What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

CCP addressed EvE player's concerns about what happens if DUST dies down and stops being played - I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span. The statement went something along the lines of, "don't worry it won't significantly effect EvE gameplay if DUST dies."

In other words, DUST will have so little interaction with EvE that it will be almost utterly pointless from our perspective. DUST looks great and I'm sure it will join the millions of other FPS games out there in being successful for a few months, but what then?

I see two options:

1. Sever any link between DUST and EvE and make it a stand-alone game. Let's face it EvE players are never going to accept DUST players anyway, and will most likely grief the hell out of them in any possible way they can. DUST bunnies just don't know how mean things can get around here.

2. Release it on PC too. While incredibly unlikely as this seems, it WOULD address more than a few concerns.

You do realise that there are a LOT of ways that the games can be made to interacte with each other, without actually having them need each other, right? Such as, both games will have PI. The link between the two could be a market allowing players to buy & sell resources across both. As you can do PI on both games, it doesnt mean that one relies on the other, but still promotes interactivity. Same with the orbital bombardment. Neither game needs it, but its a nice little addition to add depth

Edit: Also, the whole link idea is a great for CCP from a marketting perspective as well. A standard FPS has, CoD, Battlefield and a myriad of others as competition. However, AFAIK, there is no game out there with this link currently that could be competition, nor may there be for a few years to come. Simply because, how many games can you name that could have a successful, attractive idea such as this linked cross game/platform? Play WOW as an orc in first person? Players will moan that they cant do that already...and so on. For a company to become competition, either they're going to have to be very inventive, or create two more games, which gives CCP a nice lead.

So by self admission you have no idea what you are talking about, but would like to voice your opinion anyway.

Gotcha.

I'm more than willing to wait and see what DUST brings to Eve and vice versa, but I do feel like CCP dropped the ball on planetary fighting in an attempt to wade into the FPS market.

To me it seems rather odd that in orbit their are billions of ISK floating around fighting for orbital supremacy, massive ships with thousands of crewman bombarding the planet to clear the way for ground forces while in the surface the control for the planet is played out in a 12v12 team deathmatch.

Personally I would think it would have been much more suited to Eve's gameplay by adding skills for planetary forces control and landing and having the battles take place on a 60K map utilizing a form of RTT combat like the old school close combat games. Allow players to build a 100 man strike force broken up into squads and vehicles, allow those vehicles to be build by combining blueprints of chasis, weapons systems, and turrtes to create a new BPO for a certain player made vehicle class and having corporations fight it out tactically on the planet with three or four hundred units. It would have added an entirely new element to Eve. Allowed for new skills to be implemented and mastered and would have allowed corporations to be directly involved with their planets defense.

Something for CCP to mull over for three or four years down the line when the next generation of console becomes standard and the PS3 has gone the way of the dodo and they are looking at either creating a next generation of DUST game or a new system for planetary fights.

I'm more than willing to wait and see what DUST brings to Eve and vice versa, but I do feel like CCP dropped the ball on planetary fighting in an attempt to wade into the FPS market.

To me it seems rather odd that in orbit their are billions of ISK floating around fighting for orbital supremacy, massive ships with thousands of crewman bombarding the planet to clear the way for ground forces while in the surface the control for the planet is played out in a 12v12 team deathmatch.

Personally I would think it would have been much more suited to Eve's gameplay by adding skills for planetary forces control and landing and having the battles take place on a 60K map utilizing a form of RTT combat like the old school close combat games. Allow players to build a 100 man strike force broken up into squads and vehicles, allow those vehicles to be build by combining blueprints of chasis, weapons systems, and turrtes to create a new BPO for a certain player made vehicle class and having corporations fight it out tactically on the planet with three or four hundred units. It would have added an entirely new element to Eve. Allowed for new skills to be implemented and mastered and would have allowed corporations to be directly involved with their planets defense.

Something for CCP to mull over for three or four years down the line when the next generation of console becomes standard and the PS3 has gone the way of the dodo and they are looking at either creating a next generation of DUST game or a new system for planetary fights.

I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span.

What admission is that? Oh wait, you're not saying anything.

Gotcha.

What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

I bolded the pertinent parts of your post.

I meant what I said, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You don't play console games, you don't understand what the feed back in the gaming industry has been towards the concept of a game like DUST, and you have no idea how the two will interact.

Yet you feel motivated to provide us with your very biased point of view.

Thanks.

Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

Actually I base my opinion on personal experience with console gaming, keeping abreast of the gaming industry news for both PC and console, and researching a game that is of interest to me (and many others).

As opposed to you that bases his opinion of that fact that his friends only play games following the traditional (and failing) cycle of charging $60 bucks for a new expansion once a year... for a game they will beat in 3 weeks.

I don't blame you for asking pointed questions, but when you pretend to offer answers based on complete ignorance of the subject matter you're just wasting our time.

Oh dear, seems you have a rather basic understanding of life in general. You don't have to own something to have an understanding of it. I live with several people who own consoles, and I've yet to see them play ANY game be it online or not for ANY great length of time. In no small part to the fact that console games aren't meant to last. If games took months to complete rather then days, then people wouldn't be buying as many games as they should be.

Since you can't even grasp a concept as basic as observation and in fact have shown you base your opinion entirely on meaningless assumption, you should stop trying to be clever as it clearly doesn't suit you.

Yet here we are on your third reply, and it still lacks any kind of substance. Like for instance, what is so great about DUST? You and your fellow fanboys have already heralded DUST an amazing Success before it's even come out, yet you haven't explained at all how DUST will succeed. Nor have you explained how the two games will have ANY kind of meaningful interaction, while allowing for the fact that CCP themselves have said that should DUST fail it will have NO impact on EvE.

So, tell me. What has your mountains research come up with in regards to this. Because you've failed to mention it so far.

I can understand your blind faith though, considering DUST was born in a time when CCP was getting everything so right!

Why would pc players insta win?

Posting to say I bought a PS 3 because of Dust 514.

I am just saying why?

Considering there will be mouse and keyboard support for dust 514.

Also Confirming I have dusted off my PS3 to play Dust 514 (also that I found two games to keep me occupied, Valkaria Chronicles and Disgiea 4)

Also Confirming I have dusted off my PS3 to play Dust 514 (also that I found two games to keep me occupied, Valkaria Chronicles and Disgiea 4)

I DID NOT KNOW I COULD USE A MOUSE AND KEYBOARD WITH DUST!!!!!!

Can i use any old usb device or do i have to get a sony approved one.

Mega wood going on right now!

All i need now is it to be in 3D and there will be some **** in my actual factual pants

Damn you! I wish I could play Disgaea 4.. my PS3 YLOD'd over a year ago. Nippon Ichi is the best and the true reason to own a PS3.

They need to put Dust out on PSVita.

There's plenty of ways the games cna be related to each other yes. But not in any meaningful way by CCP's own admission. You can't link the two games in any useful way as if DUST dies, so does EvE. That is what CCP have said themselves.

I do know USB keyboards are compatable with both xbox and ps3.

Mice I havent tried yet because well... neither of them had a game that could use a mouse until very very soon.

I will confirm any blue tooth compatable ones are going to work but I peferred mine wired.

What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

CCP addressed EvE player's concerns about what happens if DUST dies down and stops being played - I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span. The statement went something along the lines of, "don't worry it won't significantly effect EvE gameplay if DUST dies."

In other words, DUST will have so little interaction with EvE that it will be almost utterly pointless from our perspective. DUST looks great and I'm sure it will join the millions of other FPS games out there in being successful for a few months, but what then?

I see two options:

1. Sever any link between DUST and EvE and make it a stand-alone game. Let's face it EvE players are never going to accept DUST players anyway, and will most likely grief the hell out of them in any possible way they can. DUST bunnies just don't know how mean things can get around here.

2. Release it on PC too. While incredibly unlikely as this seems, it WOULD address more than a few concerns.

@ op

So basically your post comes down to it just being a whine, because DUST is not being released on the PC.


You're a few months years behind the other threads like this.

@ op

So basically your post comes down to it just being a whine, because DUST is not being released on the PC.


You're a few months behind the other threads like this.

Oh sweet, a new and revolutionary thread I've never read before.

CCP has only confirmed keyboard support for chat. They explicitly said no mice, though there's probably a workaround I'm sure.

CCP has only confirmed keyboard support for chat. They explicitly said no mice, though there's probably a workaround I'm sure.

CCP has only confirmed keyboard support for chat. They explicitly said no mice, though there's probably a workaround I'm sure.

I'm almost insulted. It's almost as if people aren't listening.

http://www.dust514base.com/2012/02/cast-514-episode-1-ccp-grand-opening.html

It's going to be hilarious when months after Dust fails some CCP employee admits that it was because they didn't release the game for PC.

They also dont want to release on PC, if they did they'll probably GUT the Eve player base, you dont want to slay two games at once with one flop..

They don't want people cheating with aiming bots on PC

Are there no aimbot style cheats for PS3 games?

Stopped reading after the generalized bash on console owners.

It it difficult to get to the top of that pillar there? I figure it must be a ***** to have to pay for rocket trips or is it some kind of space elevator?

The PC vs. Console fps war is the latest version of the old vs. Young fights. Older PC gamers learned how to play fps games on a keyboard and mouse before dual joystic controllers existed. Younger fps players learned how to play with dual joystic controllers. Older PC fps players try the dual joystic controllers and fail because they're used to the keyboard and mouse. Older players can't handle getting owned by these 'young punks' with their controllers and proceed to bash the younger generation.

While its true that a mouse gives you more sensitivity, in practise the extra sensitivity gives little to no advantage due to aim assist which is used in pretty much every online fps. I played several PC fps games online with an Xbox controller plugged into my PC because I'm used to a controller an not a keyboard. I never once had the impression that someone had an advantage over me because of superior mouse sensitivity.

Not really. I grew up playing FPS games on console before I ever got a PC. 007 on N64. No dual joysticks but still FPS. Then it was Halo on XBox at the same time I playef FPS games on my PC. Fact of the matter is you have faster response and better control and accuracy on a keyboard and mouse set up than you ever will with a controller. Part of this is due to how fast you can move a mouse and make the cursor on your screen move vs a controller which may be limited to a set speed of movement. Try it in just about any FPS game that is on all platforms. Modern Warfare for example. You can move your reticle on the screen faster on a PC than you can on any of the other 3 consoles. This does change a bit with things like Kinect however. I would be interested to see how a player using Kinect or whatever the PS3 version is called does against a PC player on keyboard and mouse.

... This does change a bit with things like Kinect however. I would be interested to see how a player using Kinect or whatever the PS3 version is called does against a PC player on keyboard and mouse.

I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span.

If Dust is designed well...

They are both harder to make, and easier to catch on consoles, this goes for all forms of hacking/cheating.

This is the singular most important thing that will decide the fate of the game.

Actually it's not. The game could be amazingly well made and it will still fail. It was doomed the second they decided to make it a console exclusive. It's also troubling that this far into development they still don't have a clear concept of how Eve and Dust are going to interact. They did a bunch of interviews with gaming sites over the weekend and it's obvious they are still, this far into development, trying to figure out how to mash the two games together.

actually ccp just need to time the release of DUST during the lull before the next cod blackops whatever comes out. it's not that hard to sell enough $50 boxed dvds to them console suckers to make a profit.

Actually, it being a console exclusive means you need it to fail, not that it will fail.

What? Apart from the fact that I'd need to buy a Playstation, which I've no intention of doing?

CCP addressed EvE player's concerns about what happens if DUST dies down and stops being played - I've never owned a console but I can't imagine anyone who has one has a large attention span. The statement went something along the lines of, "don't worry it won't significantly effect EvE gameplay if DUST dies."

In other words, DUST will have so little interaction with EvE that it will be almost utterly pointless from our perspective. DUST looks great and I'm sure it will join the millions of other FPS games out there in being successful for a few months, but what then?

I see two options:

1. Sever any link between DUST and EvE and make it a stand-alone game. Let's face it EvE players are never going to accept DUST players anyway, and will most likely grief the hell out of them in any possible way they can. DUST bunnies just don't know how mean things can get around here.

2. Release it on PC too. While incredibly unlikely as this seems, it WOULD address more than a few concerns.

They don't want YOU playing DUST, YOU are already paying them. They want other people to play Dust, new people, people who normally wouldn't play EVE.

You are off course welcome to play, but what they really want is people who play FPS like the idea that their actions matter and are not against DLC content. While you fly around in space creating the world for the grunts to shoot at.

All the people that are complaining about dust on these forums not being on pc should realise, they aren't the target demographic. They already have you, they want new customers.