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hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:21:00 - [1] Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual Lets look at Tier2 and Tier3 BSes Caldari: Raven - 486,000 m3 Rokh - 486,000 m3 Amarr: Apoc - 517,500 m3 Abaddon - 495,000 m3 Minmatar: Tempest - 450,000 m3 Maelstrom - 472,500 m3 Gallente: Megathron - 513,000 m3 Hyperion - 513,000 m3 So, Caldari and Minmatar can always bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump, in the ship maintenance bay. Amarr's Apoc is over 500,000 m3, but they still got the Abaddon as the fleet BS, and once again can bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump. But all of Gallente fleet BSes are over 500,000m3, which means you can only bring 1 fleet BS in a single carrier jump. Where is the rationale? Last i checked the Abaddon was bigger and fatter than the Megathron, so why is it's volume smaller? == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Moneeh Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:23:00 - [2] Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAA hahaaha
FireT	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:26:00 - [3] Maybe the other ships are on better diets? But honestly, I always considered the slightly bigger ships due to Gallente drone specialization. So from a geeky-imaginary point of view all the stuff you need in addition to the drones is what makes them slightly bigger, while the other ships just "slap" stuff onto their hulls.
Royaldo Gallente Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:29:00 - [4] whats the size of the domi?
GreGh Rakrot Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:32:00 - [5] Originally by: hydraSlav So, Caldari and Minmatar can always bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump, in the ship maintenance bay. Amarr's Apoc is over 500,000 m3, but they still got the Abaddon as the fleet BS, and once again can bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump. But all of Gallente fleet BSes are over 500,000m3, which means you can only bring 1 fleet BS in a single carrier jump. Maybe you should put 1 minnie 1 gallente into each carrier instead of trying to put 2 minnie and 2 gallente togheter ... People whine just about anything these days... yes I only fly gallente BS, yes it affects me, no i dont care about it... look at this as variety, you know, the thing that makes world/game interesting
hydraSlav Synergy Evolved Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:55:00 - [6] Originally by: Royaldo whats the size of the domi? I said "Fleet BSes", so Domi doesn't apply
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.12 23:56:00 - [7] Edited by: NightmareX on 13/04/2008 00:03:48 You know, the Tempest dies so much faster than the Megathron, that they need the extra space to bring more Tempest's.
Suboran Gallente Victory Not Vengeance Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:41:00 - [8] Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/04/2008 00:03:48 You know, the Tempest dies so much faster than the Megathron, that they need the extra space to bring more Tempest's. Thats what you get if you build your ship out of scrap
NightmareX Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:42:00 - [9] Originally by: Suboran Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 13/04/2008 00:03:48 You know, the Tempest dies so much faster than the Megathron, that they need the extra space to bring more Tempest's. Thats what you get if you build your ship out of scrap But even when it's build of duct tape and scraps, it does a good job in PVP, both for Sniping and close range PVP.
Imperius Blackheart Caldari KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:48:00 - [10] Edited by: Imperius Blackheart on 13/04/2008 00:49:33 The Gallente can carry more fighter/drones in their Thanny than I can in my Chimera, I demand equality. Seriously though its swings and roundabouts mate, I understand the annoyance factor for logistics but being 100% Caldari spec'ed its strange for me to consider Gallente getting the short end of the stick as my Gallente bretherin do most things better than me ;) The grass isn't always greener it just looks it from a distance. Proud member of the Caldari Death Squad

Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.13 00:56:00 - [11] Originally by: GreGh Rakrot Maybe you should put 1 minnie 1 gallente into each carrier instead of trying to put 2 minnie and 2 gallente togheter ... People whine just about anything these days... yes I only fly gallente BS, yes it affects me, no i dont care about it... look at this as variety, you know, the thing that makes world/game interesting Nice seeing you ;) You're forgetting that things in EvE shouldn't have character, god forbid ;P
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:24:00 - [12] Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual Lets look at Tier2 and Tier3 BSes Caldari: Raven - 486,000 m3 Rokh - 486,000 m3 Amarr: Apoc - 517,500 m3 Abaddon - 495,000 m3 Minmatar: Tempest - 450,000 m3 Maelstrom - 472,500 m3 Gallente: Megathron - 513,000 m3 Hyperion - 513,000 m3 So, Caldari and Minmatar can always bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump, in the ship maintenance bay. Amarr's Apoc is over 500,000 m3, but they still got the Abaddon as the fleet BS, and once again can bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump. But all of Gallente fleet BSes are over 500,000m3, which means you can only bring 1 fleet BS in a single carrier jump. Where is the rationale? Last i checked the Abaddon was bigger and fatter than the Megathron, so why is it's volume smaller? Welcome to three months ago. I complained about this as soon as it was on the test server. Of course CCP just left it. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Atsuko Ratu Caldari VSP Corp.	Posted - 2008.04.13 01:31:00 - [13] Edited by: Atsuko Ratu on 13/04/2008 01:31:28 Don't forget the Apoc, it's big and fat too.
Mar vel Caldari A.I.M.	Posted - 2008.04.17 04:56:00 - [14] Because Gallente chicks are hot, and they put out. /next
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.04.17 06:24:00 - [15] Originally by: hydraSlav but they still got the Abaddon as the fleet BS, abaddon as the fleet bs
Hanneshannes	Posted - 2008.04.17 07:33:00 - [16] You forgot teh scorp and if that's not a fleet bs then what is it? Quote: Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual I find this quite funny as well.
Tuncan Minmatar Amistad Annihilate Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:06:00 - [17] Yes make gallentean ships smaller and limit their drone bays while reducing their armors
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:15:00 - [18] Oh no. Gallente aren't best for everything. However will you cope. -- Crane needs more grid 249km locking?
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:27:00 - [19] Originally by: Moneeh Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAA hahaaha QFT.
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:42:00 - [20] Poor CCP; they give us the lovely ability to haul BSes with carrier, and folks still complain :) Originally by: hydraSlav Where is the rationale? Would suppose the strive for variation? Which indirectly, alas, means someone has to be 'worst' in any given single attribute (like half of the forum posters must be below the average intelligence of the forum posters..) The values seem to match image of Minmatars as small, and armour tankers as big;. If you feel Abaddon model looks wrong, start a thread about that instead? Anyway, it's small minus-point towards Gallente in the complex game of balance, but seems something I as Gall-centric can live with. In practice when moving assets from place to other, one tends to have mix of BSes and smaller ships, which works well with the current carrier's bay and ship sizes. For actually corp logistics you could look for Jump Freighters, which suffer less from this issue. -Lasse thinking Gallente is past 'king of the hill', but still very decent

Gorith	Posted - 2008.04.17 09:15:00 - [21] ill take all those damn unmovable gall BSes off your hands and wont even charge for the service :P though seriously does it really matter that much. If everything was uniform and completely even it would really be kind of boring also I agree with a previous poster our women are hot and do put out goes back to the pleasure hub
Wideen Caldari Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.04.17 09:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Moneeh Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAA hahaaha This. Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
Theron Gyrow Gradient Electus Matari	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:33:00 - [23] Originally by: Moneeh Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAA hahaaha Fine, I'll bite: what do Gallente ships do well nowadays? Tanking? Well, no. Active armor tanking bonus is utter crap. Mobility? Well, no, flying bricks. EW? No. Just... no. (Boost damp-specced ships!) Drones? Hm, yeah, this works - Dominix and Ishtar are good. Ishkur is as ok as an AF can be, but alas, Vexor is less useful than Arbitrator, Myrmidon is not that hot, and Eos is hopeless. Not much to write home about. Sniping? No. Megathron does it ok if you cannot fly other races' BSs, but it doesn't do it well. Blasters, balls-to-the-wall pure damage? Well... no. The flagship of that, Megathron, loses to n00b buffer-tanked torp Raven, highly-skilled Typhoon and about ties with Armageddon - might win an 1-vs-1 against one but is much, much less useful in gangs. The need to move the whole ship next to target to get the damage to bear is too much, and on top of that, it doesn't even do more damage than the other listed BSs. This holds for BSs and BCs. For cruisers and smaller, blasters work reasonably well, but they are still very difficult to use against competent opponents. Gallente do many things ok, but they don't really shine at anything, and in some ways, they really, really have problems. -- Gradient forum
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:36:00 - [24] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Fine, I'll bite: what do Gallente ships do well nowadays? Tanking? Well, no. Active armor tanking bonus is utter crap. Mobility? Well, no, flying bricks. EW? No. Just... no. (Boost damp-specced ships!) Drones? Hm, yeah, this works - Dominix and Ishtar are good. Ishkur is as ok as an AF can be, but alas, Vexor is less useful than Arbitrator, Myrmidon is not that hot, and Eos is hopeless. Not much to write home about. Sniping? No. Megathron does it ok if you cannot fly other races' BSs, but it doesn't do it well. Blasters, balls-to-the-wall pure damage? Well... no. The flagship of that, Megathron, loses to n00b buffer-tanked torp Raven, highly-skilled Typhoon and about ties with Armageddon - might win an 1-vs-1 against one but is much, much less useful in gangs. The need to move the whole ship next to target to get the damage to bear is too much, and on top of that, it doesn't even do more damage than the other listed BSs. This holds for BSs and BCs. For cruisers and smaller, blasters work reasonably well, but they are still very difficult to use against competent opponents. Gallente do many things ok, but they don't really shine at anything, and in some ways, they really, really have problems. How about: -Highest dps -Great fleet snipers -Perfect slot layouts with exactly the right amount of mids and the rest going into lows -Great solo ships -Great cruisers compared to other races -Even your tier 1 BC is good, the other races tier 1s are utter crap compared to their tier 2 versions -Biggest drone bays -2nd fastest ships Don't like all these advantages? Maybe you chose the wrong race. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare II
Hardtail Red Dawn Empire	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:45:00 - [25] Originally by: Theron Gyrow Originally by: Moneeh Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual AHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHA HAAAA hahaaha Fine, I'll bite: what do Gallente ships do well nowadays? Tanking? Well, no. Active armor tanking bonus is utter crap. Mobility? Well, no, flying bricks. EW? No. Just... no. (Boost damp-specced ships!) Drones? Hm, yeah, this works - Dominix and Ishtar are good. Ishkur is as ok as an AF can be, but alas, Vexor is less useful than Arbitrator, Myrmidon is not that hot, and Eos is hopeless. Not much to write home about. Sniping? No. Megathron does it ok if you cannot fly other races' BSs, but it doesn't do it well. Blasters, balls-to-the-wall pure damage? Well... no. The flagship of that, Megathron, loses to n00b buffer-tanked torp Raven, highly-skilled Typhoon and about ties with Armageddon - might win an 1-vs-1 against one but is much, much less useful in gangs. The need to move the whole ship next to target to get the damage to bear is too much, and on top of that, it doesn't even do more damage than the other listed BSs. This holds for BSs and BCs. For cruisers and smaller, blasters work reasonably well, but they are still very difficult to use against competent opponents. Gallente do many things ok, but they don't really shine at anything, and in some ways, they really, really have problems. no sir, i believe you lose to noob buffer tanked ravens -_-' you also seem to gloss over the fact that the domi and ishtar arent the only ships that have nice drone bays. in fact, most of the gall lineup gets very generous drone bays. I also think you'll find it hard to find someone to back you claim up that gall BC's are sub par. Then you proceed to hint at the fact that armor tanking isint viable. How's about you go and try and break a decent hyperions tank. yes please. Not to mention it can tank all of this * and * fit necessary tackle. armor tanking isint sub par, its different. ( though I wouldnt mind an armor boost amp! >.> ) the only thing even remotely correct about that post is a nudge for Damps. the rest is rubbish
cytomatrix Caldari Carebear Killers Inc. DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:54:00 - [26] Because gallente is so awesome that you can just fly into hostile space. All other battleships are not that awesome, so they need to hauled in a carrier. ______________________________________________________________
Antodias North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:57:00 - [27] Conspiracy uncovered ITT
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:05:00 - [28] Originally by: hydraSlav Gallente get the short end of the stick as usual Lets look at Tier2 and Tier3 BSes Caldari: Raven - 486,000 m3 Rokh - 486,000 m3 Amarr: Apoc - 517,500 m3 Abaddon - 495,000 m3 Minmatar: Tempest - 450,000 m3 Maelstrom - 472,500 m3 Gallente: Megathron - 513,000 m3 Hyperion - 513,000 m3 So, Caldari and Minmatar can always bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump, in the ship maintenance bay. Amarr's Apoc is over 500,000 m3, but they still got the Abaddon as the fleet BS, and once again can bring 2 fleet BSes in a single carrier jump. But all of Gallente fleet BSes are over 500,000m3, which means you can only bring 1 fleet BS in a single carrier jump. Where is the rationale? Last i checked the Abaddon was bigger and fatter than the Megathron, so why is it's volume smaller? Those huge drone bays make your ships bigger. Like having a pregnant woman sat next to you on the plane... CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Malcanis Those huge drone bays make your ships bigger. Like having a pregnant woman sat next to you on the plane... haha, you win the thread.
Willy Joe	Posted - 2008.04.17 12:34:00 - [30] Originally by: Heikki like half of the forum posters must be below the average intelligence of the forum posters.. Actually you can have most of the posters above or bellow the average IQ , and have a small bunch of really dumb or smart posters. Here's an example : we have 10 posters , 9 of them have an IQ of 60 , while 1 has an IQ of 150 - the average IQ is 69 which is above most of the posters taken into consideration. Couldn't help myself.



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