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SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:06:00 - [1] I am a tad concerned with CCP at the moment. Kieron has left CCP. Dev blogs few and far between and what Dev Blogs there have been this year are lacking any form of Dev content. The devs seem to be less willing to post on the boards that they used to. Some months ago I asked for a road map giving some indication of what was likly to happen this year in the world of Eve. Nothing. All we have had this year is a boost patch that didn't boost much and a few bug fixes and the CSM project that many find a waste of time and effort. Is this linked to Kieron moving on? Have CCP hit a creative brick wall? Is the weak dollar and sub prime chaos limiting available investment into the game. Has the whitewolf merger backfired. Are CCP diverting resources (our subs) into other projects? Are we still paying for the EVE-CHINA experiment. Is there a shortage of coffee and pizza in Iceland? Lots of question I know, but will CCP care to enlighten us as to their future plans, specifically the future of Eve. I remember when I played Earth & Beyond, the devs went silent and many moved on and a few months later, thanks to EA, the game was dead. God forbid the same will happen to CCP & Eve. Maybe its time to change my sub period from 6 months to 3 months?
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:07:00 - [2] lol.
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:10:00 - [3] What is this "Kieron Quit" tin-foil-hattery... I was pretty sure he simply got PROMOTED...
Dionisius Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:13:00 - [4] Look around the forums dude, the gm's don't care, the dev's don't care, ccp does not care. Hell if they cared the game would be better and the forums would be much better also.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:15:00 - [5] Originally by: SPIONKOP God forbid the same will happen to CCP & Eve. God lives in space too, everything is fine.
Keflin Geard The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:18:00 - [6] Originally by: Dionisius Look around the forums dude, the gm's don't care, the dev's don't care, ccp does not care. Hell if they cared the game would be better and the forums would be much better also. I'll put this as nicely as I can. Please don't post again.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:21:00 - [7] Originally by: SPIONKOP Has the whitewolf merger backfired. Are CCP diverting resources (our subs) into other projects? I don't think the whitewolf merger has backfired. As far as leaching Eve talent to the new vampire MMO I would say thats the moast likely candidate for the slowing of Eve development. Just a drunken observation so pay me nop mind.
Jennai The Greater Goon	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:44:00 - [8] Originally by: Asuka Smith What is this "Kieron Quit" tin-foil-hattery... I was pretty sure he simply got PROMOTED... if he got promoted, they would have said something. a sudden disappearance with a total lack of other dev response usually means someone got fired.
Luh Windan Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.12 05:58:00 - [9] Edited by: Luh Windan on 12/04/2008 05:59:00 bizarre - you playing the same game as me or even reading the same forums? Blogging for work is a pain in the arse. full stop. Trying to get developers to do it (I used to try get one of my teams to do it when it was all the rage) is nigh on impossible. Once in a while you get one that will but enthusiasm wains - goodness knows what is like when every blog you post is responded to like they are here. I have seen a number of posts saying things like "I hate zulupark" because he took time to discuss some ideas - so his motivation for posting is..? Secondly - there has just been a patch, there are known to be a number of long term projects - infiniband, facction, ambulation etc. all of which I doubt they want to talk about until they are done. Devs post here all the time , there have been some blogs - including the audio one as well (which I would take to be another sign it is hard to get the devs to write them) So I would have to say your theory is just tin foil hat nonsense and to be honest if I was in the position of CCP were they get slagged off here if they do communicate and they get slagged off here if they don't - I would go for no communication - you get the same amount of abuse for less effort.
Imperator Jora'h	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:02:00 - [10] Originally by: Asuka Smith What is this "Kieron Quit" tin-foil-hattery... I was pretty sure he simply got PROMOTED... Seems he is no longer with CCP (see quote below). Why I have no idea. Quote: Quite frankly we almost never announce people joining or leaving the club. I've noticed some people post less than nice things here and in other threads and while we look to the future we also miss kieron and if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. SOURCE: CCP Wrangler -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:06:00 - [11] Originally by: Luh Windan Edited by: Luh Windan on 12/04/2008 05:59:00 bizarre - you playing the same game as me or even reading the same forums? Blogging for work is a pain in the arse. full stop. Trying to get developers to do it (I used to try get one of my teams to do it when it was all the rage) is nigh on impossible. Once in a while you get one that will but enthusiasm wains - goodness knows what is like when every blog you post is responded to like they are here. I have seen a number of posts saying things like "I hate zulupark" because he took time to discuss some ideas - so his motivation for posting is..? Secondly - there has just been a patch, there are known to be a number of long term projects - infiniband, facction, ambulation etc. all of which I doubt they want to talk about until they are done. Devs post here all the time , there have been some blogs - including the audio one as well (which I would take to be another sign it is hard to get the devs to write them) So I would have to say your theory is just tin foil hat nonsense and to be honest if I was in the position of CCP were they get slagged off here if they do communicate and they get slagged off here if they don't - I would go for no communication - you get the same amount of abuse for less effort. Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Dionisius Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:12:00 - [12] Edited by: Dionisius on 12/04/2008 06:12:24 Originally by: Keflin Geard Originally by: Dionisius Look around the forums dude, the gm's don't care, the dev's don't care, ccp does not care. Hell if they cared the game would be better and the forums would be much better also. I'll put this as nicely as I can. Please don't post again. Check forums asap pls. _____________________________________ I am the destroyer of worlds and the also the cokie thief.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:13:00 - [13] Originally by: Zeba Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. YES. This is exactly right tbafh. I don't know how many dread rituals I've performed to ensure that at least half this forum gets the plague, but whether it ever actually happens or not Zeba's statement is totally correct.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.12 06:59:00 - [14] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Zeba Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. YES. This is exactly right tbafh. I don't know how many dread rituals I've performed to ensure that at least half this forum gets the plague, but whether it ever actually happens or not Zeba's statement is totally correct. You have a point, but there has been a big decrease in the number of devs posting on the forums, like Oveur, TomB, etc. In the old days they posted often, at least compared to now. Their forum presence, as well as their informative blogs, is a shadow of what it once was. Whether this is good or bad I don't know, but there does seem to be a sense of less interest in Eve than there used to be. Note that I use "seem" and "sense". It doesn't mean it's true, just that the perception is there, and that can make people worried. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
SPIONKOP Caldari Imperial Technology	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:06:00 - [15] Originally by: Luh Windan Edited by: Luh Windan on 12/04/2008 05:59:00 bizarre - you playing the same game as me or even reading the same forums? Blogging for work is a pain in the arse. full stop. Trying to get developers to do it (I used to try get one of my teams to do it when it was all the rage) is nigh on impossible. Once in a while you get one that will but enthusiasm wains - goodness knows what is like when every blog you post is responded to like they are here. I have seen a number of posts saying things like "I hate zulupark" because he took time to discuss some ideas - so his motivation for posting is..? Secondly - there has just been a patch, there are known to be a number of long term projects - infiniband, facction, ambulation etc. all of which I doubt they want to talk about until they are done. Devs post here all the time , there have been some blogs - including the audio one as well (which I would take to be another sign it is hard to get the devs to write them) So I would have to say your theory is just tin foil hat nonsense and to be honest if I was in the position of CCP were they get slagged off here if they do communicate and they get slagged off here if they don't - I would go for no communication - you get the same amount of abuse for less effort. One of the things CCP have done more than any other MMORPG is talk to the players. Respond to posts, engage with the player base on-line. Maybe Eve has simply got to big and they too busy I do not know but its simply odd that they seem to have gone quiet these last few months. You are of course correct that they can suffer abuse on the boards but I thought they always ignored those that overstep the mark, I know I did. Yes they have talked many times in the past about their long term projects but talk is cheap and as I said before they have gone very very quiet. Faction warfare is about 2 years late, ambulation is a gimik and I doubt infiniband is even off the drawing board. Its a shame that they spent so much time with the new graphics content and whilst it looks good, most people I know switched back to classic. Bells and whistles as a smokescreen for lack of direction. I fear that the CSM will be another smokescreen to hide behind whilst new content, performance improvements and balance changes are delayed. I notice the CCPGAMES web site has a raft of jobs, many in Atlanta, which makes me worry that they are diverting resources to other non Eve projects and its our subs that are paying for these projects. --------------------------------------------- Space For Rent. 100mil ISK/Week.
Silver Night Caldari Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:15:00 - [16] Of course our Subs are paying for other projects, thats how development companies continue to run. It would be nice to see more decent blogs etc. I think a large part of it is the natural, if unfortunate, change in corporate culture that comes about as a company gets so much larger. I mean, think of the difference between a company with 20 people and a company with 200. Plus, probably the worst legacy of the T20 debacle, I doubt Devs have as much freedom to play their own game anymore. All this adds up to a growing disconnect. Still, I suppose there is still hope, I wish they would bring back some of the people who helped make the game great in the first palce from places like China though -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Conrad Rock Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:17:00 - [17] Eve players are worse than WOW players. There you go, I said it, and CCP is very disappointed.
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:19:00 - [18] I wouldn't post much if whenever I did people instantly acted like I was a horrible person who deserved to be dragged out into the street and bludgeoned... The forums are a cesspool; can you really blame the devs for trying to avoid the 'floaties'? Originally by: Mangala Solaris EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
Luh Windan Minmatar Republic University	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:21:00 - [19] Originally by: SPIONKOP eve is dead (again) The whole "the graphics update is rubbish" doesn't really wash with me - I have to play the classic game on my MacBook Pro when I am away from home and while classic is still playable I would never choose it over the new graphics (which I can play when I am at home) Anyway - you seem convinced it is over so good luck finding a new game....
Gilmour Ark Royals	Posted - 2008.04.12 07:34:00 - [20] I agree, TV shop is cool! And it fits prefectly under your bed.
Frost 1232	Posted - 2008.04.12 08:12:00 - [21] Lack of direction? walk in stations better character interactions, factional warfare, That the direction don't lose faith. most DEVS iv met don't like forums or talk to the players or they do it for a while and then get sick of talking to such large numbers of players.... it a hard job very hard. It like being a lone phone receptionist having to deal with 50 phones all at once. Could say the temptation to just pull out the phone cable to silence the phones is quite extraordinary
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.04.12 08:27:00 - [22] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Zeba Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. YES. This is exactly right tbafh. I don't know how many dread rituals I've performed to ensure that at least half this forum gets the plague, but whether it ever actually happens or not Zeba's statement is totally correct. You have a point, but there has been a big decrease in the number of devs posting on the forums, like Oveur, TomB, etc. In the old days they posted often, at least compared to now. Their forum presence, as well as their informative blogs, is a shadow of what it once was. Whether this is good or bad I don't know, but there does seem to be a sense of less interest in Eve than there used to be. Note that I use "seem" and "sense". It doesn't mean it's true, just that the perception is there, and that can make people worried. Given the openly disrespectful, immature and insulting or just downright hateful posts that whiny entitlistas flood this forum with, can you blame them? Are you surprised? Would you want to participate in a community like that? I'm amazed that they ever post here at all. I suspect that they still have considerable pride in their creation, but that they've more or less given up on the idea of interacting with the forum community as a way of developing the game and keeping in touch with the players. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Slez Caldari R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.04.12 08:30:00 - [23] I've worked for an MMO dev before, you have to detach yourself from the community, or you'll slip into alcoholism or kill yourself. With this community, i'm sure it'd be the latter. ----------- Originally by: Wet Ferret If you really want to give CCP the finger you'll send your stuff to an ISK seller
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: Zeba Personally I think the Devs should stick to thier own vision of eve and let the forums rot. Not saying that the forums are not a good place to flush out obvious bugs and exploits but tbqfh I see so much selfish metagaming by special interest groups that its hard to distinguish the legit problems from the 'omg I want my way' ones. YES. This is exactly right tbafh. I don't know how many dread rituals I've performed to ensure that at least half this forum gets the plague, but whether it ever actually happens or not Zeba's statement is totally correct. You have a point, but there has been a big decrease in the number of devs posting on the forums, like Oveur, TomB, etc. In the old days they posted often, at least compared to now. Their forum presence, as well as their informative blogs, is a shadow of what it once was. Whether this is good or bad I don't know, but there does seem to be a sense of less interest in Eve than there used to be. Note that I use "seem" and "sense". It doesn't mean it's true, just that the perception is there, and that can make people worried. Given the openly disrespectful, immature and insulting or just downright hateful posts that whiny entitlistas flood this forum with, can you blame them? Are you surprised? Would you want to participate in a community like that? I'm amazed that they ever post here at all. I suspect that they still have considerable pride in their creation, but that they've more or less given up on the idea of interacting with the forum community as a way of developing the game and keeping in touch with the players. That applies to dev blogs, to a certain extent, and to posting on the forum, but why hasn't In Development been updated at all recently? Or the Item Database? Why is there still a Year 105 Overview when we're in 108/9 now? I don't think it's too much to expect that things be kept relatively up to date, let alone keeping us as informed as we were about new features. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:37:00 - [25] Originally by: Malcanis Given the openly disrespectful, immature and insulting or just downright hateful posts that whiny entitlistas flood this forum with, can you blame them? Are you surprised? Would you want to participate in a community like that? I'm amazed that they ever post here at all. I suspect that they still have considerable pride in their creation, but that they've more or less given up on the idea of interacting with the forum community as a way of developing the game and keeping in touch with the players. I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to.
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Carpe Universitas	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:38:00 - [26] The topic of this discussion is one of my major concerns as well. And part of my "program" for CSM as indicated in the document promoted in this thread (page 53 I believe). Originally by: SPIONKOP I fear that the CSM will be another smokescreen to hide behind... If that would happen, the first CSM would not serve its full period, and a second one would not be created. I think I would be not the only one being outraged about such a developement, and the community would hear about that loud and clear. The CSM is a big chance for CCP. If abused, it would create just another reputational nightmare. I'm quite sure CCP knows that, and will try everything to avoid the worst possible outcome. No sense in investing like 100k USD in something to damage the reputation of oneself. Juwi Kotch Discussion Board
Nova Fox Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:42:00 - [27] I think they are working overtime on the next expansion pack due out soon like in june july time period. How to make feel low sec feel like low sec
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.04.12 09:54:00 - [28] When they stop selling annual subs, worry. Untill then, I'd say they are grinding code. Or in game kicking our azz

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:32:00 - [29] Originally by: Wild Rho I'm agreed with Malcanis. No matter what the devs do they get bashed for one thing or another and sometimes for things that were actually the players fault to begin with, it's little wonder they don't interact with the player base as much as they used to. This. Last time I tried to involve players in a serious discussion the people who didn't agree with me ended up offering me to date incoming traffic. Last time I tried to be funny to show I was still reading the forums.. I offended another player with my sense of humor. Turned into a couple of pages of flame wars between players. Last time I tried to be helpful and point players towards the proper procedures to handle their problems the topic turned into 9 pages of a couple of people making up tinfoil hattery against the corporation I work for and love. Do I need your sympathy? No. Just offering you practical examples from my own experience. Also, posting to show that, regardless of that, we're still lurking in the shadows. Also, we have a quite well defined direction. The fact that you're not the deciding factor in said direction does not mean we don't have any.


CCP Greyscale	Posted - 2008.04.12 10:43:00 - [30] Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 12/04/2008 10:43:15 To be honest, a fair amount of it's just down to the fact that we've been busy. There will probably be more blogs soon (we had a big discussion about this yesterday, as it happens), but I for one have a huge pile of stuff that I want to talk about that I've been holding back because a) it's not quite ready yet and b) I've been so busy making it actually happen that I haven't had time to blog about it Edity bit - Prism, cheers for fixing that thingy dude


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