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Calvin Firenze Department of Defence Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:31:00 - [181] I've seen cases myself where player A has 1bil or more removed from his wallet and claims a friend or his gf bought him a "birthday present." All of it is total bull**, of course. I don't know about everyone else, but if I log in to 1bil in my wallet more than I had when I logged off for the night, red lights would start flashing and I'd start scouring my transaction logs to see wtf I sold to make that kinda isk. Granted, this has never happened to me, but if anyone's gf is like mine, she has no clue what eve is about, all she sees it as is that waste of time with the pretty flashing lights that keeps me up all night. Also, if you have an ingame friend who would pay for 1bil or more isk for you, you should start worrying about a stalker. I'm such a terrible forum *, my login timed out while I was writing this. ____ Originally by:** Morrow Disca You sir/madam, need a big cup of STFU.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:31:00 - [182] CCP, it's obvious that you need to make a quick and easy change to the way your GM's operate. Do not deduct funds from a characters account without sending them an EVEmail notification A simple and quick: "Our logs show that on Tuesday March 17th you received 680million isk from character fwgsdty in an RMT. These funds have been removed" That would do it, don't you think? That would tell people what on earth was going on. If they were innocent of the charges, they'd at least know what the charges were and have something in hand to take to the GM. If they were guilty as charged, they'd be in awe of CCP's incredible sleuthing powers and go and sin no more.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:33:00 - [183] Originally by: Ulstan CCP, it's obvious that you need to make a quick and easy change to the way your GM's operate. Do not deduct funds from a characters account without sending them an EVEmail notification A simple and quick: "Our logs show that on Tuesday March 17th you received 680million isk from character fwgsdty in an RMT. These funds have been removed" That would do it, don't you think? That would tell people what on earth was going on. If they were innocent of the charges, they'd at least know what the charges were and have something in hand to take to the GM. If they were guilty as charged, they'd be in awe of CCP's incredible sleuthing powers and go and sin no more. This would be pretty good actually - of course I'm sure plenty of buyers would still file petitions and claim innocence, but it's better than mysteriously having ISK deducted from your wallet. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:38:00 - [184] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Ulstan CCP, it's obvious that you need to make a quick and easy change to the way your GM's operate. Do not deduct funds from a characters account without sending them an EVEmail notification A simple and quick: "Our logs show that on Tuesday March 17th you received 680million isk from character fwgsdty in an RMT. These funds have been removed" That would do it, don't you think? That would tell people what on earth was going on. If they were innocent of the charges, they'd at least know what the charges were and have something in hand to take to the GM. If they were guilty as charged, they'd be in awe of CCP's incredible sleuthing powers and go and sin no more. This would be pretty good actually - of course I'm sure plenty of buyers would still file petitions and claim innocence, but it's better than mysteriously having ISK deducted from your wallet. And where is CCP's proof for anything in the first place? Vague connections and log files which never show anything anyway?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:40:00 - [185] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn And where is CCP's proof for anything in the first place? Vague connections and log files which never show anything anyway? What would you propose? ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:45:00 - [186] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn And where is CCP's proof for anything in the first place? Vague connections and log files which never show anything anyway? What would you propose? Proof given to the person they accuse. Who does CCP think they are? The Gestapo? KGB?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:49:00 - [187] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Proof given to the person they accuse. Who does CCP think they are? The Gestapo? KGB? But how exactly can they provide "proof?" If they wanted to lie they could just falsify their logs or make them up. At which point you would demand a further level of proof until the only thing you'd be satisfied with is if they flew you to London and printed out the server logs directly from the facility. Also, invocation of Godwin's Law. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:54:00 - [188] Originally by: Tarminic But how exactly can they provide "proof?" Giev to kouncel to do it? --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Karentaki Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:12:00 - [189] To all the people saying they will cancel their <insert large number> accounts because of <insert general hate about CCP>: Can I have your stuff? ALSO: Posting in a Jenny thread :D On the other hand... Would you trust something with teeth but no eyes!?!?! Drainpipe of Doom pilot!
astowv Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:40:00 - [190] no need to play anymore. This thread won EvE...... ----
Cassandra Beckinsale	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:50:00 - [191] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: CCP Prism X I like these threads, they provide me with interesting logs to read when I'm bored. Seriously, if you know you're totally innocent and did everything by the book; You should escalate a petition to a senior GM. He'll go over the entirity of your logs and take actions accordingly. I call H4X on this post. The "dev" posted without a blue bar showing on the main page. Obviously something malfeasant is occurring. I'll be sending a mail to Internal Affairs shortly. Hope you understand that Internal Affair is TOTAL under control of CCP. So Internal Affair cannot absolutely acy against any CCP. Internal Affair has been created only to make you feel better.
Save You	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:02:00 - [192] I'm not sure how to escalate this to a "senior GM", but the reply I got instantly was a cookie cutter "I'm sure you would rather us take isk than ban you for something you din't do." I'm going to try and push this forward, hell I'm leaving for the middle east for a year in less than a month. Maybe they ban me, maybe not?
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:14:00 - [193] Edited by: Scavok on 10/04/2008 01:14:56 Originally by: Abrazzar Somehow I start to belief that all those caught ISK buyers now crawl out of the woodwork and make up remotely unfair stories about getting ISK removed to let out their contemt at CCP for whipping them with their own skin after for illegal ISK transfers.... These stories are extremely common, especially on private forums like goonswarm's where there is a huge amount of time card trade and discussions with GMs can be posted. Despite what they claim in this thread, CCP's policy is something along the lines of act first, don't explain anything, and ask questions later only if petitioned a few dozen times. Typically it's from people unknowingly selling GTCs to people who are purchasing isk, where the purchaser gets banned and the GTC seller who did everything perfectly legitimate gets punished with a transaction reversal. Sometimes it's more typical things like someone selling a character to an isk purchaser. A typical result is someone's character becomes completely unplayable with a negative wallet, the petition process takes weeks to months if you don't know anybody in iceland, and you certainly don't get your subscription time reimbursed.
Tim Bit	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:18:00 - [194] Originally by: Save You I'm not sure how to escalate this to a "senior GM", but the reply I got instantly was a cookie cutter "I'm sure you would rather us take isk than ban you for something you din't do." I'm going to try and push this forward, hell I'm leaving for the middle east for a year in less than a month. Maybe they ban me, maybe not? Say "I want to escalate this petition now" And then be prepared to wait 3 months for a senior GM to answer you. If it really bothers you and you're really innocent, and they really don't care to help you, cancel your account. Seriously. I probably would.
Col Romal	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:20:00 - [195] Edited by: Col Romal on 10/04/2008 01:20:24 I probably will sell the character at a discount to someone, I'm not going to be playing it anyways. I just know the last time I got out of eve I regretted it and wanted to get back in. I replied without asking for escalation yet, that will come next. Bah, wrong character. Oh well.
Thorradin State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:29:00 - [196] Originally by: Tchell Dahhn Originally by: Kerdrak Well, comparating EVE and RL: if you kill a guy in RL you end in jail. Not if he stole your jetcan full of ore. Pod the next guy who steals from your can and see if CONCORD let it slide.
Avaricia The Accursed	Posted - 2008.04.10 01:51:00 - [197] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr nerdrage explosion Anyone else feel like being clever? ooooo! ooooo! do me next! me me me! just try and collect your tears into this here cup for me to drink. reign of terror griefmatic
Zanpt Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.10 03:59:00 - [198] Originally by: Save You I'm not sure how to escalate this to a "senior GM", but the reply I got instantly was a cookie cutter "I'm sure you would rather us take isk than ban you for something you din't do." I'm going to try and push this forward, hell I'm leaving for the middle east for a year in less than a month. Maybe they ban me, maybe not? If a GM actually wrote that or something close to it, that is a GM who should be fired on the spot.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.04.10 04:48:00 - [199] Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 10/04/2008 01:19:42 Originally by: Abrazzar Somehow I start to belief that all those caught ISK buyers now crawl out of the woodwork and make up remotely unfair stories about getting ISK removed to let out their contemt at CCP for whipping them with their own skin after for illegal ISK transfers.... These stories are extremely common, especially on private forums like goonswarm's where there is a huge amount of time card trade and discussions with GMs can be posted. Despite what they claim in this thread, CCP's policy is something along the lines of act first, don't explain anything, and ask questions later only if petitioned a few dozen times. For goonswarm it's historically been most common for people to legitimately purchase a timecard and then unknowingly sell it to someone who purchased isk. The purchaser gets banned and the GTC seller gets the isk reversed, meaning he lost however much real life money he spent on the GTC. Sometimes it's more typical things like someone unknowingly selling a character to an isk purchaser. A typical result is someone's character becomes completely unplayable with a negative wallet, and after a few weeks or months of petitions, emails, and phone calls, the isk is then put back with an apology, but you certainly don't get your subscription time reimbursed. Oh come on. It's not hard to spot is it? fgdhdghsgs wants to buy GTCs by the 20 load? Nothing suspicious about that. Nosirree. People getting ISK deducted remind me of FPS players getting banned for h4Xing. It wasn't them. Their cousin did it. They have no idea. It's a false positive. OMG OMG the GMs are jerks and they were so reasonable in dealing with them. What do they say about prisons being full of "innocent" men? EVE RELATED CONTENT
The Socialworker Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:35:00 - [200] Edited by: The Socialworker on 10/04/2008 05:40:40 Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Ulstan CCP, it's obvious that you need to make a quick and easy change to the way your GM's operate. Do not deduct funds from a characters account without sending them an EVEmail notification A simple and quick: "Our logs show that on Tuesday March 17th you received 680million isk from character fwgsdty in an RMT. These funds have been removed" That would do it, don't you think? That would tell people what on earth was going on. If they were innocent of the charges, they'd at least know what the charges were and have something in hand to take to the GM. If they were guilty as charged, they'd be in awe of CCP's incredible sleuthing powers and go and sin no more. This would be pretty good actually - of course I'm sure plenty of buyers would still file petitions and claim innocence, but it's better than mysteriously having ISK deducted from your wallet. There is an obvious problem with this though. ISK buyers and sellers would very quickly work out which players and isk transfer methods were currently getting away with it, and which were currently 'hot'. Even if you did give details of times, players etc. a combination of jonny isk buyers wounded e-peen in front of his corpies, and a belief that there is no actual 100% proof, will mean that jonny will still escalate it and argue the toss that he is innocent and just very unlucky. Edit- I'm wispering, and it looks like I still am.
Batwigg	Posted - 2008.04.10 05:48:00 - [201] This thread is full of delicious ISK buyer tears. No guys, you did not receive that money from a friend who wanted to help you out in the game, and you did not sell some stuff to another dude who turned out to be a ISK seller. Stop lying to yourself. You went to a ISK selling website, put in your credit card details and your character name, and then told them how much you wanted. Stop trying to get some sympathy here, you are all lying, and you know it.
Durzel Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:40:00 - [202] Making people negative does seem kinda crappy though imo, at least if you reset them to 0 and they still had ammo or whatever they could work their way back up (slowly). If you're minus-whatever what choices do you have - cancel subscription or sell GTCs, that's basically it.
SeismicForce The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.10 06:47:00 - [203] Originally by: Durzel Making people negative does seem kinda crappy though imo, at least if you reset them to 0 and they still had ammo or whatever they could work their way back up (slowly). If you're minus-whatever what choices do you have - cancel subscription or sell GTCs, that's basically it. What good would that do? I buy a billion isk, buy a carrier and have 10,000 left over. By setting my wallet to 0 all I lose is 10k. No, the GM's remove the isk you received from the illegal transaction, and since you have probably already spent it, you land deep in red. Originally by: Allisie In a recent interview, a dev mentioned that ships and skills cause lag and will be removed in EVE 2.
Durzel Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.10 07:02:00 - [204] Edited by: Durzel on 10/04/2008 07:02:56 Originally by: SeismicForce Originally by: Durzel Making people negative does seem kinda crappy though imo, at least if you reset them to 0 and they still had ammo or whatever they could work their way back up (slowly). If you're minus-whatever what choices do you have - cancel subscription or sell GTCs, that's basically it. What good would that do? I buy a billion isk, buy a carrier and have 10,000 left over. By setting my wallet to 0 all I lose is 10k. No, the GM's remove the isk you received from the illegal transaction, and since you have probably already spent it, you land deep in red. Good point. I don't think it's necessarily safe to assume however that every situation is as clinical as this, and in situations where someone no longer has (either destroyed or otherwise lost) whatever it was they originally bought the net result is the same - they're screwed. I'm just playing Devils Advocate really - forcing someone to buy GTCs to get out of the hole seems almost like a racket, it would be more humane just to ban the recipient outright.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.10 07:02:00 - [205] Originally by: Durzel Making people negative does seem kinda crappy though imo, at least if you reset them to 0 and they still had ammo or whatever they could work their way back up (slowly). If you're minus-whatever what choices do you have - cancel subscription or sell GTCs, that's basically it. Don't do the crime if you can't pay the price. It's only fair that they should lose the isk they illegally bought. The harsh decision would be to remove the ISK and the assets that were bought after the illegal purchase of ISK ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.10 09:05:00 - [206] Originally by: Durzel Edited by: Durzel on 10/04/2008 07:02:56 Originally by: SeismicForce Originally by: Durzel Making people negative does seem kinda crappy though imo, at least if you reset them to 0 and they still had ammo or whatever they could work their way back up (slowly). If you're minus-whatever what choices do you have - cancel subscription or sell GTCs, that's basically it. What good would that do? I buy a billion isk, buy a carrier and have 10,000 left over. By setting my wallet to 0 all I lose is 10k. No, the GM's remove the isk you received from the illegal transaction, and since you have probably already spent it, you land deep in red. Good point. I don't think it's necessarily safe to assume however that every situation is as clinical as this, and in situations where someone no longer has (either destroyed or otherwise lost) whatever it was they originally bought the net result is the same - they're screwed. I'm just playing Devils Advocate really - forcing someone to buy GTCs to get out of the hole seems almost like a racket, it would be more humane just to ban the recipient outright. They're not forced to. They have the option to. They can also: Sell assets Receive donations from friends, either ISK or assets Scam Pirate Mine Quit CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Cruthensis Gallente Farmer Killers United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.10 10:18:00 - [207] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Giev to kouncel to do it? Jenny: what's WRONG with you?! You just seem to get weirder and more incoherent. It's "give". It's "council". And, if you mean the CSM, then I doubt they're going to be given unfettered access to the server logs to trace RMT-ISK sales. Oh why do I bother? 1. Buy Vexor 2. Fit for Gank 3. Suicide ISK farmer 4. Grind sec 5. see 1.
Barzam School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.04.10 10:24:00 - [208] Originally by: Cruthensis Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Giev to kouncel to do it? Jenny: what's WRONG with you?! You just seem to get weirder and more incoherent. Sold his account again, obviously. Why this account keeps passing from forum troll to forum troll all the time, I cannot imagine.
Poreuomai Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.10 10:59:00 - [209] Edited by: Poreuomai on 10/04/2008 11:12:36 Edited by: Poreuomai on 10/04/2008 10:59:47 Originally by: Scavok ... For goonswarm it's historically been most common for people to legitimately purchase a timecard and then unknowingly sell it to someone who purchased isk. The purchaser gets banned and the GTC seller gets the isk reversed, meaning he lost however much real life money he spent on the GTC. ... Well that would completely contradict the assurance given by GM Krymus which I quoted here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=744301&page=6#152
Zurrar	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:05:00 - [210] Originally by: Karentaki To all the people saying they will cancel their <insert large number> accounts because of <insert general hate about CCP>: Can I have your stuff? ALSO: Posting in a Jenny thread :D you win this one...

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