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Miros
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Posted - 2004.04.20 22:52:00 -
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I know this subject as been discussed about a bazillion times but what the heck, just another thread to keep us entertained while at work.
With ATUK & the newly refounded Paladins of the Red Skull within their ranks, who are publicly admitting to pirating, how can CA still claim to not be pirate friendly.
With so much effort that numerous "EX-Pirate" corps (counting the likes of FE & Crice ) have made to clean up theirs & CA image, how can you still arbor these corps within your ranks? Granted they make a big chunk of your pvp player base, but it makes you wonder why they are still within CA.
Why not just go for the M0o & Evol approach of claiming nothing but looking for a good PvP fight?
Hypocrits are never taken seriously in the end, start taking responsability for your fellow Alliance members actions or just boot them out.
I wonder how many CA CEO's harbor the same toughts...
nuff said 
keep the flames at bay guys, i'm trying to get answers from high ranking CA members and not getting this thread locked.
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Posted - 2004.04.20 23:08:00 -
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You sad lonely person.
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Geariven
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Posted - 2004.04.20 23:23:00 -
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Thank you for not having the balls to post with your main, Start.
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.04.20 23:41:00 -
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ATUK do not publicly nor privately claim nor consider themselves to be pirates.
We are at war, not just with corps but with entire regions and alliances.
If you are in these regions and are fighting on the same side then we will talk
If you are not then you will get hurt. Neutrals should not be in these warzones.
If you are referring to our attacks on the xetic region then shush because xetic can look after themselves, We had a great fight today, 16 vs 26 at the start, ending up as 14 vs 35 as xetic reinforcements arrived over time.
The battle raged for 1h,15 and the total cost of ships lost on both sides is nowhere near what we all spent on missiles! Both sides enjoyed it immensely, and the chat in local reflected the good feelings all round. It didn't feel like piracy, it felt like world-war3.
Confirmed ATUK losses: 2x Scorpion, 1x Crow, (2 pods).
Xetic were still assessing losses at the end, but the map showed 19 ships destroyed in the last hour. Most of these will have been frigates tbh.
Gratz to Xetic for not logging off, and thanks for the fight.
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Khal Dominicus
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Posted - 2004.04.21 00:10:00 -
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MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS
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Macumba
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Posted - 2004.04.21 00:13:00 -
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No pirates. Just pro-active miners.
This "Oh no! They're all pirates!" approach was tried last year. It didn't work then and it won't work now. No cookie for you Professor Alt.
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Kirin
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Posted - 2004.04.21 00:33:00 -
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LOL I love that, Macumba :)
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Alustrious
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Posted - 2004.04.21 02:02:00 -
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*looks around* i dont see any pirates....
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Capt Hindgrinder
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Posted - 2004.04.21 02:22:00 -
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yar..there are no pirates in CA, nor a booster mafia and no ark either. f0regitabootit.
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Miros
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Posted - 2004.04.21 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: Woetra
ATUK do not publicly nor privately claim nor consider themselves to be pirates.
We are at war, not just with corps but with entire regions and alliances.
If you are in these regions and are fighting on the same side then we will talk
If you are not then you will get hurt. Neutrals should not be in these warzones.
If you are referring to our attacks on the xetic region then shush because xetic can look after themselves, We had a great fight today, 16 vs 26 at the start, ending up as 14 vs 35 as xetic reinforcements arrived over time.
The battle raged for 1h,15 and the total cost of ships lost on both sides is nowhere near what we all spent on missiles! Both sides enjoyed it immensely, and the chat in local reflected the good feelings all round. It didn't feel like piracy, it felt like world-war3.
Confirmed ATUK losses: 2x Scorpion, 1x Crow, (2 pods).
Xetic were still assessing losses at the end, but the map showed 19 ships destroyed in the last hour. Most of these will have been frigates tbh.
Gratz to Xetic for not logging off, and thanks for the fight.
Fun was had by all it seems, this i have to admit.
But coming down into another Alliance space, one who's gone over their head to keep their neutral status with CA & still flys a NAP sign under everyone of their member corps, wich is ALSO fighting the same ennemy that you are (ie SA wich even when approached with peace talks still send some of their pilots up to pod indus and nothing else). Taking by force said alliance stations & then asking for sum major ammount of cash (was like 50 tier 2 bs or 5 bil i think last i saw ATUK members in local) in order to leave the alliance alone. Further more no attack group was ever sent from Xetic down to curse in order to keep their good standing with CA.
How do you call this? Gentlemanly sparring?? Sounds more like piracy to me...
Does the CA council back these attacks, or does it just overlooks them?
Because you know fully well that Xetic won't risk coming down to curse to get you back since it would mean certain war with CA.
This is what i mean by pirating. Of course it won't be pirating if it's backed by the council, it'll be simple war then.
But then when one Alliance harbors pirates within their ranks, & declares war on every other alliance in the eve cluster how can we NOT identifie CA with pirates.
Pray tell i'm sure theirs a great bunch of us that want to know...
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Sun Sliver
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Posted - 2004.04.21 05:38:00 -
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This thread just makes me laugh. Personally I used to be outside CA and got my ass kicked more than once coming into CA space. Then I had the fortune of connecting with ATUK. If you think these guys are pirates then you are a nub to 0 space and alliance play. Stop bickering and join the ranks of veteran players, this inter alliance warring isnt pirating, its the game. All major forces involved agree this latest action was all around good fun so stop slamming and start joining in the fun. Sheesh this kind of crap makes me feel like a woman on the rag and out of hygiene products
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TIvian
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Posted - 2004.04.21 05:42:00 -
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Edited by: TIvian on 21/04/2004 05:43:51
Originally by: Capt Hindgrinder
yar..there are no pirates in CA, nor a booster mafia and no ark either. f0regitabootit.
C.H.
No Capt. is Fffuugggetaboutit eh. talk to me on TS. I will give you the accent and all!!!
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Sochin
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Posted - 2004.04.21 05:53:00 -
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Hes sorta got a point. Why attack Xetic when CA has a NAP with them. Even if they wanted to fight just for fun, why not team up and attack Stain or something together.
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Yrma
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Posted - 2004.04.21 06:00:00 -
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Why people call everyone that does PVP a pirate never ceases to amaze me.
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Nirvy
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Posted - 2004.04.21 06:19:00 -
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Edited by: Nirvy on 21/04/2004 06:20:28
omg ca are teh pirate!
Some of you people are so uptight, its a damn game, you do what you want to, to have fun, we all pay for it.
ATUK play it better than most, and continue to be one of the games most repected and feared corps.
I can tell you one thing about CA, even though im not part of them anymore, they seriously couldnt give a flying toss what you guys think of them or call them. Rightly so. If you cant handle your regional alliance, or your area of 0.0 space, you dont deserve to claim it in the first place.
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Lardarz B'stard
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Posted - 2004.04.21 06:24:00 -
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Some FACTS...
I was there to fight a decent battle with a fleet of other ships that were there to try to get rid of us from their neck of the woods. There was no smack talk. There was no childishness. No one was griefing anyone and piracy was not enagaged in. ATUK took on the xetic alliance and we fought for about 80 minutes.
No piracy was involved, nor were any other corps in the curse alliance. I was not wearing a peg leg and my pet parrot was safely in his cage at a holiday home in Torquay. These accusations of piracy you are throwing around are ridiculous. I am not a pirate and never will be. I wouldn't know where to start.
If you think piracy is a battle of one corp vs an alliance where there is no financial gain and the goal is just some good old fashioned pvp then slap an eyepatch on me and call me Long John Silver. Any pirate people I have come across have not said "well done, good fight" after the battle or thanked me for the fight the next day, saying "good fight last night well done thanks for great fun" or words to that effect.
Our little shimmies with xetic are our business and have nothing to do with our colleagues in the CA.
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Primer Xenius
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Posted - 2004.04.21 06:33:00 -
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Edited by: Primer Xenius on 21/04/2004 06:40:37
Might as well put a view in.
ATUK knows very well that the origins to this conflict are found in their hands. I actually remember how the hostilities started since our corp was involved.
A LONG time ago, ATUK was in CA, follow the NAP and were in general good to get along with. They then pulled out of CA (this was when CA was at their weakest) and decided to go of on their own. We lost a Raven to them in catch and were told that 'we are not CA anymore, we shoot who we like'. Fair enough. They then team up with the Moo pirates and babysit their stations in CFS space (with techell corp paid for) which FA/CFS retook.
So they come back to CA, we were camping in Catch and a LONE frigate jumps in, ATUK, its killed. Only later do we notice they are CA again. Obviously our mistake but we tried to explain to CA that it was an honest mistake. That was the beginning. No amount of reasoning did us any good and CA are unwilling or unable to get ATUK to stick to treaties.
In regards to the battle/battles, ATUK are great friendly foes. Its just a pity, we are wasting resources on this counter-productive exercise rather then improving CA relations.
"we all know CA planned to attack Xetic "when the time was right" from day1" - Lallante
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Cardassius
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Posted - 2004.04.21 07:29:00 -
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When ATUK goes trough Querious, Period Basis, Catch and kills ships which aren't ATUK they are pirates, simple as that.
No way around that. Just like M0o they kill everyone so they are pirates. That's why CA are also pirates, they kill indiscriminantly in 0.0 areas.
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Thomdril Merrilin
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Cardassius
When ATUK goes trough Querious, Period Basis, Catch and kills ships which aren't ATUK they are pirates, simple as that.
LOL, like we'd go round killing our own ships?!
Point is, if it aint friendly its an enemy.
Oh, one more thing is... calling us pirates is just another reason for us to shoot you?
Thanks to all the XETIC guys last night, that was a great fight!
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Jim Bond
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:13:00 -
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We are "innocent miners"............ honest.
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darth solo
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:23:00 -
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Originally by: Nirvy
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ATUK play it better than most, and continue to be one of the games most respected and feared corps.
I.
lol. maybe within your group, but most deff not to the rest of EVE. or was your post meant as humour?....
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Woetra
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cardassius
When ATUK goes trough Querious, Period Basis, Catch and kills ships which aren't ATUK they are pirates, simple as that.
No way around that. Just like M0o they kill everyone so they are pirates. That's why CA are also pirates, they kill indiscriminantly in 0.0 areas.
CFS declared war on our corp, the Querious region is therefore a warzone and neutrals who do not wish to be killed should not be there camping gates and shooting at us..... go figure.
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Shadowthrone
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:35:00 -
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I am not sure i get this " warzone " exuse. If u are at war with say Xetic or CFS, its very easy to check the corp descritions to see who they belong to.
If u are a legitimate military force rather than simple pirates, u sould only attack enemy ships not all passing traffic.
In my observations it seems curse only care about 2 things
1. Curse ships - dont shoot
2. Non-curse ships- shoot
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CT BadIronTree
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:37:00 -
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do you want to see the size of my "mining laser" ?????? :P
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dalman
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:48:00 -
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But, Primer Xenius, CA is very good at holding a nap...
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Reverend Necrona
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:49:00 -
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I couldn't care if they were pirates (which they are not). If you don't like something about us, bring it.
I wonder how many times i've said that now?
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The Reclaimer
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:52:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowthrone
I am not sure i get this " warzone " exuse. If u are at war with say Xetic or CFS, its very easy to check the corp descritions to see who they belong to.
If u are a legitimate military force rather than simple pirates, u sould only attack enemy ships not all passing traffic.
In my observations it seems curse only care about 2 things
1. Curse ships - dont shoot
2. Non-curse ships- shoot
Its because those scumbags dropped their CFS tags. Kinda hard to tell which fly-by=-night corp was in cfs. Better to shoot first, read the forums later imo.
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Estios
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:56:00 -
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Edited by: Estios on 21/04/2004 09:01:48
Darth, ever wondered maybe its just your log off merchant chest beating corp we dont like or respect.
I have massive respect for Xetic guys who play the game for fun and last night was absolutely fantastic, one of the best (definately longest) fights Ive been in. I really got the feeling everyone there enjoyed themselves and c'mon guys, we know there are 'issues' about us being there but you gotta admit you had fun
After such a good show of sportsmanship from all sides perhaps we can put our differences behind us and we might go back to fighting some of the more vocal enemies we have. (I cant promise anything though as Im merely a soldier doing as he's told)
Edit: Did any of the Xetic guys get screenies or fraps at all ? And with approx 45 ships fighting I have to say the lag was bearable.
So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:57:00 -
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I am a pirate, behind my computer i wear an eyepatch to look l33t and scream on teamspeak: HAAAARRRRRR YA DRUNK'EH MATEYS WE SHALL GIVE UM NO QUATERS! SAVVY?! Specially for EvE i bought a parrot who i learned to drink RUM and my girl is obligated to only enter the room in a maiden dress... I love beeing in Curse. 
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Posted - 2004.04.21 08:57:00 -
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I do have to concur. It's just funny that CA claims there are no pirates when SIM most definately occasionally pirates in Syndicate. What's up with that?
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