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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.13 22:57:00 -
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Why the long face?
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Drasked
North Face Force
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Posted - 2008.04.13 23:04:00 -
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Bucket-O-Fail
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Animin Mannja
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Posted - 2008.04.14 02:09:00 -
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As already said, prices are dropping due to oversupply. Especially on a weekend. Once the weekend warriors get their isk to play the way they want to play, the prices will probably stabilise throughout the week. Also of note is that there's a glut of 30day cards, where 90days still offer greater isk to gametime ratios. And in the real cash to isk ratio, 30 days are still better off, getting around ISK10mil/US$1, opposed to the slightly over ISK9mil/US$1 for 90days. Basically, a influx of higher margin cards is causing traders to tighten their belts to remain competitive in face of static demand, but they're still doing better than those offering 90day cards, favored due to the good isk to time ratio.
If CCP regulated the price of the cards, they essentially become a fixed-price commodity, and CCP may as well be a middleman and let people buy isk directly and use isk to get gametime directly from them. There's no point pricing them above the regulated rate, and you can't compete below it, so you kill a market which isn't how Eve works. Oh and the incentive not to buy off eBay is the frequent cries for help from those suddenly in the red due to GM action.
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Riho
Gallente Mercenary Forces
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Posted - 2008.04.14 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Conjure
Originally by: Riho this has got to be one of the most idiotic post i have ever read.
why?
first of all CCP doesnt set the price on gtc to isk conversion. its the players who set the the price how much they want for the gtc. if players are willing to sell at 130mil per 90 day card.. well.. nothing you can do about it.
its basic supply vs demand. more demand... higher prices, higher supply... lower prices.
so if a player thinks hes 15 dollars is worth around 150mil isk... then he will sell it. if he doesnt like it.. he wount do it and thats it.
CCP cant and will not control the price...
so.. if you dont like it.. dont take part in it. dont whine at CCP about this.. makes you look stupid when they have absolutly nothing to do whit the value in iks that one gtc is worth :P
LEARN TO READ!
I said CCP SHOULD control the prices. I never said it did. Players control the prices. God damnit why do I bother ....
Anyway I bought a GTC today thinking I could sell it for 190m .... guess not ..... so dont worry after this I dont plan on taking part in selling GTC ever again. So ok thanks bye.
why the f*** should CCP control it ? they dont really care how much the player should sell the GTC for in isk. its up to the player to decide. it doesnt make any difference to them if the player sells on 30day card at 200mil or 20mil isk. its all the same to them. it only matters to the player who sells and who buys the damn thing.
so think before you post again. ---------------------------------- Yes... this is my main. Extreme Troll Slayer...
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Shakuul
Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.14 05:14:00 -
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1) Move to Europe 2) Get an income in Euros 3) Buy dollars (and thus GTCs) on the cheap 4) ??? 5) Profit!
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Dingi223
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Posted - 2008.04.14 05:27:00 -
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Troll?
Pff, I want GTCs totally removed from the game entirely anyway, I couldn't care for them - buying your way into the game is nothing to be proud of.
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LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
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Posted - 2008.04.14 05:37:00 -
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Originally by: Conjure
LEARN TO READ!
I said CCP SHOULD control the prices. I never said it did. Players control the prices. God damnit why do I bother ....
CCP should NOT control the price. That would create more problems than anything. A market where the price is controlled by supply and demand will mean that its not possible as easily, to mass-buy GTC's and become instantly rich.
If CCP should control the price, they would go ahead and just sell their GTC's directly themself, just as they suggested once the secure GTC system was implemented.
So your suggestion will not only wreck the market, if it was implemented in the way you suggest. It will probably also cause CCP to just remove GTC selling completely.
But seriously, the GTC market is a can of worms. There's good reasons why it shouldn't be there, but i think until it becomes a "major" issue, CCP won't change it, unless people keep whining about how they can't make a lot of isk without doing anything
So lets just leave the topic of GTC's alone. It can only get worse for those selling them.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.04.14 06:10:00 -
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Wait .. LOLCAT is the current owner of Jenny?!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of goldcrap"
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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.04.14 06:55:00 -
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People don't realize this became a self-balancing system actually.
GTC prices go down > ISK sellers thrive , affording to create more farming alts and with a higher demand from ISK buyers. More obvious farmers > more accounts banned at the same time by GMs , which makes the demand for GTCs explode (need more to create a new batch of accounts)
If it weren't for the farmers , you would get far less ISK from GTCs.
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W Floyd
Minmatar The Orpana Rejects Foundation
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Posted - 2008.04.14 07:00:00 -
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Edited by: W Floyd on 14/04/2008 07:02:14
Originally by: Conjure I will probably get hundred flames.
Yes, yes you will. And by the by, Laissez Faire says hello:
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Animin Mannja
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Posted - 2008.04.14 07:55:00 -
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Come to think of it, I wonder how much of the current situation is due to the devblog. With it being linked at the login screen, and it spelling out that GTCs are the way to trade real money for isk, I wonder if a lot of people, previously unaware of GTC sales, decided to swap up some money for isk the legit way. In which case it'll probably stabilise quickly, as these sorts of effects are usually short lived. They splash out because it's novel that a MMO actually allows such trades, and they get their isk they were looking for for their first BS or whatever, and then they're happy and go back to whatever and probably don't sell anymore codes for a while.
Maybe that's the sort of person I lucked upon yesterday when I scored 90days for 90mil...
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.04.14 08:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Edited by: Jenny Spitfire on 13/04/2008 20:44:41 It is a gaem and 30M is liek a few cens ... it is not liek anyting big too complan about.
Wow, Jenny speaks the truth.
Is this guy for real, going nuts over a 18% price dip? Oh noes, the whole interwebs should be in an uproar!
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Feng Schui
Minmatar Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.04.14 08:23:00 -
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This whole thread is epic failure.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Jolliejoe
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.14 08:25:00 -
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I'm sure the macro mining scum in EVE and ISK sellers are having a great laugh.. .Even less ISK to use for getting playtime...
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Forum Watcher
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.04.14 08:57:00 -
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I can understand the OPs frustration at not being able to get what they want for how much money they invested in GTC's, what I fail to understand is why they did not actually check to see what the exchange rate was before hand.
Should CCP set the price for GTC, hmm maybe but what if CCP set the price lower than Conjure wants for the cards? Say 80-90 million then we would have him up in the air again *****ing that he could have got 120 million or whatever before CCP set the price.
I personally like the idea of how this system works it allows the rich to gain a benifit of a few million isk while players not in a good situation for paying for the game can trade the isk they make for game time.
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.14 09:31:00 -
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1 puprose why GTCs for isk exists are to cut ebays sales. At the current rates they cannot do that, bcs if you wana to the correct way (selling GTCs for isk) you loosing more than 50% of real life money. And its not isk we talking about here, its RL money. No1 wants to loose RL money.
You can get banned by buying isk but its a risk many (if there is any risk) dont bother
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Lo3d3R
MAFIA
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Posted - 2008.04.14 09:49:00 -
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solution: fixed prices and a que system.
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Vele Nori
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.14 10:20:00 -
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EULA should be a very strong incentive for you to buy your ISK through GTCs instead of through eBay. If you break the EULA it is not CCP's fault. They haven't actually made you do it - they did not make so dependent on buying ISK in the first place that now you're raging, and they haven't forced GTC prices to go down. Buying ISK as a phenomenon in EVE is not the doing of CCP rather the doing of people like you who choose to get ahead in virtual world using your real life wallet.
And btw even at 200 mil a code farmer ISK was still cheaper to buy. You ask CCP to regulate price but no matter what they do farmers will always sell cheaper ISK. Also, farmer ISK is only cheaper if you do not get caught. If you do then it ends up being extremely expensive for you, doesn't it? And on average, assuming you get caught half the time is it that much cheaper than dealing with codes? If not being able to update your clone or sell anything on the market due to negative wallet balance sound like good payoffs to you then of course farmer ISK looks damn cheap.
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Zeveron
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.14 10:35:00 -
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Again the main reason of existance of the GTCs for isk sales is to counter the isk for RL money traders.
Atm its not working as it should be bcs of the current sale ratio of the GTCs. Yes isk is gona be whatever CCP does cheaper on ebay than the GTCs. But if CCP finds a way to find the transactions, ban many ppl doing this, togather with the unattractive sell price (bcs of the GTCs) you gona have much less % of isk for RL money trades.
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Dotard
Minmatar Eternal Guardians Corp. The Covenant Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.14 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Conjure
Originally by: Faife OP is poutiest avatar ever.
Oh I totally agree, voicing ones opinion is TOTALLY being pouty.
It is your AVATAR that is pouty. Not so much the post, your opinion is just that, your opinion.
But look at the face of your avatar! Pouty! Like you asked if you could have some ice-cream and was told 'No'.
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:07:00 -
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You not only want to buy your way into a game you also want a bargain? Gtfo.
Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:28:00 -
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Originally by: Conjure OK its been a long time since I sold any GTC but it used to be 190m+ for a 30D, now its 160m? if not lower? WTF!?!?!?
It was already almost not worth it to buy/sell GTC for isk in the first place, but not its stupid to. This smells of ******s wanting to sell their GTC as fast as possible so they reduce prices ....... god dammit how stupid are people???? This is like throwing you money away. I mean its ALREADY throwing your real money away but its even worse now.
And you wont hear CCP complain about it or do anything about it because they are making bukoo bucks off this crap. IF CCP is going to allow buying/selling of GTC they should be responsible enough to regulate the prices for them. It should be a standard rate of at least 190m for 30D and so on. But like I said this will fall on deaf ears because ..... 1. Most people are too stupid to see the fault in this and 2. CCP doesn't care. This is WAY unbalanced for sellers of GTC.
I might as well buy isk of ebay, if it wasn't illegal. The funny thing is, is that I was always pro GTC selling until now.
Oh and don't bother posting crap like, "oh ur so ghey! Then dont do it!" because your the same exact idiot thats letting this happen.
This is CRAP, what incentive is there against buying isk from GTC rather than ebay (besides eula) with these prices. You see CCP crying about not buying isk, WELL WAKE UP CCP ITS YOUR OWN DOING! You all are doing this to yourselfs but not regulating GTC selling, of course people are going to goto the cheaper source. And yeah yeah eve has always had a player driven economy! but this is REAL LIFE MONEY we are talking about here. You know what I bet the economist they hired was just a way of finding out how many other different ways CCP could *****us in the behind financially.
Anyway my rant is over, I still love eve but hate management. I will probably get hundred flames .... but like I care ive said what I needed to say.
Oh yeah and my view arnt those of my corp alliance, blah blah blah (ur dumber than a box of rox if u thought so anyway).
What's the matter? Famers not left enough rats for you?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Lord WarATron on 14/04/2008 12:28:57
Originally by: Conjure
Originally by: Lord WarATron The price of a GTC is not dictated by you.
GTC's sales started off around the 100-150mil mark. If it is 160mil as you say, its still higher than what it used to be long ago.
Is it CCP's fault that players are choosing to sell at a price that they are happy with? Nope. Its actually you fault for not understanding how the free market works.
Wow thanks for showing how n00b u are. Its those who sell the GTC that set the prices in reality, for the most part. However if people choose not to buy at what people are selling for, then sellers lower the price. But again its up to the sellers what they want to sell for. Act as smart as you want to, doesnt make it so.
Please train up reading lvl1 before replying. You know, this thing called free market means anyone can sell GTC's at a price someone is willing to buy one for? --
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: Zeveron Again the main reason of existance of the GTCs for isk sales is to counter the isk for RL money traders.
Atm its not working as it should be bcs of the current sale ratio of the GTCs. Yes isk is gona be whatever CCP does cheaper on ebay than the GTCs. But if CCP finds a way to find the transactions, ban many ppl doing this, togather with the unattractive sell price (bcs of the GTCs) you gona have much less % of isk for RL money trades.
Proof?
GTC prices are coming down from a historical high point. they were 130M/300M for 30/90days when I started playing.
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:34:00 -
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Posting in a fail thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 34 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8) |
RaTTuS
BIG Soul of Fountain
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Posted - 2008.04.14 12:36:00 -
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fail to the OP for jumping before looking -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
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Ki An
Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum
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Posted - 2008.04.14 13:46:00 -
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Originally by: Dotard It is your AVATAR that is pouty. Not so much the post, your opinion is just that, your opinion.
But look at the face of your avatar! Pouty! Like you asked if you could have some ice-cream and was told 'No'.
Thanks, needed that.
Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
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Barbens
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.04.14 16:17:00 -
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Supply vs Demand
BaRbEnS |
Andargor theWise
Collateral Damage Unlimited
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:24:00 -
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Originally by: Conjure
Originally by: Faife OP is poutiest avatar ever.
Oh I totally agree, voicing ones opinion is TOTALLY being pouty. And you can all say what you wish to say becuase 1. its your opinion and 2. I dont care and 3. I pay 14.99 a month to be able to use the forums/game so ill post anything I see fit to post about until I get banned or quit.
Posting your opinion and insulting those that disagree with you are two different things.
Second, waving your subscription fee around as your god-given right to be abusive to other players paying same said subscription is a double fail.
Reported. Enjoy your warning.
And to answer your question, CCP controlling the price is a godsend to the RMT market: you are dictating the price for them. Ban GTC sales between players.
- Stop the Feature Glut: Take the API to the Next Level
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wamingo
Amarr Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2008.04.14 17:27:00 -
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Blame the rich and stupid, but mostly the rich.
I enjoy low gtc prices for two reasons:
1. Cheap game time for the poor. 2. I don't want to fight someone elses RL wallet. It's nothing but regrettable that it's unavoidable, let alone legal.
I hope prices will fall even more. And I imagine they will if subscriber numbers increases. -- I won't not promise to avoid refraining from harming you! .... What? |
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