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Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.09 19:53:00 - [1] This is my first time posting here. I have recently resubscribed to EVE after quite a long hiatus, and hopefully, this time it will stick. I was originally going to post this as a response in the topic referring to why we should all hate carebears, but it seemed to stray a little into other areas, so I thought, "better to start a new topic." The whole reason I got into EVE in the first place was because a player can feel as though he can make a true impact on the gaming world, unlike almost every other MMO, and lord knows I've tried some others. Unfortunately in my first two tries with this game, the only people I met were people who were either not motivated to have an impact, or wanted to have an impact, but had no plan. I found this quite frustrating, and left. After listening to the Drone Bay and Warp Drive Active podcasts, I was inspired to try again, and this time I've taken it upon myself to be proactive: I found a corp, but it was an extremely selective process, wherein I made sure to find someone who had similar ideas about how they wanted to play the game, and were willing to train me accordingly. I used to like the idea of RP in MMO, but in EVE it's completely unnecessary, because the very nature of the game ensures that you will be RPing whether you like it or not. Why? Because people actually CARE about things like piracy, anti-piracy, carebears, market fluctuations, war-decs, etc. They don't have to pretend to care, or figure out how their character would think. I think in this context, (the bad kind of) carebears could be described as being a bit ANTI-RP. By that I mean that they would much rather sit in a safe world and pretend that there aren't actual people out there who could very well kick their asses, both in game and in RL. I understand this mentality; I used to have it myself. Then I started playing HALO, and the whole attitude had to be chucked out the window. Why? Because with this attitude, as I think most people here would agree, you actually increase your chances of getting your ass kicked. Or you turn into one of the people who's hugely powerful from all his mission-running and everything, and he just needs to get his rocks off blowing the occasional helpless noob out of the sky for no reason, using his new 1 bil ship. Anyway, I think the principals of sound competetive gameplay apply across the board here: Play smart PLay humble Play scared, but don't be afraid to play scared Always check your six Never underestimate anyone Stay focused Have fun. Oh, and don't be an ass, either giving or receiving. This applies even if (especially if) someone has been an ass to you. Some of the scariest players (in any game) that I've ever encountered are the ones who may have just completely ravaged you, but then they'll say "good fight" or immediately begin talking about where you went wrong, etc.. In other words, come out of the shell, carebears! I used to be one, and I can tell you, it's a wonderful, bright world, full of people who will hand you your ass, along with a generous helping of advice. If all those principals are applied, one will actually improve, as in get better, not accumulate wealth for the sake of looking at it on your screen. I would define that as hording. Hording is for the ego Improvement is for the soul. Pirates have (mostly) learned this lesson. Of course, some of you are still ****s. :) Kudos, 'cause it's you guys that help make this world feel real. Guess that's all for now.
BobTeh	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:08:00 - [2] erm can i flame ? playing i kinda understand but maybe you could have made less big words and smaller sentances it all mixs into one..... and the big words.... but yes by being pirates we make everyone in the game rp cause they need to becarfull of us we are the mediater's did i ask to us smallers words like bit and go and shoot and red and blue..
BobTeh	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:09:00 - [3] p.s. welcome back it good to be back in the game eve is win dont play any other mmo's erm k?
Lord Rue Gallente GenX Societies Inc. Rejuvenate	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:24:00 - [4] Quote: words TL;DR version please? Devil bunnies! I snort the nose! Lucifer! Banana!
Tidas Andrommeda Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:27:00 - [5] Originally by: Lord Rue Quote: words TL;DR version please? Carebears need to smarten up and become more piraty? Thats the gist I got...I think. Originally by: cal nereus I like it when ships outrun missiles. It adds flavor to my soup. And by soup I mean gaming experience. And by flavor I mean "haha, you use missiles!"
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:32:00 - [6] Originally by: BobTeh maybe you could have made less big words and smaller sentances it all mixs into one..... and the big words.... did i ask to us smallers words like bit and go and shoot and red and blue.. :) How's this... Hey carebears! Eve's awesome! It's not you that make it awesome! Pirates make it awesome! Have a sex change and become men!
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:34:00 - [7] now that I've said that I should go back to big words and add this ammendment: It's not only pirates that are awesome, and mining can be awesome too. Just realize that mining should by no means be considered a low-risk operation. In fact, since miners are carrying the basic wealth of EVE, it might even be considered the highest risk op around.
BobTeh	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:36:00 - [8] no you got it all wrong if carebears became pirates how would i get my sec status back? they should get more balls and fly bigger ships so that we get more money or is that just selfish?
Haldeeman Minmatar BGG Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:41:00 - [9] Edited by: Haldeeman on 09/04/2008 20:43:07 Good post. What he means is that the people that play this game in its truist fashion - playing with other people be it in a 0.0 pew pew alliance, or a low sec piracy corp, or a high sec industrial corp are actually kind of role playing. and thinking about it - its true. im not talking about talking in a funny voice here 'all hail ye ********s' but 'sorry mate, you cannot move into our <hi sec/low sec/zero zero spac> because it will infringe on our means. Now die. <cue explosions, pew pew, subterfuge and fun - all the EVE is and is the reason why it is BETTER than all the other MMOs'> the carebears, whilst in my opinion seem to have a larger voice on the forums (probably cos they have more time to whine on forums than actually having fun on the game because they have not discovered the immersiveness of the game due to being focussed on the whole kill this get x ammount of money and LP '2d' version of eve) the vast majority of the game are pseudo roleplaying in eve. doing their thing, protecting their interests. thats what makes eve the best mmo out there. true sandbox - do what you will. build, claim or kill whoever. if you stand in my way, i will kill you regardless. no other mmo to my knowledge offers this. no safe havens here. truely awesome. despite the lag and desyncs :D
Absolom Hues Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:46:00 - [10] Captain Rommus... I was thinking a very similar comment when I saw your post. I likewise have been a Carebear in the past (and may still be in some pirates view)... but really unsure how to class myself now. Do I run missions? Yes..but it is for income to buy ships to fight pirates! I am in a corp that role plays... and we like to PvP. I am still learning, but PvP is a blast. In some ways I find that being "anti piracy" actually adds a challenge that many pirates don't face. When I am passing through low security, and I see a neutral I canÆt help but think ôif a pirate was flying here nowà.that would be a juicy targetö. I only shoot at the red guys, all neutrals and blue are no shoots. So unless I am shot at first, it does limit available PvP targetsà but hey, we are the good guys! Anywise...good comments. ----------------------\| Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you! \|--------------------
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:47:00 - [11] Originally by: Haldeeman Edited by: Haldeeman on 09/04/2008 20:43:07 Good post. What he means is that the people that play this game in its truist fashion - playing with other people be it in a 0.0 pew pew alliance, or a low sec piracy corp, or a high sec industrial corp are actually kind of role playing. and thinking about it - its true. im not talking about talking in a funny voice here 'all hail ye ********s' but 'sorry mate, you cannot move into our <hi sec/low sec/zero zero spac> because it will infringe on our means. right-o. In my opinion, RPing in EVE just adds an extra (and completely unnecessary) layer to what is already a truly immersive experience. And until CCP gets off it's tookus and starts making cool events again, "RP" in EVE will continue to be totally useless and laughable.
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.09 20:50:00 - [12] Originally by: Absolom Hues I am in a corp that role plays... and we like to PvP. I am still learning, but PvP is a blast. Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend with my comments on RP. I understand why folks do it, but if CCP's not going to really support it (like they used to by the way) then I'm gonna have nothing to do with it. There's enough real inter-corp (and inTRA-corp) drama to go around.
Absolom Hues Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Qwertial Rommus Originally by: Absolom Hues I am in a corp that role plays... and we like to PvP. I am still learning, but PvP is a blast. Sorry mate, didn't mean to offend with my comments on RP. I understand why folks do it, but if CCP's not going to really support it (like they used to by the way) then I'm gonna have nothing to do with it. There's enough real inter-corp (and inTRA-corp) drama to go around. Actually some of the stuff that CCP is developing right now will improve the Role Play in my opinion. Have you seen the information on the future release with stations and charactors? There will be rooms and offices at starbases, and a new charactor models. Also the develping stories of Concord and the 4 factions...may lead to changes that promote Role Play, such as faction wars and such. Anywise...no offense taken..but I do enjoy the role play. ----------------------\| Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you! \|--------------------
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:01:00 - [14] I think carebears are trying to rp penny pinching factory workers in space. Same thing every day mine some velds run the same mission everyday, monotony in space!
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:05:00 - [15] To add the biggest pvp gank squad ever was a rp guild in Mordred that might of even started ransoms and extortion in Online gaming.
Corrain	Posted - 2008.04.09 21:53:00 - [16] Edited by: Corrain on 09/04/2008 21:55:10 You were a carebear, but now that you're not, carebears suck. And a new way that they suck is that they don't roleplay as much as you think they should. Now that you're not a carebear, you can tell all the cool pirates in CnP that you hate carebears too, and they will like you. Or at least hate you less, and forgive the carebearness you've yet to forgive yourself of. Option: Rip off your rearview mirror, get your backside into low/null-sec, and stop obsessing over what carebears do if they really have it so wrong? But clearly, you like many others, are eaten up emotionally over how a portion of the populace plays the game, even though you are entirely free to leave them behind and play the way you claim to want to play. Why? Plenty of pew pew for you to go around. But in low and null-sec, there are a lot of people who don't fly shuttles and haulers, and might shoot back. Honestly, you sound like a low-sec carebear. A hi-sec one actually does face some risk, including but not limited to "ship go boom." The lowsec one never gets in fights because he spends all his efforts in avoiding them. Yet somehow still goes through the mental gymnastics needed to applaud himself for his "risky" gameplay and projects the "riskless" style onto others. You sound like a gatecamping carebear that's blaming others because not enough barges are coming through to gank. The fights, the action, the bravery, the adrenalin are all out there for you to claim at will. If you were happy with that style of play, you'd be doing it. Attempts at making a public show of deriding carebears while being obsessed with what they do and don't do seems to be a more creepy self-loathing than anything. Once you're figured out what your place is in EVE, you'll be able to let it go.
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:09:00 - [17] Corrain your a confusing alt you give credit in your last post for carebears atleast leaving low sec and in another your calling them frauds. Many much worse FFA games had alot of carebears playing them because they liked the risk.
Pseudo Sasaya	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Haldeeman the carebears, whilst in my opinion seem to have a larger voice on the forums (probably cos they have more time to whine on forums than actually having fun on the game because they have not discovered the immersiveness of the game due to being focussed on the whole kill this get x ammount of money and LP '2d' version of eve) the vast majority of the game are pseudo roleplaying in eve. doing their thing, protecting their interests. laugher larger voice? care-bares are second class citizens under CCP's model and even if they post a lot, they mostly get ignored in favor of 'stuff that blows up people who are playing EvE the 'wrong' way'. To be blunt, anyone who says 'we are the ones doing thing the TWUE way, others just don't get it!' really need to work on your EQ/empathy, because you are wrong. I've tried PvP, and found it pretty boring and pointless. To me what makes EvE actually interesting is the industrial side of it (which is a pretty rare element too). Thus I play the way that interests me ^_^
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:26:00 - [19] Quit rolling alts its getting annoying.
Northfire	Posted - 2008.04.10 11:00:00 - [20] Recent studies have shown that each time a carebear gets killed it was because he was alt-tabbed, whining on the forums on how much pirates suck.
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.10 13:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Corrain Edited by: Corrain on 09/04/2008 21:55:10 You were a carebear, but now that you're not, carebears suck. And a new way that they suck is that they don't roleplay as much as you think they should. Now that you're not a carebear, you can tell all the cool pirates in CnP that you hate carebears too, and they will like you. Or at least hate you less, and forgive the carebearness you've yet to forgive yourself of. You sound like a gatecamping carebear that's blaming others because not enough barges are coming through to gank. ...? Not quite sure who you're responding to here, but you seem to have both entirely missed the point of what I said, and added a completely unnecessary level of hostility to what was a fairly pleasant and civilized thread. Oh well.
Maximillian Power Minmatar Legio Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:05:00 - [22] but but but but... individuality... Your opinion is fine but colored by significant amounts of bias.
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.10 14:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Maximillian Power but but but but... individuality... Your opinion is fine but colored by significant amounts of bias. I know. Obviously, the coolest thing about eve is the you really can do what the hell you like. I really don't mean to offend anyone. I just think it's a shame that there are some new players who get sucked into a carebear corp without knowing any better, and then possibly get frustrated and leave the game... I dunno.
Avegh Brykk Amarr Khanid University	Posted - 2008.04.10 17:47:00 - [24] I view Eve this way; there are sheep and there are wolves. Carebears are the sheep, PvPers are the wolves , there are different breeds of sheep and wolves though. Quiet sheep who go about eating grass taking no notice of what goes on around them, bleating sheep in local who everybody notices and cunning sheep who try to stay out of view. These sheep all contibute, whether it's wool or meat for the wolves. The wolves have a sense of how things work, that's why they're wolves. On the rp side of things, have you noticed there's a new article from ISD almost every day, I think they're gearing up to something.
Qwertial Rommus	Posted - 2008.04.10 18:04:00 - [25] Originally by: Avegh Brykk I view Eve this way; there are sheep and there are wolves. Carebears are the sheep, PvPers are the wolves , there are different breeds of sheep and wolves though. Quiet sheep who go about eating grass taking no notice of what goes on around them, bleating sheep in local who everybody notices and cunning sheep who try to stay out of view. These sheep all contibute, whether it's wool or meat for the wolves. The wolves have a sense of how things work, that's why they're wolves. On the rp side of things, have you noticed there's a new article from ISD almost every day, I think they're gearing up to something. Yeah, I think they're getting ready to give us some material to really make ambulation something special. Hope so, hope so.
Disunity Gallente Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:03:00 - [26] These threads bore me, who do you think builds your ships and supply you with ammo. Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.04.10 22:51:00 - [27] It never fails..the man makes a wonderful point and the first half of the responses are confused or think he meant carebears need to be 'piraty'. All in all, many goods points by the OP.
Vasili vonHolst Minmatar Gargamel's Lair	Posted - 2008.04.11 03:48:00 - [28] Wall of text for the loss. ------------------------------------------------ Movie: + Trillion ISK damage to Care Bear community
MirrorGod Heretic Army	Posted - 2008.04.11 04:09:00 - [29] Edited by: MirrorGod on 11/04/2008 04:10:09 You sir, get "it" Also, I came to this game after developing custom maps and generally being part of the Halo: Custom Edition community. Gave me a good mentality, and even tho I started out missioning I still kind of came out with that dog-eat-dog mentality to some extent. Eve really has the best environment, almost anything is a legal game mechanic, you can scam, thieve, decieve, cheat, ransom, blackmail and manipulate your way to the top and it's completely allowed by CCP. I couldn't imagine being in a game like WoW where ripping off another player is a banable offense. Eve is a game of darwinism, and that's why it gets my fiteen a month. Originally by: Disunity These threads bore me, who do you think builds your ships and supply you with ammo. It's not -our- ships and supplies and ammo until we make you explode and take it.
SlowMovingFisherman Minmatar I Eatz Ur Baconz	Posted - 2008.04.11 09:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Disunity These threads bore me, who do you think builds your ships and supply you with ammo. lol obiviously not you or there would be no pirates. and if you do, your taking a chance that your product might kill you, not a smart move mr.buisness man.

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