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Overwhelmed
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Posted - 2008.04.09 00:52:00 -
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You can make a twin forum alt with me and call it "Overreacted".
To be quick:
X amount of players subscribe for Y time. Regardless of GTCs traded, they pay the same amount. One person technically pays for more than one account on behalf of someone else.
No, the system can't be abused. If you've ever done a secure GTC trade, you don't receive the number; it adds the game time directly to your account so you can't resell it.
Tarminic already mentioned the other bad things RMTs can do, above all else inflation. EVE Online is the only MMORPG where if you convert the in-game currency to dollars, its the only game where a regular player can farm $4 or more per hour worth of currency. In other games, farmers flood the system so thoroughly that you'd be lucky to make 25 cents per hour.
There is no horrible harm done through this system. At its worst, you can think of it as a sketchy blackmarket quite appropriate to EVE. Maybe GTCs are "favors" in roleplaying terms or some kind of wicked drug only select few stumble across. There are a million ways to explain it away, none of which actually harm the economy. You'll also notice it bends quickly if people try to flood it. The rich guy with 20 GTCs usually had to lower them to bargain prices to get rid of them.
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Overwhelmed
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Posted - 2008.04.09 01:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Kyra Felann
IMO the primary difference between buying/selling GTCs and buying/farming ISK to sell straight up is that the people that make enough ISK to buy a GTC aren't making money off of it (at least not directly). They are getting game-time (which saves them RL money). There are farmers in every MMO in existence than farm money as their RL job. Buying a GTC for ISK is not the same. The money changes hands between players and CCP makes money from GTCs. Everyone's happy (except ISK sellers and apparently the whiner that started this thread).
He's apparently upset because its still an "unfair" transaction of ISK from one player to another; you know something that never happens in EVE otherwise. 
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Overwhelmed
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.09 14:11:00 -
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Edited by: Overwhelmed on 09/04/2008 14:10:52
You can tell who has ever worked a full time job by reading their "stance" on GTC sales... and that people assume ISK just converts to CCP's money as if they are printing it, I don't have the energy to start on that idiocy.
Every time someone says "you need to be smart to play EVE," I read these forums and get a nice chuckle.
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Overwhelmed
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.09 16:10:00 -
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Skunk, please use your powers of manipulating the sheep-masses with sensationalist prose for good, not evil.
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Overwhelmed
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.09 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Elaron
If you feel such outrage about the entire issue and feel that it is undermining the game to such a great degree, then the only thing you can do is quit, and tell CCP that it's why you quit. You could also use your rabble-rousing abilities to try and get other like-minded people to quit for the same reason.
In all honesty, the only way that you can force CCP to discontinue their support for this is to show them that they will lose more players with it in than without it.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Skunk never actually believed what he was saying. Calling it a "troll" would be brushing it off as too amateur. It almost looks like he has been taking some persuasion classes and applying it to a practice environment quite admirably - an "epic troll" if you will. |
Overwhelmed
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.10 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Fina
I'm concerned about that poeple
in Eve are getting an in game-advantage that they haven't earned and that it, in the end, can have a negative impact on me.
Haven't earned it? You are insinuating that people don't earn their money? Either you work, or I pay your subscription anyway because my taxes subsidize your 24/7 EvE career - or you're a child.
Face it, real life is going to interfere with the vision of an "isolated in-game world" no matter how you cut it:
People join MMORPGs already as friends (Goons, guilds/clans transferring from other games, RL friends) - this gives them an advantage.
Some people have more free time than others. Many have families, work two jobs to make ends meet, so forth, which gives pampered players with a suspicious amount of time to play "an unfair advantage."
So, some people prefer to trade to equalize their contributions to the game world - which, by the way, requires consent of both the GTC seller and buyer, CCP only said "We won't ban you, and we'll make it secure."
It is ultimately, a transfer of money between one character and another... sort of like when a friend joins.
And to the chosen few people who are lucky enough to be able to play EvE all day to get a leg up on others: be thankful for it, and blow your "cheater" morality out your ass.
Thanks.
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