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Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:58:00 - [151] Originally by: KeyuserII If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some shyt invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite? Quoted for truth. Too bad it won't make into posterity
KeyuserII Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:10:00 - [152] At least you can't refute that CEI puppet, like to see someone spin it but you just can't.Let me hold your hand tear.
Zeveron Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:15:00 - [153] How dare you ppl speak like that about RZR? The leader of that great alliance announced once that they gona stay and fight as long as it takes to kill BoB. That great alliance announced, 1 week ago, that they nearly killed BoB and GBC, they filled all their objectives and leaving delve and BoB alone. How dare you ppl speaking like that for that great alliance?
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:16:00 - [154] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 12:38:22 Originally by: Mr Trouble Sorry, it seems I was wrong in my somewhat sarcastic reply. Unable to beat INSRG with 3-1 or even 4-1 numbers in their favour, RZR have now resorted to that most noble and brave of PvP activities in an attempt to take the 4DT outpost (still Sov 1 for INSRG) - The Pos Spam. Naptrain, Pos Spam... all thats left is for them to try jumping 800 into a system to crash the node. oh wait Were you born that stupid or did it come to you with age, and am guessing all 12 years of it? What an intelligent and devastating retort. Truly my critisism of RZR's 'tactics' is now proven beyond doubt to be worthless and without substance. Well done.
Crax McGee Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:24:00 - [155] if its insurge i wont be logging on, infact ill sell my account.. better be BRUCE or MM...
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:25:00 - [156] I for one am ready to bow down to our new Razor overlords.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:44:00 - [157] Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 13:56:50 Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 13:52:29 Originally by: KeyuserII Edited by: KeyuserII on 18/04/2008 12:57:00 If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. You sure about that? And am dont saying RzR are strong, they have yet to prove themselves. Just saying that Mr troubles troll about RzR tactics is stupid. You try the mega blob, it doenst work do you go for other targets. Next step is other systems. Placing POS's is a tried and tested way to take systems used by BoB, Goons, MC hell every alliace that whats to take space. thats why i was calling him stupid, oh and the fact he still thinks jumping 600 into a cyno jammed system already camped with 250 + 30 carriers is an advantage. I very much dout hes ever tried any kind of warfare beyond ganking some nubs in lowsec. Also on a side not, insurg have yet to prove themselves. Kicking out a few small alliances 1/5 their size does not count. If they last out againt MM & co. for a while then yes. But up until that point they havent done anything note worthy.
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:51:00 - [158] Originally by: KeyuserII If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some sheit invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite? hello Aneu :) i figured with your top quality "spy" network you would be more informed but it would appear you are just as misinformed as ever.
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:03:00 - [159] Originally by: raspuiain Also on a side not, insurg have yet to prove themselves. Kicking out a few small alliances 1/5 their size does not count. If they last out againt MM & co. for a while then yes. But up until that point they havent done anything note worthy. epic lulz right here, ladies and gentleman INSRG fought a coaltion of alliances three times their size, one of whom was the same size as them at the time (Rare Faction). They were constantly outnumbered and often fought 100 v 200. They took a whole constellation simply by placing one large POS in the entrance point, and destroying all other POS in the constellation and decimating anything which attempted to take their POS. They did that alone, with no outside help, and even RZR/MM recognised their achievements. Comparing RZR to INSRG is pure, unadulterated comedy, the two entities could not be more different in style and approach. Everyone knows that, even RZR, but carry on your delusional rants if you must.
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:06:00 - [160] i do see delusional ranting but most of it is coming from the above poster. please do us a favor and stop the chest beating.

raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:07:00 - [161] I didnt compare RZR with insurgency, insur are twice the size of RzR. I just said they hadnt done anything noteworth and lol at Rare faction :D ASCN was a big alliance.. alot of it did them
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:09:00 - [162] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. Fallen Souls allied with Aftermath and attacked us in YA0 and VFK after we'd kicked VI in the teeth and they'd surrendered to us. Fallen Souls loosing a load of capships was their own fault. Woah, that's something new. You have a good imagination, haven't you? FS wouldn't attack Tri at those times even if they wanted, as their hands were tied in the BKG. There was an attack in Deklein as an attempt of counter attack on your pet alliance (I don't even recall it's name), but that one wasn't even half serious and of course FS weren't the aggressors. Do not spin the facts, mkay?
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:12:00 - [163] Originally by: Arthin Mutin Or could it of been the fact that FS were part of a coalition that was making threats to triumvirates first super cap in buil and owned half of deklein witch Tri wanted to hold? No it was probably the fact they lubz razor. Oh c'mon... If Tri wanted that part of Deklein they would attack FS straight after the Sparta Alliance disband and not weeks and months later.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:18:00 - [164] Originally by: Wesley Baird I for one am ready to bow down to our new Razor overlords. New? That actually made me giggle.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:20:00 - [165] Originally by: Mr Trouble epic lulz right here, ladies and gentleman INSRG fought a coaltion of alliances three times their size, one of whom was the same size as them at the time (Rare Faction). They were constantly outnumbered and often fought 100 v 200. The lulz part lies on russians forums where Stella Polar (a ruskies alliance - pets of razor) were constantly moaning and whining about how big bad Insurgency were blobbing on poor them...
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:30:00 - [166] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 14:20:44 I didnt compare RZR with insurgency, insur are twice the size of RzR. I just said they hadnt done anything noteworth and lol at Rare faction :D ASCN was a big alliance.. alot of good it did them This fight is the first real one Insurg have faced with anything there own skill level. And tbh its the same for RzR. Yes they had there arse handed to them, but look who against. MC&co. in their hayday before Cynojammers and BoB, who managed to beat back the largest "group" ever seen. But it seems you want to just attack RzR and wave your insurg flag, so go ahead. Okay, so fighting a coaltion of alliances numbering 5,000 people when they were 1,200 strong, alone, and winning, is clearly 'nothing' according to you. Okay. And apparently the Naptrain Blob of over 10,000 is a 'real fight'. Its not a fight, its a gangbang, the naptrain can't even fit all its pilots in one system without breaking the game. Frankly most would have cascade failed in the face of it already, the fact INSRG are holding their own at the moment, and inflicting very high losses, says quite a bit. Name one other alliance who have conquered good 0.0 space recently alone, without the help of multiple allies, and whilst heavily outnumbered. I can only think of at most two - INSRG and TRI (though TRI were not outnumbered V's YouWhat but they still did it alone). Everyone else is just a Naptrain monkey as far as I can see.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:46:00 - [167] We took Tenal and we've held it for two years now. That's as stable as Tenal has ever been. In addition to that we've added considerable infrastructure to it and through guns and diplomacy we've built RZR into what it is. We lost all our space but stuck together and retook it. We're a small alliance built on our relationships and inside we mostly have a feeling of whatever happens we'll do it together. And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:47:00 - [168] stop being fricking muppets FFS. we like RZR and IRON and we always have even though we are shooting now. the only ones ive started to dislike personally is morsus mihi with their demanding this and demanding that attitude. time will tell what will happen and in the mean time ppl will have fun looking at nice sploshuns.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:52:00 - [169] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Fred0 is as always good at excuses.
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:08:00 - [170] Originally by: KeyuserII but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) Look how stupid you are.

Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:11:00 - [171] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( epic lulz once again How exactly did they do that? By asking you politely to remove your deathstar from their outpost system? You know it, I know it, everyone knows it - INSRG never intended to attack you, they told you that and you knew it to be the case. So cut the dreadful excuses about why you failed against BoB because no-one is going to believe that, not even you.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:00:00 - [172] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) Even if insurg hadnt convo'ed asking for the removal of Moon POS's, BKG ect and RZR had sayed in Q, after QY6 I dout it wouldnt have made much of a diffrence. Tbh I wouldnt be supprised if you took the insurg problem as an excuse to pull of out a meatgrinder war. But we will never really know the intentions of either side only guess at the reasons :D But as they say thats history and the north is once again at war.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:04:00 - [173] Originally by: Mr Trouble epic lulz once again How exactly did they do that? By asking you politely to remove your deathstar from their outpost system? A POS thatI belive was there before insurg took the space from RzR friends while they were fighting BoB down south. And again from what I heard it was less of a request more of an ultimatum.
Catherine Sukata	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:28:00 - [174] Alt poasting: Hey look ma, I'm in a Anue and Djnme thread
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:53:00 - [175] Come on guys, this is a tri thread; there's no reason to chat about Insurgency's fight in the north. Unless Tri is involving themselves somehow... ? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:01:00 - [176] Originally by: Liang Nuren Come on guys, this is a tri thread; there's no reason to chat about Insurgency's fight in the north. Unless Tri is involving themselves somehow... ? -Liang RzR is in the topic, so I think we are ok :P
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:52:00 - [177] I was scouring the news articles, and I found out for sure what Tri is doing: Quote: BREAKING NEWS FROM TNR Tensions are ratcheting in TNR between the Guristas pirates and the Rogue Drones. The Drone Hives were recently aggressed by the Guristas during a routine "booty op". Initial reports indicate that rum had been flowing freely through the Guristas ships. With spirits high, the Guristas allegedly beset by a Rule of Three Raven class battleship, and were taking heavy damage. However, the Rule of Three raven was no match for the Guristas Obliterators, and was prevented from escaping due to a Dire Guristas frigate. As the Guristas closed in on the wreck for some booty, Rogue Squadron (a small faction of drone frigates) turned up and ran away with the loot. The local com net was filled with "Brrzztt Bzzzttt Zooot Soot!", which can be roughly translated from Drone-ese into: "Kill him. Kill him. Kill them both, and then we take the Precious and we be the master". Naturally, a pirate organization the size of the Guristas would not take this laying down. They've been known to be calling in favors from Triumvirate and VETO in an effort to "purge" the Drone regions of drones. Secret spies in also allude to the Guristas wanting to subjugate the Drones into a renewable source of minerals for mass Titan production. Could the Caldari empire withstand a Guristas force equiped with so many titans? Concord representative Eva Earlong is on the record as stating, "Jazz Jackrabbit will lead us in multiplying our forces here at Concord." Oddly enough, she didn't mention anything about Concord actually defending the Caldari from their Guristas pirates. Perhaps there's a conspiracy afoot, find out more at 9! -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:23:00 - [178] Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:33:00 - [179] Originally by: Fred0 You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. Maybe you guys should just go back down south and move your space there? Heck, Billy Bob, maybe you guys can start a new NAPTrain down there, and stop being the caboose of this one, eh? :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:12:00 - [180] Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;)



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