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Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 06:06:00 - [1] - Quote is it worth it? Ive recently moved back to hisec from 0.0 and I know all about hulk perma-tanking rats but this is a bit of a different story. I suspect theres no way I can avoid a gank from a well fit tornado but how about a stupid caracal (thats what happened to me yesterday). is recharging worth it or only go for extenders? is faction fitting worth it at all? i suspect it may just make my day worse? I can get anywhere from 13-22k EHP depending on fit and anywhere from 60-180 EHP HP/s recharge. so thoughts? will the extender fit at least make the caracal a good laugh? and dont say just quit mining, i know its not profitable but i enjoy it (kind of a zen like meditation thing). I have other ways of making ISK.
Captian FruitLoop Lessor of Two Evils 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 08:45:00 - [2] - Quote [Hulk, My Hulk] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Micro Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Cargohold Optimization I STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE EHP: 21,569 Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4 Cargo Size: 9,200M3 Cap Stable at 51% Overheating Adds 882EHP This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:50:00 - [3] - Quote You have been destroyed by a Caracal? All that counts in HiSec to resist as good as possible a suicide Gank is EHP! If you are wardecced this is another story, but in that case you should not undock your mining ship anyway. Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you. Something you can do for example: [Hulk, Tank] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II (which I think is still necessary too not loose to much mining amount) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I maybe a Power Diagnostic System or dropping Survey Scanner for another shield hardener may give more hp. I'm not quite sure, but you can reach 30k EHP with Orca booster and Implants. Just haven 15k and more should be good enough in most cases, because you will resist at least one single attack. But as one person who has destroyed some hulks already: Do not fit a shield booster! Every Hulk with a shield booster is an easy target, even for low skilled gankers. And in HiSec you can tank all NPCs with below standard Buffer Hulk w/o any problems: [Hulk, Tank] Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II / Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote Captian FruitLoop wrote: [Hulk, My Hulk] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Micro Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Cargohold Optimization I STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE EHP: 21,569 Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4 Cargo Size: 9,200M3 Cap Stable at 51% Overheating Adds 882EHP This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated This gives REALLY low yield. And it's 'out the window' anyway with Smartbombs, which has become de rigeur as of late. Stripper II's, Upgrade II in the Lows, and having another toon in Fleet using Med Shield Rep Drones on you is good enough for anything but the Smartbombs......and MUCH higher yield. This is what I call a paranoid tank...overprepared for the least, and underprepared for the worst. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:24:00 - [5] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you. THIS. True....much less a Small Booster as presented above. The 2 Invuls are your best hope. The V-braced Invulns are good for saving some CPU as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:41:00 - [6] - Quote im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats. I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter. this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid. 22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb? I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss. thoughts? [Hulk, hihulk fit] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Zathryon wrote: im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats. I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter. this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid. 22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb? I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss. thoughts? [Hulk, hihulk fit] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I The 10% tiny shield resist from the Damage Control is not going to help in the situations Hulks find themselves in. May as well just put the 2nd Upgrade II in the Low slot. The 2 Regolith shields are only adding a total of 450 HP to Shields. Keep one if you must, but you really do need a Survey Scanner on a Hulk. Also, it's OK to have an empty mid-slot.......... Now, tanking a legitimate non-botting Mackinaw....there is ADVENTURE TIME. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 125	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote Buffer. Buffer buffer buffer buffer. Suicide ganks rely on pure alpha. Resisting them relies on being able to deal with burst damage, rather than nullsec rat damage over time. So, extenders, resists, CORE SKILLS TO V, implants, all aim for resist or buffer. Also, pick up support skills to add HP. If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. Sod yield, go for max resists. Invulns/extenders in the mids, DC2 and PDU in the lows. Shield extend or resist rigs. Group up! Use shield maintenance drones on each other! Put warfare links on the orca! Tank the orca, too, and give them shield drones as well! Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you.
Monty Kvaran Criminal Intentions En Garde 26	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Since when are there hull drones?
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:09:00 - [10] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, go ELSEWHERE. Much simpler advice than all that yield reducing shielding. Skorpynekomimi wrote: Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you. THIS......will not help at all. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote Monty Kvaran wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Since when are there hull drones? Skorpy posts lots of nonsense. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Gahagan White Moon Aeronautics 14	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:15:00 - [12] - Quote I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good. Highs: 3x Mod Strip II Mids: Invuln II EM Screen II Kin Screen II Lows: DC II MLU II Rigs: Medium Anti-EM Medium Anti-Therm Gives around 19k EHP and low to mid 80s for all resists with tank running. Yield is around 1400 m3 with T1 crystals. If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier. Sorry for not posting a pretty format. At work and don't have access to fancyfits.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote Gahagan wrote: I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good. And you STILL bothered to post a useless fit ? And have NO testing of it on the field. Great advice here.....NOT When you assume........(you know the rest). Gahagan wrote: If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier. And if those High Sec rats are eating more than even 1/20th (yes, one twentieth) of your Shield, something is fundamentally wrong somewhere already. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:50:00 - [14] - Quote [Hulk, Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Cap Recharger II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone I x5 This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats. It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system.
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on. I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca. i think this is the best ive come up with [Hulk, hisec] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4 21.7k EHP I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance. thoughts?
TravisWB Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.02.28 00:56:00 - [16] - Quote HISEC Hulk Tanking???? Its done like this: Forget about AFK MINING. Stay alert, keep moving, don't stay in any system long enough to be predictable. Keep your cargo empty and when trouble approaches, park your Hulk in the Orca you brought along and bring out a HAC or something.
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.28 07:55:00 - [17] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: [Hulk, Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Cap Recharger II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone I x5 This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats. It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system. I would have blown your ship away in one run for sure! That it resists the Brutix just tells me, that the pilot of the Brutix failed completely, like you failed with this fitting as being good against suicidegankers. You just have been lucky because your Brutix (if this really happened) opponent had no clue what he is doing. I repeat: NEVEREVER fit a sield booster in HiSec. There is no need for it. A Buffer Hulk can tank any NPC Rat spawn in HiSec and a Shield Booster just reduce your EHP as it occupies a medium slot! Travis just gave another good advice: If you are afraid to beining ganked, do not mine afk and be careful where you mine.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 509	Posted - 2012.02.28 08:22:00 - [18] - Quote This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca. I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats. You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier. [Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Vespa EC-600 x5
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:00:00 - [19] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: [Hulk, Hulk] Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Excellent tank but for this. Needs the EM Shield rig in one of these spots. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:04:00 - [20] - Quote Zathryon wrote: I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on. I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca. i think this is the best ive come up with [Hulk, hisec] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4 21.7k EHP I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance. thoughts? As I pointed out in the post above, one of those Rigs should be the EM resist rig. That will free up that mid slot. Your choice what to put there, better choices if you have the 5% CPU implant as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:06:00 - [21] - Quote TravisWB wrote: HISEC Hulk Tanking???? Its done like this: Forget about AFK MINING. This. True, and the best advice. It's astonishing the number of posts with a noob questioning at some point to the effect of ".....and for some AFK mining should I tank with.....", etc. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:10:00 - [22] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca. I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats. You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier. [Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II [Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Celgar Thurn Department 10 22	Posted - 2012.02.28 16:10:00 - [23] - Quote Hmmm. It all depends on the 'quality' of the suicide ganker/s and if they know what they are doing. I had a Retriever survive a suicide gank from a destroyer a while back in Ammatar space before Concord saved the day. Recently I had a Hulk with about 9000 EHP survive a suicide gank from a different pilot in a destroyer. Ideally you want as much EHP on your mining vessel as possible without damaging your yield. You should be fine in the 13,000 to 22,000 EHP with a single dessie attack. As others have said keep an eye on local if you are worried. Know your local space scum and stay aligned. Current top tip for the wary: Uttindar in Minmatar high sec - The asteroid belts are currently patrolled here by a two pilot 'frigate & dessie' team. I don't have their names to hand. I personally advise you don't mine in this system. At least one failed & one successful suicide gank perpetrated by this team. Members of NPC corp 'The Scope'.
PvtColt University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:13:00 - [24] - Quote I believe somewhere was a thread where some guy proposed to create an alt, put this alt in a rookie ship, fly it on the belt and then shoot your hulk. Your Hulk will easily tank this shooting and Concord will destroy your alt, but after it Concord stays on the belt and you don't need to wait it for 15 sec if ganker will attack you
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 509	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:43:00 - [25] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... The fit is provided as an option for those seeking a higher EHP fitting, as I believe it is better than the previously posted small extender fits. Unlike many people, I try not to recommend fits I've only EFT warrior-ed, so I disclosed that fact. I've not used it because I prefer to be able to swap out the PDU in my hisec fitting for a wstab when mining in w-space; it has saved my Hulks. I can't do that with the EHP fit as the APC is required to fit the medium extender. There are no suicide alpha-ganks in w-space, so I fit the PDU when in hisec to give a few more HP, as a hull reinforcement module won't fit. If you prefer a less durable but higher yield MLU fit, I certainly won't stop you. The choice is yours.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:43:00 - [26] - Quote PvtColt wrote: I believe somewhere was a thread where some guy proposed to create an alt, put this alt in a rookie ship, fly it on the belt and then shoot your hulk. Your Hulk will easily tank this shooting and Concord will destroy your alt, but after it Concord stays on the belt and you don't need to wait it for 15 sec if ganker will attack you Erm...just have the Rookie Ship shoot a can. Less of a Sec hit than shooting a ship. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:52:00 - [27] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis ??????? _______________________________ Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets _______________________________ I see no built-in MLU unless I'm REALLY blind or something. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Frontman 242 I Robot Me Tarzan 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote best protection fer hulkz iz not buying 1
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 126	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis ??????? _______________________________ Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets _______________________________ I see no built-in MLU unless I'm REALLY blind or something. You must really be blind!
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:27:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: Current top tip for the wary: Uttindar in Minmatar high sec - The asteroid belts are currently patrolled here by a two pilot 'frigate & dessie' team. I don't have their names to hand. I personally advise you don't mine in this system. At least one failed & one successful suicide gank perpetrated by this team. Members of NPC corp 'The Scope'. Long ago, I survived two or three ss gank attacks in a max-tanked retriever (during one of the hulk-aggedons) in Utti, but then one of the earlier 'failures' came back in a cruiser and succeeded. All in all, it was quite fun. If I had been smart, I would have had at least one combat drone, so I would have gotten a kill, but alas, that was long ago and I knew not better. Anyway, maybe I will have to try again....a nice command ship in system helps a lot too, so maybe I will add that this time . As for the person suggesting that you 'call' concord via an intentional ss gank - my understanding (completely untested but read multiple times) is that an entirely new wave of Concord ships will spawn for each incident of aggression while any in the area will just toddle about. Now, their presence may dissuade would be gankers, but not sure.

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