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Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 06:06:00 - [1] - Quote is it worth it? Ive recently moved back to hisec from 0.0 and I know all about hulk perma-tanking rats but this is a bit of a different story. I suspect theres no way I can avoid a gank from a well fit tornado but how about a stupid caracal (thats what happened to me yesterday). is recharging worth it or only go for extenders? is faction fitting worth it at all? i suspect it may just make my day worse? I can get anywhere from 13-22k EHP depending on fit and anywhere from 60-180 EHP HP/s recharge. so thoughts? will the extender fit at least make the caracal a good laugh? and dont say just quit mining, i know its not profitable but i enjoy it (kind of a zen like meditation thing). I have other ways of making ISK.
Captian FruitLoop Lessor of Two Evils 0	Posted - 2012.02.27 08:45:00 - [2] - Quote [Hulk, My Hulk] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Micro Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Cargohold Optimization I STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE EHP: 21,569 Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4 Cargo Size: 9,200M3 Cap Stable at 51% Overheating Adds 882EHP This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.27 11:50:00 - [3] - Quote You have been destroyed by a Caracal? All that counts in HiSec to resist as good as possible a suicide Gank is EHP! If you are wardecced this is another story, but in that case you should not undock your mining ship anyway. Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you. Something you can do for example: [Hulk, Tank] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II Invulnerability Field II Survey Scanner II (which I think is still necessary too not loose to much mining amount) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I maybe a Power Diagnostic System or dropping Survey Scanner for another shield hardener may give more hp. I'm not quite sure, but you can reach 30k EHP with Orca booster and Implants. Just haven 15k and more should be good enough in most cases, because you will resist at least one single attack. But as one person who has destroyed some hulks already: Do not fit a shield booster! Every Hulk with a shield booster is an easy target, even for low skilled gankers. And in HiSec you can tank all NPCs with below standard Buffer Hulk w/o any problems: [Hulk, Tank] Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II Expanded Cargohold 2 / Mining Laser Upgrade II Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Small Shield Extender II / Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II / Mining Crystal II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:22:00 - [4] - Quote Captian FruitLoop wrote: [Hulk, My Hulk] Damage Control II Reinforced Bulkheads II Invulnerability Field II Micro Shield Extender II Small Shield Booster II Cap Recharger II (Drop this for Poacher Photon Scattering Field if you don't afk mine, just turn off shield booster when it's not needed) Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Strip Miner I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Medium Cargohold Optimization I STATS ARE WITH MY SKILLS AND ORCA PILOT RUNNING T2 SHIELD HARMONY MODULE EHP: 21,569 Resists: EM-66.7 Therm-79.3 Kin-80 EXP-81.4 Cargo Size: 9,200M3 Cap Stable at 51% Overheating Adds 882EHP This can tank most any cruiser, and even some BC's while your afk and not overheated This gives REALLY low yield. And it's 'out the window' anyway with Smartbombs, which has become de rigeur as of late. Stripper II's, Upgrade II in the Lows, and having another toon in Fleet using Med Shield Rep Drones on you is good enough for anything but the Smartbombs......and MUCH higher yield. This is what I call a paranoid tank...overprepared for the least, and underprepared for the worst. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 348	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:24:00 - [5] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Neverever use a Shield Booster! It will not save your your ship if somebody is trying to suicide gank you. THIS. True....much less a Small Booster as presented above. The 2 Invuls are your best hope. The V-braced Invulns are good for saving some CPU as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 14:41:00 - [6] - Quote im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats. I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter. this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid. 22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb? I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss. thoughts? [Hulk, hihulk fit] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 15:15:00 - [7] - Quote Zathryon wrote: im just used to using faction boosters for tanking 0.0 rats. I use t2 strips so my fits are already a bit tighter. this is what I was thinking. 22.3k EHP and its not that expensive. totally fills out cpu and grid. 22k ehp still wont last the 15 seconds it takes for CONCORD to get there against a smartbomb? I was also thinking of fitting shield rep drones on each one. Im not willing to put my Orca in the belt to put larger drones on the hulks, im not going to turn a hulk loss into an Orca loss. thoughts? [Hulk, hihulk fit] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I The 10% tiny shield resist from the Damage Control is not going to help in the situations Hulks find themselves in. May as well just put the 2nd Upgrade II in the Low slot. The 2 Regolith shields are only adding a total of 450 HP to Shields. Keep one if you must, but you really do need a Survey Scanner on a Hulk. Also, it's OK to have an empty mid-slot.......... Now, tanking a legitimate non-botting Mackinaw....there is ADVENTURE TIME. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 125	Posted - 2012.02.27 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote Buffer. Buffer buffer buffer buffer. Suicide ganks rely on pure alpha. Resisting them relies on being able to deal with burst damage, rather than nullsec rat damage over time. So, extenders, resists, CORE SKILLS TO V, implants, all aim for resist or buffer. Also, pick up support skills to add HP. If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. Sod yield, go for max resists. Invulns/extenders in the mids, DC2 and PDU in the lows. Shield extend or resist rigs. Group up! Use shield maintenance drones on each other! Put warfare links on the orca! Tank the orca, too, and give them shield drones as well! Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you.
Monty Kvaran Criminal Intentions En Garde 26	Posted - 2012.02.27 19:41:00 - [9] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Since when are there hull drones?
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:09:00 - [10] - Quote Skorpynekomimi wrote: If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, greed will get you killed. If you know you're likely to be ganked in that system, go ELSEWHERE. Much simpler advice than all that yield reducing shielding. Skorpynekomimi wrote: Of course, by far the best tank is to have a station around you. THIS......will not help at all. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:12:00 - [11] - Quote Monty Kvaran wrote: Skorpynekomimi wrote: Keep some armour and hull drones around to help with post-gank repairs, too. Since when are there hull drones? Skorpy posts lots of nonsense. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Gahagan White Moon Aeronautics 14	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:15:00 - [12] - Quote I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good. Highs: 3x Mod Strip II Mids: Invuln II EM Screen II Kin Screen II Lows: DC II MLU II Rigs: Medium Anti-EM Medium Anti-Therm Gives around 19k EHP and low to mid 80s for all resists with tank running. Yield is around 1400 m3 with T1 crystals. If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier. Sorry for not posting a pretty format. At work and don't have access to fancyfits.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.27 20:23:00 - [13] - Quote Gahagan wrote: I go for a more resist-oriented fit. I can't vouch for how gank-resistant it is, nobody has done me the honor, but I'd assume it's pretty good. And you STILL bothered to post a useless fit ? And have NO testing of it on the field. Great advice here.....NOT When you assume........(you know the rest). Gahagan wrote: If you're highsec mining I'd suggest drones, as belt rats can gnaw away a bit of shield and make ganks easier. And if those High Sec rats are eating more than even 1/20th (yes, one twentieth) of your Shield, something is fundamentally wrong somewhere already. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Julien Brellier Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 21:50:00 - [14] - Quote [Hulk, Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Cap Recharger II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone I x5 This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats. It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system.
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.27 23:22:00 - [15] - Quote I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on. I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca. i think this is the best ive come up with [Hulk, hisec] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4 21.7k EHP I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance. thoughts?
TravisWB Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 18	Posted - 2012.02.28 00:56:00 - [16] - Quote HISEC Hulk Tanking???? Its done like this: Forget about AFK MINING. Stay alert, keep moving, don't stay in any system long enough to be predictable. Keep your cargo empty and when trouble approaches, park your Hulk in the Orca you brought along and bring out a HAC or something.
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.28 07:55:00 - [17] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: [Hulk, Hulk] Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Small C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I Cap Recharger II Survey Scanner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Hobgoblin II x5 Mining Drone I x5 This setup is cap stable and will perma tank any highsec rats. It has even survived a gank from a Brutix using T2 neutron blasters and faction ammo in a 0.5 system. I would have blown your ship away in one run for sure! That it resists the Brutix just tells me, that the pilot of the Brutix failed completely, like you failed with this fitting as being good against suicidegankers. You just have been lucky because your Brutix (if this really happened) opponent had no clue what he is doing. I repeat: NEVEREVER fit a sield booster in HiSec. There is no need for it. A Buffer Hulk can tank any NPC Rat spawn in HiSec and a Shield Booster just reduce your EHP as it occupies a medium slot! Travis just gave another good advice: If you are afraid to beining ganked, do not mine afk and be careful where you mine.
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 509	Posted - 2012.02.28 08:22:00 - [18] - Quote This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca. I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats. You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier. [Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II Invulnerability Field II Caldari Navy Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I Invulnerability Field II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Vespa EC-600 x5
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:00:00 - [19] - Quote Julien Brellier wrote: [Hulk, Hulk] Medium Cargohold Optimization I Medium Cargohold Optimization I Excellent tank but for this. Needs the EM Shield rig in one of these spots. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:04:00 - [20] - Quote Zathryon wrote: I dont fit survey scanners, I mine with 3 hulks under orca support so I just empty a belt of all the ores I want and move on. I can fit a second MLU no matter what I try without sacrificing too much tank (i feel like) so Ill throw in a DCU for good measure. I will have shield drones repping each other and a shield gang link on the orca. i think this is the best ive come up with [Hulk, hisec] Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Modulated Strip Miner II Additional Thermal Barrier Emitter I V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield Matrix Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I F85 Peripheral Damage System I Mining Laser Upgrade II Medium Core Defence Field Extender I Medium Core Defence Field Extender I resists: 77.5 / 82 / 80.1 / 81.4 21.7k EHP I could also change out the amp resistance for a shield extender and a shield hardener. It gets about 1k more EHP but a nasty hole in therm. resistance. thoughts? As I pointed out in the post above, one of those Rigs should be the EM resist rig. That will free up that mid slot. Your choice what to put there, better choices if you have the 5% CPU implant as well. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:06:00 - [21] - Quote TravisWB wrote: HISEC Hulk Tanking???? Its done like this: Forget about AFK MINING. This. True, and the best advice. It's astonishing the number of posts with a noob questioning at some point to the effect of ".....and for some AFK mining should I tank with.....", etc. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 349	Posted - 2012.02.28 12:10:00 - [22] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: This is what I use. It works well with a Siege Warfare: Shield Harmonizing link on an Orca. I don't AFK mine. I watch local and dscan. I overheat and GTFO if it looks risky, sacrificing the drones if need be (they are cheaper than a new Hulk). The Orca deals with belt rats. You can substitute a Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I for the Caldari Navy / Dread Guristas EM amplifier. [Hulk, Hisec] Damage Control II Power Diagnostic System II [Hulk, EHP] Micro Auxiliary Power Core I Damage Control II Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Celgar Thurn Department 10 22	Posted - 2012.02.28 16:10:00 - [23] - Quote Hmmm. It all depends on the 'quality' of the suicide ganker/s and if they know what they are doing. I had a Retriever survive a suicide gank from a destroyer a while back in Ammatar space before Concord saved the day. Recently I had a Hulk with about 9000 EHP survive a suicide gank from a different pilot in a destroyer. Ideally you want as much EHP on your mining vessel as possible without damaging your yield. You should be fine in the 13,000 to 22,000 EHP with a single dessie attack. As others have said keep an eye on local if you are worried. Know your local space scum and stay aligned. Current top tip for the wary: Uttindar in Minmatar high sec - The asteroid belts are currently patrolled here by a two pilot 'frigate & dessie' team. I don't have their names to hand. I personally advise you don't mine in this system. At least one failed & one successful suicide gank perpetrated by this team. Members of NPC corp 'The Scope'.
PvtColt University of Caille Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:13:00 - [24] - Quote I believe somewhere was a thread where some guy proposed to create an alt, put this alt in a rookie ship, fly it on the belt and then shoot your hulk. Your Hulk will easily tank this shooting and Concord will destroy your alt, but after it Concord stays on the belt and you don't need to wait it for 15 sec if ganker will attack you
Tau Cabalander Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs 509	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:43:00 - [25] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... The fit is provided as an option for those seeking a higher EHP fitting, as I believe it is better than the previously posted small extender fits. Unlike many people, I try not to recommend fits I've only EFT warrior-ed, so I disclosed that fact. I've not used it because I prefer to be able to swap out the PDU in my hisec fitting for a wstab when mining in w-space; it has saved my Hulks. I can't do that with the EHP fit as the APC is required to fit the medium extender. There are no suicide alpha-ganks in w-space, so I fit the PDU when in hisec to give a few more HP, as a hull reinforcement module won't fit. If you prefer a less durable but higher yield MLU fit, I certainly won't stop you. The choice is yours.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:43:00 - [26] - Quote PvtColt wrote: I believe somewhere was a thread where some guy proposed to create an alt, put this alt in a rookie ship, fly it on the belt and then shoot your hulk. Your Hulk will easily tank this shooting and Concord will destroy your alt, but after it Concord stays on the belt and you don't need to wait it for 15 sec if ganker will attack you Erm...just have the Rookie Ship shoot a can. Less of a Sec hit than shooting a ship. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 351	Posted - 2012.02.28 18:52:00 - [27] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis ??????? _______________________________ Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets _______________________________ I see no built-in MLU unless I'm REALLY blind or something. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Frontman 242 I Robot Me Tarzan 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:12:00 - [28] - Quote best protection fer hulkz iz not buying 1
Skorpynekomimi Omega Vector 126	Posted - 2012.02.28 19:38:00 - [29] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. WTF you talkin' 'bout Willis ??????? _______________________________ Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 7.5% bonus to all shield resistances per level Exhumers Skill Bonus: 3% better yield for Strip Miners per level 3% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level Role Bonus: Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets _______________________________ I see no built-in MLU unless I'm REALLY blind or something. You must really be blind!
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:27:00 - [30] - Quote Quote: Current top tip for the wary: Uttindar in Minmatar high sec - The asteroid belts are currently patrolled here by a two pilot 'frigate & dessie' team. I don't have their names to hand. I personally advise you don't mine in this system. At least one failed & one successful suicide gank perpetrated by this team. Members of NPC corp 'The Scope'. Long ago, I survived two or three ss gank attacks in a max-tanked retriever (during one of the hulk-aggedons) in Utti, but then one of the earlier 'failures' came back in a cruiser and succeeded. All in all, it was quite fun. If I had been smart, I would have had at least one combat drone, so I would have gotten a kill, but alas, that was long ago and I knew not better. Anyway, maybe I will have to try again....a nice command ship in system helps a lot too, so maybe I will add that this time . As for the person suggesting that you 'call' concord via an intentional ss gank - my understanding (completely untested but read multiple times) is that an entirely new wave of Concord ships will spawn for each incident of aggression while any in the area will just toddle about. Now, their presence may dissuade would be gankers, but not sure.
Ajita al Tchar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 72	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:42:00 - [31] - Quote ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Good ideas already, but I'll add this: one very important benefit to mining in a system where there aren't 50 other people mining, running missions or just shooting the **** is that you can see stuff on d-scan before it lands on top of you. Hulks take a while to warp out, but if you're in a system where there aren't a ton of other ships on d-scan, and at a belt that's a good distance from stations and stargates, you should be able to warp out in time no problem. Spam that d-scan like you're mining in w-space! Of course, this kind of an aspect of high sec mining that seems important to a lot of people: not paying too much attention to the task. I can't emphasize this enough: where you mine (the system, that is) is extremely important! It's not like ice mining where there aren't that many ice systems, you can find ore belts almost anywhere any time of the day (and if a system has no more roids left, that's the first hint to reconsider mining there). Finding a system where you literally won't see another person in the belt the whole time you're there is actually not too difficult.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 352	Posted - 2012.02.28 20:54:00 - [32] - Quote Ajita al Tchar wrote: ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Of course, with Smartbombs it's all out the window anyway. 3 BS's with them will even pop your ORCA's Pod before CONCORD comes to the 'rescue'. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Haffsol Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:37:00 - [33] - Quote sorry but I find all this (these) thread(s) a bit useless. Imho there are only 3 simple things to think about when fitting a Hulk: 1- you want more yeld 2- you want to max out your yeld 3- you can squeeze a lil bit more your yeld numbers + the golden rule which is called GET AN HAULER. Now: do you want to spend more in fitting than in hull? Do you want to AFK mine? Do you want to live an easy life and don't care about being ganked? Do you want to solo mine and spend your time going up&down from belt to station? Great, you made your choice: it's called Covetor!
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 352	Posted - 2012.02.28 21:46:00 - [34] - Quote Haffsol wrote: sorry but I find all this (these) thread(s) a bit useless. Imho there are only 3 simple things to think about when fitting a Hulk: 1- you want more yeld 2- you want to max out your yeld 3- you can squeeze a lil bit more your yeld numbers + the golden rule which is called GET AN HAULER. This is my philosophy........and a hauler is indeed essential, but helps not with ganks. In fact, it gives you MORE TO LOSE. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.28 22:14:00 - [35] - Quote ok... 1. I dont AFK mine, but sometimes I do get surprised 2. I mine in a pretty good system, ganks dont happen too often but I want to avoid having any (no station, lots of belts, out of the way) 3. I have a hauler...its called an Orca and a POS... 4. Im not using the Orca at the belt, its staying in the POS unless its hauling, Im not risking a talented and committed ganker taking out my Orca ty for all the good fits tho, I think im coming down to a pretty solid one.
Ajita al Tchar Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2012.02.28 23:03:00 - [36] - Quote Zathryon wrote: ok... 1. I dont AFK mine, but sometimes I do get surprised 2. I mine in a pretty good system, ganks dont happen too often but I want to avoid having any (no station, lots of belts, out of the way) 3. I have a hauler...its called an Orca and a POS... 4. Im not using the Orca at the belt, its staying in the POS unless its hauling, Im not risking a talented and committed ganker taking out my Orca ty for all the good fits tho, I think im coming down to a pretty solid one. Wellll, there's a way you can avoid pretty much all ganks and it doesn't even need a tank. Warp Hulk to roid. Lock roid, start mining. Align to your off grid Orca, cap speed at 75%. When your cargo is full or when you're almost out of range for strips, warp to Orca, unload, return, repeat. For this it's nice to have the range-increasing link running, and the slower your Hulk is, the slower you drift out of range which means you're more likely to leave only when your cargo fills up. When gankers show up, insta-warp away. Obviously this reduces your overall session yield since you have to warp back and forth. It helps to have the Orca a few thousand km away rather than like 40 au away. There's almost zero percent chance of anyone in high sec scanning down an Orca like that, bringing in smartbombing battleships and blasting it away. But for bonus points you can also have your Orca aligned to your POS so it could also insta-warp away just in case someone really wants to kill you. Mining in this way is definitely an exercise in creative ways to make it harder for you, though, i don't recommend it if you want to continue enjoying mining a few months down the road. Basically, you can't have it 100% safe, and that's the way it works. That's the way it should work, too.
Dexxel Farcry Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 01:03:00 - [37] - Quote I fit for maximum yield. I don't care about tanking anything. Gankers don't scare me. Because I pay attention, you should also. If you want to avoid being ganked it's simple. Bury yourself in the belt, align yourself to the station, keep your eye on local, dscan, and use ecm drones. Easy really..
Tauranon Weeesearch 29	Posted - 2012.02.29 04:30:00 - [38] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ajita al Tchar wrote: ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Of course, with Smartbombs it's all out the window anyway. 3 BS's with them will even pop your ORCA's Pod before CONCORD comes to the 'rescue'. Nope. I dunno why people fit max cargo orca's (its kinda pointless given only cargo bay, not hangers or ore bay expands), but they almost always have basic shield tanks, and it requires more than 60 seconds for this to work. Concord will be there for 40 seconds. most orcas are lost to aggressing by the pilot, awoxing, or flying during wars.
Tauranon Weeesearch 29	Posted - 2012.02.29 04:45:00 - [39] - Quote Tau Cabalander wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Bad fit from the start as this is a seriously paranoid reduction in Yield from zero MLU's. Hulk has a built-in MLU, and a Hulk wreck yield even less ore, and takes a considerable amount of mining to replace. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Tau Cabalander wrote: This fit has more EHP, but I've not used it: And this.............OMG. Are we supposed to say 'thanks' ? Whatever dude. Next......... The fit is provided as an option for those seeking a higher EHP fitting, as I believe it is better than the previously posted small extender fits. Unlike many people, I try not to recommend fits I've only EFT warrior-ed, so I disclosed that fact. I've not used it because I prefer to be able to swap out the PDU in my hisec fitting for a wstab when mining in w-space; it has saved my Hulks. I can't do that with the EHP fit as the APC is required to fit the medium extender. There are no suicide alpha-ganks in w-space, so I fit the PDU when in hisec to give a few more HP, as a hull reinforcement module won't fit. If you prefer a less durable but higher yield MLU fit, I certainly won't stop you. The choice is yours. The fit is basically correct imo - Krixtals elitist absolute is kinda wrong in this case. You lose only 9% by not having the MLU, and if this fit is decisive in survival event, then the owner is about 200 mining hours ahead of the theoretical someone that lost a hulk because they had the MLU. It EFTs out to a bit less than my alts fit that I use, but my alt uses a grid implant, so that I can avoid losing a shield rig. IMO not enough to bother with buying the implant if you don't already have it. Being over 30k ehp, means its largely proof against a solo brutix gank, requires 4 destroyers or 3 cruisers instead of 3 and 2, and is only a so-so proposition for a T2 gun tornado (they don't always get the third volley). IMO those are enough circumstances that its a lot more survivable for overlooking things on d-scan (or having the phone ring and then local spiking or whatever).
Haffsol Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 06:44:00 - [40] - Quote Quote: You lose only 9% by not having the MLU 1 Hulk - 1 MLU = Covetor! so if you bought an Hulk you want that "only 9%"
Tauranon Weeesearch 29	Posted - 2012.02.29 09:43:00 - [41] - Quote Haffsol wrote: Quote: You lose only 9% by not having the MLU 1 Hulk - 1 MLU = Covetor! so if you bought an Hulk you want that "only 9%" Covetor has always been a priority hisec target because it can be expected to drop strips like a hulk and is always easier to kill, and because the fit is relatively expensive compared to the hull, its not that well covered by insurance anyway.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 353	Posted - 2012.02.29 11:43:00 - [42] - Quote Tauranon wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Ajita al Tchar wrote: ITT: Krixtal shows why caffeine is a helluva drug Krixtal made some very good points that are worth noting, though, I tease. Of course, with Smartbombs it's all out the window anyway. 3 BS's with them will even pop your ORCA's Pod before CONCORD comes to the 'rescue'. Nope. I dunno why people fit max cargo orca's (its kinda pointless given only cargo bay, not hangers or ore bay expands), but they almost always have basic shield tanks, and it requires more than 60 seconds for this to work. Concord will be there for 40 seconds. most orcas are lost to aggressing by the pilot, awoxing, or flying during wars. Again, I shall repeat, THREE SMARTBOMB FITTED BATTLESHIPS can take an Orca out long before CONCORD arrives. End of Discussion. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Haffsol Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 12:02:00 - [43] - Quote Quote: Covetor has always been a priority hisec target because it can be expected to drop strips like a hulk and is always easier to kill, and because the fit is relatively expensive compared to the hull, its not that well covered by insurance anyway. sure, but 1 hulk costs like 9-10 covetor so you won't shed too many tears if you're so easy to get ganked. Also, if you are not _that_ serious about mining to have an Hulk fitted for max yeld, then you don't need that 10-20% extra yeld that an Hulk can give you more than a Covetor. I mean: if you don't use survey scanner, if you solo mine, if you afk mine, if you get no boost, then you definitely don't need an Hulk at all. That's my way at least, then.... each to his own ;)
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.29 14:33:00 - [44] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Again, I shall repeat, THREE SMARTBOMB FITTED BATTLESHIPS can take an Orca out long before CONCORD arrives. End of Discussion. From repeating it doesn't become true! Prove it! Show us the fittings of your BS and the Orca. Honestly I can't believe, that 3x BS are enough to gank an Orca in HiSec with 90k EHP (which is the standard basic EHP when fittet lows and Rigs with Cargomodules!)
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 14:44:00 - [45] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Again, I shall repeat, THREE SMARTBOMB FITTED BATTLESHIPS can take an Orca out long before CONCORD arrives. End of Discussion. From repeating it doesn't become true! Prove it! Show us the fittings of your BS and the Orca. Honestly I can't believe, that 3x BS are enough to gank an Orca in HiSec with 90k EHP (which is the standard basic EHP when fittet lows and Rigs with Cargomodules!) Just search Orca kills on the larger boards. You will find plenty. These are SMARTBOMBS we are talking about 3 Apocs can fit 24 Large. I'm done arguing here. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.29 14:59:00 - [46] - Quote sorry. I tried, but didn't find one.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:02:00 - [47] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: sorry. I tried, but didn't find one. Sorry you have Search Fail Ability running strong in you. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:10:00 - [48] - Quote Although I've seen 3 (they must have some weird bonus) this is Altered to 5 Apocs: These are SMARTBOMBS we are talking about 5 Apocs can fit 40 Large. 8 X 300 HP (per SBomb) = 2400 every 10 seconds With E Pulse weapons at V that is every 7.5 seconds x 5 Apocs is 12000 every 7.5 seconds. x 5 cycles is 60000 in 37.5 seconds. Mind you the APOCS are riding out CONCORD even longer than that. Orca's with no Shield extender (or Armor or Hull equivalent) either is total of 57400 EHP. And adding those won't add that much.......not anywhere NEAR the 90K you popped out of your head.........so YOU lie. I'm done arguing here. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Cyniac Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance 151	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:20:00 - [49] - Quote Tip. Put a damage control on an orca. Go ahead... see what happens. Also - 3 battleships is not 5 battleships. Also - Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: 8 X 300 HP (per SBomb) = 2400 every 10 seconds With E Pulse weapons at V that is every 7.5 seconds which is - 2400/7.5 ... 320 DPS... pretty poor for a gank setup as a matter of fact. Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: I'm done arguing here. That one really made me laugh. Thanks.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:25:00 - [50] - Quote Cyniac wrote: which is - 2400/7.5 ... 320 DPS... pretty poor for a gank setup as a matter of fact. But it's enough. 320 X 5 Apocs is 1600 DPS. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.29 15:42:00 - [51] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Cyniac wrote: which is - 2400/7.5 ... 320 DPS... pretty poor for a gank setup as a matter of fact. But it's enough. 320 X 5 Apocs is 1600 DPS. Stop telling us bullshit. First it have been 3 Apocs. Not it is 5 Apocs and even 5 Apocs will not break my simple (!) Cargo-fitted Orca, which has one medium slott occupied with an 100MN Microwarpdrive and only 3 Shield Hardeners / Invul and above 90k EHP basically and without implants / fleet! And you tell me lieing it just show me you have never fitted an Orca! [Orca] Expanded Cargohold II Expanded Cargohold II Survey Scanner II / 100MN MWD Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Invulnerability Field II Small Tractor Beam II Mindlink Mindlink Large Cargohold Optimization I / Large Ancillary Current Router I Large Cargohold Optimization I Large Cargohold Optimization I = 99k EHP on my Aura Fitting Tool and I know it's still much above 90k ingame! Exchange Survey Scanner II with a Large Shield Extender II and you have slightly above 100k EHP without loosing Cargo. I don't know why somebody should fit anything else than shield hardeners / amplifiers / invulnerability fields in medium slots? If he do so he deserves to get blown out of his Orca!
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:05:00 - [52] - Quote Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Please show me a proof of your 5 Smartbomb Apocs killing a standard Orca like my one. I did not fail in searching through the killboards. You just have no idea about what you are talking in this case! Not all post, and Killboards usually expire mails after awhile. Goon's is only searchable for 3 months even. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Salcon Cliff Aliastra Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:12:00 - [53] - Quote Okay, I have not been in an Orca for a while and not sure on what fits I actually used, but I pulled up some of my fits in EFT, and not a single one does NOT have a DCUII in one of the lows. Most have 2 invulns and a lg. extender as the basic tank (with a 100MN AB filling the mids). EFT has around 180k+ EHP for these fits. If you take out the Expanded Cargohold, you pop up over 200k. My actual tank would have been better, since I have a few random shield implants and would have been in a fleet.
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 90	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:19:00 - [54] - Quote There was an issue with parsing this post's BBCode My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Kessiaan Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings 90	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:20:00 - [55] - Quote Long ago, I used to fly a Hulk. Haven't undocked it in years now and I've done my share of suicide ganks. It's impossible to fit a Hulk to survive a suicide gank - you're in an expensive non-combat ship that must sit still for hours at a time to do its job. A gank catalyst does almost 700 DPS for about 6M ISK (net, assuming 50% module recovery) and an orca piloted by an alt with good sec. status can carry over 30 of them. One of these will kill most Hulks in 0.7 and down, two will kill even the most strongly tanked hulk. You can move up to a higher security system, but then you have to deal with 1400mm tornados loaded with Quake which can do upwards of 13K volley. Your best defense is to pay attention, recognize when you're being set up, and know what the gankers are after so as to present yourself as an unattractive target. You don't have to belt mine. A trick that was common years ago that I haven't heard much about lately was to run missions until you got one that spawned a lot of Veldspar (there's a few missions that spawn other ore types but Veldspar is by far the most common), then just mine there and don't turn in the mission. This takes you out of the belts and away from the ganks for the most part. Also, if you are belt mining and you see some noob park on top of you in a frigate, there's a good chance said frigate is providing a warp in for the gank(ers) and you should leave. A lot of gankers gank to pad their killboard stats. If you keep drones out, they'll stay from you because they don't want a lossmail. Use Hobgoblins on the rats, when there are no rats keep out ECM drones, if you get ganked anyway you may get lucky and get a jam off. Some gankers gank for money. If you're mining with a fancy faction mods ]like this guy ( http://tinyurl.com/7bedor2 ) you might as well paint a giant bulls-eye on the side of your ship. Save the fancy stuff for nullsec. And, a lot of people gank because they're bored, it's easy, it doesn't cost very much (12M ISK for a gank catalyst is pocket change for most people who've been playing this game at least a year), and it's a reliable source of tears. There's nothing you can do to deter these people, other than not to run into them in the first place, see above. My killboard - http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Kessiaan
Fluffi Flaffi Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:27:00 - [56] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Fluffi Flaffi wrote: Please show me a proof of your 5 Smartbomb Apocs killing a standard Orca like my one. I did not fail in searching through the killboards. You just have no idea about what you are talking in this case! Not all post, and Killboards usually expire mails after awhile. Goon's is only searchable for 3 months even. A better excuse did not came to your mind? All you have told us in relation to this topic is and was untrue! End of the story!
Cyniac Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance 152	Posted - 2012.02.29 16:53:00 - [57] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Cyniac wrote: which is - 2400/7.5 ... 320 DPS... pretty poor for a gank setup as a matter of fact. But it's enough. 320 X 5 Apocs is 1600 DPS. /me sighs A single full gank talos gives me 1450 DPS. Now there IS a reason why you would use smartbombing BS for ganks - and that's to hit massed ships. If you have 20 ships sitting in a spot ganking through smartbombs makes sense because of the AOE situation. Looking at your numbers, I'd say that when you have 6 or more orcas within the range of the smartbombs you start to break even. Looking at fluffi's numbers (which are closer to my own) you'd need to have something like 12 orcas together to make it worthwhile. Thing is... You don't see 12 orca fleets sitting waiting to be smartbombed in highsec. You don't even see 6 orca fleets doing that. So to gank a single orca - you go for raw DPS - Talos or dessies or whatever. To gank a mining fleet - you might use smartbombing BS but ONLY if they are clustered and you got a lot of them. This has happened before quite successfully iirc but it was mostly hulks, not orcas which were hit. So please Krix, - I'm trying to help you because even though you systematically dig your own grave in the forums time and again I believe that somewhere down there, you have good intentions. You just have to take a step back and be a little more self critical because at times, the information which you provide, is less than accurate and can mislead some people.
Steven Fonulique The Phantom Regiment The House Of Cards. 9	Posted - 2012.02.29 17:54:00 - [58] - Quote Haffsol wrote: Quote: Covetor has always been a priority hisec target because it can be expected to drop strips like a hulk and is always easier to kill, and because the fit is relatively expensive compared to the hull, its not that well covered by insurance anyway. sure, but 1 hulk costs like 9-10 covetor so you won't shed too many tears if you're so easy to get ganked. Also, if you are not _that_ serious about mining to have an Hulk fitted for max yeld, then you don't need that 10-20% extra yeld that an Hulk can give you more than a Covetor. I mean: if you don't use survey scanner, if you solo mine, if you afk mine, if you get no boost, then you definitely don't need an Hulk at all. That's my way at least, then.... each to his own ;) I have to agree with this in a pretty big way. The only tank you should be fitting on your hulk in high sec is the tank you can fit after you've fit every single last little module that maximises your yield. It's all a numbers game, if you are expecting a high number of gank attempts instead of gimping your yield by trying to fit an uber tank drop your yield by using a cheap covetor. The only reason to be using a hulk is if you are sure you can spend enough hours mining with it between ship losses to know the extra cost of a hulk loss compared to a covetor loss will be made up for by the extra yield. Your most effective way to avoid losing your ship to a ganker is by avoiding the gank attempt entirely not by trying to survive it.
Haffsol Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2012.02.29 17:58:00 - [59] - Quote Quote: If you have no clue, just don't post. I mine with an hulk, a covetor and an hauler, so let me post again. Now, of course the difference between an hulk and a covetor is not only that 9% but I was answering to someone saying: "fit a DCU instead of a MLU, you'll loose only 9% so it's cool" which imho is..... stupid? yup, bullshit really. The rest of the discussion _for me_ is only to be reduced into this: you don't keep your eyes on your ships while mining? Then you are a noob and it's better if you don't fly a 200M worth ship, most of all it's not worth to put on that ship another 50-100-100000000000 M worth fitting. Live your noob life in peace and fly a covetor. Shell I draw a picture or is it clear enough? Last but not least: I know there are different kind of gankers, and the serious ones will kill you sooner or later, but again: flying an hulk means knowing that and using the proper countermeasures. If you have no clue about how to prevent being ganked by _serious gankers_ do you know which ship I'm suggesting you to use instead of the hulk? Yeah I guess you know.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 354	Posted - 2012.02.29 19:00:00 - [60] - Quote Cyniac wrote: [quote=Krixtal Icefluxor][quote=Cyniac] So please Krix, - I'm trying to help you because even though you systematically dig your own grave in the forums time and again I believe that somewhere down there, you have good intentions. You just have to take a step back and be a little more self critical because at times, the information which you provide, is less than accurate and can mislead some people. All I can say for sure is that my Alliance Leader did it when in Wildly Inappropriate. Killmails are all ancient and gone. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Cyniac Twilight Star Rangers Black Thorne Alliance 155	Posted - 2012.02.29 19:39:00 - [61] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: All I can say for sure is that my Alliance Leader did it when in Wildly Inappropriate. Killmails are all ancient and gone. That's cool. Alliance leaders (and other pilots) do a lot of stuff that is not ideal. For example, I have been known to run lvl 4 missions in a small fleet of T1 frigs - it can be done (and it can be fun) but it doesn't make it ideal, and I would not recommend it as a way to run level 4 missions. There is another issue with drawing on old sources, EVE changes a lot - what worked 2 or 3 years ago may no longer be applicable, and especially when you are working second hand (you know of someone who did it, but didn't do it yourself) it's possible that crucial little details slip through to create confusion. Anyhow cheers, good luck to all the miners out there in their hulks (we all need that ore!) and also good luck to the gankers (though I don't see myself joining your ranks, you do know how to make things interesting!)
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 3	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:15:00 - [62] - Quote i will say the youtube video with a smarty apoc taking out something like 20 retrievers is really funny...but i digress. Smarty apocs seems like a funny way to take out an orca. Let me say I KNOW there are some times when there is nothing you can do. I mean hell...if some really rich bastard wants to he can faction smarty a navy apoc and eliminate my entire fleet before I have a chance to blink, even if each one of my hulks had a faction fit tank with 50k EHP (i just made that number up, but it sounds like a reasonable max). on the other hand, if i lose to another destroyer im going to be angry. Also, it was definitely not 40 seconds for CONCORD to come in, it was probably more like 15. 1000 DPS is fairly high for most casual gankers (although again there are certainly some who will still get more). so then I need to be able to tank 15ish K damage. (again some will still get through but if i can avoid even one i will have saved myself 200M right?) I can definitely see the point of wanting to max out a hulk for yield. frankly I cant decide what is best. the decreased yield is certainly an issue but the increase in EHP might make it worth it. not sure yet. Im certainly making some good strides in just being able to watch out for gankers. ive got some tricks up my sleeve for that.
Ninyania alCladdyth McLuvin AstroDynamics 16	Posted - 2012.02.29 20:29:00 - [63] - Quote Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Orca's with no Shield extender (or Armor or Hull equivalent) either is total of 57400 EHP. And adding those won't add that much.......not anywhere NEAR the 90K you popped out of your head.........so YOU lie. I'm done arguing here. dafuq you talking about? my alt's fail-fit Orca has 155k EHP.
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 171	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:41:00 - [64] - Quote My god, everything Krixtal Icefluxor posts is pure bullcrap. "3 Apocs can SB an Orca to death" What a load. Why don't you just admit you made it up. Acting like you know something doesn't really work when your facts are so laughably bogus. Maybe it flies here in Science and Industry, but in C&P OR Ships and Fittings you'd be laughed out of the forums. We've smartbombed hundreds of Exhumers to death with 1/2/3 and even 5 Battleships. Orcas are almost automatically present in large clusters of Exhumers, and they've never come close to dying - why would they? Even fail-fit for max cargo they have nearly 60K EHP. Easiest way to kill a cargo-fit Orca: 3 T2 Overheated Talos do the job in 12 seconds or less. But why? Good if you want to mess with someone specific, but fragile, uninsurable T2 Exhumers are always the better target because it inflicts more pain on the stupid miners. Long story short, that dude is a gank victim who has a chip on his shoulder. Knows nothing about ganking except being on the receiving end. If you want to know about Hulk tanks, ask the gankers themselves - they might teach you something.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 355	Posted - 2012.02.29 21:47:00 - [65] - Quote Zathryon wrote: i will say the youtube video with a smarty apoc taking out something like 20 retrievers is really funny...but i digress. Smarty apocs seems like a funny way to take out an orca. 'twas indeed an hilarious video that ! OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
Herr Wilkus Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service 171	Posted - 2012.02.29 22:18:00 - [66] - Quote Actually, those KMs further illustrate how ignorant you are. But keep right on poasting.
astara989 Push Mineral Extraction Push Interstellar Network 26	Posted - 2012.03.01 08:13:00 - [67] - Quote Not saying this is the best fit but i run: 3x t2 strips 1x t2 invul 1x t2 small shield extender 1x t2 em or thermal hardener (or named) 2x t2 MLU 2x core defense extenders. with a harmonizer running on an orca this is somewhere around 20-22k EHP. I've never been ganked so can't tell you how well this will work. It seems to me your choice of system (and not afk mining) is your best defense against being ganked.
Zathryon Amarr General Drilling and Construction 5	Posted - 2012.03.01 15:11:00 - [68] - Quote the video i was talking about definitely wasnt a bunch of bots, it was some small indy corp. taking out a few retrievers isnt a big deal but I think its kind of lame to take out hulks...theyre just too expensive.
Krixtal Icefluxor Bison - Ammatar Thunder Thundering Herd 355	Posted - 2012.03.01 15:36:00 - [69] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: Actually, those KMs further illustrate how ignorant you are. But keep right on poasting. The Hostility is STRONG in this one.......... OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved. -á-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity"
ChaoticDemon Chaotic Science and Industry Inc 2	Posted - 2012.03.02 18:29:00 - [70] - Quote For highsec you want the least expensive fit possible so no faction/deadspace/officer also forget named mining upgrades unless you want ganked. I forget how many it takes since its been a long time since I've done any highsec ganks but a few noob destroyer alts can take out any mack/hulk in a few seconds and if you get lucky can take out 2 or 3 best to fit for no resist holes and be in a fleet with lvl 5 armor and shield leadrship skills on booster also 1 smartbomb bs can take out a lot of hulks/macks if clustered together for highsec mining I usually keep my overview set to only show station gates and combat ships if you see a combat ship close to you or a group enter belt leave best tank is to not be there when they start shooting
Tarsus Zateki GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 70	Posted - 2012.03.03 05:51:00 - [71] - Quote Don't bother tanking your hulk at all. Fit mods that will reduce alignment and speed up time and don't ever be AFK. There is no amount of tank you can fit that will prevent a determined ganker from killing you. If you tank up, I'll just bring friends and you will die anyway.

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