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Feng Schui
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:39:00 -
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So who do you think the last cylon is? My vote goes to either the President or....
Starbuck!
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goodby4u
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:39:00 -
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Starbuck.
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darklegionca
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:40:00 -
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im going with starbuck
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Sereifex Daku
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:42:00 -
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Since the identities of the 11 of 12 have been divulged, I'm thinking that the last cylon is a character we won't see until near the end. It's just a hunch, really.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:46:00 -
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I think it will be Apollo.
Here is my temporary Tag.
On Battlestar Galactica Heroic Cylons Battle Vicious Terrorists
The Sci Fi Channel show is a moving and haunting allegory about why we should stay the course in Iraq. The heroes are a deeply religious race, called the Cylons, who struggle to bring democratic ideals and Christian values to a planet called New Caprica (Iraq, of course) in the face of an increasingly violent insurgency. In a clever and ironic twist the Christian Cylons (Americans) are actually very human-like machines, while the villainous "humans" on New Caprica (al Qaeda) are brutal terrorists who follow a primitive polytheistic religion and behave like animals.
Battlestar Galactica is not really about the future as much as it's a subversive analysis of current events. The terrorists are led by an unscrupulous man prone to violent rages named Admiral Adama (Edward James Olmos), who not only has a name that is clearly meant to evoke ***** Bin Laden, he also bears something of a resemblance to ****** *******. He even has a lazy, playboy son like ****** had. The insurgency is headed up by the unhinged Col. Saul Tigh (Michael Hogan), who is locked up in a Guantanamo-like prison at the beginning of the episode recovering from some Cylon alternate interrogation procedures (apparently New Caprica is free of nit-picking Geneva Conventions).
As soon as Col. Tigh is free he goes right back to lead the insurgents and decides to up the ante by launching a depraved suicide bombing campaign. The first attack takes out a group of idealistic young police recruits, which, of course, directly parallels terrorist attacks against Iraqi security forces taking place today. If I have any criticism of the show it's that the New Capricans are so unsympathetic and vile in contrast to the peace-loving Cylons, who are clearly just trying to help them, that at times it seems like a simplistic battle between good (the Cylons) and evil (the New Capricans). A few more shades of gray might make the show more interesting.
For example, in one scene a terrorist named Starbuck responds to the hospitality of one kindly Cylon by viciously murdering him and then sitting down to calmly eat her dinner covered with his blood. (Luckily, unlike our soldiers in Iraq, the Cylons have the power to regenerate themselves so he's okay in the next scene.) Perhaps the most annoying of the New Capricans is a liberal apologist named Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell) who justifies the suicide bombing by saying, "Desperate people use desperate measures." At one point she self-righteously accuses the suave and sophisticated President Gaius Baltar (James Callis) of torturing Col. Tigh, but he quickly puts her in her place by echoing George Bush: "We don't use torture." What the New Capricans don't seem to realize is that they only make things worse for themselves by resisting the Cylons' beneficence. If they stopped their futile insurgency, the Cylons would be able to repair the infrastructure and give them better places to live than tents.
All in all it looks like an impressive series. I was very surprised to see a pro-Iraq War, pro-Christian series.
Hopefully, a lot of people will see it and it will make them think about just what it is we are doing in Iraq.
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Istvaan Shogaatsu
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Posted - 2008.04.05 01:46:00 -
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Lee Adama.
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Daelorn
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Posted - 2008.04.05 02:07:00 -
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The bartender
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Tarquin Tarquinius
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Posted - 2008.04.05 02:14:00 -
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Baltar
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Akita T
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Posted - 2008.04.05 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2008 02:31:12
Sephra, this would almost make an awful lot of sense if only the "Battlestar Galactica" storyline wouldn't be more or less the same as it was nearly 30 years ago.
So, unless you can come up with a cleverly twisted argument on how some conspiracy to invade Iraq and have it insinuated into the plotline of a cheezy TV show just so the "revival" of the show would coincide with events that would transpire several decades later, I call that pure and simple fantasy.
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I have discounted both Adamas as "way too much" (and because then "Hera" would not be the "first hybrid", which would break the storyline) and Roslyn (the cancer, I mean, come on)... and the other "last minute cylons" unveiled in the season three finale (Tory, Colonel Tigh, Tyrol, and Anders).
I also cut out Balthar as being so obvious that he just can't be one, and it would seriously bum the storyline too (yeah, let's SEDUCE the secret cylon that's not a cylon to hack the computer network on Caprica, let's not just have him do it directly [/sarcasm]).
That being said, by simple process of elimination, it's either Starbuck (a little bit too obvious, but meh) or Gaeta (I mean, why not, not like we have much choice left).
Of course, it can still be one of the above, as I wouldn't put it past the writers to come up with some back-asswards reasoning for breaking the storyline's logic just for the "surprise!" factor.
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Chereadenine Zakalwe
Slacker Industries
Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2008.04.05 03:18:00 -
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Edited by: Chereadenine Zakalwe on 05/04/2008 03:18:35
Starbucks too obvious.I have no better idea, but i reckon shes just a red herring thrown at us by the writers.
I mean ffs tigh turned out to be one of em so the last un has to be somet special!
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Roxanna Kell
FinFleet
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.05 03:24:00 -
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Gauis
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RagnarH
Corp 1 Allstars
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.04.05 03:24:00 -
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Starbucks.
She came back after beeing "dead"
I think either she was killed and brought back (hardly, since she came back in her own ship)
Or
The cylons couldn't kill her cause she was one of them or what ever.
When does the next serie start ?
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Gneeznow
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.04.05 03:25:00 -
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Starbuck or Dualla
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2008.04.05 03:29:00 -
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It ll really be messed up if its the commander.
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War Keynvor
PURE Legion
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.04.05 05:34:00 -
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Either Gaeta or someone coming back from the dead such as president Adar or Billy.
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MalVortex
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:24:00 -
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Personally, I think its Billy.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:30:00 -
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Its gotta be Starbuck or Apollo. I don't buy that it's someone we haven't met yet, since when Number Three saw the faces of The Five , it seemed like it was someone important that she knew.
I don't buy that it'll be the President (because of the cancer thing), Admiral Adama (not least because it'd be far too clichT, also theres just been no signs of it), definitely not Baltar (hasn't that pretty much been cleared up already?) and anyone else would be too anti-climatic.
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 05/04/2008 02:31:12
Sephra, this would almost make an awful lot of sense if only the "Battlestar Galactica" storyline wouldn't be more or less the same as it was nearly 30 years ago.
So, unless you can come up with a cleverly twisted argument on how some conspiracy to invade Iraq and have it insinuated into the plotline of a cheezy TV show just so the "revival" of the show would coincide with events that would transpire several decades later, I call that pure and simple fantasy.
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Droofy
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Posted - 2008.04.05 08:46:00 -
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I bet that the last Cylon is the battlestar galactica itself, where do you think the music the 4 new cylons heard at the end of last season comes from ?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:09:00 -
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Ah, you should have said you mean the "Insurgency" storyline arc.
However, you interpret it as an overtly pro-Iraq-war, pro-Christianity sequence... the "warmongering Christians" see it as an affront to their position on having the "good guys" be the Iraqi-like side in that storyline sequence.
All in all, I'd have to say it was a pretty neutral rendition of current events, merely having shifted the traditional viewpoint of "USA good, muslims bad" by having the humans be the insurgents for a change.
One man's biased story is another man's objective viewpoint... meh... no further comment.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.05 09:59:00 -
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I was not posting what I thought the interpretation was.
I was merely posting links to back up my assertion.
It really does not matter how you interpret it as the overall effect has a deffinate psychological impact on Americans to go along with the grotesque crimes our government is engaged in.
Frankly I had not bothered watching BSG religiously. I ration my television viewing and even when I do watch it I keep my attention divided (internet) and maintain an accute awareness of the intended psychological effects.
As I have said before I am a veteran of the 4th PSYOP Group and I know full well from my training and experience what the intended nature of programming is.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 05/04/2008 10:05:44
On another note though I thought I would mention a scene from a re-run of BSG that has to do with the topic of this thread.
Think back at the episode where a captured Cylon has preumably planted an atomic device set to go off on a timer.
Starbuck was placed in charge of the interogation which of course included all that torture.
Here is the point that. At the end of the episode think back at when the President insisted she be transported to see the prisoner like an hour before it was supposedly set to go off.
She told the guards to take off his restraints and after he told her that he made the whole thing up to buy some time he suddenly grabbed "Madam President" and whispered in her ear.
"I have something to tell you; ADAMA IS A CYLON"
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
It really does not matter how you interpret it as the overall effect has a deffinate psychological impact on Americans to go along with the grotesque crimes our government is engaged in.
Of course interpretation matters. How you interpret it is exactly what determines what effect it has on you.
When I watched the Insurgency episodes, all I was thinking was "War is terrible, it drives people to terrible, brutal things". It most certainly did not make me want to embrace war, and neither did it make me think that war was justified. It portrayed war (particularly a "liberation invasion" like the Cylons partook in) as disastrous and awful and to be avoided at all costs.
I'm sorry that you interpreted it as justification for war, but I guess that says more about you than the program... 
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.05 10:21:00 -
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Edited by: Sephra Star on 05/04/2008 10:24:28
You have to understand the programming we are being subjected to on telivision in terms of the intended psychological impact has multiple target objectives depending on the type of person you are.
Desensitzation to violence is part of it and generally is intended for the younger crowd. A large part of the idea behind most programming directed at youth is to break down their morality in order to accept a Luciferion sociology that is willing to accept genocide and regard it in an acceptable manner. It also glamorizes war and helps to mold their mental conditioning as potential soldiers. Video games are a large of this programming.
It also works to enhance a general paranoia on those who have grown mature enough to reject violence. That facilitates a tendency to remain silent in the face of the criminal behavior of the estableshment which enslaves them.
Another important aspect is to keep people hypnotized in a false reality to distract them from reality. If there were no such thing as telivision people would have much more time to spend with each other discussing real life.
If people started doing that they would begin waking up and realising what is really going on in the world.
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Roxanna Kell
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:29:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Omfg, someone put this dude out of his misery.
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Sereifex Daku
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.04.05 11:54:00 -
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Originally by: Roxanna Kell
Originally by: Sephra Star
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Omfg, someone put this dude out of his misery.
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Sephra Star
The Galactic Collective
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:03:00 -
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Classical conditioning and the æwar on terrorÆ
By Dr. Harry Davidson
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Elliot Reid
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:07:00 -
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It would be far too obvious if it was Starbuck, unless they are being tricky 
My guess is, and it has to be a major char, Roslin.
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Orion Eridanus
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sephra Star
Random nonsense on covertly turning the US into a militaristic nation
Shame only 1% of the US population is actually in the military, voluntarily at that too. And of that 1% only 25% or so is in combat arms. Looks like the government and Hollywood have a long long long long long ways to go.
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
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Orion Eridanus
Dark Nova Crisis
Chain of Chaos
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Posted - 2008.04.05 12:22:00 -
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You keep using the same links, running out of material sephra?
Originally by: Paulo Damarr
That is a most Excellent Drake fitting, you are lucky to have survived.
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