One of the major faults with the current system is one that has been around the block on many forums since the game first launched; that of new players never being able to catch up with the veterans and this puts a lot of people off playing the game.

I myself know three players that actually login to the game no more than a couple of times a month; each time for a few minutes to check their training queue and market.

Changing the system would allow players who actually play to catch up and remove that obstacle.

Who would this measure upset? The people who play the game in the free time afforded by their real life.

About 4 seconds after this went live, some people would be macrobotting skills, and "powerlevelling" services would sprout up like mushrooms. "veteran" players are at least as capable of doing this as new players - in fact they're probably more capable, since they're more likely to have multiple accounts and they'll be able to leave whichever ones they're not using right now macroskilling away. A classic demonstration of Malcanis' Law in action.

So yeah no, I'm not enthusiastic.

One of the biggest attractions of EVE is that you can spend your game time achieving your goals, rather than having to grind skills. You're still stuck in the skinner box of thinking that "leveling" your character as the goal, rather than increasing skills to use as a tool to attain those goals. It's understandable, since in almost all other MMO, you can only 'win' by maximising numbers on your character sheet, because no-one gives a crap that you're the 13,896,514th guy to kill Naxia or whatever. Try and jettison that thinking.

It's incredible to me that you've finally found a game which frees you from the grindmill of "levelling" and yet you actually want to climb right back on it.

This of course would still require the automatic logout feature to prevent it from being exploited.

Sounds like a wonderful way to turn EVE into space-wow.

You know what happens to wow clones, right?

you missed this bit

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This of course would still require the automatic logout feature to prevent it from being exploited...

Who would this measure upset? The people that login for two minutes a month to set the training queue and those that use afk bots or exploits.

Who would benefit? The people who actually play the game.

Get rid of out of game skill training. ...(snip)... One of the major faults with the current system is one that has been around the block on many forums since the game first launched; that of new players never being able to catch up with the veterans and this puts a lot of people off playing the game.

I myself know three players that actually login to the game no more than a couple of times a month; each time for a few minutes to check their training queue and market. Changing the system would allow players who actually play to catch up and remove that obstacle.

A danger to this of course is that people could just leave their toons logged in all day so I would also propose an automatic logout after 60 minutes of innactivity, perhaps with a warning popup that if not cancelled will result in the logout. This would also take care of a number of other issues such as mining bots etc.

Who would this measure upset? The people that login for two minutes a month to set the training queue and those that use afk bots or exploits.

Who would benefit? The people who actually play the game.

One of the major faults with the current system is one that has been around the block on many forums since the game first launched; that of new players never being able to catch up with the veterans and this puts a lot of people off playing the game.

I see nothing wrong with rewarding people for the work they put in; if someone works twice as hard as me then they should have twice the reward. Wouldn't we all love it if we could sit at home all day watching TV and still collect our pay-cheques at the end of the month? and this is exactly what the current skill system allows you to do. Instead we have to go to work to get that pay and that is a good thing because if we all stayed home the world would grind to a halt. I am open to better ideas if anyone has any.

The example with the rifter was hilarious ( keep the noobs in crappy frigates they don't deserve to be as l33t as me ).

GǪ but how about doubling the speed at which skills train when you are logged in? This of course would still require the automatic logout feature to prevent it from being exploited.

Generic terribad crap idea.

so what happens if i go on a vacation and cant play eve. do i lose all my skillpoints for that period? and there is a way for new players to catch up. its called farm isk and buy a character. only change to skills i would like to see is being able to update skills from a smartphone app. you can already check your mail and stuff so idk why you cant update skills. say your at work and your skill que goes down thats lost points. but who am i to make suggestions.

so what happens if i go on a vacation and cant play eve. do i lose all my skillpoints for that period? and there is a way for new players to catch up. its called farm isk and buy a character. only change to skills i would like to see is being able to update skills from a smartphone app. you can already check your mail and stuff so idk why you cant update skills. say your at work and your skill que goes down thats lost points. but who am i to make suggestions.

so what happens if i go on a vacation and cant play eve. do i lose all my skillpoints for that period?

Look Ma...its a bitter-bought-toon ####ing about skills!

PS: My thougths echo every-one-else that says nay for this foolish obscenely stupid proposal.

Fine the idea didn't go down well, I can live with that as this is afterall a place for discussion. What I will not live with is tossers like you assuming that this is a bought toon. I remember fighting through MoO jetcan blockades, high value ores in high sec belts, taking the time to set waypoints 10km past the gates as we had no warp to 0 function, a time when it was considered an achievment to get a cruiser instead of isk falling out of cornflake boxes as it does now so STFU; if you have nothing constructive to add to a discussion then don't add anything.

All you've done is quote common knowledge.

Sorry...but we're not buying it.

Those who have such high numbers of SP's wouldn't propose an obviously stupid/faulty idea.

Especially with a horrid gap in employment history.

The fact you feel so strongly about it and telling me to "STFU" llke some 3 year old is proof enough.

Either you learn to live with the skills you trained (or bought for that matter) or you STFU right back.

I don't see any other legitimate old timers throwing a damned fit about their choices...so why do you have a problem with it self proclaimed expert?

Get over yourself....

The skill system in this game is a one of a kind...its what sets it apart from all others. We don't need someone turning it into WOW with prophecies of doom and gloom and people leaving the game....complete and utter BS that is.

BTW - everyone else is waiting on your answer to explain your terribad idea.... since your so quick to answer my little post....well that just tells a bit more don't it.

You obviously have a problem reading as well. As I stated, the fact that my idea didn't go down too well with the majority of people that posted is fine; life would be a little boring if we all agreed on everything. It is people like you that obviously have no ideas of your own either valid or otherwise who decide to post in these threads just to throw accusations, insults and whatever other garbage you can find in that miniscule brain at those who are at least attempting to be constructive.

If you don't know what constructive means I'll help you out. If you see an idea here that you either like or dislike then post and state your reasons one way or the other and move on; If your post recieves a counter argument then again answer in a constructive manner, it's called intelligent discussion; or do you have a problem with that?

I don't post ideas because they are crap. (and yes I have posted a couple....)

But I can smell a crappy idea when I see one....and I smell one right here.

I have yet to see you answer everyone Else's arguments....keep on crying those tears.

Well, an active skill training system does work in darkfall,

So are you saying that pre-nge SWG was a WoW clone? No it was a sandbox and one fondly remembered by those vets that played it; skill based and no out of game skill increases.

I will attempt to avoid the negativity in the thread, and try to point out why your idea is misguided. The idea at it's core is based on two views that are fundamentally flawed : skills make a huge difference, and bigger is better. These are both woefully wrong, but are, unfortunately, views that are held by most of the players that try starting an Eve character. What separates a successful, happy Eve character from someone who quits early on (and the bittervets) is that successful players have separated themselves from this viewpoint. You obviously have not, which means you are either a new player (as some in this thread are professing), or you are one of the paradoxical old players who for some reason continue to play a game that they fundamentally do not enjoy.

Any new player who jumps into the game with the mentality from other MMOs will fail. There is no "endgame," and there is no grind between you and actually playing the game. I feel this is something that gets ignored a lot. Since I'm tired of typing "other MMOs," I'm just going to say WoW, since it's what everyone's thinking anyway. With a new WoW player with a freshly bought game, you cannot do anything other than be led around from quest to quest, and you cannot play with any friends until you reach max level. The leveling experience is nothing but a grind, you have to pay your dues, so to speak, in order to unlock the real game. For someone who knows the game and knows the most efficient leveling path, that is 5 days of played time. For a new player who doesn't know how things work, that can easily double, but let's pretend it's 5 days played time. For someone who can log in two hours a day (which is probably about average, the basement virgin 12 hours a day dudes are offset by the huge numbers who can only play on weekends), this means 60 days, or two months before you can even play the real game. At this point it is at least another 3 days played time, probably more, before you grind out enough gear to participate in whatever raid or PvP that your friends are doing (well, you can do the PvP, but until you get the gear you will literally die after five steps). That adds about another month, giving us effectively three months before the average player can really do much with his friends. Now, those friends can take pity on the newbie and run him through heroics to farm his gear, effectively carrying him, so let's ignore the gearing up portion and say two months.

Why did I lay that all out? Because it's important. Eve offers new players the unique opportunity to do ALMOST whatever they want within a couple days of playing. Yes, high-end PvE content, such as Incursions, Wormholes, or L4 missions will not be doable, but each of these are only better ways to make isk anyway. As someone earlier pointed out, it takes very, very little time to be a useful member of a PvP gang. Within a few hours of creating your character you could have a frigate fit with point, web, and MWD, making you a tackler. These are always useful members of a fleet. Within no more than 5 days you can have most skills relevant to a PvP frigate to level 3 or 4, giving you a solid frigate that can even contribute a bit of dps while tackling. This is an opportunity UNAVAILABLE in other MMOs, and unfortunately, because new players are so used to how other MMOs work, they don't avail themselves of this opportunity. The assumption amongst new players generally seems to be that if you can't fly a BS you won't be useful, which is patently false, but unless someone explains otherwise that's what you'll keep believing. For the lucky few that figure it out, the universe opens up. You can do whatever you want to do pretty much right from the start, as long as your goals are realistic (much like real life, really).

What's all of this mean? Changing the skill system accomplishes nothing is what it means. As was repeatedly pointed out, the best auto-logout function that CCP could build can be circumvented easily with even a rudimentary understanding of script writing. So, effectively, such a change does nothing to benefit anyone, but will harm players who are unable or unwilling to write (or download) a simple script that keeps their character logged in while they're off at work or asleep. The only change that would actually accomplish anything would be to remake the skill system into a grind-based system that gives you SP for doing tasks (basically an exp system from other MMOs), and I can guarantee you that such a change would murder Eve so quickly that CCP won't even have time to ask what happened.

Eve need smart player. But a lot of new player stop EVE because, it's they stupid/impatient to begin.