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Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 12:17:00 - [1] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: The Mittani is simply repeating what many people have been saying over the last couple of months and is now trying to claim credit for himself. Yes he is repeating what many players have been saying. But that is his job! He is supposed to represent players. CSM aren't elected because they have original ideas. They are elected to represent the players views. He is finally doing this. I agree he seems to be late to the game. But I suppose he may have been trying to be more diplomatic in his diplomacy at first and now seems to realize that won't work. You say nothing will work. But then why even run for csm? If ccp won't listen to players no matter what then csm has no place. As for him "trying to claim credit for himself", I'm not sure what that means. He is not pretending anything he said is original or some new discovery - quite the opposite. He is saying players are sick of this. CCP Zulu posted what the numbers of devs working on FIS was in july of 2010. The last CSM minutes indicate that number isn't going to change. This is really what has caused 2 summers of rage players. Very few devs working on eve FIS features. Yes there has been your token player saying "yay I'm happy for incarna." But the rage after it was released combined with the stagnant numbers has to send a message to ccp. I'm Glad the CSM is representing the players views on this and doing whatever they can to get ccp to give us something. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 13:32:00 - [2] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Why bother having the CSM.. that is a very good question. Also Mittani does not represent the players, he represents a small percentage of players and what ever aspects he cares about. All that the Mittani did was managed climb out of the arse of CCP just enough to see daylight and realise that he has accomplished nothing other then get a free trip to Iceland and it hurt his ego. So skimmed the forums and just repeated what everybody has been saying thinking that coming from him it will make a difference... which it wont. Please tell me what has changed since the protest and the gaming media attention from a few months ago? If anything you could say things have got worse. We are still waiting for the minutes from the emergency drinking, sorry, meeting, updates are stil a bug ridden as ever, and communtion between the CCP and CSM apperantly has gotten so bad that they are resorting to writing blogs and delcaring War on CCP senior management. You complain that CSM is repeating the concerns of the players as forcefully as they can. That is what they are supposed to do. You do not suggest what else they should be doing. So your complaints are not constructive. You are also a bit naive to think that there will be major changes to major plans 60 days after we rage about incarnas release. There were 70 developers assigned to incarna for at least 18 months! You don't just see rage on the forums when you are 14 months into it and then immediately announce you are dropping that and assigning them all back to spaceships. However, I would be willing to bet there is allot of discussion about assigning more devs back to FIS. When and how can they cut the incarna crew and still get allot out of the time already invested even if they need to cut some things short to get back to FIS. And if the CSM is steadfast in demanding that CCP give some answers about when they are going to assign resources to this, I think we will see some more devs assigned. What eve player does not want resources assigned to eve? When we look at all the problems people are complaining about this is always the root of the problem. No one showed at the FW round table? Well the problem isn't a lack of communication. Its that there is nothing to communicate. There is no one working on FW. Nothing new about low sec? Again no one is working on it. The backlog of issues is barely making any headway? They have very very few people to work on it. CSM is going to spotlight this issue of no resources for FIS and I am glad. It is the mother of all issues for eve. But its not going to change in 60 days. Thats unrealistic. However I do think in the next 6 months we will see CCP assign more devs to FIS. Or their game will continue to suffer. And it will suffer because of th age old reason, they ignored their customers. I am not a fan of mittani or this csm either. I don't think I have said a single nice thing about them until they finally started pressuring ccp about putting more resources into FIS. But they are finally doing it so I am giving them credit for representing the players. edit: If I had seen Jade's post I probably wouldn't have had to even type this. Well said Jade. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 13:40:00 - [3] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Cearain - you posted a link to post which was first posted over a year ago by yourself which I can not be bothered reading truth be told as the title appears to have no relevance to the discussion at hand. Any chance you can just give me a short synopsis? Yeah thats my sig not really part of the post. The short of it is players should be notified when the oppposing militia enters a faction war plex. That way they can defend it instead of leaving it to npcs. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 14:28:00 - [4] - Quote AnzacPaul wrote: Can you really convince a company to shift resources from what every report has told them is an ever increasing M/T model market and that the subscription model is dead? I find it hard to believe at this stage of Eve's life, that CCP won't just push on wholeheartedly with the nex store, in a hope to ride the wave of m/t success. In my opinion, the more subs CCP loses only furthers there desire to try and make up for lost revenue by increasing sales in the nex. Every report told them this?? What about the reports of people unsubscribing? What about the reports of people not logging in anymore? These are the reports that should really matter to ccp. Not some yahoo who never ran a game for more than a year speculating what the gaming industry will look like in 10 years. CCP has a successful business model with this game. For all the talk very few companies have managed to get that. CCP should put a huge value on not screwing it up. Therefore a huge burden of proof on those who would convince them they need to change this model. Nothing I have read or seen even remotely meets that burden. If they continue to just try to make up for lost subscriptions by revenue from mt they will indeed run the game into the ground. It doesn't take a genius to see that. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 14:42:00 - [5] - Quote AnzacPaul wrote: Jade Constantine wrote: Isn't that like a failing fast food join cranking up the price of its burgers to offset dropping sales? I can't see that strategy working for long. My view (and mine only) from trawling forums, reading the Fearless newsletter, seeing growth charts, plans for further games etc, is that CCP are looking to get the best return for their buck on a game that is no longer growing substantially, and probably never will again.... It was growing very well when they were working on FIS - the core of eve. Eve has the only internet spaceship game in the world. Anyone who thinks 350k is some sort of cap is crazy. This game has allot of growth left - as long as it isn't abandoned. They will get the best bang for the buck if they continue to develop this game. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 14:51:00 - [6] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Great blog as always Seleene. However reading it just makes me think even more that the suits at CCP simply are not interested in anything anyone, including Devs have to say. "It's great to see again but what saddens me is how Greyscale's 0.0 road map reminds me pretty much exactly of stuff that was discussed between Dominion and Apocrypha (about 2.5 years ago). I could go back and pull out old emails and (if I still had access) meeting minutes on the internal CCP 'Trac' pages that had shitloads of similar trains of thought to them. It's all been updated and thought through again, but the core principals and goals are the same: iterate on existing crappy game play and make it more better good fun awesome" This was happening 2.5 years ago and nothing has changed. Why should now be any different. .... It should be different now because incarna has been released and they can see the results. They can see that incarna is not that great of a draw to the game. Even I thought the subscriptions would get a boost from incarna. However, now that incarna was released, it is clear that having that many devs assigned to incarna, for so long, is not financially justified. They need to find a sensible place to finish up with what they are working on with incarna, and then reassign the devs back to FIS. They also need to let the players know they are doing this. Because right now players are leaving this game because they think it is abandoned. (and it has been since apoc 1.5.) Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 15:25:00 - [7] - Quote Rodj Blake wrote: Barakkus wrote: Cearain wrote: They also need to let the players know they are doing this. Because right now players are leaving this game because they think it is abandoned. (and it has been since apoc 1.5.) CCP PrismX mentioned in another thread they are in the planning stages for the next development cycle so they don't really have an idea at present what is going to be scheduled for development. There was a time when CCP planned things at least a year in advance. They had teams working on not only the next expansion, but the one after that as well. So in theory they should have an idea by now what will be in the Summer 2012 expansion. I anticipate the reaction to incarna may have changed some plans. We can only hope. But yeah they undoubtedly need to finish up some things. I think they need to find good stopping points for incarna. For example maybe they wanted everyone to be able to go into the Jita station and that is taking allot of resources to make that possible. Now maybe they will have to put a limit on the number of people in each station. Like maybe they will say after 200 people walk through "the door" it will need to be shut for the rest of the players at that station. "That room is packed so tight the door is pushed shut." If they explain that the amount of time it would take to do otherwise would put off work on FIS I think the players would not only understand, but applaud them. In any event I am not surprised they are keeping quiet about the future right now. If I were in their shoes I would be trying to find sensible timelines for people to wrap up their work on incarna and get back to spaceships. Once they have that figured out they should make a dev blog about it though. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906
Cearain The IMPERIUM of LaZy NATION 31	Posted - 2011.09.08 19:15:00 - [8] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: Seleene wrote: El'Niaga wrote: He wasn't fired for his actions which warranted it. Seriously, how would you know? Talked to him or any of his former co-workers lately? Cripes. El'Niaga wrote: When you fail to hold employees to a reasonable expectation then you breed a culture of corruption which undermines your authority as an employer. Hey, you leave the U.S. Congress out of this!! Out of curosity, what do you think should of been done to him? Wouldn't that depend on how bad the company needed him or if he was going to resign anyway? I mean sure he was cheating at eve and that in a vacuum should be grounds for firing him eventually. But how and when to let someone go involves business decisions that involve facts we are not privvy to. Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1329906

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