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Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:25:00 - [1] This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz?
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:32:00 - [2] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 15/04/2008 14:33:00 So you want a game to restrict playtime of your son. Doesn't he have parents? I understand you'll get in arguments with him trying to do so, but trying to get CCP to do it for you doesn't make a lot of sense. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:35:00 - [3] Well we can restrict his PC time at home, but then he'll just go out to a friends house or an internetcafe and play there and then while I'm playing i'll see 'Sith Bandon' pop up in my buddys list all of a sudden.
Astria Tiphareth Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:37:00 - [4] Edited by: Astria Tiphareth on 15/04/2008 14:38:28 With the greatest of respect, I would say that I believe society (and in this case, the EVE community/devs) should not be responsible for this sort of thing. It comes down to parenting and it can't really be dodged. Look at it this way, hypothetically. If later in life your son has any real-life problem with something (god forbid), there are no devs to ask to control his behaviour. The two of you would have to work that out. Better to instil some discipline in him, or better yet help him find some self-discipline. It's a shame, as EVE requires great skill and thought done properly, so in that sense he's clearly capable. I'm not sure I'm qualified to give any real advice, but I would say that my parents had a quick and simple solution for too much gaming, namely turning the computer off and telling me to go do my homework Perhaps the most effective method is to base his account payments to EVE on school results? It does beg the question of where the complexity of EVE becomes too much like a job... Edit: (Joking) If all else fails, I suppose you could hire some mercs to pod him every time he's in EVE outside agreed hours ___ "If you can't debate using logic & fact, and at least recognise other people's point of view, don't waste time posting on forums. It only makes you look like a teenage idiot."
Da'iel Zehn Suune Core Operations	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:40:00 - [5] oh, parenting. The most difficult job in the world. If you setup a home domain server you could restrict his account to only certain hours. If he violates those hours ground him completely. Maybe CCP could just link children accounts to their parents, then they could restrict them using the website account details. Would be easy to do I think. That way he couldn't play anywhere outside of designated times. Yeah its easy for people to say: "doesn't he have parents?" Yeah, ok... sure... its so easy to parent. Though one way you might get him off Eve is to spend time with him and take him out and do activiites together. Sounds like you want to restrict him while your still playing. -- DZ's website
Krollin Minmatar Ki Shoda United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:51:00 - [6] Interseting subject. I think there has been a number of studies that show that increased usage of computer technology (be it consoles or MMORPG's) has an adverse affect on a childs social development. However I do not think it should be CCP's responsibility to monitor and control how long an individual plays EVE. Especially as you need to have a bank account to create an account. Though I would like to see some basic parental controls put in place. Having said that, if he is simply using a Cybercafe or a friends computer it maybe harder to control. If he was my son, I would withdraw the use of his account until his school results improved....or at the very least threaten such an action, you control the bank account remember :p Kro
Fortuna Cournot Caldari Special Unit Omega Kraftwerk.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:54:00 - [7] This is part of the Windows Vista Operating System. It shouldn't be part of a game design. In Windows Vista it is possible to setup accounts to be restricted. You can restrict the times when certain users are allowed to use the computer. If the user dosn't log out before, he is logged out. You can do this on a dayoftheweek base, e.g.: Sun,Mon-Thu 12-22; Fri,Sat 10-23. You can also restrict users based on PEGI age codes etc. ------ ineve.net Character Skill Showroom My EVE Link Collection
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 14:59:00 - [8] I whole-heartedly support this idea and encourage CCP to take a proactive stance to protect our children. There are no sacrifices too great to ensure the proper education of our children. If CCP fail to implement the ideas listed by the OP, it will show an alarming lack of concern for our future generation. Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:06:00 - [9] If you are worried about your kid playing while at friend's houses then you have to find a solution to that class of problem. I would recommend a 'grades vs account' scheme... if the game is really effecting his schooling THAT badly, shut down his account. If he continues to play after that (via GTCs or such) then you have a discipline problem well beyond the scope of a game and EvE will be the least of your problems.
Mik kyo D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:08:00 - [10] I am personally involved in this situation, as I was Volarius' first wife. Its a long story but the short of it is that I ran away to join the circus. To those who critisise Vol's parenting, put yourself in his situation, realise the troubles he has had... maybe the blame lies elsewhere?
Tinuveil Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:16:00 - [11] Originally by: Krollin Interseting subject. I think there has been a number of studies that show that increased usage of computer technology (be it consoles or MMORPG's) has an adverse affect on a childs social development. However I do not think it should be CCP's responsibility to monitor and control how long an individual plays EVE. Especially as you need to have a bank account to create an account. Though I would like to see some basic parental controls put in place. Having said that, if he is simply using a Cybercafe or a friends computer it maybe harder to control. If he was my son, I would withdraw the use of his account until his school results improved....or at the very least threaten such an action, you control the bank account remember :p Kro I think you're forgetting the use of GTC's and the option of trading in ISK for GTC's. If he really is that good of a player he might just be paying for his EvE account like many others using the ISK-GTC built in trade system. You should encourage him to do activities other than Eve and then reward him by letting him play instead of totally denying him access. And also set a good example or be part of some of the activities that he does instead of playing Eve and then complaining that you see him play it while he shouldn't.
Zartach Tzarszh Minmatar The Royal Engineers	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:45:00 - [12] Originally by: Aypse If CCP fail to implement the ideas listed by the OP, it will show an alarming lack of concern for our future generation. This made me laugh, thanks for the comedy. Coercive politics are not lost on you aye? Obey or be branded a child hater!! I bet everyone will run for the hills now. Like if my child would play EVE by running off to an internet cafe, when I told him to go out and play soccer. HELL would be waiting for him if he ever had the nerve to show his face at my house again. I would cancel his account right then and there. Eve online makes that real easy, by adding his main and alts to the buddy list. It is and always should be the responsibility of the parents to protect their children from bad influences/spending too much time on line/in games.
Rheinkraft D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:50:00 - [13] Parenting can be very tough at times, I have first hand experience. The only thing I could suggest is maybe spend some father and son time with young Sith, you know take him to the zoo or out to play ball or maybe build a go-kart.... Theres plenty of options open for you away from eve... Under The Black Flag Est 2004
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:51:00 - [14] Originally by: Mik kyo To those who critisise Vol's parenting, put yourself in his situation, realise the troubles he has had... maybe the blame lies elsewhere? Blame could be spread around, but it is not with CCP. Account timers are short term solutions that cause more behavioral problems then they solve. I've yet to witness a usage of timers that didn't backfire on the parents in the long run.
Ellaine TashMurkon CBC Interstellar The Unseen Company	Posted - 2008.04.15 15:54:00 - [15] Edited by: Ellaine TashMurkon on 15/04/2008 15:55:07 I want a popup saying "ohnonono, you should be alt-tabbed and working" if I click anything more often then once an hour outside 22-23 Eve time :) ... unless its time to change a skill.
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:01:00 - [16] Originally by: Zartach Tzarszh HELL would be waiting for him if he ever had the nerve to show his face at my house again. So, you would kill your child & send him to hell if he ever disobeyed you? I suggest you immediately relinquish all claims over your child & send him to live with a relative that will care & nurture him. I bet you are the type of bad parent that would not support an idea like proposed by the OP. It is vital to our communities, nations, and world that parents be given the tools necessary to ensure the quality education and upbringing of our children, such as Sith Bandon. CCP have demonstrated a strong of responsibility to the community it has created and therefore I am confident that they will begin the immediate development of the OP's needed account features. Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:02:00 - [17] Because parenting is difficult, you need someone else to do it for you? You already have easy ways to know when he is playing, as you said, you see him as online ingame. You can totally track when he is playing, it is your job to control his playtime. If there's nothing you can do... Think it again, there will be something he will react to. I'm quite bored of the current trend of giving the parent's role to the school, and now to game developpers. More you give away your parent role, less control you will have, asking CCP for this is even more loosing control. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Freya Selene Delucian Defence Initiative The Church.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:04:00 - [18] Restricting playtime to children is a parrents job. Not the job of a gaming company. Its hilerieus seeing parrents point at company's that its there fault they cant raise there own childeren. Its so easy to blame someone else for your own mistakes.
Anubis Xian Vertigo One	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:09:00 - [19] So you want a feature that already exists? Originally by: CCP Oveur The client handles no logic, it is simply a dumb terminal. Juggernauts
NightKhaos Gallente Khaos Wielders	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:12:00 - [20] I agree with the majority that the responsibility should be that of the parents, not of CCP. If your child is playing to much and you yourself are paying the subscription fee, I would recommend threating them that you will not pay their fee if they do not study. If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. Player owned stargates. Dragger Ships
Eleana Tomelac Gallente Through the Looking Glass	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:18:00 - [21] Originally by: NightKhaos If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. There are GTCs, which do not cost that much isk for people who sped a lot of time in the game. I'm not playing much (often connected and not doing anything aka being afk!) and I've made enough ISKs for one year in GTCs in a few weeks. GTCs are something full time players can get in a few days of time. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Lee ChanKa Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:23:00 - [22] Edited by: Lee ChanKa on 15/04/2008 16:23:37 i think you nead hospitalization asap
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:37:00 - [23] You said I was your only child :( -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:41:00 - [24] Originally by: NightKhaos If they do not execute your request, execute your threat. Execute your kid! -- Ralara / Ralarina VOTE FOR RALARA AS YOUR CSM REPRESENTATIVE, AND RECEIVE A COUPON FOR A 10% DISCOUNT AT WORLD OF WARCRAFT. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=74811
z0de Gallente The Bastards	Posted - 2008.04.15 16:49:00 - [25] Its a parents job to control his kids not ccp's or any other company. If he goes on/out when you told him not to then punish him.
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:02:00 - [26] Oh volarius what have you done. Sith had the chance to be such a rounded individual and then you just couldn't leave those damn NPCs alone to spend some time with him. No wonder he's so angry. I don't think you are looking in the right place to fix your parenting faux pas, maybe if you took some classes and got some help for your unhealthy Estamel addiction you will start to see some improvements in young Siths behaviour. --------------------------------------
Havoc G Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:03:00 - [27] i lol'ed..
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Volarius This is an idea I heard is already implemented in some other MMO games like WoW. I would like to see an account bound option to restrict the time a person plays EVE Online. My son plays this game as well under the character Sith Bandon. He is actually the CEO of a pretty big corporation called ViperSquad, so I do understand why he spends so much time playing. But it's hurting his results at school now and he hardly ever goes outside anymore to play soccer. That is why I would like to see an option to restrict his play time online. What do you guys thinkz? you gave yourself away at soccer though, nobody but americans call it soccer ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
GreGh Rakrot Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:11:00 - [29] Its hard to be a parent Vol, specialy someone with such a difficult job as you. But what you said explains everything about Sith, I'll try to be more patient with him in the future. Just an idea, maybe you should take him with you to work one time and go through all those pictures togheter ... you know, father & son bonding and all.
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:28:00 - [30] Vol, perhaps a little less time with the bottle and more time with precious little Sith will help resolve your situation.

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