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Jelena Jinx Gallente Northen Breeze	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:33:00 - [151] Originally by: coolie oberon If I were still going to play this game I might be interested to know what alliances have funded their conquest of space with real world isk. I sincerely doubt ccp will take assets from these alliances that were gained by this tactic. ccp seems comfortable chastizing individual players who may or may not know all the nuances of their approved method(s) of acquiring isk. After over a year of being a good customer I am treated poorly. That is the bottom line. I dont care if I am 1 of 30,0000% of their income. I'll find something else to waste time and money on. do you have proof that alliances use real money to buy isk and then concure space?? of not stfu. to the rest of the ppl here defending the guy... stop buying isk or takeing "free" isk from someone... you might find yourself in negative wallet very soon if the isk has been bought.

GM Krymus Game Masters	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:35:00 - [152] Originally by: Franco Caruso Hey there. You should, if you are 100% certain that the ISK deducted from your wallet where legit, escalate the problem to a senior GM. That is the only way to have it solved. Furthermore, if there was foulplay involved by a GM ( which I personall doubt ) it's the only way to have it found out and rectified. Some alliances use RL funds to collect cash, then buy GTC and sell them for ISK. That is 100% legit. Those ISK can't be removed. You weren't treated poorly, you are most likely at the end of a chain of events that started with CCP finding a rl ISK selling operation and reversing their transactions. That it affects you, granted but it's not against you in person. That is proven by the fact that you still can post here. You have the chance of recovering ... banned you wouldn't have. So, escalate it. Whilst of course there are situations where petitions should be escalated, if you have ISK removed and feel that it was done unfairly, your first point of contact is a GM1. Cases will only be able to be escalated after a full investigation has been performed regarding the case. You can read this knowledge base article for more information.

Jwstohr Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 09/04/2008 12:14:54 Originally by: Franco Caruso Edited by: Franco Caruso on 09/04/2008 12:01:21 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr a worrying trend of GM indifference and organisational arrogance at CCP... this is the third time within recent weeks I have heard of "mystery actions" by GMs. In at least one case I know for a fact that the "target" did nothing wrong. Perhaps some GMs are abusing their powers to take down in-game opponents? You have heard of mystery action. Three times ... All the others were clever enough to cut their losses ( cash ) and try to recover. You Sir, win todays Darwin and tinfoil hattery award. Please revert yourself to nothing. Fun thing about this whole thread is that the OP seems to have lost interest of posting in it and that self-proclaimed Don Quixote explains his nickel & dime RL business theorema to the general public. What it boils down to is this. The OP, if he wants to have it further investigate, needs to file a petition. Everybody else, STFU. How many times does a GM have to post "If it's not your problem, I am not going to discuss it with you !" (maybe not like that ... catchmedrift ) ? We do not have ALL the facts or the "not altered" version of them since nobody will ever openly admit to having tried to hide his Real Money Trade and then getting caught by CCP pants down. Baby G-sus weeps when you step outside your door. Good weather is wasted on your face, and you whole bloodline is contaminated by impure blood. You sir, are nothing but genetic waste. Dont bother replying, you're already in my killfilter (now F.U.!!!!) Anyone else feel like being clever? E-thug alert!
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:39:00 - [154] Originally by: GM Guard Please take into account that we have first hand information about such matters and access to logs whilst you only have the information given to you by your friend. True, but CCP set the stage for extreme suspicion by failing to provide my guy with an explanation. He was given no information he could evaluate to have even a good clue why 500 mil ISK was removed from his account or to attempt a determination of how and where an error may have been made. It took him some time and help from friends to even figure out that it might, possibly, maybe have had something to do with a transaction months earlier. And the transfer of his 500 mil to a nonexistent char, while perhaps a convenient way for the GM to do it, only added mystery and suspicion. When he petitioned this he should certainly have received an explanation and not a brush-off. In fact, by hiding behind "player privacy" you leave only one resolution that can settle the matter to the satisfaction of our guy's friends and associates: return of the missing ISK. Any other resolution will be incomplete and leave everyone else wondering. If he tells us he got the ISK back we'll know, in our circle, that a mistake was made and rectified. If he doesn't tell us that, we will always wonder what really went on. Originally by: GM Guard That being said, we do not discuss individual cases on the forums. No, of course not. That wasn't the point. I think the discussion has been useful, though, to anyone interested in these kinds of things. Originally by: GM Guard We appreciate your concern for your friend's well being but this will not be solved here. No, of course not, but people have a right to know that these things happen. Originally by: GM Guard If your friend feels we missed something and wants a second opinion from a Senior Game Master he is more than welcome to it. Yes, of course. That is what he plans to do next. Originally by: GM Guard Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support Thank you for weighing in. When the cluster is up again I'll check my old petitions. Your name is too familiar.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:40:00 - [155] This thread just keeps getting better. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:53:00 - [156] More like the thread is getting dumber and dumber...When was the last time GM's took isk away from someone who acquired it completely legitimately, and in worst case, didn't return it afterwards? Oh that's right, they never did.
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:05:00 - [157] Originally by: Zanpt Originally by: GM Guard Best Regards, Lead GM Guard EVE Online Customer Support Thank you for weighing in. When the cluster is up again I'll check my old petitions. Your name is too familiar. Found it. GM Guard, now Lead GM Guard, is a most gracious and diplomatic gentleman.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:08:00 - [158] Originally by: Cadela Fria More like the thread is getting dumber and dumber...When was the last time GM's took isk away from someone who acquired it completely legitimately, and in worst case, didn't return it afterwards? Oh that's right, they never did. Stop treading on everyone's righteous nerdrage! ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
AltBier Minmatar Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:08:00 - [159] Edited by: AltBier on 09/04/2008 13:12:03 Originally by: Cadela Fria More like the thread is getting dumber and dumber...When was the last time GM's took isk away from someone who acquired it completely legitimately, and in worst case, didn't return it afterwards? Oh that's right, they never did. To be fair, how would we know if it did happen? Though I do find it extremely unlikely.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:12:00 - [160] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 09/04/2008 12:14:54 Three times in the last two weeks (read post before wating 1s and 0s ****). The OP has probably been permabanned for dragging this into the public eye. Now that it IS here, I am as entitled to voice my opinion as anyone else. Now please for the love of god, off with your ****** logic, judgemental attitude, and geneal FAILURE! I KNOW for a fact that CCP the quality of CCP GM-ship has gone downhill the last 18 months or so. YOU sir, know nothing. You're a clueless noob that should stop posting simply because you know SO little. Baby G-sus weeps when you step outside your door. Good weather is wasted on your face, and you whole bloodline is contaminated by impure blood. You sir, are nothing but genetic waste. Dont bother replying, you're already in my killfilter (now F.U.!!!!) Anyone else feel like being clever? Schani looks like you are still as tactful and subtle as ever. Your facts though contradict mine and many others as well. Especially in this case you are as clueless as everyone who is not directly affected. And that goes too for the case you claim you know personally. Please try not to claim you know it all, when you only know what people are telling you. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Yon89	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:53:00 - [161] Edited by: Yon89 on 09/04/2008 13:55:57 I think that you most likely have no chance of getting your isk back. Mainly because if your did they would be admintting fault. Also what about all the other threds like this there was bound to be others that were inocent. Thanks Yon89 ============= SIG SIG SIG
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:59:00 - [162] Originally by: Yon89 Edited by: Yon89 on 09/04/2008 13:55:57 I think that you most likely have no chance of getting your isk back. Mainly because if your did they would be admintting fault. Also what about all the other threds like this there was bound to be others that were inocent. Thanks Yon89 How do you know? All I've ever seen are people that come to the forums and cry wolf, and then mysteriously stop posting in the thread once people start asking for hard facts, much like the OP has done. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Nuyan Zahedi Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.09 14:24:00 - [163] This is great. It's hard to see how big the problem with ISK buying/selling actually is, but it's good to see doing something about it and coming up with "pray we do not investigate further" responds to petitions. I also think setting people's ISK back to -500M ISK really scares away other potential buyers. And if you're really treated unfairly because of some mistake, I assume it'd be corrected after a while.. And to be honest, I'd tolerate some collateral damage from CCP in these cases. -- My blog
coolie oberon	Posted - 2008.04.09 17:44:00 - [164] Originally by: Jelena Jinx Originally by: coolie oberon If I were still going to play this game I might be interested to know what alliances have funded their conquest of space with real world isk. I sincerely doubt ccp will take assets from these alliances that were gained by this tactic. ccp seems comfortable chastizing individual players who may or may not know all the nuances of their approved method(s) of acquiring isk. After over a year of being a good customer I am treated poorly. That is the bottom line. I dont care if I am 1 of 30,0000% of their income. I'll find something else to waste time and money on. do you have proof that alliances use real money to buy isk and then concure space?? of not stfu. to the rest of the ppl here defending the guy... stop buying isk or takeing "free" isk from someone... you might find yourself in negative wallet very soon if the isk has been bought. The fact that CCP knows alliances used real money to buy illigit isk and use it to finance wars is stated in their own posts regarding illegal isk trade. See this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=744347 and more especially this: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=550
coolie oberon	Posted - 2008.04.09 17:47:00 - [165] Originally by: Jelena Jinx Originally by: coolie oberon If I were still going to play this game I might be interested to know what alliances have funded their conquest of space with real world isk. I sincerely doubt ccp will take assets from these alliances that were gained by this tactic. ccp seems comfortable chastizing individual players who may or may not know all the nuances of their approved method(s) of acquiring isk. After over a year of being a good customer I am treated poorly. That is the bottom line. I dont care if I am 1 of 30,0000% of their income. I'll find something else to waste time and money on. do you have proof that alliances use real money to buy isk and then concure space?? of not stfu. to the rest of the ppl here defending the guy... stop buying isk or takeing "free" isk from someone... you might find yourself in negative wallet very soon if the isk has been bought. The fact that CCP knows alliances used real money to buy illigit isk and use it to finance wars is stated in their own posts regarding illegal isk trade. See this: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=744347 and more especially this: http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=550
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 17:47:00 - [166] So coolie, did or did you not buy isk? Or are you just complaining that you were treated poorly when you broke the rules? ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Rhaegor Stormborn Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:03:00 - [167] Originally by: Tarminic So coolie, did or did you not buy isk? Or are you just complaining that you were treated poorly when you broke the rules? Post with your main. Volition Cult Recruitment Post
Ceres Starshine Gallente Starshine Enterprises Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:37:00 - [168] Well i have the same situation. Loged in game and saw a minus wallet. I didnt do any illegal action to get isk. I can discuss any transaction in my wallet with a game master. The thing is I havent been warned or noone told me why that action took place. So who deciedes that an account has bought isk. What are the signs of an illegal transaction and Which of my transactions match that criteria. No explainations just grabing isk from my account is not good looking for a game company. Send away the isk buyers but dont hurt the legal players.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:46:00 - [169] Originally by: Ceres Starshine Well i have the same situation. Loged in game and saw a minus wallet. I didnt do any illegal action to get isk. I can discuss any transaction in my wallet with a game master. The thing is I havent been warned or noone told me why that action took place. So who deciedes that an account has bought isk. What are the signs of an illegal transaction and Which of my transactions match that criteria. No explainations just grabing isk from my account is not good looking for a game company. Send away the isk buyers but dont hurt the legal players. Best thing you can do in this situation is file a petition - GMs don't remove ISK reason or before investigating. Things you should ask yourself: -Have you purchased anything on the market for the amount that was removed? If so, what was it and was it at a reasonable price? -Have you received any donations recently? ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:48:00 - [170] Originally by: Ceres Starshine Well i have the same situation. Loged in game and saw a minus wallet. I didnt do any illegal action to get isk. I can discuss any transaction in my wallet with a game master. The thing is I havent been warned or noone told me why that action took place. So who deciedes that an account has bought isk. What are the signs of an illegal transaction and Which of my transactions match that criteria. No explainations just grabing isk from my account is not good looking for a game company. Send away the isk buyers but dont hurt the legal players. Aye, they don't say a word to you, they just take it. No email, no proof, no reasoning, just gone. Time to find a new game to play if it happens to you. Speak with your dollars and cancel your account if you do not like this sort of treatment.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:50:00 - [171] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Ceres Starshine Well i have the same situation. Loged in game and saw a minus wallet. I didnt do any illegal action to get isk. I can discuss any transaction in my wallet with a game master. The thing is I havent been warned or noone told me why that action took place. So who deciedes that an account has bought isk. What are the signs of an illegal transaction and Which of my transactions match that criteria. No explainations just grabing isk from my account is not good looking for a game company. Send away the isk buyers but dont hurt the legal players. Aye, they don't say a word to you, they just take it. No email, no proof, no reasoning, just gone. Time to find a new game to play if it happens to you. Speak with your dollars and cancel your account if you do not like this sort of treatment. Wouldn't they already have done that if they wanted to leave the game? ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:50:00 - [172] Originally by: GM Krymus Whilst of course there are situations where petitions should be escalated, if you have ISK removed and feel that it was done unfairly, your first point of contact is a GM1. Cases will only be able to be escalated after a full investigation has been performed regarding the case. You can read this knowledge base article for more information. Hang on... Originally by: YOU I can assure you that ISK is not removed without an investigation taking place beforehand Originally by: CCP Prism X Seriously, if you know you're totally innocent and did everything by the book; You should escalate a petition to a senior GM. He'll go over the entirity of your logs and take actions accordingly. Originally by: GM Guard If your friend feels we missed something and wants a second opinion from a Senior Game Master he is more than welcome to it. So, no ISK is removed before a case investigated, but you can't esculate it until it had been investigates, which it was before it was removed, but ... hang on, that's a circular arguement. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Ceres Starshine Gallente Starshine Enterprises Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:51:00 - [173] What i see is the donations i make to other players (All in my corp) are reversed. So I am selling isk to my corpmates i guess :)
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:54:00 - [174] Originally by: Ceres Starshine What i see is the donations i make to other players (All in my corp) are reversed. So I am selling isk to my corpmates i guess :) They probably looked at a pattern of transactions in your wallet that happened to match that of an ISK seller - petition it and I'd bet that you'll get it back. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Ceres Starshine Gallente Starshine Enterprises Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:56:00 - [175] I already petitioned it but it usualy takes 4 or 5 days to get an answer. will wait for it.
Ceres Starshine Gallente Starshine Enterprises Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 18:57:00 - [176] I already petitioned it but it usualy takes 4 or 5 days to get an answer. will wait for it with a minus account till that day.
Decarus Amarr Mind and Matter	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:00:00 - [177] I must have gone stupid from reading this all. I could have sworn you just said you were left in a minus after transactions where you gave ISK away were reversed.
helpmeconcord	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:01:00 - [178] i have had a simular thing happen were i loaned 500 mil isk to a friend who then payed me back....after a few months that guys account was found to have bought isk and i was deducted 500 mil isk.... so loan 500 mil isk that was gained by ratting and mining and then get it returned by the player the means how he got it are not my consirn as i dont have any way at all to check on it, i was only happy to get my isk back and then GM's took it. After some discutions on petitions with GMs and so a lead gm.... they provided me with a whole lot of useless links and explanations about isk buying and eula and all that crap..but again my isk...fair gained loaned out recieved back and then taken away by a gm only leaves me to observe and witness the lack of there logic in those cases.. go and deal with the source GMs and dont make victims out of people that gain there isk fair.
Ceres Starshine Gallente Starshine Enterprises Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:08:00 - [179] Well if the logic for CCP is remove the isk from whom we got suspicious, if they did illegal activity they wont do anythingş if they are innocent they will petition it is not a good idea. I am playing the game for fun. This thing ruined all my game experience and i am losing time to send petitions writing on forums other than playing.
Abrazzar	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:30:00 - [180] Somehow I start to belief that all those caught ISK buyers now crawl out of the woodwork and make up remotely unfair stories about getting ISK removed to let out their contemt at CCP for whipping them with their own skin after for illegal ISK transfers.... -------- Ideas for: Mining Clouds

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