzarr One question unanswered by many a post about oh so insecure Low-Sec space: "Where do I sign up for anti-Piracy?" 1) Pirate people for a year or 2 2) If you get bored of piracy , make your corp antipirate 3) ??? 4) Profit either way. Quote: I wouldn't mind sitting somewhere and waiting for distress calls from any Mission-Runner, Grinder, Miner and warp right on. Assuming you actually get carebears to be active in your intel channel , odds are they're deep fried by the time you board a combat ship. Even if they try to stall a ransom , they will be in structure and thus can't be saved even if you jump a rescue gang in system. Quote: Heck, might even patrol the Area, scan for Pirates, search and hunt them in a gang. Odds are you will be on the receiving end most of the time until you gather more experience of lowsec life. Quote: I would fight people in PvP equiped ships. If you're looking for real challenge , that will be it for sure. Quote: I would make another player feel better and probably really happy. I would help being a counter to the piracy, thus creating more space to live in then just empire. Local carebears probably wouldn't notice (because of the sheer amount of pirates around) and might not even care. If you join a large antipirate group , you might help secure a small lowsec pocket , but your efforts would pay off more in 0.0 obviously. Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu edit: Wow, that was unpleasant, I felt pity for someone. Won't happen again.
Garreck Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.04 21:00:00 - [18] Originally by: Slez Originally by: Daerkannon Shimmerscale Head down to low-sec Domain and find yourself a CVA representative to get yourself on TheCitadel intel channel. If we ignore the forum politics and semantical wrangling, they are the only group that currently has a significant anti-pirate presence. They may be others, but I'm not familiar with them and they certainly are not as successful. Their anti-pirate presence is more of a "Hi we got lots of people, plz no pirating", but thats as far as they take it, they don't actually go in a fight or anything Now that's an interesting generalization. It could easily be generalized that pirates themselves blob and "don't fight" because they won't hesitate to pop a solo hauler with half a dozen or a dozen pilots...but I've had plenty of decent fights against pirates, so I know that's not (always) the case. It would be as rediculous to expect any organization to hold back numbers against pirates as it would be to expect the pirates to attack only when the odds are "fair." If you want a duel or pre-set small gang combat, please contact me. I can arrange something. Otherwise...CVA have a roleplay mission that they carry out quite vigorously, and mission accomplishment takes precidence to caring about whether or not the gankers got ganked.
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.04 21:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Faife Edited by: Faife on 04/04/2008 15:55:52 Solitude also has an anti-pirate channel, "Veve Cluster". I ran a few ops with them and they're fairly decent, though lately it's been overwhelmed with Reds since a bunch of NBSI alliances are fighting it out in the region With solitude, it's small enough that everyone recognizes everyone else's corps. As soon as someone attacks a miner or missioner, their corp is marked as Pirate and they're fair game for attacks by anti-pirates, up until they negotiate something Having said all that, yes, being anti-pirate is very much playing eve on hard mode. If I had a dollar for everytime I near threw my headset across the room over the abilities of some anti-pirate fleet commanders / fleet leaders, I'd have... dunno, $20 or something. yar I used to live in Solitude, and there was rarely enough people who actually wanted to engage the pirates, or do anything. It was more of a run away thing. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.04 21:16:00 - [20] You'd have to have some clue of how pirating works. If you see a ship on scanner locate where its and figure out if it a pirate or not. Wait for them to either engage someone or to be attacked, don't just trust blinky red as a pirate either. To be honest you'll end up a pirate or in a rp corp(which isn't a bad thing).
Dromidas Shadowmoon 54th Knights Templar THORN Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.04 22:10:00 - [21] Bah.. Here I thought this was where you learn how to be an "Anti-Low-Sec" pirate. I guess I'm stuck waiting for that day to come. _______________________________________________ Minmatar will always go faster than you, get over it.
Thirzarr Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.04 22:27:00 - [22] Hm, ok I get it. No technical possibility to join local law enforcement. Not without ending up taking sec-rating hits yourself. And there I was thinking stupid girl thoughts "Well if PvE players cant fight back themselves, get in there and help." Ofcourse I don't expect to beat any pirate with alot of experience going there in my rifter. But, ya know, the most I ever seen of a pirate was some ganker at a gate warping away as soon as the mwd kicked in. Well, I'll just go and practice some. Maybe some day there will be something like "Join System X Law Enforcement". dreams on Not a Corp... no Loot (that could be like confiscated by the locals)... just possible bounty payments.
Ryas Nia Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.04 22:35:00 - [23] First i want to define Pirates. Pirates in eve online are outlaws people with -5 or lower security status. Now with that out of the way, if you want an anti pirate corp you may have to make one. Anti pirates generally fail not because pirates have all the advantages but because the anti pirates don't know all theirs, wont use them, or are just cant wait for the fight. If you want to be good at it i suggest some of the following strategies and concepts. First and foremost understand flagging and how it works. Thats the number one biggest advantage pirates have is we live and die understanding what flags people. Never fight anywhere with out sentries if you can help it. Pirates will do their best to bait you into belts, moons, planets, and safe spots. DONT TAKE THE BAIT. They want a fight just as much and if they wont risk fighting on a gate or station, and leave then you have done your job. The system is then pirate free. Use remote armor/shield drones, and mods. Pirates cant use them on gates as drones get shot by sentries and we get flagged for assisting a criminal. You however can use them, and they can help turn the tide of a fight very quickly. The best way to break up gate camps is to camp the gate yourself. If you get a friendly gang together and hold a gate for several hours for a week or two the pirates will look for a new area. They wont want to fight without an exit and sentries against them. If you have a corp of "high sec pirates" people with -4.9 or higher sec then war dec them. You never lose security status shooting outlaws, people with criminal aggression (you do for the pod), or war targets. While you lose the advantage of sentries, you dont have to fight with them against you or deal with security losses. Focus fire... This is one people forget. Outlaws are free targets any time anywhere. If you run into a pirate gang pick one target and keep shooting, he is the only one who can return fire, if any of the others do, then they will flag themselves and you get sentry guns on your side. This is one of the simplest things that anti pirates seem to forget. We cant help each other ever, if we do we have to be able to overcome the sentry damage as well as your own. Hope this helps you get started on your path, its been a while since i have had a good fight with anyone who is not outlaw in low sec.
Armoured C Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.04.04 22:40:00 - [24] ahh bounty hunting is a different kettle of fish ( my god woman why would you piut fish in a kettle) CCP are overhauling bounty hunting and this is probably what you are looking for instead of that kettle
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:12:00 - [25] If you are eager to do something you can. Outlaws can be shot at will without repercussions instead if they have friends who try to help those will be shot by sentries. The yellows can be baited with appropriate tools. Actually if they are sitting on a gate you will always try to get them aggroed before jumping in your people because otherwise its too easy for them to disengange. So in that case they'll be criminally flagged which in turn means they can be shot at will without any repercussions. Finally if you just cannot get the yellows aggroed you can still shoot them. You will lose a little security status - nothing major if you do not pod them. Big deal go ratting a bit. Would it be nice to shoot them without security loss? YES! Are there simple mechanics that ccp could implement to secure this? YES. Is this a reason for you to armchair antipirate a bit more and blame it on CCP or ze evil piwates? Hell, NO! If you want to do something you can. The current system isn't perfect but its not bad enough to be a good excuse for doing nothing.
Norwood Franskly Fleet of the Damned United Freemen Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:20:00 - [26] UFA are an anti pirate organization, these days we are mainly based out in 0.0 due to politics etc we are pretty much forced to adopt NBSI, in low sec we are NRDS, though we will attack back if aggressed... It's hard to define what makes a corp or alliance anti-pirate or pirate as some people my declare anti pirate corps as being pirates themselves. In general terms I personally would define a pirate as someone who unprovoked attacks players weaker then themselves for the sake of extorting or griefing them. In reality it's a lot more complicated. If you are serious about combating pirates my advice is to join a corp of like minded people or form your own
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.04 23:20:00 - [27] Most pirates are below -5 you really should even have yellow on your overview. Turn everything red for agression and -5 to make things simple.
Kahega Amielden Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:24:00 - [28] The Antipirate mechanics may be lacking a bit, doesn't mean you can't do it. Have the gang jump into a gatecamp and have one person act as a bait t1 hauler. Hauler pops, sentry gun fires, gang decloaks and kicks ass with help of the sentry gun. Or, for belts, just have a t1 cruiser sitting in a belt acting as bait. Or, find a safespot, drop some drones, make them think you're in a mission. JUmp them.
Darth Ninjabadger m3 Corp Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.04.05 00:58:00 - [29] Originally by: Corstaad Most pirates are below -5 you really should even have yellow on your overview. Turn everything red for agression and -5 to make things simple. According to the last economic report that covered security status: There are 4,200 pilots with a standing of -3 or worse, and only 32 pilots that have reached the perfect criminal score of -10. That's not a lot of targets tbh. On top of that it's rare to get the bait domi to pull in a pirate gang, most are scouting with alts and those that aren't are often wise to those tactics.
Corstaad Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.05 01:03:00 - [30] Alot of those things in the report are raw facts. Perfect -10 is extremely hard to get. We see alot of people as -10 because its rounded.

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