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XxWaltarxX Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:01:00 - [1] For The Council of Stellar Management. Please leave name of the Candidate and reason why. I will start. Lavista Vista: I feel he would help the area of the game I love most, that is industry. I believe he also has a great love for pvp, and I love that as well. That to me is a perfect balance.
XxWaltarxX Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:01:00 - [2] For The Council of Stellar Management. Please leave name of the Candidate and reason why. I will start. Lavista Vista: I feel he would help the area of the game I love most, that is industry. I believe he also has a great love for pvp, and I love that as well. That to me is a perfect balance.
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:04:00 - [3] I like McCains values but I think Obama would put some new blood in there.
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:04:00 - [4] I like McCains values but I think Obama would put some new blood in there.
XxWaltarxX Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:12:00 - [5] Originally by: Etchyboy I like McCains values but I think Obama would put some new blood in there. Wow, your a good flamer.
Athre Minmatar The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:17:00 - [6] So far I can not decide. What I am doing is deciding on whom I am NOT voting for and then will have to pick from the rest. This is a council of 9 I would have preferred to each have a 3 vote toward 9 or a "pick in the order of preference" style vote. I strongly suggest players read all the material they can regarding the players background and their strengths. There is a collective web site section and the Eve magazine as well as various threads some candidates have posted thoughts and others have posted proposals in other areas as well. Much to read!
EnslaverOfMinmatar Amarr Adv Asteroid Mining and RD Sobaseki Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:20:00 - [7] I'll vote for anyone who kills carebears
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.04.12 00:20:00 - [8] I haven't decided yet. I'm holding out in the hopes that CCP will let us have one vote per council-member, i.e. a total of 9 votes (though that's unlikely). When it comes down to it there are several candidates in which I have faith: Ankhesentapemkah - While distinctly Carebeary, her viewpoint is one that many viewers share and she offers a fresh perspective compared to most other candidates. Goumindong - His posts are well-thought out and well-informed, and he generally tries to refute an argument without resorting to flaming. He participates a lot in discussions about game balance and that leads me to believe that he generally cares about the health of the game. Jade Constantine - Long-winded but intelligent. That sums it up really. Lavista Vista - The council needs someone of his background and economic knowledge Serenity Steele - He's put a lot of effort into EVE's community, and I believe that he legitimately cares about the game overall That sums it up for me. If I have to choose one it'll be a difficult decision. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Everyone Dies Caldari Lucky Tampon	Posted - 2008.04.12 01:00:00 - [9] Goumindong plus he knows this game inside and out mechanics wise
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.12 01:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Tarminic Serenity Steele - He's put a lot of effort into EVE's community, and I believe that he legitimately cares about the game overall This, I have nothing to add.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.12 01:02:00 - [11] Originally by: Etchyboy I like McCains values but I think Obama would put some new blood in there. McCain has no values, no domestic plan, a really poor foreign plan, and a propensity to lie and flip-flop. I have a feeling that same statement could be applied to some of the CSM candidates actually. I'm currently undecided btw, but I'm looking at the candidates.
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 01:07:00 - [12] Jade Constantine. Admitedly Jade delivers some of the longest walls of texts in forum history, but I think Jade holds the same core 'ideal' of EVE as I do. Im also impressed by Serenity Steeles impartial offer to other candidates to provide web hosting and actually 'advertise' his competitors. That's an unusually altruistic act. C. New Scanner Idea!
Crackzilla The Shadow Order SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 01:07:00 - [13] Edited by: ***zilla on 12/04/2008 01:08:22 Whoever liberally dispenses with the booze and exotic dancers.
Marlona Sky Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 22:50:00 - [14] Edited by: Marlona Sky on 12/04/2008 22:50:01 Any non-goon. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you and... scouts, logistic ships, people to web you, alts with bonuses, not fitting nice gear, avoiding trafic hubs, etc... easy right??
Aero089 Exiled.	Posted - 2008.04.12 22:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Marlona Sky Edited by: Marlona Sky on 12/04/2008 22:50:01 Any non-goon. This. I am pretty damn worried about having a council though. I disagree with too many people when it comes to carebear versus PvP :( ---
Laura Steel The Chaotic Order Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.12 22:54:00 - [16] Goumindong. ----
Max Torps Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Cailais Jade Constantine. Admitedly Jade delivers some of the longest walls of texts in forum history, but I think Jade holds the same core 'ideal' of EVE as I do. Im also impressed by Serenity Steeles impartial offer to other candidates to provide web hosting and actually 'advertise' his competitors. That's an unusually altruistic act. C. Yes. Let it not be said that Max Torps hasn't offered the same and that another candidate has taken up that offer (D-Ceet). I'm quite happy for other candidates to post blogs, advertise their blogs etc on the community site I host. EvE blogspace, free!
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:05:00 - [18] Has anybody heard of these people, other then their alts posting in this thread? I'll support anybody who will fight for the repeal of warp-to-zero.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:11:00 - [19] Originally by: Everyone Dies Goumindong plus he knows this game inside and out mechanics wise I just died a little inside reading this. I still stand by my "90% of the eve playing community doesn't give a ** about CSM" statement. Just play the game and enjoy... ------------ Originally by:** CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:32:00 - [20] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Everyone Dies Goumindong plus he knows this game inside and out mechanics wise I just died a little inside reading this. I still stand by my "90% of the eve playing community doesn't give a ** about CSM" statement. Just play the game and enjoy... Indeed. I <3 you to pieces CCP but this CSM initiative is just blatant PR. Best of luck to the venture though as it might maybe somehow inconcievably make a difference. But I'm not holding my breath. Originally by:** Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:33:00 - [21] Edited by: Ralara on 13/04/2008 01:34:13 Originally by: XxWaltarxX For The Council of Stellar Management. Please leave name of the Candidate and reason why. I will start. Lavista Vista: I feel he would help the area of the game I love most, that is industry. I believe he also has a great love for pvp, and I love that as well. That to me is a perfect balance. No one, because I think it's a complete waste of time and a farce but w/e. EDIT: Come to think of it, that makes it sound like a real election. In that case, if I was to vote, it'd be for a third party. The Eve Equivalent of Monster Raving Looney. I pick goons for the lulz. -- Ralara / Ralarina
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:41:00 - [22] Originally by: Ralara I pick goons for the lulz. /seconded Imagine the Epic Comedy if the Goon get a majority on the CSM.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:47:00 - [23] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Everyone Dies Goumindong plus he knows this game inside and out mechanics wise I just died a little inside reading this. qft If I vote for anyone at all, it won't be someone who spends most their time in fleets of 100+ CSM is just a forum warrior/EFT rambo popularity contest anyway. I'm kind of stumped that CCP thought it was a good idea. ...
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:48:00 - [24] My write in vote will be for Backdoor Bandit. Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. Juggernauts
Durao Amarr Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:11:00 - [25] Goumindong - One of the few people that actually care about balance.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:14:00 - [26] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 13/04/2008 02:15:12 Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Everyone Dies Goumindong plus he knows this game inside and out mechanics wise I just died a little inside reading this. I still stand by my "90% of the eve playing community doesn't give a **** about CSM" statement. Just play the game and enjoy... Do not forget Everyone Dies is a JoJo wannabe. Guomindong is just a more educated JoJo, but his vast PvP experience of 150-odd kills gives him the knowledge of everything in game PvP related, and any attempt of actually arguing with the man is equally useful to arguing with a brick wall. Yeah, bloody awesome candidate. Lyria makes a ton more sense, particularly after he started actually soloing a lot That said, I haven't made up my mind yet, and the whole CSM thing looks like a bad idea imo.
Spineker Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:15:00 - [27] No one.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:30:00 - [28] MongWen most likely. I feel there is no worse issue than ISK sellers. We farmer hunters would have better chances of making a difference if we had someone in contact with CCP. That said , I'd have voted for Verone. No pirates as CSM candidates now
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 02:47:00 - [29] Originally by: Stakhanov That said , I'd have voted for Verone. No pirates as CSM candidates now That. I'd vote for you if you did actually go for it.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.13 03:10:00 - [30] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Stakhanov That said , I'd have voted for Verone. No pirates as CSM candidates now That. I'd vote for you if you did actually go for it. Same... I would still be working on a troll-post candidacy announcement, but I don't have me own website to linkeh to so it wouldn't be as fun Seeing as I don't really want to put the time in to really do it as I could go MIA for months due to my job, we are needing a piracy advocate
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 03:12:00 - [31] Yeah, we really need a pirate in CSM
Rawr Cristina Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.13 07:01:00 - [32] Originally by: techzer0 I would still be working on a troll-post candidacy announcement, but I don't have me own website to linkeh to so it wouldn't be as fun Seeing as I don't really want to put the time in to really do it as I could go MIA for months due to my job, we are needing a piracy advocate I would have voted for you!
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.04.13 07:07:00 - [33] CSM neds a gut neogtiator and a neice one. I vote Juwi. Tornsoul also looks neice. --------- Technica impendi Caldari generis. Pax Caldaria! Recruitment -KB-
Lt Angus Caldari Wicked Crew	Posted - 2008.04.13 10:57:00 - [34] Originally by: Durao Goumindong - One of the few people that actually care about balance. think ill just quit now Shhhh, Im hunting Badgers
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.13 11:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Cipher7 on 13/04/2008 11:29:21 Either Jade, Hardin or Serenity. While Guomindong has some good ideas, I don't think its healthy to have any of the big alliances represented, all they ever talk about is POS crap which alot of us don't care about. Anke is...a little too carebear for me. While yes there is alot of griefing in Eve, almost all of it can be avoided. The root of griefing is actually meta-gaming, everybody has so many alts which makes any kind of retribution or justice impossible. Imagine if : GTC trade was gone, everybody pays $15 a month. Skill training times are cut to 1/3 across the board. Mining ships all come with vastly improved cargo capacity. Suddenly you will see most people have 1 char 1 acct, no more 3 hulk 1 hauler mining veld, no more 5 R&D agent alts, no more using moon mining to fund an army of Freighter pilots in Empire, less lag, real retribution against real people.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 11:54:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Branko Yeah, we really need a pirate in CSM Well, if you look up my forum history you will notice that i used to be a pirate in Verone's excellent corp. Sadly the high:low-sec ratio is broken, due to the lack of reward in low-sec. So not a lot of people go there.
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 12:02:00 - [37] Vista is pirate, I r vote him!zor!1! _______ ◕◡◕
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 12:14:00 - [38] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire CSM neds a gut neogtiator and a neice one. I vote Juwi. Tornsoul also looks neice. Thanks! Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.04.13 13:43:00 - [39] Edited by: Victor Vision on 13/04/2008 13:43:56 I am very pleased with the wide range of candidates that will be running in the upcoming elections. Before I mention my personal favorites, I would like to congratulate each and every candidate for their bold decision to take part in this project. My personal favorites, sorted alphabetically (I hope we get more than one vote): Dymetrie Interesting and uncomprimising candidate for the empire population. Since the EVE population has a high percentage of empire players it would make sense to see someone like him as part of the CSM. Hardin Experienced 0.0 player. Has some roleplay experience as well. Sympathetic, humble and well spoken. Part of the CVA alliance, an alliance which in my assessment is one of the most repsected alliances in 0.0. CVA has a NRDS policy (not red - do not shoot) yet managed to survive in the harsh conditions of 0.0 unlike others who tried a similar approach. This shows a practical ability to successfully realize bold ideas. He might well be the prime choice for most 0.0 inhabitants. Jade Constantine The wordy philosopher. Manages to polarize. Widely repsected in the 0.0 community. Juwi Kotch That is an interesting candidate. Has experienced a somewhat bumpy start into the universe of EVE, yet stuck with it and worked his way up. Understands both carebear and pvp interests. Omber Zombie The allrounder. Likes to try out all aspects of EVE and master them. Was part of the legendary mOo corporation (pirates). Taught new players as an instructor in the EVE-University. Has explored the EVE-stock market. His wealth of experience would surely prove highly valuable for the CSM. Serenity Steele The analayser. Dry and to the point. Effective, clear, quality. Runs a wonderfull website with 0.0 alliance statistics and provides travelers with EVE maps. TornSoul Part of BIG corporation. Runs the BIG lottery. Has much experience with EVE and has shown good leadership skills. An interesting persona. Vox Pop A concept of a direct democracy which allows the community to vote on positions taken. These positions are then passed onto CCP. I am not sure how well this will work, but it is definatly an interesting idea. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.13 13:43:00 - [40] Originally by: Cipher7 Anke is...a little too carebear for me. While yes there is alot of griefing in Eve, almost all of it can be avoided. The root of griefing is actually meta-gaming, everybody has so many alts which makes any kind of retribution or justice impossible. Meh, griefing most definately is not the only issue. Faction war is coming up soon (yeey), and there will certainly be enough work to do to please all types of players. Improving lowsec rewards to get more people there is one of my issues too, so it not carebear-only. --- Consider voting for me in the CSM elections. I invite you to take a look at the campaign website for issues and further information. Visit our Campaign Website
jason hill Caldari Nightmare Holdings Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.13 13:51:00 - [41] damn i must be still hungover from last night ....can someone post me the linky so that I can view thier blurp please ...ta in advance destroy everything you touch
Galk Gallente Autumn Tactics All the things she said	Posted - 2008.04.13 13:51:00 - [42] little or no interest in this, if i had though and could take it in the good faith it's been presented, i could say no more than Mr Juwi Kotch. Much for the same reasons iv'e been tempted to join his group in the past, fair across the board to all. Fingers crossed ______
Flycutter	Posted - 2008.04.13 13:55:00 - [43] First candidate to send me 20 mil gets all my votes.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.13 14:04:00 - [44] none
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.04.13 14:04:00 - [45] Originally by: jason hill damn i must be still hungover from last night ....can someone post me the linky so that I can view thier blurp please ...ta in advance The full "blurp" with information from the candidates about themselves can be viewed in this stikied thread. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.04.13 14:22:00 - [46] Im voting for No-one as i cant see the point of a stellar council. After-all they cant make decisions just 'Suggestion' And by the way it works its very likely that just the Alliance bigwigs will get the first seats as they have a big block of voters from day 1. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 14:25:00 - [47] I recon I'll be voting for Hardin, although I'll wait to see the final list of candidates first. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Victor Vision Central Intelligence Service	Posted - 2008.04.13 14:32:00 - [48] Edited by: Victor Vision on 13/04/2008 14:32:45 Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS Im voting for No-one as i cant see the point of a stellar council. After-all they cant make decisions just 'Suggestion' A council does not give orders, but it helps decision makers to make good decisions. I am sure you will agree that well informed decisions are usually better than uninformed ones. Originally by: JADE DRAG0NESS And by the way it works its very likely that just the Alliance bigwigs will get the first seats as they have a big block of voters from day 1. If the large population in empire would not vote, then yes, this would be probably true. But keep in mind that the majority of EVE players are based in empire. Since you are concerned that the empire population might be underrepresented, why not spread the word amongst empire players to vote. That way the empire population will have its voice in the CSM. EVE War I-The Beginning - EVE History Wiki
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:10:00 - [49] Originally by: Verone I recon I'll be voting for Hardin, although I'll wait to see the final list of candidates first. How do you go about registering, or is it too late now? -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Comrade Commizzar	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:15:00 - [50] Im voting for whoever pays me the most isk! This is entirely consistent with the corrupt political nature of the existing power structures in Eve. Once the Revolution succeeds in seizing the means of production from the Bourgoise Ruling Class through collective struggle, we will replace this farce with a proper "People's Committee". Forward The Revolution!
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:16:00 - [51] My vote atm would go to Jade, I like all his ideas. Leandro would also be intresting if he would write more about how he wants to solve fleet battles. And I really respect Hardin, but I haven't seen any concrete sollutions from him yet, just that he wants to make the game better.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:19:00 - [52] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: Verone I recon I'll be voting for Hardin, although I'll wait to see the final list of candidates first. How do you go about registering, or is it too late now? Closed long ago.
Drakolus Amarr Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:21:00 - [53] Originally by: Anubis Xian My write in vote will be for Backdoor Bandit. This, anyone seen him lately? I used to get more than a few laughs from the MGRL press releases and such. If nothing else though I am taking donations for my vote, large denomination bills only please
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:27:00 - [54] Originally by: Sqalevon My vote atm would go to Jade, I like all his ideas. Leandro would also be intresting if he would write more about how he wants to solve fleet battles. And I really respect Hardin, but I haven't seen any concrete sollutions from him yet, just that he wants to make the game better. Exactly the reason I'll probably be voting for Hardin, he seems to be one of few who's very open minded. Other people have put across all these cool ideas of THEIR OWN. The CSM isn't an opportunity for representitives to push their own manifesto and agenda. Representitives should be there to listen to the community and put the wider view of the playerbase accross to the development team, not their own. I'm still kind of sad that I had to pull out of the running, but given my out of game commitments over the next 8 months or so, I think it's for the best. Maybe next time. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:33:00 - [55] I'll be voting for Hardin or Serentiy Steele. I like them both and they seem very down to earth folks (unlike Jade!) who would definately represent and articulate the thoughts and ideas of the wider communtiy very well to CCP. Plus they probably both deserve a free trip to Iceland so they can buy me an overpriced beer next fanfest.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:35:00 - [56] Originally by: Verone The CSM isn't an opportunity for representitives to push their own manifesto and agenda. Representitives should be there to listen to the community and put the wider view of the playerbase accross to the development team, not their own. Im curious what you are trying to say. Yeah, quite a few candidates, including me, have expressed interest in certain parts of the game. And sure, I for one have put forward some ideas to create discussion. But where do you think all these idea's from from? Surely people aren't coming up with all these sound ideas, just to get their seat? But does this mean they are gonna push forward their own agenda towards the development team too? I think majority of the people who i see having a good chance of getting in, can actually see the difference between community and person interests. If they can't, people just shouldn't vote for them.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 15:36:00 - [57] Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Plus they probably both deserve a free trip to Iceland so they can buy me an overpriced beer next fanfest. But are the council actually brought to Iceland for fanfest? I don't think the papers said anything about that.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 16:11:00 - [58] No, but probably CCP manages to coordinate fanfest timelines with the meetings of the 2nd CSM with CCP. However, I'll bet the CCP people will be either to busy or to drunk to do something serious in the context of CSM during that time... Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 16:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Juwi Kotch However, I'll bet the CCP people will be either to busy or to drunk to do something serious in the context of CSM during that time... But imagine all the nice changes we could get into the game if they were drunk!
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.04.13 16:17:00 - [60] Edited by: Lord Zoran on 13/04/2008 16:18:57 Originally by: Ralara [No one, because I think it's a complete waste of time and a farce but w/e. EDIT: Come to think of it, that makes it sound like a real election. In that case, if I was to vote, it'd be for a third party. The Eve Equivalent of Monster Raving Looney. I pick goons for the lulz. definately that
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 16:20:00 - [61] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Juwi Kotch However, I'll bet the CCP people will be either to busy or to drunk to do something serious in the context of CSM during that time... But imagine all the nice changes we could get into the game if they were drunk! That idea brings a big smile on my face Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Bane Glorious GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:10:00 - [62] vote cheesegod
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:26:00 - [63] Edited by: Sakura Nihil on 13/04/2008 17:27:19 Nm, I'm a twit . Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i'm not a very good gambler
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:27:00 - [64] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Vyktor Abyss Plus they probably both deserve a free trip to Iceland so they can buy me an overpriced beer next fanfest. But are the council actually brought to Iceland for fanfest? I don't think the papers said anything about that. I thought CCP at least would be offering some perks, like free entry to fanfest for the CSMs or something... To be honest I don't care if the CSMs are treated as royalty, or sewer slime by CCP - I'll still be expecting a beer from those two!
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:41:00 - [65] Originally by: LaVista Vista Im curious what you are trying to say. Yeah, quite a few candidates, including me, have expressed interest in certain parts of the game. And sure, I for one have put forward some ideas to create discussion. But where do you think all these idea's from from? Surely people aren't coming up with all these sound ideas, just to get their seat? I respect the fact that candidates are coming up with ideas for new features to promote discussion, but it seems like for most people this is where the bulk of their campaign strategy lies. Personally I'd like to see someone who's listening directly to what the community have to say, taking their points on board, then going to CCP with the issues and presenting them in a well structured fashion. At present, quite a few of the CSM campaigns I've seen have centered primarily around ideas that the candidates want to have fixed or implemented. This leads me to think that rather than going to CCP with community issues, some of the people if elected will go to CCP with the approach of "hey guys, I got an awesome idea for new content", therefore pushing their own agenda while the voice of the community (the voice that the CSM are supposed to represent) is left out in the cold. Originally by: LaVista Vista I think majority of the people who i see having a good chance of getting in, can actually see the difference between community and person interests. If they can't, people just shouldn't vote for them. I beg to differ, hence why I'll probably be voting for Hardin, depending on the rest of the official lineup. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:51:00 - [66] Chribba. Must. Run. Originally by: Amoxin My vent is talking to me in a devil voice... Atomos' Guide to Forum Flaming
5pinDizzy	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:54:00 - [67] Is Jenny Spitfire running?
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:55:00 - [68] Originally by: Verone Originally by: LaVista Vista Im curious what you are trying to say. Yeah, quite a few candidates, including me, have expressed interest in certain parts of the game. And sure, I for one have put forward some ideas to create discussion. But where do you think all these idea's from from? Surely people aren't coming up with all these sound ideas, just to get their seat? I respect the fact that candidates are coming up with ideas for new features to promote discussion, but it seems like for most people this is where the bulk of their campaign strategy lies. Personally I'd like to see someone who's listening directly to what the community have to say, taking their points on board, then going to CCP with the issues and presenting them in a well structured fashion. At present, quite a few of the CSM campaigns I've seen have centered primarily around ideas that the candidates want to have fixed or implemented. This leads me to think that rather than going to CCP with community issues, some of the people if elected will go to CCP with the approach of "hey guys, I got an awesome idea for new content", therefore pushing their own agenda while the voice of the community (the voice that the CSM are supposed to represent) is left out in the cold. Originally by: LaVista Vista I think majority of the people who i see having a good chance of getting in, can actually see the difference between community and person interests. If they can't, people just shouldn't vote for them. I beg to differ, hence why I'll probably be voting for Hardin, depending on the rest of the official lineup. You may have seen that whenever there is a chance (like this one) I try to point out that the CSM is not designed to promote the position of the CSM members, but to voice the opinion of the EVE community to CCP. This is even somewhat hardcoded in the CSM design, and described in length in the main CSM paper (page 16 and 17). To me it looks like that most people, including CSM candidates, are missing this bit. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Titus Lewis Suddenly Successful	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:56:00 - [69] My vote can be purchased for Isk. Please send evemail if interested.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:57:00 - [70] Originally by: Titus Lewis My vote can be purchased for Isk. Please send evemail if interested. Well, to you and others with similar statements, I won't get your votes then... Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Titus Lewis Suddenly Successful	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:58:00 - [71] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Originally by: Titus Lewis My vote can be purchased for Isk. Please send evemail if interested. Well, to you and others with similar statements, I won't get your votes then... Juwi Kotch You sure? It might be cheap...
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 17:59:00 - [72] I'm sure Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:00:00 - [73] Originally by: Verone Originally by: LaVista Vista Im curious what you are trying to say. Yeah, quite a few candidates, including me, have expressed interest in certain parts of the game. And sure, I for one have put forward some ideas to create discussion. But where do you think all these idea's from from? Surely people aren't coming up with all these sound ideas, just to get their seat? I respect the fact that candidates are coming up with ideas for new features to promote discussion, but it seems like for most people this is where the bulk of their campaign strategy lies. Personally I'd like to see someone who's listening directly to what the community have to say, taking their points on board, then going to CCP with the issues and presenting them in a well structured fashion. At present, quite a few of the CSM campaigns I've seen have centered primarily around ideas that the candidates want to have fixed or implemented. This leads me to think that rather than going to CCP with community issues, some of the people if elected will go to CCP with the approach of "hey guys, I got an awesome idea for new content", therefore pushing their own agenda while the voice of the community (the voice that the CSM are supposed to represent) is left out in the cold. Originally by: LaVista Vista I think majority of the people who i see having a good chance of getting in, can actually see the difference between community and person interests. If they can't, people just shouldn't vote for them. I beg to differ, hence why I'll probably be voting for Hardin, depending on the rest of the official lineup. Well, i kind of understand what your saying, but i don't get some of your logic. I still think most candidates can see the difference between personal and community interest, they eventually just don't want to. The idea is that CSM HAS to discuss issues which were supported by 5% of the population(We can discuss this number in another thread, one could argue its too much), at the first coming CSM meeting. So say candidates DO have the intention of pushing forward personal interest, how do you think they are gonna go about it? Sure, it could happen to some degree by talking to developers outside of a meeting, or if you sponsor the issue yourself. But how is it ever gonna be so bad that, it would be "bad" for the community?
Sakura Nihil Stimulus	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:01:00 - [74] IIRC, one vote per one account - so, I'll have 3 votes. While I think this will give another unneeded ego boost to him, Jade has a very passionate plan for making 0.0 dynamic. While he obviously has an agenda, I agree with his assertion that everyone has an agenda, and that at least his is clear - there are some candidates that seem to have no plan, though, and just wish to be the "voices of the players". While that's admirable, I don't think that should be the candidate's primary focus, but rather an unstated part of their job. Second, Omber Zombie. This guy has a plethora of experience in EVE from his long time playing it, something that I think is very valuable when you're electing people that will work in a variety of issues if they're on the council. On top of that, he seems like a cool guy - reading his website, the only thing I'm a bit on the fence about is the clause describing how suicide ganking doesn't provide enough of a risk for the ganker. That being said, its a small problem, one that likely won't prevent me from voting for him. Third vote is up in the air though. I'll read through each candidate's website or blog as we approach the day of voting - if you don't have a website yet, one with a solid list of issues and solutions to address them, you're not likely to get my nod. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk i'm not a very good gambler
Max Torps Gallente eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Juwi Kotch You may have seen that whenever there is a chance (like this one) I try to point out that the CSM is not designed to promote the position of the CSM members, but to voice the opinion of the EVE community to CCP. This is even somewhat hardcoded in the CSM design, and described in length in the main CSM paper (page 16 and 17). To me it looks like that most people, including CSM candidates, are missing this bit. Juwi Kotch I've been banging on about that for some time, in all interviews I stress it and in the recent "question for csm (serious)" thread I stated it. It's about time it got some focus. EvE blogspace, free!
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:08:00 - [76] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Third vote is up in the air though. I'll read through each candidate's website or blog as we approach the day of voting - if you don't have a website yet, one with a solid list of issues and solutions to address them, you're not likely to get my nod. I can only re-iterate, it is not the list of of issues and solutions of the CSM candidates which will be brought forward to CCP during the CSM meetings, it will be the list of issues and solutions brought up by the EVE community after the election has been finished. To rely on present lists from candidates will lead to the false assumption, that these topics will be discussed. If they are, it would be simply coincidental. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:10:00 - [77] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Originally by: Sakura Nihil Third vote is up in the air though. I'll read through each candidate's website or blog as we approach the day of voting - if you don't have a website yet, one with a solid list of issues and solutions to address them, you're not likely to get my nod. I can only re-iterate, it is not the list of of issues and solutions of the CSM candidates which will be brought forward to CCP during the CSM meetings, it will be the list of issues and solutions brought up by the EVE community after the election has been finished. To rely on present lists from candidates will lead to the false assumption, that these topics will be discussed. If they are, it would be simply coincidental. Juwi Kotch Let me quote the PDF: Quote: When a topic is introduced, a seven-day counter begins. During this time, the topic is open for all individuals to deliberate. Should, after seven full days, 5% of the total society populationùor total active accountsùsupport a topic, the CSM is obligated to allocate time for that issue in their next meeting, the results of which will be posted in the public meeting notes. The time limit of seven days applies to both Representatives and voters, meaning that a Representative cannot bring a topic up at a Council meeting without having it go through deliberation on the public forum. A 5% voter support is however not required for a Representative to bring up a topic to the Council.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:28:00 - [78] I was away on vacation so I sorta tuned out EVE, only slighly, still managed a few posts a day from afar but when is the last day to enter this and if already passed where can I find the whole motley crew? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:33:00 - [79] Originally by: LaVista Vista Let me quote the PDF: Quote: When a topic is introduced, a seven-day counter begins. During this time, the topic is open for all individuals to deliberate. Should, after seven full days, 5% of the total society populationùor total active accountsùsupport a topic, the CSM is obligated to allocate time for that issue in their next meeting, the results of which will be posted in the public meeting notes. The time limit of seven days applies to both Representatives and voters, meaning that a Representative cannot bring a topic up at a Council meeting without having it go through deliberation on the public forum. A 5% voter support is however not required for a Representative to bring up a topic to the Council. This then, is of course the point at which the CSM will fail due to people wanting to push their own agendas. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
JADE DRAG0NESS Dark Scorpions Fate Weavers	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:38:00 - [80] In the end the CSM was only introduced as a PR measure. And unlike how it was originally advertised as, the council has only limited decision making power. Course this is now public knowledge because CCP got caught out at the fanfest Well it will be interesting to see which alliances get to run things. "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:40:00 - [81] Originally by: Verone This then, is of course the point at which the CSM will fail due to people wanting to push their own agendas. Im just wondering then. Why did you sign up for CSM in the first place? I don't think you would do it to push forward personal agenda. But what would make you any different from everybody else?
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:41:00 - [82] Anyone except Ankhthingy. I don't think I would be well served by a representative who is clearly emotionally disturbed. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:43:00 - [83] Originally by: Danton Marcellus I was away on vacation so I sorta tuned out EVE, only slighly, still managed a few posts a day from afar but when is the last day to enter this and if already passed where can I find the whole motley crew? Hi Danton, you can find the official Dev Blog with links to all the important documents here, and the list of the candidates (as far as we know it, since CCP has not offered an official list yet) here, and as a sticky on top of this General Discussions board. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:46:00 - [84] Originally by: Cipher7 Edited by: Cipher7 on 13/04/2008 11:29:21 Either Jade, Hardin or Serenity. While Guomindong has some good ideas, I don't think its healthy to have any of the big alliances represented, all they ever talk about is POS crap which alot of us don't care about. Anke is...a little too carebear for me. While yes there is alot of griefing in Eve, almost all of it can be avoided. The root of griefing is actually meta-gaming, everybody has so many alts which makes any kind of retribution or justice impossible. Imagine if : GTC trade was gone, everybody pays $15 a month. Skill training times are cut to 1/3 across the board. Mining ships all come with vastly improved cargo capacity. Suddenly you will see most people have 1 char 1 acct, no more 3 hulk 1 hauler mining veld, no more 5 R&D agent alts, no more using moon mining to fund an army of Freighter pilots in Empire, less lag, real retribution against real people. This idea would lose me almost 40M SP, which I paid for with real money (I have never bought or sold a GTC), and two characters which I use for non-griefing purposes (mining, trade, exploration, leadership, hauling). How do you propose I be compensated? Can I combine all the skills I have paid to train on my alts into my main? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 18:54:00 - [85] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Verone This then, is of course the point at which the CSM will fail due to people wanting to push their own agendas. Im just wondering then. Why did you sign up for CSM in the first place? I don't think you would do it to push forward personal agenda. But what would make you any different from everybody else? Because I've always been of the opinion that what is done is done for the greater good, not for the benefit of any one person. Given our history, you should know that. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:02:00 - [86] Originally by: Verone Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Verone This then, is of course the point at which the CSM will fail due to people wanting to push their own agendas. Im just wondering then. Why did you sign up for CSM in the first place? I don't think you would do it to push forward personal agenda. But what would make you any different from everybody else? Because I've always been of the opinion that what is done is done for the greater good, not for the benefit of any one person. Given our history, you should know that. Of course, don't get me wrong. I even wrote what you just said. But what makes you different? Would nobody else be able to do the same? Because surely CSM can't be a failure, if just a few of the people are like you.
nemississ eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:05:00 - [87] If im not mistaken Jade constantine is confirmed GH-SC so definatly not voting for her
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:09:00 - [88] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Originally by: Danton Marcellus I was away on vacation so I sorta tuned out EVE, only slighly, still managed a few posts a day from afar but when is the last day to enter this and if already passed where can I find the whole motley crew? Hi Danton, you can find the official Dev Blog with links to all the important documents here, and the list of the candidates (as far as we know it, since CCP has not offered an official list yet) here, and as a sticky on top of this General Discussions board. Juwi Kotch It was the april fools date I vaguely recalled, must be why I put it out of my mind, no way I could be bothered to think about anything but my trip at the time. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:10:00 - [89] Originally by: nemississ If im not mistaken Jade constantine is confirmed GH-SC so definatly not voting for her Where is that confirmation? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:12:00 - [90] Originally by: LaVista Vista But what makes you different? Would nobody else be able to do the same? Because surely CSM can't be a failure, if just a few of the people are like you. What makes me different doesn't matter, since I'm no longer running. I also don't doubt that people would be able to do the same, that's never been my issue. Whether the CSM is a success or a failure will depend entirely on whether people will vote with the views of the community in mind, or whether they'll vote with whomever can put forward enough of their own ideas that they'd like to see implemented/repaired. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:12:00 - [91] Originally by: nemississ If im not mistaken Jade constantine is confirmed GH-SC so definatly not voting for her rofl. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.13 19:29:00 - [92] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Second, Omber Zombie. This guy has a plethora of experience in EVE from his long time playing it, something that I think is very valuable when you're electing people that will work in a variety of issues if they're on the council. On top of that, he seems like a cool guy - reading his website, the only thing I'm a bit on the fence about is the clause describing how suicide ganking doesn't provide enough of a risk for the ganker. That being said, its a small problem, one that likely won't prevent me from voting for him. Thanks Sak for the vote of confidence . My position is more that under it's current structure, suicide ganking is more profitable than not doing it. Yes, there is the security status hit, but other than that, there is no penalty for it. I think it may have been Crovan that mentioned the idea of possibly having standings changed rather than just security status so eventually you are unable to enter certain areas of the various empires due to crimes committed within their borders. On the other hand you may get a bit of a security boost for doing said acts within certain areas too. i.e gank someone in Gallente space and you get a 1 point standing decrease to the Gallente navy (or any other associated corps), but at the same time you get a 0.05 point boost to the Caldari navy. It would be a nice tie in to faction warfare and mean that while you can't just flit around the empires endlessly ganking people, you're helping 'service' some of the opposing empire's goals and getting a bit of a reward to offset the major penalty. Then again, I also think the insurance system as a whole needs to be looked at as currently it's pointless insuring a t2 ship and the blanket insurance everyone gets needs some tinkering. Another tie in to factional warfare may be to make insurance based on the way your ship dies - i.e. you're Gallente and died fighting 60%+ Caldari enemies in empire, you get 110% insurance payout, but the cost to insure your ship within Caldari space goes up 10%. Or another idea may be to have insurance bought in empire only covers empire space, dying in 0.0 means no insurance. But then you cold have the conquerable stations have insurance agents that only insure ships for 0.0 space. Or then again we could have the modular insurance systems where players can become insurance agents through the contract system - there's a new profession for eve, insurance salesman All of those are ideas, I'm not going to push them personally, but they are out there for people to look at and say: "omg Oz is a newb, that wouldn't work for x,y,z reasons" or, "yeah, that's cool, but what if we did this instead?" anyway, i think my point is, all the CSM members have their own ideas about multiple facets of the game (at least I hope they do) but pushing their own agenda shouldn't be the priority. Half of the priority of the council is to present the issues the playerbase has to CCP, the other half is to take those initial ideas and work with the playerbase to come up with a solution that won't be thrown out of discussion as soon as CCP sees it due to a lack of content, lack of explanation, gamebreaking or going entirely against the spirit of eve. woah, that was a lot more typing than I thought, apologies for the wall of text/rambling. ---------------------- CSM 08 Blog \| 1st Campaign Vid
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.13 20:04:00 - [93] Originally by: Omber Zombie Originally by: Sakura Nihil Second, Omber Zombie. This guy has a plethora of experience in EVE from his long time playing it, something that I think is very valuable when you're electing people that will work in a variety of issues if they're on the council. On top of that, he seems like a cool guy - reading his website, the only thing I'm a bit on the fence about is the clause describing how suicide ganking doesn't provide enough of a risk for the ganker. That being said, its a small problem, one that likely won't prevent me from voting for him. Thanks Sak for the vote of confidence . My position is more that under it's current structure, suicide ganking is more profitable than not doing it. Yes, there is the security status hit, but other than that, there is no penalty for it. I think it may have been Crovan that mentioned the idea of possibly having standings changed rather than just security status so eventually you are unable to enter certain areas of the various empires due to crimes committed within their borders. On the other hand you may get a bit of a security boost for doing said acts within certain areas too. i.e gank someone in Gallente space and you get a 1 point standing decrease to the Gallente navy (or any other associated corps), but at the same time you get a 0.05 point boost to the Caldari navy. It would be a nice tie in to faction warfare and mean that while you can't just flit around the empires endlessly ganking people, you're helping 'service' some of the opposing empire's goals and getting a bit of a reward to offset the major penalty. Then again, I also think the insurance system as a whole needs to be looked at as currently it's pointless insuring a t2 ship and the blanket insurance everyone gets needs some tinkering. Another tie in to factional warfare may be to make insurance based on the way your ship dies - i.e. you're Gallente and died fighting 60%+ Caldari enemies in empire, you get 110% insurance payout, but the cost to insure your ship within Caldari space goes up 10%. Or another idea may be to have insurance bought in empire only covers empire space, dying in 0.0 means no insurance. But then you cold have the conquerable stations have insurance agents that only insure ships for 0.0 space. Or then again we could have the modular insurance systems where players can become insurance agents through the contract system - there's a new profession for eve, insurance salesman All of those are ideas, I'm not going to push them personally, but they are out there for people to look at and say: "omg Oz is a newb, that wouldn't work for x,y,z reasons" or, "yeah, that's cool, but what if we did this instead?" anyway, i think my point is, all the CSM members have their own ideas about multiple facets of the game (at least I hope they do) but pushing their own agenda shouldn't be the priority. Half of the priority of the council is to present the issues the playerbase has to CCP, the other half is to take those initial ideas and work with the playerbase to come up with a solution that won't be thrown out of discussion as soon as CCP sees it due to a lack of content, lack of explanation, gamebreaking or going entirely against the spirit of eve. woah, that was a lot more typing than I thought, apologies for the wall of text/rambling. Also this man. It shall be a difficult choice.
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.13 20:45:00 - [94] Originally by: Verone Other people have put across all these cool ideas of THEIR OWN. The CSM isn't an opportunity for representitives to push their own manifesto and agenda. Representitives should be there to listen to the community and put the wider view of the playerbase accross to the development team, not their own. Which is exactly what I have been doing with my Take Care platform. As you can see on my website, we've been gathering a lot of input from the players, and I have appointed advisors to give me their view of matters before I take up any issues. We've also been very active in game, talking actively to the players and listening to their concerns. There is a lot floating around in game that isn't said on the forums. A lot of people do not post on the forums at all due to the attitude of people here, but they are good players and deserve to be represented.
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.13 21:03:00 - [95] dunno yet really. candidates of interest for me atm: goumindong, torn soul and maybe hardin Maybe i'll vote one, all or none of them. really depends on the final list of candidates, the ongoing election campaigns. i'd like to see people that have an agenda. some people think of the csm as kind of a impartial filter that suggests ideas of the community to ccp. for me i see it rather like a represantative democracy. the candidates have their lobby which votes for them. the solid represantation of those groups in csm will then hopefully allow for constructive work and a bit more than just forwarding what people say in the forum.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.13 21:43:00 - [96] Originally by: Verone Originally by: LaVista Vista But what makes you different? Would nobody else be able to do the same? Because surely CSM can't be a failure, if just a few of the people are like you. What makes me different doesn't matter, since I'm no longer running. I also don't doubt that people would be able to do the same, that's never been my issue. Whether the CSM is a success or a failure will depend entirely on whether people will vote with the views of the community in mind, or whether they'll vote with whomever can put forward enough of their own ideas that they'd like to see implemented/repaired. I disagree, the CSM need strong wills and novel approaches to things or those will be long unproductive meetings where people exchange long and winded curtious phrases. Jade more and more looks like my candidate, not only for the endless monologue capabilities but for me believing she'll be the one candidate pushing an own agenda. Yes own agenda which I do think will be for the betterment of the game overall mind you, not everyone agenda is worthy of following through on and I do think people need to balls up and put forth their agendas and not just ride the fence saying they'll be listening to everyone. You're supposed to be the illuminati, act superior damnit or step off! Half in jest. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 22:02:00 - [97] Danton, maybe you haven't read everything, what I would totally understand, since things are piling up here, but it has been said frequently already: There cannot be a CSM candidate's agenda. And if one has one, it would be just as good as John Doe's agenda in Usi Pator Tech School station. The CSM members are not to pursue their own agenda. They get their agenda set via an elaborate proposing and voting system monitored and moderated by CCP - after they have been elected. It is more important to understand the general mindset of a candidate, his/her set of values and goals for the EVE universe. That might coincidate with your topics, then you have found your candidate. And if that mindset is found in what Jade has described among all her ideas, then she might be your candidate. But agenda or not, is irrelevant. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.13 22:10:00 - [98] Elaborate and monitored, what's this, an re-enactment of 1984? If this is just another spoonfed focusgroup I'd be sorely dissapointed. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.13 22:17:00 - [99] Focusgroup, yes. Spoonfed, no. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.13 22:31:00 - [100] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 13/04/2008 22:31:42 Not sure if there is a CSM candidate that shares my views so I'm still undecided. I absolutely detest PVP to such an extent that I refuse to fire back and defend myself if attacked and think that all griefers should be detained and rehabilitated IRL because they are obviously psychopaths with no feelings for their fellow man.Inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. I still hope that CCP takes responsibility some day and stops encouraging strife and 'evil' behaviour and instead encourage peaceful cooperative play instead of being so competetive.I don't think it is fun to win at anything,what is the point of winning? Even though the game does not require people to take other players into account, I'm very surprised that almost noone does it due to conscience and morality issues. I mean, you have a nice simulated world with almost endless possibilities, why turn it into a hell when it can be heaven?I think it's cool to have huge fleets flying around that do not even engage in combat. Being a solo player I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing).Watching digits on screen grow bigger is exactly what Eve is to me. I think casual play is, and should continue to be, a valid playstyle for Eve. Eve is a game, and people play games to relax. People play in highsec because they do not want a frantic rat-race, they want to sit back and play without Eve demanding their undivided attention. For this reason, I disagree when people say "keep watching local till you got eyestrain, and keep your hand on the mouse at all times so your ship remains perfectly aligned with the station so you can twitch it back to safety for when those punks show up!" Try mining for a day with the game having your undivided attention, I don't think you can manage that without your brain protesting. Now try mining while watching a movie or browsing the net. I think the latter is perfectly acceptable and shouldn't be punished by suicide gankings. If this game needs anything, it's more people like me. I just hope I can find the right candidate.
Komaito AFK	Posted - 2008.04.13 22:39:00 - [101] Not sure yet, but I'll probably vote for the only candidate I know a bit. What worries me about these hustings, I don't get the feeling there is an important election campaign going on ingame. There should a campaign going on in the world of eve and the pilots should be in the midst of it. Suggestions: - Candidates put adverts in billboards - Candidates get blinky ships with colors and a custom logo and a slogan on it - Candidate's ship is equipped with the "brochure smartbomb", charged with brochures: If activated, all target in a radius of 30 km get a brochure of the candidate in the cargo bay - 2 times everyday, candidates can activate the "letter doomsday" in their ship: After activation, everyone in local gets a mail of the candidate in his mailbox - Candidates can place "ballpen containers" close to the exit points of up to 4 stations: Every ship exiting gets a ballpen with the logo of the candidate in it's cargo hold Any more ideas that the election campaign feels more "real"?
Vyktor Abyss The Abyss Corporation Abyss Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.13 23:49:00 - [102] Internet spaceships elections.... Serious business.
Snarker Caldari Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.14 00:13:00 - [103] I am definitely voting for Jade Constantine. He has the right vision of what Eve should be, and is working towards it. ----------------------------------------
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.14 00:38:00 - [104] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 13/04/2008 23:01:45 Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 13/04/2008 22:31:42 Not sure if there is a CSM candidate that shares my views so I'm still undecided. Being a solo player I don't have any corpmates, I play this game all by myself. I guess I'm the typical player that sees Eve as a singleplayer game with a nice integrated chat (and I hardly even use that thing).Watching digits on screen grow bigger is exactly what Eve is to me. I absolutely detest PVP to such an extent that I refuse to fire back and defend myself if attacked and think that all griefers should be detained and rehabilitated IRL because they are obviously psychopaths with no feelings for their fellow man.Inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. I'll never understand that. Surely people have some kind of concience, and some empathy and compassion towards other people? Maybe they just forget that there's a real person behind those ships. Maybe they don't care. Maybe they're ruthless psychopatich sadists. I still hope that CCP takes responsibility some day and stops encouraging strife and 'evil' behaviour and instead encourage peaceful cooperative play instead of being so competetive.I don't think it is fun to win at anything,what is the point of winning? Even though the game does not require people to take other players into account, I'm very surprised that almost noone does it due to conscience and morality issues. I mean, you have a nice simulated world with almost endless possibilities, why turn it into a hell when it can be heaven?I think it's cool to have huge fleets flying around that do not even engage in combat. I think casual play is, and should continue to be, a valid playstyle for Eve. Eve is a game, and people play games to relax. People play in highsec because they do not want a frantic rat-race, they want to sit back and play without Eve demanding their undivided attention. For this reason, I disagree when people say "keep watching local till you got eyestrain, and keep your hand on the mouse at all times so your ship remains perfectly aligned with the station so you can twitch it back to safety for when those punks show up!" Try mining for a day with the game having your undivided attention, I don't think you can manage that without your brain protesting. Now try mining while watching a movie or browsing the net. I think the latter is perfectly acceptable and shouldn't be punished by suicide gankings. If this game needs anything, it's more people like me. I just hope I can find the right candidate. I play casually as a pirate... So yes I PVP and I love it. Casual play does not only entail research, manufacturing, production, trading, missioning or mining. Any play style can be casual by definition if you find it enjoyable and not time consuming to do. I find that managing market orders, hauling materials, or mission running and other industry or typical "carebear activities" is boring and time consuming, and not what I'd like to do in eve unless it is only part time to augment my main profession. On the other hand, you could just be a very well written troll and if that is the case... you got me ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Vlomini Drayk Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.14 01:48:00 - [105] The only 3 I have ever heard of before the CSM or seen posting regularly are Guomindong, Hardin and Jade Constantine. Hardin seems like an intelligent, RP'er whose done a lot in this game and seems to be quite fair. Jade is the same but I'd prefer not having the devs die of old age before he/she gets the point across. Guomindong seems to have the most balanced and knowledgeable approach to the game out of the ones I have seen.
libertarian cole	Posted - 2008.04.14 04:37:00 - [106] Just out of curiosity will "None of the Above" be an option?
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.14 05:30:00 - [107] Originally by: libertarian cole Just out of curiosity will "None of the Above" be an option? I have yet to hear about this being the case on ballots in real life. So i assume that if you don't want anyone of the candidates, you just don't vote. Because, really, a "None of the above" option won't make a difference to the end result compared to people just not voting.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.14 05:33:00 - [108] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: libertarian cole Just out of curiosity will "None of the Above" be an option? I have yet to hear about this being the case on ballots in real life. So i assume that if you don't want anyone of the candidates, you just don't vote. Because, really, a "None of the above" option won't make a difference to the end result compared to people just not voting. Maybe a "none of the above" option could be used like an indictment of the candidates as all being unqualified in the mind of that particular voter.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.14 05:44:00 - [109] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Maybe a "none of the above" option could be used like an indictment of the candidates as all being unqualified in the mind of that particular voter. Well, i would love to see it implemented for sake for statistics. But i see no other purpose for it than that. We already have plenty people whining about how none of the candidates are any good, yet none of them actually is running for candidate themselves. So really, i can't REALLY justify it. Also, i think that we have plenty qualified people, running for candidate. People like Verone(Who sadly pulled out), Serenity Steele, Jade etc. are all very smart people, with very distinct backgrounds. So really, i don't have faith in people who say that there's no good candidates. It seems to me like hypocracy to some degree. People would vote "None of the above" in order to just be rebel and go against the system. Sure, a few of them makes some good points. But i think the outcome of CSM1 will largely depend on the community as a whole. If people were faced with the scenario of having to vote for the person who should rather save their lifes, i think it will be quite different.
Kaaze Meriivaas	Posted - 2008.04.14 06:07:00 - [110] Originally by: Rawr Cristina CSM is just a forum warrior/EFT rambo popularity contest anyway. I'm kind of stumped that CCP thought it was a good idea. eh, someone told the new york times they were doing this in response to the T20 thing, so they have to ... though what they're doing is not really what they proposed in the times article (I'm pretty sure the original "board of players" idea included auditing of possible dev misconduct, this version of the CSM sounds like a meet-and-greet with lapdances and keychains). I'll vote for whoever promises to go after dev throat with really sharp, pointy questions.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2008.04.14 06:17:00 - [111] Person who's 1st gen aka. BETA gen. No point voting others because they don't know ** about this game. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"**
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:12:00 - [112] Originally by: libertarian cole Just out of curiosity will "None of the Above" be an option? Yes, there will be this option: Originally by: CCP Xhagen Originally by: Chribba Will there be a "none of the above" option for the voting - like in RL voting, or will this be a "only X pilots voted so we blame it on lack of participation" rather than people being unhappy with it all? IIRC Zapateros post of the EON awards, there was less pilots voting in total than pilots flying with the Goons. Which in that case made it pretty easy to blame lack of participation rather than maybe people being unhappy with the choices? There will be an 'abstain' option. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:14:00 - [113] Originally by: Juwi Kotch Yes, there will be this option: Ah excellent, thanks for the clarification. I hope CCP will release the statistics for the vote, so that we can see how many heretics there will be to make see the light for next time!
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:32:00 - [114] Edited by: Tzar''rim on 14/04/2008 08:32:37 Originally by: Verone Originally by: Sqalevon My vote atm would go to Jade, I like all his ideas. Leandro would also be intresting if he would write more about how he wants to solve fleet battles. And I really respect Hardin, but I haven't seen any concrete sollutions from him yet, just that he wants to make the game better. Exactly the reason I'll probably be voting for Hardin, he seems to be one of few who's very open minded. Other people have put across all these cool ideas of THEIR OWN. The CSM isn't an opportunity for representitives to push their own manifesto and agenda. Representitives should be there to listen to the community and put the wider view of the playerbase accross to the development team, not their own. It's one of the reasons I'm not voting, right now most candidates already put their focus and bias in and make this into some sort of political election... Which it isn't. The ones that treat it like that clearly have not understood what the CSM's job will/should be and thus, by default, lost my vote.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:36:00 - [115] I'm voting for Hardin - he's the right man for the job Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.04.14 08:46:00 - [116] Voting for Oz because he's Oz
Cipher7 Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.04.14 09:33:00 - [117] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Cipher7 Edited by: Cipher7 on 13/04/2008 11:29:21 Either Jade, Hardin or Serenity. While Guomindong has some good ideas, I don't think its healthy to have any of the big alliances represented, all they ever talk about is POS crap which alot of us don't care about. Anke is...a little too carebear for me. While yes there is alot of griefing in Eve, almost all of it can be avoided. The root of griefing is actually meta-gaming, everybody has so many alts which makes any kind of retribution or justice impossible. Imagine if : GTC trade was gone, everybody pays $15 a month. Skill training times are cut to 1/3 across the board. Mining ships all come with vastly improved cargo capacity. Suddenly you will see most people have 1 char 1 acct, no more 3 hulk 1 hauler mining veld, no more 5 R&D agent alts, no more using moon mining to fund an army of Freighter pilots in Empire, less lag, real retribution against real people. This idea would lose me almost 40M SP, which I paid for with real money (I have never bought or sold a GTC), and two characters which I use for non-griefing purposes (mining, trade, exploration, leadership, hauling). How do you propose I be compensated? Can I combine all the skills I have paid to train on my alts into my main? Wasn't exactly a proposal. It was a John Lennon style "imagine" What if. Aint never gonna happen tho.
Seetesh Caldari Pixels Docks	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:04:00 - [118] Goumindong because hes more thoughtout
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:07:00 - [119] Are there any rules against buying/selling votes? I mean, free trip to Iceland could be worth of few billions spent on "donations" to corporations, in exchange for member votes. WTS 6 votes.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:20:00 - [120] Originally by: Robacz Are there any rules against buying/selling votes? I mean, free trip to Iceland could be worth of few billions spent on "donations" to corporations, in exchange for member votes. WTS 6 votes. 1mill/vote
Saldoro Disco Biscuits New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.04.14 10:34:00 - [121] Why would anyone vote for a Goon except for other Goons? All they are hoping to do is further their own agenda at this level. Remember these are the guys that staged a PR campaign against CCP via a threadnaugtht and posts across gaming boards and social networking sites. They only play for their enjoyment and don't care about Eve in general. They have proven time and time again that they'll use all the tools available to further their agenda including the super-cap nerf because they couldn't beat BoB wiothout it and their attempt to nerf fighters. So I'll be voting for anyone that isn't affiliated with those cheating and malicious as$holes. ---- Disco Biscuits, Baby!
swampeeeden The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.14 11:46:00 - [122] Hardin .......Top bloke http://hardinfaq.blogspot.com/
fuze Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.04.14 12:08:00 - [123] Originally by: Verone What makes me different doesn't matter, since I'm no longer running. I also don't doubt that people would be able to do the same, that's never been my issue. I'm glad you've withdraw. Not that I don't like you (you seem a good bloke to me) but I'd hat to see that the CSM are all forum ***s or Eve-tv people getting votes because people can remember their name or face. And doing it with commitment means it will eat time you don't have while running a corp/alliance. Quote:** Whether the CSM is a success or a failure will depend entirely on whether people will vote with the views of the community in mind, or whether they'll vote with whomever can put forward enough of their own ideas that they'd like to see implemented/repaired. My vote is for the person who can give some excellent arguments when CCP decides to implement one of their ludicrous plans once more. It does happen they have good plans on occasion though. And he/she has to find out what IA is about.
Rufus Britton	Posted - 2008.04.14 12:22:00 - [124] Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures. I joined up with her party the moment I heard she was running. At least she is open-minded and actually listens to others instead of being some ego-tripper that only wants to be in the CSM for more epeen, like some of the other candidates seem to be. If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out, especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. She knows the technical stuff behind a game, and how changes to game mechanics affect the players and the communities. She genuinely is interested in making the game better and more interesting for everyone.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.04.14 13:08:00 - [125] Originally by: Rufus Britton Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures. There's a lot more to Hardin than one-liners and funny pictures. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
XxWaltarxX Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.14 14:51:00 - [126] To quote Lavista Vista. "The question has been put forward countless of times. Why should you vote for anybody? Will it ever make a difference anyways? Its important to realise what makes a good candidate for the council. And i suppose in the end, people do want candidates who share the same beliefs as them. While i agree, i think its important that a candidate is impartial to a large degree. Of course, people will talk more about their own interests. But you cant stop that. Thus, you should elect someone who can represent everybody. In the end, if a person is well-qualified to the position, yet has no "name" to speak of, that person would very likely do it just as well as if someone extremely famous it did. Its important that a council member can represent as many sides of an issue as possible, and do so in a nice way. And the person should be able to differenciate personal interest from public opinion. Its of course a bonus if a member can relate to the issue in question with personal experience. But it shouldnt matter beyond the fact that the person is also a member of the community, and has a say aswell." He speaks as a leader who is here to help make changes to the game from the people. Not for his own gain. He already helped make a great Eve bank for the players, how cool is that? I already made 100 mill from intrest alone. What else is this man capable of? He also runs a podcast. All in the name of Eve online. I say vote Lavista Vista. What else can he do to make the game a funner place?
Brusen Caldari Norwegian Hood United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.14 14:59:00 - [127] Originally by: Rufus Britton If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out, especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. She knows the technical stuff behind a game, and how changes to game mechanics affect the players and the communities. She genuinely is interested in making the game better and more interesting for everyone. So if I want it easier to attack a high sec farmer/macro, she will disregard personal views and make the game more interesting for me and my alliance members? As who I will be voting for is MongWen, since I trust him and I know his views on issues that matter to me and my alliance mates. anyways best of luck to everyone.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.14 15:07:00 - [128] If you ever listened to Davey, you'd vote for him too. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Ankhesentapemkah Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.14 15:27:00 - [129] Originally by: Brusen So if I want it easier to attack a high sec farmer/macro, she will disregard personal views and make the game more interesting for me and my alliance members? As who I will be voting for is MongWen, since I trust him and I know his views on issues that matter to me and my alliance mates. You and your alliance is not everyone. So, if we extrapolate on your example, to make it easier to attack highsec people and you have a well-worked out idea, then by all means, tell me. However, there also should be something for the rest of the players to stop you from doing that. Meaningful consequences for criminal actions. Right now highsec PVP is broken, boring and without consequence for the criminals, as they can always play the fight on their own terms. It's time to give bounty hunters and vigilantees something to do as well. I think faction warfare is a great framework to spice things up for everyone, including you and your corporation.
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.14 17:27:00 - [130] Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 14/04/2008 17:27:54 Originally by: Rufus Britton Ankhesentapemkah of course! She's a bit like Hardin, but actually with intelligence, content and insight instead of oneliners and 'funny' pictures.. Yeah,she just posts links to real life incidents and non applicable or hypothetical situations and tries to relate them to Eve. Originally by: Rufus Britton At least she is open-minded and actually listens to others Open minded?You are joking ofc. Originally by: Rufus Britton If you'd read some of the interviews, Ankh really stands out. If you read Her previous posts that she made BEFORE deciding to go for the free trip to Iceland and she really,really stands out!I would ignore the propaganda she pushes on her web site or blog.If you want to see Anks motivation and true feelings read the rubbish she posted BEFORE she decided to run for CSM. Originally by: Rufus Britton especially thanks to her prior experience, being game designer and ultima online freeserver admin and such. Quote: Yeah her UO server was PvP /off iirc.That's good if you don't want a PvP game I suppose. I suggest you read my previous post in this thread.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.04.14 18:08:00 - [131] Originally by: nemississ If im not mistaken Jade constantine is confirmed GH-SC so definatly not voting for her I can set your mind at rest there old chap. I'm definitely not GH-SC. I started playing Eve a long long time before the current iteration of GH-SC was formed. There have been some incidental crossovers over time (with eve being a single-server environment these things are inevitable). We once had Raem Civre and NT Rabbit in our corporation for example in the first year of eve, and we once had Tyrrax's "Throneworlds Church of Sin and Absolution" in the first iteration of Star Fraction for a few weeks. And for the record I quite enjoy the extreme levels of intrigue and backstabbing that GH-SC bring into the game and I think they help make the setting dark and dangerous and very adult. But as for me being one? Nope. For one thing it takes way too much time playing that kind of deep cover operative game and at heart I'm a fan of actual pvp combat and small unit tactics. And to be honest, Tyrrax and I haven't exactly agreed on much for the last three years :) So I'm afraid you are mistaken Nemississ. Glad to set you straight!
Troye Gallente Strix Armaments and Defence	Posted - 2008.04.14 18:18:00 - [132] I havnt been keeping up to date with it but I'm prolly gunna vote Jade, I remember her from way back "in the day" and she's always showed an intelligence and dedication to eve. She's also been an active member of the RP comunity, glad to learn she's taking part. _______________________________________ "Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics...Even if you win, you're still ******. "
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.04.14 18:39:00 - [133] Now with regard to the point some have made on this thread about the campaign focus/personal interests of the candidates for the CSM, yes, I make no bones about my specific intention to promote improvement for those aspects of the game I personally (and many other players) specifically enjoy. Small unit PVP combat, meaningful territorial disputes, mobile infrastructure, enhanced empire wars and conflict paradigms, faction warfare. These are things I believe are absolutely vital to the future health and development of the game of Eve online and I know I'm not alone in wishing these things promoted with strength and urgency. ItÆs very important that the CSM contains voices with various specific interests representing a cross section of the community. We definitely need people running on platforms of corporate structure improvement; we do need guyÆs expert with all the problems with the GUI and associated bugs and shortcomings. We need guys who are expert on the economy and can come up with decent advocacy for formalized share-trading and general industrial enhancement. What we don't need are half a dozen clones of the same big alliance rep saying exactly the same thing and arguing either PRO or ANTI POS nerfing based on the current military situation their parent alliance finds itself in. This is why some actual independence of mega-alliance politics is vital. Now I know I've likely put a few noses out of joint by saying from day one "these are the things I think need fixing" and "these are the issues I'm going to promise to promote" but ultimately I preferred to be absolutely upfront about that bias rather than claiming I would be able to represent whatever selection of policies might get the most votes or simply being "a generalized good rep". Somebody earlier in this thread said of my history in Eve Online that I polarize politics and thatÆs true really. I stand up and say what I think and if you agree with me thatÆs great! If you don't agree with me thatÆs great too! But I'd rather see strong and honest opinions clearly expressed by passionate individuals at the CSM than have the whole thing submerge as a damp squib junket where nothing contentious or exciting ever gets proposed. Eve is a game about taking risks. Eve is a game that refused to follow the pack. Eve is a game that threw away the rulebook and decided to make a death penalty that hurts. Its big bold, adult, brutal and heart-pounding excitement where decisions matter and victory is so sweet. I think we need a council of CSM representatives who feel this passion and have the courage to stand up and say what they think needs putting right and fronting up their policy choices and preferences to the Eve electorate so everyone can make an informed decision and genuine choice. So, if I get elected I'll use my position on the CSM to try and do some good for the game of Eve and re-capture some of the genuine wonder and enjoyment that has kept me addicted to the pvp-combat side of the game for almost five years now. Anyone who knows me knows that I'm good for my promises and am not the sort of person to sit down and shut up and enjoy the air-ticket without trying as hard as I can to make a significant difference while I'm in the role. If the first CSM is formed of nine candidates with reputation, personal charisma, drive, enthusiasm and specific interests to improve and enhance aspects of the game and community of Eve Online then it'll be a huge success. I'm committed to making that happen and I'm glad to see some other high quality entrants on the candidate-list ... guys like Serenity Steele, Omber Zombie, Tornsoul and Hardin are excellent long term players with their own specific interests and areas of specialty in the game. I've played Eve alongside these chaps for five years odd now and though we differ on policy priorities (and even fight IC wars against each other!) the mutual respect as long term fellow players cannot be denied.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.04.14 19:01:00 - [134] Originally by: Sakura Nihil While I think this will give another unneeded ego boost to him, Jade has a very passionate plan for making 0.0 dynamic. While he obviously has an agenda, I agree with his assertion that everyone has an agenda, and that at least his is clear - there are some candidates that seem to have no plan, though, and just wish to be the "voices of the players". While that's admirable, I don't think that should be the candidate's primary focus, but rather an unstated part of their job. Ah Sak Reality is its not so much "my plan" for making 0.0 dynamic, but a matched set of policy priorities gathered from playing Eve tactical pvp combat with some of the best and most imaginative players in the game over the last few years. It'd be wrong to claim these ideas are all my ideas, they are gathered from a whole variety of places and reflect the opinions of many people who put the good of a fluid and compelling pvp combat model above personal, corp and alliance interest and just want to see the fun they have had in the past preserved and enhanced in the future. My talent (if anything) is just being a stubborn sod committed to bringing these things to the attention of the powers-that-be and building a compelling argument to get things done. Some ideas are simply "good ideas" and having a general overview of what works for enjoyable game play and what doesn't helps us see the ideal directions for future game development. I make it fairly plain in my Manifesto where my interest lies - its the superb interactive space-opera living that "Iain M Banks" dream of clashing spaceships and political chaos on the frontier. Thats my interest and if its yours to then thats superb! As you say, everybody is automatically committed to "representing the player base" if they are running as a Candidate, thats not a unique selling point at all. What we need is the flash of individual drive and charisma needed to keep the devs on track and prioritizing the projects and focus vital to keeping this great game fun for this (and the next generation) of players. Hopefully the CSM electorate will dare to dream of what can be and elect a council of candidates who will reinforce the devs with all the enthusiasm and raw passion this game promotes.
Omber Zombie Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.14 21:37:00 - [135] at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison? ---------------------- CSM 08 Blog \| 1st Campaign Vid
isdisco3 Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:50:00 - [136] Edited by: isdisco3 on 15/04/2008 15:50:44 I believe the worry from Verone, and players like him, comes down to fearing that the CSM could become a place for silly political bickering (not unlike many IRL bodies) due to the candidates running on narrow platforms. IE if there's a "miner representative", he'll want to do nothing but talk about introducing new roids and making ganks in lowsec harder. If there's a 0.0 mega-alliance rep, he'll want to talk about fixing server lag and dealing with afk cloakers, for example. Obviously they'd both have more topics, but I'm simplifying for sake of argument. While all these concerns are valid, and you can argue that the summation of all the individual concerns will address the perceived zeitgeist of the EVE community, there runs the risk that these representatives are stubborn, dogmatic, and unable and unwilling to discuss matters that do not pertain to their chunk of the electorate. At this point, the CSM becomes pointless and perhaps even counter-productive, especially if the margin for an issue to be discussed is as low as 5%, because all it takes is for one group to get together, whine on forums, and use up invaluable CSM time for something that really won't affect anyone but them. I think the 5% thing is a bad one. While the issues should be determined somewhat democratically, requiring a fixed percentage for an issue to come forth seems arbitrary. We should run the first couple of issues via vote on forums, get a ballpark figure of the number of responders, and go from there. Also, I think the CSM should be given more autonomy than is allowed in a system requiring them to deal with issues that a small part of the playerbase wants during any given week. If they're popular enough to get elected, we really should trust them to know what they're doing, and let them do what they think is best. If they mess it up, then they won't get re-elected next time. Requiring them to have a knee-jerk automatic response to each week's organized forum ops (and you know that is going to happen) seems to trivialize what could otherwise be a more respectable and productive institution.
Darwin Duck Ark Royals	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 - [137] Where do I vote?
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:49:00 - [138] can i vote for myself? Official D'ceet CSM Page.
Kairusen Laidan Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:15:00 - [139] Dymetrie gets my vote - he seeks to help 'bears and secure Empire space. Good enough reason as any to me! Much hugz for dimatree! <3
El'Niaga Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.16 07:06:00 - [140] I see no point to it. It will be to small a slice of the EVE population to be useful for testing purposes or even idea purposes. In fact it could become the greatest mistake ever if it leads to development like the SOE focus groups of 2005....
Tatsue Nuko Stimulus	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Omber Zombie if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison? That would be funs. :D Oh and hi btw, long time. :D All that said, right now I would most likely be voting for Jade, but on the other hand I have only really researched the views of Jade and Hardin, so I have some work to do before commiting my vote.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil BLOOD EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:17:00 - [142] We have many good candidates, so far I'm to decide between 2. I guess I'll be deciding after the CSM Halls where we will have the chance to listen and understand more about each one of them. EvE-roleplayers
Uzuness Carebear Corp	Posted - 2008.04.16 11:22:00 - [143] Just like the US presidential elections.. I'm not voting. :D ----------------- I am death, the destroyer of worlds.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9 Sylph Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 12:05:00 - [144] Omber Zombie - He has the experience to look at it from all sides, is open (not all candidates are) and as far as anyone can tell in these things, honest. I feel he will look at each problem as an individual one without siding for either Alliance or area of space. Who I won't vote for is any character truley embedded within an alliance, 0.0 or other. Any character that has hung around the same place day afer day, year after year is a bad candidate for the person that wants a fair balance in this game.
Duncan Bannatyne Machiavellian Intuition	Posted - 2008.04.16 12:28:00 - [145] Well, they are all filthy carebears anyway, so as I don't wish to play Hello Kitty Online, noone. I would however make an exception for Chribba.
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.04.16 14:59:00 - [146] Originally by: Duncan Bannatyne Well, they are all filthy carebears anyway, so as I don't wish to play Hello Kitty Online, noone. Have you actually read some of the manifestos Duncan? Serious question. CSM Election Manifesto 2008
Jade Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.04.16 15:00:00 - [147] Originally by: Omber Zombie at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison? I can't see the Goons being too fond of that but we could certainly have a celebration there if it all goes well mate! CSM Election Manifesto 2008
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.04.16 15:24:00 - [148] Originally by: Omber Zombie at least if both jade and I get elected I won't be the one making the longest posts if we both make it how about the first order of business is to move the meetings to La Maison? As much as I love people that are literate could you press for a letter per post cap for the forums too if elected? I mean we gotta keep Jade in check. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As

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