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ClarCE	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:07:00 - [1] Hi, I don't know how well this is going to go down with the community, and mods, this is not a troll, it's serious, and 1 person mailing you guys isnt going to work. So this is a mass petition, that will be probably be flamed, but then again, maybe there are a lot of mature people out there who agree. Here goes: I want these two words picked up by the language filter, they are: Griefer and Carebear I don't know about anyone else, but I for one have had enough of these words being used on these forums. Calling someone stupid or an idiot gets the post locked, calling someone one of the above should do also. But thats just not the case. No one likes being called any of the above, to me its just down right rude, and a bad way to introduce new players to massive online games and the language used. Soon, if its not too late already, we'll have an army of insulting players, who think it's 'ok' when it just is not. So, thats the rant, now place your vote, a simple yes or no will do (and constructive comments), and if this post gets lost down the forums, well we'll know no one really cares but me, however I think its a sad day if no one else has a problem with it. Lets keep it flame free for a change aswell --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
El Duderino	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:10:00 - [2] Agree
Dust Puppy	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:22:00 - [3] NO! I think the forums are already to overprotective. __________ Capacitor research
Nightfang	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:24:00 - [4] Censorship is the absolutely worst limit you can impose on a human mind, so I vote for a definite NO. I can understand why CCP wants a profanity filter to clear out words for genitals and such, but it's gone too far when the filter starts deleting names such as the one of the previous Iraqi dictator. That just means an extra "C" in CCP's name in my books... So no, please. Carebear and Griefer are two community words. Let's not censor ourselves into zombiness, please?
Smacktastic	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:26:00 - [5] The carebears are griefers, so yes, why not. They ruin whole online games, wholesale. It's not CCP that is micro managing their ant-hill, it's the true griefers. ---------------------------------- Moderator @ www.killer-clowns.com
Harcole	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Nightfang Censorship is the absolutely worst limit you can impose on a human mind, so I vote for a definite NO. I can understand why CCP wants a profanity filter to clear out words for genitals and such, but it's gone too far when the filter starts deleting names such as the one of the previous Iraqi dictator. That just means an extra "C" in CCP's name in my books... So no, please. Carebear and Griefer are two community words. Let's not censor ourselves into zombiness, please? I use these words out side of EvE, its most amusing to shout Carebare at some silly driver doing 30 in a 60 zone (Doesn't half get some strange looks if theres some non-eve playing people playing granted)... at the end of the day there not offensive and so why should they be censored?
Mned Graydroggen	Posted - 2004.04.21 16:36:00 - [7] carebear, a word commonly used by ppl to refer to others who have found ways to amuse themselves in Tranquility other then fitting a gun and shooting at stuff. griefer, quite often the same person who uses the word carebear. Usualy can't come up with anything better than shooting stuff in Tranquilities vastness. I see no harm in both words, So vote no
Wrangler	Posted - 2004.04.21 20:26:00 - [8] Well, in my opinion griefer is a person who attacks and kill everyone they see just to hurt them, and a carebear is someone who doesnt think there should be any PvP in the game what so ever. But, for some reason people call anyone who enjoys PvP griefer and anyone who doesnt enjoy PvP carebear, which in my opinion is wrong. However, we will not ge adding "griefer" and "carebear" to the profanity filter. [Read the Rules!] - [Email the Moderators]
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.21 20:29:00 - [9] I'd like to see a filter on posts by all the accounts Skillz owns. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Smacktastic	Posted - 2004.04.21 20:53:00 - [10] Edited by: Smacktastic on 21/04/2004 20:58:06 No Joshua, you can not have a happy birthday. ---------------------------------- Moderator @ www.killer-clowns.com
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.21 20:56:00 - [11] Originally by: Smacktastic Why would you assume that even CCP knows all accounts 'I' own? Hmm good point actually, think people will pick up on it after a couple of posts though. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.21 20:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Wrangler Well, in my opinion griefer is a person who attacks and kill everyone they see just to hurt them, and a carebear is someone who doesnt think there should be any PvP in the game what so ever. But, for some reason people call anyone who enjoys PvP griefer and anyone who doesnt enjoy PvP carebear, which in my opinion is wrong. However, we will not ge adding "griefer" and "carebear" to the profanity filter. Couldn't agree more. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Viduus	Posted - 2004.04.21 21:04:00 - [13] No. I don't mind the terms, when used properly (I don't feel either apply to me hehe). I'm not a carebear, I fight if/when I have to - and I don't cry foul if my ship gets blown up. I'm not playing a MMOG to play solo. I'm not a griefer, either; I don't hunt down innocent players who are just going about their business because the game has a loophole that lets me. And let's face it, just because someone is a pirate (which I am not) does not make them a griefer. I find it rather commical when either term is misused, though... and the thread starter is correct only insofar as the terms being highly and incorrectly overused. * Public Channel: NEA *
Turin	Posted - 2004.04.21 22:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Viduus No. I don't mind the terms, when used properly (I don't feel either apply to me hehe). I'm not a carebear, I fight if/when I have to - and I don't cry foul if my ship gets blown up. I'm not playing a MMOG to play solo. I'm not a griefer, either; I don't hunt down innocent players who are just going about their business because the game has a loophole that lets me. And let's face it, just because someone is a pirate (which I am not) does not make them a griefer. I find it rather commical when either term is misused, though... and the thread starter is correct only insofar as the terms being highly and incorrectly overused. You sir, are a griefing Carebaear, and I do NOT appriciate you trying to get my vocabulary nerfed!
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.04.21 23:06:00 - [15] Yeah...I generally reserve the term 'griefer' to those who sit in 0.4 just across from secure space just waiting to shoot anyone, especially newbies in small easy ships, that comes across to mine or hunt NPC. Plain old pirates have honor, dont lame (for the most part), and arent what im talking about here. See, not everyone that goes into low sec space wants a fight. Basically my point is, if youre going to shoot before you ask, then you should be prepared to take whatever insult comes your way. _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Kin Oreyn	Posted - 2004.04.21 23:20:00 - [16] No.
Lord Grakk	Posted - 2004.04.21 23:46:00 - [17] I like realistic games. I dont like wishy washy liberal fence sitters. I dont care much for Grifers either. I certainly dont like carebears. In fact I like the fact that you have to be careful about all the nasty types just waiting at the next jumpgate who might just blow you away. Makes you think....makes you take precautions. Adds a lot of thought and interest to the game. As for censoring out certain words. If carebear or Griefer are the worst you are ever called then....hay....wow man dont take it too seriously....cos to be honost...its not that bad. I like reality. I like the fact that sometimes you meet good guys....and sometimes you meet bad guys who you just have to kick the hell outta. Thats life....and thats eve. If you dont like it play something else. So I vote NO.
Titan AE	Posted - 2004.04.22 00:01:00 - [18] Reading the term "carebear" and "griefer" used to annoy me as well. After a while though the instant you see somone using those terms you sort of either skip what they wrote entirely or seriously downgrade any effort to take what they wrote seriously. They are stereo types used most commonly to insult a class of people. I think they fall right in line with words from the past like the deragative word used to refer to japanese durning the second world war, and deragatory words used to refer to blacks, latinos ect. Since the evolution of these words usage has turned into a slur againts a class of player I wouldn't mind a bit seeing them nixxed myself. However this is a free forum and in spite of my personal desire I'd have to say they should be left as they are now. Censorship gets out of control very, very quickly. Imo, anyone that is relatively bright and has something worthwile to say will not be using those words in their posts. I avoid them like the plague now when I post becuase it has such negative conotations to use them. They are nearly curse words in their use. So treat any post you read with those words in them as you would treat a post that has a curse word every sentence. Downgrade your opinion of the poster, glance breifly to make sure that in fact they are not worth reading and move on.
Rapturea	Posted - 2004.04.22 00:21:00 - [19] down with censorship. if you cant handle 2 perfectly harmless words i suggest you make a b-line straight for the arctic or somewhere you wont find any other humans, and stay there for a very long time. get used to it When I was a kid my favorite relative was Uncle Caveman. After school we'd all go play in his cave, and every once in a while he would eat one of us. It wasn't until later that I found out that Uncle Caveman was a bear. -jack handy
Amicus	Posted - 2004.04.22 00:34:00 - [20] While I sympathize with your desire for polite discourse, I think banning lingo is not the way to go. To put it another way: Missiles and drones may break my clones, but names I really don't give a hoot about.
vecdran	Posted - 2004.04.22 00:44:00 - [21] I wonder if I'm the only one who thinks the term Carbear is the stupidest lingo I've ever heard in my life? The Civilized Civire
Samsson	Posted - 2004.04.22 02:05:00 - [22] What Wrangler said is correct , its a matter of degree. Most of us want pvp and being able to trade and manufacture. What we dont want is kestrals killing indys with cruise missles and no way to fight back , we also dont want a game with no PVP.
Gorbo	Posted - 2004.04.22 02:15:00 - [23] uh on the topic of kestrels shooting indys with cruise missiles and having a friend pick up the loot, they could fix that by puting in a anti-missile system that is laser or ammo based instead of missile, then they mount long range versions these on the sentry guns near high-sec gates, but not in sec ratings below .7 so you could still do it there to make the pirates(cough cough cougriefers) happy Keep Flaming, Im reloading
Jasmine Sparrow	Posted - 2004.04.22 02:19:00 - [24] I find any censorship, except parental, to be more offensive than any string of curse words. I used to serve in the US Navy as a Submariner so I know a few. ;) So how do you solve that? ah... Fujiko
Joe	Posted - 2004.04.22 02:33:00 - [25] Edited by: Joe on 22/04/2004 02:35:26 Nothing wrong with self preservation. I all ways use warpcore stabs. Does that make me a carebear? Taranis WholeSale Deals.
Sparkel	Posted - 2004.04.22 03:38:00 - [26] Nice topic First i like to say my spelling isnt good so ther might be som mishapps Oke lets look at the world around us and see how things work. Its mostly based on us as a consumer and to get things we want someone has to build them. The idea of EVE i think is that ther are pepole bulding stuff and pepole buying them and for that to happen we need pirets to destroy our ships so the marked works as it shuld be. Also we need builders to make the things(so called carrybears). What i mean is that for the game to work we need both Pirets and "carrybears".(The pepole that make things) Now the word grefer is a person that always complains about things(well i think so).But i dont like the word really. Im sure also we bring a littel bit of our real life in to EVE and also we might lern few things that might help us in real life(as for me i have learn the weight of team work and how standing together we can achieve a lot). And dont forget the freinds we can make som maby for life. I bring a lot of my personality to my char and what i do in the game somtimes reflect how i feal in real life. If im rude to pepole i feal gulty and if im polite and show other pepole respeckt im feal good about my self. Now what im consern about how some pepole are extrimly rude to others both in game and on the forums, spesaly on the forums. What can we do about it....i cant answer that im sorry Now about the PvP and the endless war here on the forums about what is PvP and new player killing and the diffrens betvine thos two things. From my point of wiew...killing new players(newbees and noobs as some pepole call them) ther is no reson to do so, but im not going to juge pepole that do it, becous i cant do antthing about it. You all can call me a cearbear but i have done a PvP....i have desent skills and i can safe my ass if needed. Most of my PvP i have done around Gehi system and it was fun.....oke i admit it was an adrenalin russ all thru and in the end i got killed by m0o corp(i think it was Stvaro(if i dont spell his name right im sorry)) But dam it was fun. So i understand the PvP guys for doing what they do and remember if they wernt in eve the game would be pretty boring. Like in 0,4 to 0,0 systems seing a piret in local can be wery stressfull and the adrenalin flows alot. I wouldnt want to be whit out them and if they get me sometime they have erned my respeckt and i will not greef about it Just remember being polite dosent cost"much" and ya¦ll have all to gain. I like to say as well thes are my thoughts and my opinons on the endless argue about whining,greefing,cearbears,killing new players,PvP,pirets and lot more. This is what i think of thes matters... Maby som of you think this has nothing to do whits this thread. So i know i will get som respons that i dont like and som i do like its just for me to handel... Pirets and cearbears need each other... Cearbears do the mining and building things PvP and pirets blow them up so the cearbears need to build more But ther has also to be balance betvine thes two roles becous if thers not a balance things dont work as they shuld do. I hops some you understand what im saying if not....then im sorry that this is unreadble. Well i can go on and on all night if i want to but im going to stop now Remember be nice to each other it solves a lot of things.
0seeker0	Posted - 2004.04.22 05:11:00 - [27] I think carebear is an ace word. People are gonna insult folks one way or another, and carebear really isnt the worst i could think of. Hell, i even kinda like being called carebear, its just funny. Seeker (covered in ore dust) Character "Widescreen" is a scammer; beware. Check my bio for a list of known scammers.
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.04.22 08:12:00 - [28] This appears to have stirred up a fair few feelings, admitedly, ones I hadn't really thought about, and I'm impressed that I only counted about 4 flames too. As for the words, its obvious they are not going anywhere, and after getting to Titan AE's post, I realised that maybe banning them is not the solution at all. However it seems that on the whole people do think the words are used as an insult, still a personal attack in any case, if they are thrown as insults. Tangent: Skillz, why havent you posted as skillz for ages? So in the future I'll just ignore people that use those words in their post, and I imagine a fair few people avoided this post just because of its subject. Thanks to everyone who's posted so far --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
meowcat	Posted - 2004.04.22 08:40:00 - [29] freedom of speech? yeah! just watch what you say.... ~~~~)\~~~~~\o/~~~~ yeah but no but yeah but no but
Grimster	Posted - 2004.04.22 08:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Edited by: Joe on 22/04/2004 02:35:26 Nothing wrong with self preservation. I all ways use warpcore stabs. Does that make me a carebear? LOL! I do to, but was called a griefer earlier this week

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