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Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:43:00 - [31] In my view CCP have decided a policy of reduced forum presence / customer interaction is required. They clearly operate on a schedule for releases and now limit their forum posts to periods just prior to a new release: to stoke up interest. A good marketing technique. At the highest levels I imagine there's a feeling that EVE is pretty much finished. Its out there, it works (more or less) and now CCP are in the tweaking phase as they concentrate on their next projects. The reason for their decision to reduce their forum presence is quite clear. The extremely hostile reaction to new ideas presented by the developers is damaging to them. Theyve decided that they cant get a sensible discussion from the player base - at least not by using the forums as a medium of communication. As a result theyve come to the conclusion that the best people to talk to the player base is the players - hence the CSM. So there you have it. If the forum community had been a bit more reasoned and much less 'angry' in general youd have dev input. But the community decided not to adopt that approach. C.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:43:00 - [32] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Zeba Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. YES. This is exactly right tbafh. I don't know how many dread rituals I've performed to ensure that at least half this forum gets the plague, but whether it ever actually happens or not Zeba's statement is totally correct. You have a point, but there has been a big decrease in the number of devs posting on the forums, like Oveur, TomB, etc. In the old days they posted often, at least compared to now. Their forum presence, as well as their informative blogs, is a shadow of what it once was. Whether this is good or bad I don't know, but there does seem to be a sense of less interest in Eve than there used to be. Note that I use "seem" and "sense". It doesn't mean it's true, just that the perception is there, and that can make people worried. Maybe it is because the number of the player posts is higher and so the Dev post seem less as the percentage of Dev posts against the total number of posts is lower even if in absolute number the Dev post have remained about the same? When the Dev are 20 vs 20.000 players you have a density of dev posts, then there are 40 devs and 200.000 players, even if the total number of dev posts increase, the number of player posts increase way more (and the number of meaningful player posts don't increase in the same measure). Currently devs speak rarely in the general forum, while it is not so rare in the specific forums. That is because in the specific forum generally they get more reasonable and valid comments.

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:49:00 - [33] Originally by: Cailais At the highest levels I imagine there's a feeling that EVE is pretty much finished. Its out there, it works (more or less) and now CCP are in the tweaking phase as they concentrate on their next projects. Liked your points. Except that one. It's wrong. I'm hoping that makes you happier than not. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006

Batolemaeus Caldari Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:52:00 - [34] Yeah, PrismX, those Threads were disgusting. At least we can still poke you directly if we need you, i apreciate that. You have a lot of players supporting you, keep up the good work. hugs PrismX Oh Prismy...
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:57:00 - [35] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Wild Rho I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to. This. Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love. Do I need your sympathy? No. Just offering you practical examples from my own experience. Also, posting to show that, regardless of that, we're still lurking in the shadows. Also, we have a quite well defined direction. The fact that you're not the deciding factor in said direction does not mean we don't have any. I think its a tremendous shame you have that view now Prism X. I, for one, really appreciate the developer input to the game - it makes it feel alive with possibilities and that I might, just might, get a hand in shaping those possibilities. That said I cant see anything that can be done - I can apologise on my own behalf but not on behalf of the entire community. There are some of us, a minority perhaps, that do really value the game and want a sensible discussion with the devs but are left to discuss our views with a handful of reasoned minds here (such as La Vista Vista, Goumindong, Jade Constantine, Winterblink, Crovan Tarminic and a few others), whilst flinging mud at everyone else. Perhaps if you interact with those reasond minds others will take note (by merit of being ignored) and follow suit. Optimism ftw. C. New Scanner Idea!
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:06:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Cailais At the highest levels I imagine there's a feeling that EVE is pretty much finished. Its out there, it works (more or less) and now CCP are in the tweaking phase as they concentrate on their next projects. Liked your points. Except that one. It's wrong. I'm hoping that makes you happier than not. Yes, that probably is an unfair comment born more of frustration than anything else. Its an easy perception to foster; I see fewer dev posts, I know there are other 'irons in the fire' such as the World of Darkness MMO, and EVE is really really good. You cant help but wander to the conclusion that 'can CCP do any more?!' I am encouraged you say thats not the case however C. New Scanner Idea!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:26:00 - [37] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Wild Rho I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to. This. Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love. Do I need your sympathy? No. Just offering you practical examples from my own experience. Also, posting to show that, regardless of that, we're still lurking in the shadows. Also, we have a quite well defined direction. The fact that you're not the deciding factor in said direction does not mean we don't have any. All I can say is that I apologise on behalf of the majority of the community who are in no way represented by those persons. The level of dev interaction was one of the factors that attracted me to this game, and I do miss it. I feel ashamed that you don't even feel free to exercise your sense of humour with us - I remember the incident you referred to, but I hope you also remember that the thread was filled with responses telling that guy where to go. I don't see why you should in any way be compelled to endure abusive, hateful and even borderline threatening language as part of your job. At the very least, people who post like this should be given one warning, with a permanent forum ban for a repeat offence. It is not necessary to agree with everything that all CCP employees say and do, but I think it should be required to express disagreement in a mature, constructive fashion. I would love nothing better than to see this forum cleaned up and regular dev participation resume. Normally, I am a relentless advocate of free speech, but without your regular input, and with the flood of negative posts, these forums are not serving their proper purpose. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:35:00 - [38] It is an absolutely understandable reaction of the Devs to retreat and step back, when their attempts to communicate are not appreciated or abused. But that does not help the community at all. A better way would be to find a solution for that, rather then just hide. That is one of three main things I intend to focus on, should I be elected for the CSM. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.04.12 11:53:00 - [39] Edited by: Armoured C on 12/04/2008 11:55:42 prism for prime rib roast minister
Daelin Blackleaf Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:00:00 - [40] As the number of forum users increases so does the number of idiots. That really shouldn't stop you guys posting here. If your too busy that's great, but if the community is making you all emo you needs to man up.
CmdoColin	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:03:00 - [41] Know I'm going off on a wild tangent here... It was said eariler, is there a point where a com/org/whatever reaches a point where you can't have those cosy fireside chats. I remember almost literally bumping into a dev in a Jovian cruiser somewhere between Altar and Unertek. Was really cool and nice to chat to him. A few minutes later the system was filling up with people wanting to tell him how to fix missiles. Woulda been in 2005-ish. End of cosy fireside chat. I've worked for various companies, and the big corporates all want the agility and personal side of small start ups, but the truth is they are too big to do it. If the top 100 companies haven't found a way to foster this, then no offence to CCP, I'm not suprised they can't pull it off too. I actually think CSM stand a chance of keeping some sort of fireside chat dialog going between the developers and the community. Just gutted it ain't gonna be me. But I wanna see the transcripts right! Just keep the dev blogs coming when you can - they are the best thing I've seen any MMOG do. Audita et altera pars
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:06:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Prism X Originally by: Wild Rho I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to. This. Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love. Do I need your sympathy? No. Just offering you practical examples from my own experience. Also, posting to show that, regardless of that, we're still lurking in the shadows. Also, we have a quite well defined direction. The fact that you're not the deciding factor in said direction does not mean we don't have any. Well CCP Prism X. I hope you know that just because the games have got a few more idiots, you do still have lots of friends on these forums. People who appreciate your input. People who appreciate youor humour - no matter how crude it must be. We simply appreciate you being around since - in my view - EVE is not just a game. Its a social gatherin, where you are a important piece of! I can understand its not tempting to post when meeting such asshats on the forums, but I hope you and your collegues an shrug them of! When it comes to Kieron, Yees its sad he is not with us anymore! Personally I would have liked it if he could come to the forums and said "So long and thanks for all the fish" - he was a community manager after all! But besides that, people do move between jobs all the time! And theres no need for speculation in why ahe quit!
Armoured C Gallente Globaltech Industries The ENTITY.	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:10:00 - [43] can i be your friend
Big Al The Aftermath	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:11:00 - [44] With their lack of forum presence they have more time to work on the game (uh oh, we're screwed).
Caiman Graystock Quantum of Solace	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:11:00 - [45] It's pretty sad and annoying to think that 10 or 20 people ***ing and arguing on a forum can so affect the mindset of the devs, but hey we're all human and being on the receiving end of that ** sucks, no matter if it's 10,000 people or 10. Unfortunately, the majority of people with no issues are probably busy enjoying the game rather than crying on the forums, and aren't heard from.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:13:00 - [46] Edited by: LaVista Vista on 12/04/2008 12:12:54 Originally by: Caiman Graystock It's pretty sad and annoying to think that 10 or 20 people ***ing and arguing on a forum can so affect the mindset of the devs, but hey we're all human and being on the receiving end of that ** sucks, no matter if it's 10,000 people or 10. Unfortunately, the majority of people with no issues are probably busy enjoying the game rather than crying on the forums, and aren't heard from. Im enjoying the game... while crying on the forum EDIT:
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:29:00 - [47] A jug of quafe and jack for the devs for putting up with us, and a amend of apologies for my fellow posters whom havent have a shred of decentcy and respect for this intellecutal property of a dedicated company thats more concerned about the game than counting the income. How to make feel low sec feel like low sec
Saori Rei Gallente Cruoris Seraphim	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:32:00 - [48] Call be a fan girl if you wish, I couldn't care less. What I will say is that even though I've only been with EvE for over a year, while it has had some ups and downs, some mistakes that now we can say were ones that shouldn't have been made (hindsight is 20/20,) I have utmost respect for CCP and most (expect the cheaters if any) of their team. They work hard to make an enjoyable game and learn as they do. They listen to their players but they also know that if they gave their players everything the wanted this would turn into some wierd WOW space hybrid with the wierdest mechanics in existance. No, EvE is good as it is and will get better. Don't abuse the staff and don't take everything so personally. While I agree that more info regarding future plans would be great, give them a chance first. :)
Priest Amarr Amarr Temple's Gate	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:32:00 - [49] Originally by: CCP Prism X Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love. I like the way CCP as a company and developers as individuals communicate with Eve residents. Its good to know they are reading forums as much as they can, and they try maintaining a professional attitude while posting. I dont think they should step in too much. If they start appearing too often in forums, they would end up going into conflicts and arguments with players. As much as we understand developers are human just like next person posting in this forum , they are still the face and mouth of CCP and their image in forums should reflect that. They should always communicate with Eve residents openly and clearly but it must be done in a way that doesnt damage CCP as a company. It seems like they are doing a good job, answering in forums when needs but keeping the arguments limited. May Blessings Be With You Priest Amarr
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:33:00 - [50] The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground.
Chaosgabe TWC	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:42:00 - [51] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. To lower myself to your level: GB2WoW Oh, and: Can i have your stuff?
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:47:00 - [52] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. Proof or stfu btw wow is that way .... sig goes here!
Cailais Amarr VITOC Chain of Chaos	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. An excellent here example of what CCPs Developers are describing and what I believe the core of the community is appaled by. For those yet to be convinced where is the constructive criticism by Rhaegor Stormborn? Why does he/she feel compeled to resort to abuse? If the problems that this poster exist (and we have no way of knowing as he doesnt elucidate them) where are his/her solutions? Suggestions? Reasoned valuable argument backed by facts and/or statistics? Senseless trolling, abuse, and vacuous statements just like this one exampled here are the reason the rest of us are deprived of dev input and discussion. While we, as a community, are prepared to tolerate this attitude we can expect dev interaction to reduce to almost nothing. C. New Scanner Idea!
Rhaegor Stormborn	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:49:00 - [54] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. An excellent here example of what CCPs Developers are describing and what I believe the core of the community is appaled by. For those yet to be convinced where is the constructive criticism by Rhaegor Stormborn? Why does he/she feel compeled to resort to abuse? If the problems that this poster exist (and we have no way of knowing as he doesnt elucidate them) where are his/her solutions? Suggestions? Reasoned valuable argument backed by facts and/or statistics? Senseless trolling, abuse, and vacuous statements just like this one exampled here are the reason the rest of us are deprived of dev input and discussion. While we, as a community, are prepared to tolerate this attitude we can expect dev interaction to reduce to almost nothing. C.
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:50:00 - [55] isnt that considered assault? How to make feel low sec feel like low sec
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:50:00 - [56] is Eve dead again or something? i've been too busy playing Eve to notice.
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:52:00 - [57] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. Oh Dear, I now understand why we no longer see the Devs on the boards if this is what they have to put up with --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Alyth Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:53:00 - [58] Originally by: ry ry is Eve dead again or something? i've been too busy playing Eve to notice. Must've happened during the night, cos I never noticed it dying during the most fun I ever had in eve yesterday evening. I love Violet! It is the prettiest color in the whole wide world!!! I like toast. Naviagtor Gah! Curse you all!
Gone'Postal Minmatar Vengeance 8 Interceptors	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Nova Fox isnt that considered assault? No it's an opinion. One shared by me tbfh. My hope is that CCP stop directing what appears to be the better people employed to "other projects" and return there focus to EvE. That is why I'm still here. V8I
Blue Binary Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 12:55:00 - [60] Originally by: Rhaegor Stormborn The company is falling apart. None of the older good people who made Eve great are left. Right now you have a bunch of idiot children running the company and driving this game into the ground. Looking at your posting history, every single one of your posts is cynical and negative towards CCP and their staff. You offer no solutions in your criticisms. If you don't like the situation, then move on with your life. ____________ Blue B⁫⁫⁫⁫inary

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