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Footmuck Fingerknuckle Footmuck Fingerknuckle Corp	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:17:00 - [1] 2008.04.14 20:07 Monday we start our next major war, we are going to be attacking alliance(s) and our objective is to kick them from their stations. This war could last months, but its so important to our alliances survival that we push it with activity and commitment to our limits. A time for this op will be announced within the next week, make sure you have Battleships ready. - Darknesss ----------------- 2008.04.15 19:29 MONDAY, THATS RIGHT MONDAY AFTER THIS WEEKEND 17:30 EVETIME 2-KF IN DEKLEIN CAPITAL PILOTS: DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS SUPPORT: Read my mail :P AS A SIDE NOTE PLEASE MAKE SURE THE JUMP BRIDGES ARE FUELED! (If the Titan's there we may be jump portalling around so everyone get some stront in your hangers just in case) - xxAngelxx
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:19:00 - [2] Any proof it's Razor? :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:21:00 - [3] 2nd in another horrible alt post.
Farham AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:22:00 - [4] Big happenings up there. Lets just hope the parties involved are given room to rumble without mass alliance link ups. Intrepid Crossing Diplomat and Forum Operating N00b IRC - 2008 Award Winning Worst PVP Alliance in EVE
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:25:00 - [5] I giggled. Doesn't say RZR anywhere... ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
nakKEDK Gallente Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:28:00 - [6] why even bother razor k
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Ackaroth I giggled. Doesn't say RZR anywhere... It's why I asked. -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:30:00 - [8] Ya Liang, I know, I was refering to OP. Some pimpin' spy work he has done. Would have been better off with a "EVE, be ready, TRI is on the warpath. Against who... well I dunno yet." I know I certainly dont... that info is a bit above my paygrade. ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
Zi37A Empirius Enigmus Navy Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:33:00 - [9] It's me. I'm the alliance(s) in the OP.
Aakron The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:33:00 - [10] damn we have more holes than a sieve ---

Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:34:00 - [11] Don't forget enough fuel to hit BKG.
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:34:00 - [12] I was just about to paste this on caod myself but you had to go and beat me to it. I had a far better title too. --------------------------------------
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:35:00 - [13] Originally by: XxAngelxX I was just about to paste this on caod myself but you had to go and beat me to it. I had a far better title too. You, kitchen, go.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:37:00 - [14] Originally by: XxAngelxX I was just about to paste this on caod myself but you had to go and beat me to it. I had a far better title too. Well out with it! I mean the title. Maybe the OP would be kind enough to change his. ;-) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
NokNok D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:37:00 - [15] I'd better slap some extra resists on my dreads :/
Hast The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:37:00 - [16] Angel: how much fuel do I need to get the Naglfar you are buying me to bkg? Originally by: omeega PICTURE TOO BIG, KGB INCOMING HAVE FUN.
slip66 Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:41:00 - [17] Originally by: Hast Angel: how much fuel do I need to get the Naglfar you are buying me to bkg? WTB A HAST!
TheAdj Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:43:00 - [18] I thought you loved us Angel? Why all the hate? :) ----------------
fugazii Novus Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:49:00 - [19] The nano wars has begun. "There is nothing they can do to counter 5000 f*****g Goons logged in and ready to go." - darius JOHNSON
Flash EF coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:55:00 - [20] Edited by: Flash EF on 15/04/2008 20:55:10 20th in Tri topic! ur cynojammers wont keep us out forever!!

GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 20:57:00 - [21] Cheers, this saves me having to login
Justin Morgan Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:00:00 - [22] WTS this space!
Nomispanco D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:01:00 - [23] Edited by: Nomispanco on 15/04/2008 21:01:55 Originally by: TheAdj I thought you loved us Angel? Why all the hate? :) Coz , she loves me ! And not ya Yay i am sexyeh ♥
Arzal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: XxAngelxX I was just about to paste this on caod myself but you had to go and beat me to it. I had a far better title too. You, kitchen, go. from what iv heard its better shes not there..... ask wargod.
Saltire Virulence. Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:10:00 - [25] i really wouldnt be surprised at all if the target is INSRG. Doubtfull that its any of the blobbing northern naptrain as the target, would be epic win though if it was.
5n4keyes Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:11:00 - [26] I knew mining that peice of Crokite insted of Veldspar would lead to our destruction
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:15:00 - [27] Originally by: 5n4keyes I knew mining that peice of Crokite insted of Veldspar would lead to our destruction Honestly, you guys are immediately who I think of with relation to Deklein, so I was surprised by the implication of Razor being the target. I'm not really familiar with cyno maps though, so.. what do I know (nothing, I'll beat you to the punch)? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:21:00 - [28] It's in so many caps it's gotta be real! These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:22:00 - [29] Originally by: Wendat Huron It's in so many caps it's gotta be real! I know, I'm compensating --------------------------------------
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:26:00 - [30] Hai guyz wats goin on in dis here thread EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.

Death4free1	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:27:00 - [31] the shroud of the alt post has fallen.....Begun the alt wars have The battle for bwf-zz is over..but the battle for deklein has just bbegun more film quotes plz Death4free... Making carebears cry on the forums since about 10 mintues ago
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:30:00 - [32] Edited by: raspuiain on 15/04/2008 21:35:04 Faster! Faster, Bambi! Don't look back! Keep running! Keep running! BANG! Mother? Mother? Your mother can't be with you anymore.
Selene Bork Caldari Order of the Argent Shroud	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:34:00 - [33] Hope you kick ass whoever you attack. I seem to have a liking for Tri atm.
Arzal omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:39:00 - [34] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 15/04/2008 21:35:04 Faster! Faster, Bambi! Don't look back! Keep running! Keep running! BANG! Mother? Mother? Your mother can't be with you anymore. win tbh
UndraMundur Caldari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 21:50:00 - [35] RZR ?!? I thought we were going to take imk so I can access my old assets ? ANGEL!!!! I want and explaination(however its spelled) _____________________________________________________________ Iceland, the only country where slaves became extinct, because they were to expensive to keep
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:07:00 - [36] When attacking, just be careful they don't unleash a few t1 ruptures and destroy your alliance.
Ur235 MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:09:00 - [37] Originally by: Shin Ra When attacking, just be careful they don't unleash a few t1 ruptures and destroy your alliance. when posting be sure not to make urself like a complete ****** as you are now mmkay?
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:11:00 - [38] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: 5n4keyes I knew mining that peice of Crokite insted of Veldspar would lead to our destruction Honestly, you guys are immediately who I think of with relation to Deklein, so I was surprised by the implication of Razor being the target. I'm not really familiar with cyno maps though, so.. what do I know (nothing, I'll beat you to the punch)? -Liang You realize we took the space destiny is currently sitting on and gave it to them right? They're blue, like ATF, which I doubt will change in the near future.
Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:14:00 - [39] wut
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:15:00 - [40] Originally by: Shin Ra When attacking, just be careful they don't unleash a few t1 ruptures and destroy your alliance. Don't worry, we have GM ECM bursts fitted --------------------------------------

NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:18:00 - [41] Sorry TRI guys, we'll send in our rent right away! Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Shigsy D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:20:00 - [42] Originally by: NATMav Sorry TRI guys, we'll send in our rent right away! Payable to "shigsy" plz.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:25:00 - [43] Originally by: Gamesguy You realize we took the space destiny is currently sitting on and gave it to them right? They're blue, like ATF, which I doubt will change in the near future. Yeah, actually, I did know that. IIRC, it hasn't stopped you from kicking people out of space before. Anyway, I don't know who you're going after... Could be interesting :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:28:00 - [44] To be fair, we haven't decided yet either. Depends what happens between you guys during the week --------------------------------------
Ur235 MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:31:00 - [45] either way its gonna be good fun i assume
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:33:00 - [46] is the north on fire? I need isk. Give it to meh Dont drink and post or you get the ban
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:37:00 - [47] Originally by: XxAngelxX To be fair, we haven't decided yet either. Depends what happens between you guys during the week Very nice ... the way I understand it, we weren't going after Razor either, but they came in force. Meh, it's all good. Anyway, best of luck on your campaign. o7 -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:39:00 - [48] Originally by: dastommy79 is the north on fire? a little bit. good times :)
Ravelin Eb Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:54:00 - [49] Im glad i have no caps, means i can spend monday missioning. _________
Ky Mena Mouse Click	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:57:00 - [50] Originally by: Liang Nuren the way I understand it, we weren't going after Razor either, but they came in force. Meh, it's all good. Anyway, best of luck on your campaign. o7 -Liang unless you guys were going after... TRI... theres really no difference I sell, I buy, I survive

Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 22:58:00 - [51] I want to bring my newly bought drake on monday, but i am not sure if I should go wint passive tank or snipefit. Any ideas?
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:00:00 - [52] Originally by: Ky Mena unless you guys were going after... TRI... theres really no difference Hmm, I don't know that's necessarily true, but I'd definitely not want to speak on behalf of alliance leaders for alliances that I'm not even in! -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Volarius I want to bring my newly bought drake on monday, but i am not sure if I should go wint passive tank or snipefit. Any ideas? Snipe fit it, of course... that's why it's called a "sniper fleet". ;-) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Pazelya Amarr Spectrum Solutions INC Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:07:00 - [54] i know they are going to attack PA.. Angel, please dont beat us, i know u love us
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:17:00 - [55] How about we attack Rzr and take their regions, then Rzr attacks Insurgency and takes their regions, then Insurgency attacks us and takes our regions. Then, in two or three weeks, we switch and go the other way? Just make sure when we get off the merry-go-round, everyone owns the same regions they started with, I think some of my Directors will have aneurysms if they have to set up more POS's =(. Whelp, ~x -- TRI RADIO IS HERE! tune in at: http://160.tri-radio.com/ website (temporarially) at: http://triradio.dragonsofredemption.org/ TUNE IN!
Neon yeh	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:24:00 - [56] Edited by: Neon yeh on 15/04/2008 23:26:48 Edited by: Neon yeh on 15/04/2008 23:26:14 Alt posting sorry forums mods my bad
Ur235 MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:25:00 - [57] Originally by: Xiaodown How about we attack Rzr and take their regions, then Rzr attacks Insurgency and takes their regions, then Insurgency attacks us and takes our regions. Then, in two or three weeks, we switch and go the other way? Just make sure when we get off the merry-go-round, everyone owns the same regions they started with, I think some of my Directors will have aneurysms if they have to set up more POS's =(. Whelp, ~x THIS
Starfall Hammer Starfall Industries	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:28:00 - [58] I give it two laggy fleet battles before everyone just sneaks off to go roaming in nano gangs again and flames each other on the killboard.
MAXSuicide Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:39:00 - [59] Rumbled...
Dianeces Minmatar The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:48:00 - [60] I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone to go vote for our awesome FC Dungar Loghoth and his alt Urban II in the best FCs thread.

GreGh Rakrot Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.15 23:53:00 - [61] Originally by: Xiaodown How about we attack Rzr and take their regions, then Rzr attacks Insurgency and takes their regions, then Insurgency attacks us and takes our regions. Then, in two or three weeks, we switch and go the other way? Just make sure when we get off the merry-go-round, everyone owns the same regions they started with, I think some of my Directors will have aneurysms if they have to set up more POS's =(. Whelp, ~x This opens serious issue which needs to be addressed. The question is ...do we do it clock or anti-clock wise ?
K'Bar Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:03:00 - [62] He\|l I don't care who we attack, I just want to blow sh~t up! I call dibs on first man in.
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 01:13:00 - [63] Originally by: K'Bar He\|l I don't care who we attack, I just want to blow sh~t up! I call dibs on first man in. Good...you go in first...
Flash EF coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 02:38:00 - [64] we are invading Australia!
acompton Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 03:41:00 - [65] An alt told me that we are invading the Duchy of Grand Fenwick... ... and all I got was this lousy T-shirt
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 03:57:00 - [66] Maybe you guys will get lucky and get some good 3ways going. Those are some of the best fights i've been in. I need isk. Give it to meh Dont drink and post or you get the ban
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 03:58:00 - [67] Originally by: dastommy79 Maybe you guys will get lucky and get some good 3ways going. Those are some of the best fights i've been in. your mom and sis dont count dude...
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:06:00 - [68] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: dastommy79 Maybe you guys will get lucky and get some good 3ways going. Those are some of the best fights i've been in. your mom and sis dont count dude... Bad form Petar..
Veinnail Solstice Systems Development Concourse Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:55:00 - [69] Originally by: dastommy79 is the north on fire? it always has been, however the flame gets concealed as some use it to stay warm in the cold months. SSDC HOME "what, you didnt have damage controls fitted?"
Veinnail Solstice Systems Development Concourse Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:56:00 - [70] Originally by: Flash EF we are invading Australia! GL if you mean bruce :p SSDC HOME "what, you didnt have damage controls fitted?"

Elliott Manchild omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 04:58:00 - [71] time for another wut
dastommy79 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.16 05:09:00 - [72] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: dastommy79 Maybe you guys will get lucky and get some good 3ways going. Those are some of the best fights i've been in. your mom and sis dont count dude... that was a pretty good burn I need isk. Give it to meh Dont drink and post or you get the ban
Artemidoros Us against You	Posted - 2008.04.16 05:20:00 - [73] Originally by: Footmuck Fingerknuckle DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS My guess is they are finally gonna do some ratting. Guristas cant jam ya if your in a mothership or in seige mode!!
Mark Starkiller D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 05:35:00 - [74] I am at work and cant log in eve. Any updates of op?
Xthril Ranger hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.16 05:36:00 - [75] Originally by: Artemidoros Originally by: Footmuck Fingerknuckle DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS My guess is they are finally gonna do some ratting. Guristas cant jam ya if your in a mothership or in seige mode!! actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. . you'll never jump alone
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 05:47:00 - [76] Originally by: NATMav Sorry TRI guys, we'll send in our rent right away! Damn it i knew i forgot to put ATF in my books
Zandramus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:43:00 - [77] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Artemidoros Originally by: Footmuck Fingerknuckle DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS My guess is they are finally gonna do some ratting. Guristas cant jam ya if your in a mothership or in seige mode!! actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. this-but i only know cuz som1 told me.....maybe
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 06:51:00 - [78] Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: Xthril Ranger actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. this-but i only know cuz som1 told me.....maybe I was worried how MM found that out. I'm more worried how you did
Volarius D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 07:04:00 - [79] Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: Xthril Ranger actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. this-but i only know cuz som1 told me.....maybe I was worried how MM found that out. I'm more worried how you did Triumvirate is blue to Guristas and they share tactical information such as this
Rexxar Civire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 07:34:00 - [80] Not only can they jam a MS , they can point them as well \o/ On topic tho my thoughts would be Scalar Federation or Tenth Legion, they pose the most threat and everyone knows Pure Blind and Cloud Ring have the best veld. TehRex

Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:02:00 - [81] good luck and may the power of the blue squirrell be with you
Sokratesz Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:25:00 - [82] Originally by: K'Bar He\|l I don't care who we attack, I just want to blow sh~t up! I call dibs on first man in. i would contest your dibs but i need a cyno Yes i know i spelled COAD wrong. Stop mailing me about it I refuse to read SHC
ArmyOfMe hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.04.16 08:29:00 - [83] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Artemidoros Originally by: Footmuck Fingerknuckle DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS My guess is they are finally gonna do some ratting. Guristas cant jam ya if your in a mothership or in seige mode!! actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. i thought you said you would leave those guristas alone. they are all mine you hear
ArmChair Admiral Armchair News	Posted - 2008.04.16 14:17:00 - [84] Originally by: Rexxar Civire Not only can they jam a MS , they can point them as well \o/ On topic tho my thoughts would be Scalar Federation or Tenth Legion, they pose the most threat and everyone knows Pure Blind and Cloud Ring have the best veld. TehRex Definately. I have people in Placid next to Cloud and I'ld like to say TRI will probably attack Tenth Legion there. Why? Tenth legion is surely a powerless 500 man alliance that poses no threat to TRI? WRONG. Its the veld that makes them strong. Tenth Legion has plans to mine as much velspar so they can produce cheap tourist crap to sell around the north of eve. Basically stuff like "inflatable bread", yoyos, volcano experiments, t-shirts that say "I went to cloud ring and all I got was this stupid t-shirt...etc..." They will thus come to dominate the "sell crap to gullible tourist" industry in the north thus bankrupting Triumvirate! With all the money they will get they will probably build SEVERAL titans. My spies inform me that this cunning plan involves a guy named "Big Barlow", chinese and russian isk farmers, a dog named harold, 300 mexicans, buying 1000 tackler frigs and a guy who does a very poor charlie chaplain impersonation. Chairman of the National Convention of Eve Armchair Generals(NCEAG). We stand up for the rights of Eve Armchair Generals everywhere.
WarGod The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 16:17:00 - [85] l0l, funny thing is i can see all the allainces in the northen area putting up all their cyno jammers for monday.. BUT ITS OK! we have an alt in place with the roles to just offline the jammer right before we cyno in. So should be fun rzr..i mean.. who ever we selected to attack On that note, never run with scissors. Wog1
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:24:00 - [86] Originally by: Ur235 Originally by: Shin Ra When attacking, just be careful they don't unleash a few t1 ruptures and destroy your alliance. when posting be sure not to make urself like a complete **** as you are now mmkay? Maybe if I had numbers in my name I would be less ******. Then again, maybe not
WarGod The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:30:00 - [87] Edited by: WarGod on 16/04/2008 17:30:34 Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: Ur235 Originally by: Shin Ra When attacking, just be careful they don't unleash a few t1 ruptures and destroy your alliance. when posting be sure not to make urself like a complete **** as you are now mmkay? Maybe if I had numbers in my name I would be less ******. Then again, maybe not Numbers you say? Wog1
Danari Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:44:00 - [88] Originally by: Flash EF we are invading Australia! John Howard is primary, all damage on John Howard.
Evil Edna Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 17:46:00 - [89] you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:03:00 - [90] Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer There is nothing funny about this game! Its serious internet spaceship business!!!

Xtreme Wrath Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.16 18:27:00 - [91] Originally by: Xthril Ranger Originally by: Artemidoros Originally by: Footmuck Fingerknuckle DREADS, DUST THEM OFF, DONT WANT PEOPLE IN CARRIERS MOTHERSHIPS FILL UP WITH FUN STUFF LIKE CAP FUEL PLEASE CARRIERS My guess is they are finally gonna do some ratting. Guristas cant jam ya if your in a mothership or in seige mode!! actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. ROFLMAO and you know this from firsthand eperience... how about the titans? I be you can DD the f_ck outta some guristas... Chuck Norris uses a live rattlesnake for a condom.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:32:00 - [92] Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer Your spelling of funnier is funnier
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:34:00 - [93] Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer Should have posted it yourself. Apparently actions on the forums are taken far more seriously then those ingame.
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:34:00 - [94] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer Your spelling of funnier is funnier Funniest thing in this thread is your face --------------------------------------
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:35:00 - [95] Originally by: XxAngelxX Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer Your spelling of funnier is funnier Funniest thing in this thread is my cooking fyp
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:36:00 - [96] Originally by: Viper **zIe Originally by: XxAngelxX Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Evil Edna you shoulda alt posted my alliance mail instead, it was funnyer Your spelling of funnier is funnier Funniest thing in this thread is my cooking fyp it's funny because it's true... angel CAN'T cook!!
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:38:00 - [97] Kery ruined it. /thread.
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:38:00 - [98] Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did?
Ralara Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:39:00 - [99] Originally by: dastommy79 is the north on fire? We didn't start the fire.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:39:00 - [100] Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did? Nice one moron

Destr0math The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:42:00 - [101] kery is the WORST
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:45:00 - [102] ITT:****gots who don't like me
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:46:00 - [103] Originally by: Kery Syander ITT:****gots who don't like me Birthday party.
Kery Syander The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 19:47:00 - [104] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did? Nice one moron PROOF MAZ SUX -----
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:03:00 - [105] Edited by: Wesley Baird on 16/04/2008 21:03:36 Clearly the best way for Tri communicate with each other is CAOD...kinda like running gangs via alliance... I heard Kery's pregnant with my love child, c/d?!
Haulers'R'Us Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:12:00 - [106] Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 16/04/2008 21:03:36 Clearly the best way for Tri communicate with each other is CAOD...kinda like running gangs via alliance... I heard Kery's pregnant with my love child, c/d?! Local > alliance for running gangs :)
Boom ChickaBoom Caldari Friendly Pod Poppers	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:13:00 - [107] it will be funny if tri takes a few goon stations just for ****s and giggles. We will get to see how a frig blob holds up against a ms blob.
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:30:00 - [108] Originally by: Wesley Baird Edited by: Wesley Baird on 16/04/2008 21:03:36 Clearly the best way for Tri communicate with each other is CAOD...kinda like running gangs via alliance... I heard Kery's pregnant with my love child, c/d?! Is it bad when I read our alliance mail in CAOD before I read it ig?
MAXSuicide Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:32:00 - [109] Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did? Nice one moron PROOF MAZ SUX possibly the best bedroom i have ever seen.. converted utility room Maz?
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:46:00 - [110] Originally by: Kery Syander PROOF MAZ SUX Where would one purchase an admission to this wonderland? Originally by: CCP Wrangler We won't laugh at you... to your face...

Jogyn Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.16 21:51:00 - [111] This is the worst thread. Someone tell me how much fuel i need to get from 2-k to f4r please.
Ravelin Eb Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 00:26:00 - [112] I wish i had lino floor, much easier to clean.
WarGod The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 01:30:00 - [113] Edited by: WarGod on 17/04/2008 01:30:50 Wog1
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.17 02:03:00 - [114] Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did? Nice one moron PROOF MAZ SUX possibly the best bedroom i have ever seen.. converted utility room Maz? Yeah pretty much... It's rather awesome being able to wake up, lean over and login to eve / IRC to smack people... although it doesn't do much for my motivation when I could potentially spend all day in bed
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 08:36:00 - [115] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: MAXSuicide Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Kery Syander Originally by: Viper **zIe Kery ruined it. /thread. I did? Nice one moron PROOF MAZ SUX possibly the best bedroom i have ever seen.. converted utility room Maz? Yeah pretty much... It's rather awesome being able to wake up, lean over and login to eve / IRC to smack people... although it doesn't do much for my motivation when I could potentially spend all day in bed Potentially, my arse.
Tarantelita Ragna Rok Corp	Posted - 2008.04.17 09:12:00 - [116] Originally by: Liang Nuren Any proof it's Razor? :) -Liang Yes. Razor = sitting duck = fun
Kinsy Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.17 10:47:00 - [117] Originally by: Volarius Originally by: Phoenicia Originally by: Zandramus Originally by: Xthril Ranger actually , the gurista can jam a mothership. NPC and player jamming works in different ways. this-but i only know cuz som1 told me.....maybe I was worried how MM found that out. I'm more worried how you did Triumvirate is blue to Guristas and they share tactical information such as this CELES is still blue to Serpentis. We'll give them a call and we can have a party Plim: I was driven to absolute idiocy by CCP Plim: Screw you Kinsy, I was already an idiot before i started playing eve.
Mr Poaster BBQ 06 Planning Committee	Posted - 2008.04.17 11:06:00 - [118] Originally by: Ralara Originally by: dastommy79 is the north on fire? We didn't start the fire. "It was that guy over there with that fiddle thing! Honest!"
MAXSuicide Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 13:44:00 - [119] Originally by: GO MaZ Yeah pretty much... It's rather awesome being able to wake up, lean over and login to eve / IRC to smack people... although it doesn't do much for my motivation when I could potentially spend all day in bed The ultimate gamer bedroom tbfh.
De'Zori D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 14:10:00 - [120] heeh spy alts seriously fall for everything nowadays :)

Schwermetall Marquie-X Corp Majesta Empire	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:17:00 - [121] Originally by: Tarantelita Originally by: Liang Nuren Any proof it's Razor? :) -Liang Yes. Razor = sitting duck = fun omg, someone in a 1-Person-Corp with no standing at all trolling the forum! Post with your main or stfu
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:50:00 - [122] ZOMG look what I found!! SEKRET PLANS!!! -- TRI RADIO IS CURRENTLY BROKEN! tune in at: http://160.tri-radio.com/ website at: http://triradio.dragonsofredemption.org/ TUNE IN! (KARBOWAIK FIX ZE SERVER!)
Karbowiak Black Water.	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:57:00 - [123] DIRECTLY FROM TRIUMVIRATES SECRET IRC CHANNEL: (17:55:39) (@Karbowiak) 100$ (17:55:42) (@Karbowiak) gogo (17:55:54) (&xiaodown) haha, i'd take the hundred bucks and just tell you it's insurgency? (17:56:01) (@Karbowiak) OH SNAP (17:56:07) (@Karbowiak) thats going on caod (17:56:13) (&xiaodown) haha Sig has been removed until all images meet the signature image guidelines. Contact [email protected] to have your sig restored when all guidelines have been met.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 15:59:00 - [124] Originally by: Karbowiak DIRECTLY FROM TRIUMVIRATES SECRET IRC CHANNEL: (17:55:39) (@Karbowiak) 100$ (17:55:42) (@Karbowiak) gogo (17:55:54) (&xiaodown) haha, i'd take the hundred bucks and just tell you it's insurgency? (17:56:01) (@Karbowiak) OH SNAP (17:56:07) (@Karbowiak) thats going on caod (17:56:13) (&xiaodown) haha In other news, that's his alt! <&xiaodown> i especially like the overdrive and nano under B and A. <&xiaodown> i thought that was a good touch. <@Karbowiak> SO <@Karbowiak> whos the target really ? <&xiaodown> really really? <@Karbowiak> i need to know so i can post it with my caod poster alt <--- EXPOSED! <&xiaodown> haha <@Karbowiak> really really <&xiaodown> i honestly don't know <@Karbowiak> ohh come on <@Karbowiak> you do <&xiaodown> i tried to weasel it out of GD last night, since he was drunk <@Karbowiak> tell me the juicy bits <&xiaodown> but appearantly not drunk enough. But, hey, like I already said. We attack razor, razor attacks insurgency, insurgency attacks us. Then in 2 weeks, we switch and go the other way =P. -- TRI RADIO IS CURRENTLY BROKEN! tune in at: http://160.tri-radio.com/ website at: http://triradio.dragonsofredemption.org/ TUNE IN! (KARBOWAIK FIX ZE SERVER!)
Gontard Minmatar E-Truth	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:03:00 - [125] It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:18:00 - [126] Originally by: Gontard It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train. Right, which is why I picked insurgency as the comedy option for Karbowiak. Now I hope it's not insurgency, or I'm probably in trouble . But, I like fights where everyone is friends when it's over, so I hope we pick someone who's looking for fun fights, and if we get that, I'm a happy grunt!
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:22:00 - [127] Originally by: Gontard It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train. Perfectly explains why Tri helped Razor&pets during BKG siege in 2007.
Ravelin Eb Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:30:00 - [128] Its BoB, move along now. _________
0August0 Gallente Gooch Unlimited	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:33:00 - [129] Originally by: Ralara We didn't start the fire. Has it always been burning, since the world's been turning? . . . Regards, August
Zandramus D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:51:00 - [130] Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Gontard It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train. Perfectly explains why Tri helped Razor&pets during BKG siege in 2007. l0l we were in all of like 2-3 rzr/mm gangs we left them to it and went and took northern deklein....would hardly call that helping,keep tryn tho o0

Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:55:00 - [131] Originally by: Ravelin Eb Its BoB, move along now. I heard its MC.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 16:58:00 - [132] Originally by: Wesley Baird Originally by: Ravelin Eb Its BoB, move along now. I heard its MC. c
Dachtor Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:37:00 - [133] A little birdie told me its razor/coalition, 99% sure. Insurgency will try to tie up coalition forces the next couple days while Tri hit their home systems. If the coalition withdrawals to protect their systems we will see 15 pages from insurgency how uber they are and they won the war and then join Tri in the attack. It will probably happen this weekend. Thing is I hear that the coalition has expected it. This is why they have committed only a token cap fleet and fighting force to the insurgency fun. Plus a few more friends will be joining the fray with Triumvirate getting involved. This one is going to get bloody fast.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 17:55:00 - [134] Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Gontard It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train. Perfectly explains why Tri helped Razor&pets during BKG siege in 2007. No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one.
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:02:00 - [135] Originally by: Dachtor This is why they have committed only a token cap fleet and fighting force to the insurgency fun. Well, I'm afraid my dear boy that they are there in full numbers. They may not be using all their caps but they've had 400-500 in the local area for the past few evenings and opened things off with everything they had numbers wise. If what you state is true, they havent got a hope in hell of kicking out INSRG, they're already struggling enough as it is with 3-1 numbers in their favour.
Aypse D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:05:00 - [136] Originally by: Xiaodown But, hey, like I already said. We attack razor, razor attacks insurgency, insurgency attacks us. Then in 2 weeks, we switch and go the other way =P. In other news, this conflict has officially been named the "Circle-Jerk War." Reducing the mechanics that reward blobbing: Eve-O Forum Link
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.17 18:56:00 - [137] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. If not that Razor wouldn't be able to do anything, as it was obvious from all the previous attempts.
Multras Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:13:00 - [138] The back burner of my hot sexy ass.
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 19:15:00 - [139] Originally by: Aypse Originally by: Xiaodown But, hey, like I already said. We attack razor, razor attacks insurgency, insurgency attacks us. Then in 2 weeks, we switch and go the other way =P. In other news, this conflict has officially been named the "Circle-Jerk War." I support this product and or service.
Alte Schabracke University of Caille	Posted - 2008.04.17 20:33:00 - [140] Originally by: Mr Trouble They may not be using all their caps but they've had 400-500 in the local area for the past few evenings and opened things off with everything they had numbers wise. I heard you could strip mine a entire system with these numbers real fast

Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.17 20:55:00 - [141] Originally by: Gontard It's not Insurgency, Tri has a habit in avoiding targets (except from 1 night giggles ops) that already have to much on their plate already. Maybe they don't like to be the xx wagon in the train. Remember kids. In man train its best to be the last wagon. o/
Arthin Mutin Not an alt just dont have a corp	Posted - 2008.04.17 21:02:00 - [142] Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. If not that Razor wouldn't be able to do anything, as it was obvious from all the previous attempts. Or could it of been the fact that FS were part of a coalition that was making threats to triumvirates first super cap in buil and owned half of deklein witch Tri wanted to hold? No it was probably the fact they lubz razor.
Skoot Gallente Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 02:45:00 - [143] Originally by: Dachtor If the coalition withdrawals to protect their systems we will see 15 pages from insurgency how uber they are and they won the war and then join Tri in the attack. this made me lol
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:22:00 - [144] Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. Fallen Souls allied with Aftermath and attacked us in YA0 and VFK after we'd kicked VI in the teeth and they'd surrendered to us. Fallen Souls loosing a load of capships was their own fault.
Mostly Amazing Gallente Mostly Amazing Corp	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:46:00 - [145] Their target is going to be CVA. Two out of three.
Maximoff Gallente Mercenary Coalition Holding Corp Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:06:00 - [146] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. Fallen Souls allied with Aftermath and attacked us in YA0 and VFK after we'd kicked VI in the teeth and they'd surrendered to us. Fallen Souls loosing a load of capships was their own fault. Most funny things of this is, the author (the fc) of fs fault is now member of triumvirate whit his corporation (general dinasty ) and after he volountary kamikaze fs capital fleet, he join tri and give to tri all fs pos on YAO/VFK. (10+ if i remember correctly) after this Mitch taylor executor of fs resign his position and nominate Krall Amarr as executor, and join bob, dismantle his own corp (some follow mitch on bob, others follow general dinasty on tri) ps: razor alone was unable to do anything , include assault cow (500 member alliance whit sov lev 1 on theyr system) if razor& co win is becouse they goth triumvirate attack from other side fs, and when new north lose 2k man alliance, they lose manpower for hold the rapetrain of 15+ alliances. and yes i am krall
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:34:00 - [147] Originally by: Maximoff ps: razor alone was unable to do anything , include assault cow (500 member alliance whit sov lev 1 on theyr system) if razor& co win is becouse they goth triumvirate attack from other side fs, and when new north lose 2k man alliance, they lose manpower for hold the rapetrain of 15+ alliances. Absolute rubbish! RZR have displayed high levels of autonomy and bravery only recently, in attacking INSRG alone and with no help from Morsus Mihi, Mostly Harmless, Pure, Hydra, Majesta Empire, Stella Polar and Circle of Two. And don't forget they took Querious alone, without any help from numerous other alliances. No-one can accuse RAZOR of relying on a pathetic napblob to get anything done.
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:17:00 - [148] Sorry, it seems I was wrong in my somewhat sarcastic reply. Unable to beat INSRG with 3-1 or even 4-1 numbers in their favour, RZR have now resorted to that most noble and brave of PvP activities in an attempt to take the 4DT outpost (still Sov 1 for INSRG) - The Pos Spam. Naptrain, Pos Spam... all thats left is for them to try jumping 800 into a system to crash the node. oh wait
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:36:00 - [149] Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 12:38:22 Originally by: Mr Trouble Sorry, it seems I was wrong in my somewhat sarcastic reply. Unable to beat INSRG with 3-1 or even 4-1 numbers in their favour, RZR have now resorted to that most noble and brave of PvP activities in an attempt to take the 4DT outpost (still Sov 1 for INSRG) - The Pos Spam. Naptrain, Pos Spam... all thats left is for them to try jumping 800 into a system to crash the node. oh wait Were you born that stupid or did it come to you with age, and am guessing all 12 years of it?
KeyuserII Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:49:00 - [150] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 12:36:42 Originally by: Mr Trouble Sorry, it seems I was wrong in my somewhat sarcastic reply. Unable to beat INSRG with 3-1 or even 4-1 numbers in their favour, RZR have now resorted to that most noble and brave of PvP activities in an attempt to take the 4DT outpost (still Sov 1 for INSRG) - The Pos Spam. Naptrain, Pos Spam... all thats left is for them to try jumping 800 into a system to crash the node. oh wait Were you born that stupid or did it come to you ]with age, and am guessing all 12 years of it? If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some shyt invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite?

Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:58:00 - [151] Originally by: KeyuserII If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some shyt invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite? Quoted for truth. Too bad it won't make into posterity
KeyuserII Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:10:00 - [152] At least you can't refute that CEI puppet, like to see someone spin it but you just can't.Let me hold your hand tear.
Zeveron Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:15:00 - [153] How dare you ppl speak like that about RZR? The leader of that great alliance announced once that they gona stay and fight as long as it takes to kill BoB. That great alliance announced, 1 week ago, that they nearly killed BoB and GBC, they filled all their objectives and leaving delve and BoB alone. How dare you ppl speaking like that for that great alliance?
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:16:00 - [154] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 12:38:22 Originally by: Mr Trouble Sorry, it seems I was wrong in my somewhat sarcastic reply. Unable to beat INSRG with 3-1 or even 4-1 numbers in their favour, RZR have now resorted to that most noble and brave of PvP activities in an attempt to take the 4DT outpost (still Sov 1 for INSRG) - The Pos Spam. Naptrain, Pos Spam... all thats left is for them to try jumping 800 into a system to crash the node. oh wait Were you born that stupid or did it come to you with age, and am guessing all 12 years of it? What an intelligent and devastating retort. Truly my critisism of RZR's 'tactics' is now proven beyond doubt to be worthless and without substance. Well done.
Crax McGee Quam Singulari Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:24:00 - [155] if its insurge i wont be logging on, infact ill sell my account.. better be BRUCE or MM...
Wesley Baird D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:25:00 - [156] I for one am ready to bow down to our new Razor overlords.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:44:00 - [157] Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 13:56:50 Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 13:52:29 Originally by: KeyuserII Edited by: KeyuserII on 18/04/2008 12:57:00 If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. You sure about that? And am dont saying RzR are strong, they have yet to prove themselves. Just saying that Mr troubles troll about RzR tactics is stupid. You try the mega blob, it doenst work do you go for other targets. Next step is other systems. Placing POS's is a tried and tested way to take systems used by BoB, Goons, MC hell every alliace that whats to take space. thats why i was calling him stupid, oh and the fact he still thinks jumping 600 into a cyno jammed system already camped with 250 + 30 carriers is an advantage. I very much dout hes ever tried any kind of warfare beyond ganking some nubs in lowsec. Also on a side not, insurg have yet to prove themselves. Kicking out a few small alliances 1/5 their size does not count. If they last out againt MM & co. for a while then yes. But up until that point they havent done anything note worthy.
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:51:00 - [158] Originally by: KeyuserII If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some sheit invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite? hello Aneu :) i figured with your top quality "spy" network you would be more informed but it would appear you are just as misinformed as ever.
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:03:00 - [159] Originally by: raspuiain Also on a side not, insurg have yet to prove themselves. Kicking out a few small alliances 1/5 their size does not count. If they last out againt MM & co. for a while then yes. But up until that point they havent done anything note worthy. epic lulz right here, ladies and gentleman INSRG fought a coaltion of alliances three times their size, one of whom was the same size as them at the time (Rare Faction). They were constantly outnumbered and often fought 100 v 200. They took a whole constellation simply by placing one large POS in the entrance point, and destroying all other POS in the constellation and decimating anything which attempted to take their POS. They did that alone, with no outside help, and even RZR/MM recognised their achievements. Comparing RZR to INSRG is pure, unadulterated comedy, the two entities could not be more different in style and approach. Everyone knows that, even RZR, but carry on your delusional rants if you must.
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:06:00 - [160] i do see delusional ranting but most of it is coming from the above poster. please do us a favor and stop the chest beating.

raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:07:00 - [161] I didnt compare RZR with insurgency, insur are twice the size of RzR. I just said they hadnt done anything noteworth and lol at Rare faction :D ASCN was a big alliance.. alot of it did them
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:09:00 - [162] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. Fallen Souls allied with Aftermath and attacked us in YA0 and VFK after we'd kicked VI in the teeth and they'd surrendered to us. Fallen Souls loosing a load of capships was their own fault. Woah, that's something new. You have a good imagination, haven't you? FS wouldn't attack Tri at those times even if they wanted, as their hands were tied in the BKG. There was an attack in Deklein as an attempt of counter attack on your pet alliance (I don't even recall it's name), but that one wasn't even half serious and of course FS weren't the aggressors. Do not spin the facts, mkay?
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:12:00 - [163] Originally by: Arthin Mutin Or could it of been the fact that FS were part of a coalition that was making threats to triumvirates first super cap in buil and owned half of deklein witch Tri wanted to hold? No it was probably the fact they lubz razor. Oh c'mon... If Tri wanted that part of Deklein they would attack FS straight after the Sparta Alliance disband and not weeks and months later.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:18:00 - [164] Originally by: Wesley Baird I for one am ready to bow down to our new Razor overlords. New? That actually made me giggle.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:20:00 - [165] Originally by: Mr Trouble epic lulz right here, ladies and gentleman INSRG fought a coaltion of alliances three times their size, one of whom was the same size as them at the time (Rare Faction). They were constantly outnumbered and often fought 100 v 200. The lulz part lies on russians forums where Stella Polar (a ruskies alliance - pets of razor) were constantly moaning and whining about how big bad Insurgency were blobbing on poor them...
Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:30:00 - [166] Originally by: raspuiain Edited by: raspuiain on 18/04/2008 14:20:44 I didnt compare RZR with insurgency, insur are twice the size of RzR. I just said they hadnt done anything noteworth and lol at Rare faction :D ASCN was a big alliance.. alot of good it did them This fight is the first real one Insurg have faced with anything there own skill level. And tbh its the same for RzR. Yes they had there arse handed to them, but look who against. MC&co. in their hayday before Cynojammers and BoB, who managed to beat back the largest "group" ever seen. But it seems you want to just attack RzR and wave your insurg flag, so go ahead. Okay, so fighting a coaltion of alliances numbering 5,000 people when they were 1,200 strong, alone, and winning, is clearly 'nothing' according to you. Okay. And apparently the Naptrain Blob of over 10,000 is a 'real fight'. Its not a fight, its a gangbang, the naptrain can't even fit all its pilots in one system without breaking the game. Frankly most would have cascade failed in the face of it already, the fact INSRG are holding their own at the moment, and inflicting very high losses, says quite a bit. Name one other alliance who have conquered good 0.0 space recently alone, without the help of multiple allies, and whilst heavily outnumbered. I can only think of at most two - INSRG and TRI (though TRI were not outnumbered V's YouWhat but they still did it alone). Everyone else is just a Naptrain monkey as far as I can see.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:46:00 - [167] We took Tenal and we've held it for two years now. That's as stable as Tenal has ever been. In addition to that we've added considerable infrastructure to it and through guns and diplomacy we've built RZR into what it is. We lost all our space but stuck together and retook it. We're a small alliance built on our relationships and inside we mostly have a feeling of whatever happens we'll do it together. And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:47:00 - [168] stop being fricking muppets FFS. we like RZR and IRON and we always have even though we are shooting now. the only ones ive started to dislike personally is morsus mihi with their demanding this and demanding that attitude. time will tell what will happen and in the mean time ppl will have fun looking at nice sploshuns.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.18 14:52:00 - [169] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Fred0 is as always good at excuses.
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:08:00 - [170] Originally by: KeyuserII but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) Look how stupid you are.

Mr Trouble Love Poast Hate War	Posted - 2008.04.18 15:11:00 - [171] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( epic lulz once again How exactly did they do that? By asking you politely to remove your deathstar from their outpost system? You know it, I know it, everyone knows it - INSRG never intended to attack you, they told you that and you knew it to be the case. So cut the dreadful excuses about why you failed against BoB because no-one is going to believe that, not even you.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:00:00 - [172] Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) Even if insurg hadnt convo'ed asking for the removal of Moon POS's, BKG ect and RZR had sayed in Q, after QY6 I dout it wouldnt have made much of a diffrence. Tbh I wouldnt be supprised if you took the insurg problem as an excuse to pull of out a meatgrinder war. But we will never really know the intentions of either side only guess at the reasons :D But as they say thats history and the north is once again at war.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:04:00 - [173] Originally by: Mr Trouble epic lulz once again How exactly did they do that? By asking you politely to remove your deathstar from their outpost system? A POS thatI belive was there before insurg took the space from RzR friends while they were fighting BoB down south. And again from what I heard it was less of a request more of an ultimatum.
Catherine Sukata	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:28:00 - [174] Alt poasting: Hey look ma, I'm in a Anue and Djnme thread
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:53:00 - [175] Come on guys, this is a tri thread; there's no reason to chat about Insurgency's fight in the north. Unless Tri is involving themselves somehow... ? -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:01:00 - [176] Originally by: Liang Nuren Come on guys, this is a tri thread; there's no reason to chat about Insurgency's fight in the north. Unless Tri is involving themselves somehow... ? -Liang RzR is in the topic, so I think we are ok :P
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:52:00 - [177] I was scouring the news articles, and I found out for sure what Tri is doing: Quote: BREAKING NEWS FROM TNR Tensions are ratcheting in TNR between the Guristas pirates and the Rogue Drones. The Drone Hives were recently aggressed by the Guristas during a routine "booty op". Initial reports indicate that rum had been flowing freely through the Guristas ships. With spirits high, the Guristas allegedly beset by a Rule of Three Raven class battleship, and were taking heavy damage. However, the Rule of Three raven was no match for the Guristas Obliterators, and was prevented from escaping due to a Dire Guristas frigate. As the Guristas closed in on the wreck for some booty, Rogue Squadron (a small faction of drone frigates) turned up and ran away with the loot. The local com net was filled with "Brrzztt Bzzzttt Zooot Soot!", which can be roughly translated from Drone-ese into: "Kill him. Kill him. Kill them both, and then we take the Precious and we be the master". Naturally, a pirate organization the size of the Guristas would not take this laying down. They've been known to be calling in favors from Triumvirate and VETO in an effort to "purge" the Drone regions of drones. Secret spies in also allude to the Guristas wanting to subjugate the Drones into a renewable source of minerals for mass Titan production. Could the Caldari empire withstand a Guristas force equiped with so many titans? Concord representative Eva Earlong is on the record as stating, "Jazz Jackrabbit will lead us in multiplying our forces here at Concord." Oddly enough, she didn't mention anything about Concord actually defending the Caldari from their Guristas pirates. Perhaps there's a conspiracy afoot, find out more at 9! -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:23:00 - [178] Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:33:00 - [179] Originally by: Fred0 You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. Maybe you guys should just go back down south and move your space there? Heck, Billy Bob, maybe you guys can start a new NAPTrain down there, and stop being the caboose of this one, eh? :) -Liang -- Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:12:00 - [180] Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;)

Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.04.18 22:40:00 - [181] Edited by: Onionico on 18/04/2008 22:40:35 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: Fred0 You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. Maybe you guys should just go back down south and move your space there? Heck, Billy Bob, maybe you guys can start a new NAPTrain down there, and stop being the caboose of this one, eh? :) -Liang Don't know who you are, but you sure do post a lot. For someone that DOES post a lot, you really need to stop signing your posts. We see who you are. Stop it, it's making you look nubbish. <------ You Edit - DPB
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.18 23:45:00 - [182] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;) Yes, because it's completely unreasonable to ask you to remove your POSes from space that we fought for and earned. Farham: "Remember, sometimes evolution ends in extinction."
Drachenlord Amarr Port Royal Independent Kontractors Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.18 23:52:00 - [183] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;) ahhhh... Fred0... selective memory much? What does Friendship mean to RZR? Well... as I remember it, it means hiding Promethium and Dysprosium moons to your "friends" that controlled the space around said moons in Branch to service your own selfish "needs" It also involves making agreements under the table and agreeing not to intervene in any hostile actions against your Allies and friends that live in Branch... when ATF and INSRG decided to attack them... Anyone flying with RAZOR should be made aware of these facts. ----- While the Enemies of the Emperor still draw breath there can be no peace
FredFred Burger Caldari Council of Human Urban Meatshield Paratroopers	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:21:00 - [184] Originally by: Katherine Marx Originally by: KeyuserII If you have facts that prove him wrong, please do not hesitate to bring them forth. The chances are you do not, Razor has had their hand held through anything they have done. Querious they even had help and fix was not even there to fight. I mean even M.M. an alliance essentially put in place by Razor has out grown,built and played them. If anything Razor might be bit stronger with pos defences, but they don't even have a titan (in progess atm) and one or two MS. So because of the MC spanking they will have better defended pos's, but lets not be fooled. They are weak and will break in week of being hit hard. That is Razor as a whole and always has been. Right now Razor's second strongest corp(oldest 2nd to) Do not speak english as much as they do greek. Razor hit hard for a week or two and you will be able to see them for what they are. CEI will stand somewhat strong, but ernest,disco will allienate everyone and fredo will try to damage control. History repeats itself.If they are hit hard and M.M. sit by (like they love to do)Razor will implode trying to damage control and then try to regroup if given any breathing room(any decent attacking alliance do not allow that). How is Q space going for them? They have some sheit invested there. I'm guessing like most of their space hit with anything. It's falling like Ernest flying a MS using disco's account...amirite? hello Aneu :) i figured with your top quality "spy" network you would be more informed but it would appear you are just as misinformed as ever. Hi Ernest :) Still blobbing in failure then blaming the grunts because they listened to you?
Gallager Caldari GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.04.19 00:43:00 - [185] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have.
cheephough	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:01:00 - [186] Originally by: Gallager Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have. /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap.
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:21:00 - [187] Originally by: cheephough Originally by: Gallager Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have. /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap. Look at dat fuggen quote wall.
Onionico Series of Tubes	Posted - 2008.04.19 02:10:00 - [188] Originally by: Onionico Originally by: cheephough Originally by: Gallager Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: raspuiain Originally by: Fred0 And yes, against BOB we failed because INSRG dragged us home. Abandoning delve sucked alot because if there's something we never ever want to do, it's abandon friends. :( Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have. /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap. Look at dat fuggen quote wall. QFT
Katherine Marx Muff Diving	Posted - 2008.04.19 02:18:00 - [189] Originally by: Drachenlord Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;) ahhhh... Fred0... selective memory much? What does Friendship mean to RZR? Well... as I remember it, it means hiding Promethium and Dysprosium moons to your "friends" that controlled the space around said moons in Branch to service your own selfish "needs" It also involves making agreements under the table and agreeing not to intervene in any hostile actions against your Allies and friends that live in Branch... when ATF and INSRG decided to attack them... Anyone flying with RAZOR should be made aware of these facts. ahhh. Drachenlord.... selective memory much? you forgot that RZR and MM took Branch to begin with. I think they can delegate whatever they want because they "earned" it in the first place.
Melpheus Rax Disco Biscuits	Posted - 2008.04.19 02:32:00 - [190] Too much talk and no action. You guys have one fight and then talk about it for a month and then renegotiate your napfest.

Miss Lucifer Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 03:03:00 - [191] Originally by: cheephough /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap blah blah Well Im terribly sad to see Galaxian out of our leadership cacophony of bullcrap too blah blah. Without Galaxian we have no corp consistantly terrible enough to come 2nd place behind Guristas Pirates on our killboard blah blah --------------- Shake it baby!
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 03:11:00 - [192] Originally by: Miss Lucifer Originally by: cheephough /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap blah blah Well Im terribly sad to see Galaxian out of our leadership cacophony of bullcrap too blah blah. Without Galaxian we have no corp consistantly terrible enough to come 2nd place behind Guristas Pirates on our killboard blah blah Wait, GALAXIAN was actually in razor???? apart of 3 people I never saw the rest of the fail corp who stayed up in the north carebearing the entire southern war. I like Sir James he a nice guy, but the rest of his leadership are a bunch of loonies who will do anything to make it seems like razor are the bad guys.
Gallager Caldari GALAXIAN	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:09:00 - [193] Edited by: Gallager on 19/04/2008 04:09:43 Originally by: MrRx7 Originally by: Miss Lucifer Originally by: cheephough /signed as truth. Glad we're out of that leadership cacophony of bullcrap blah blah Well Im terribly sad to see Galaxian out of our leadership cacophony of bullcrap too blah blah. Without Galaxian we have no corp consistantly terrible enough to come 2nd place behind Guristas Pirates on our killboard blah blah Wait, GALAXIAN was actually in razor???? apart of 3 people I never saw the rest of the fail corp who stayed up in the north carebearing the entire southern war. I like Sir James he a nice guy, but the rest of his leadership are a bunch of loonies who will do anything to make it seems like razor are the bad guys. What was that massive number of dreads that CEI deployed during southern ops? Perhaps 8 if you were lucky....Even in your own space the entire alliance was only able to muster 9 dreads.
MrRx7 Amarr Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:19:00 - [194] Originally by: Gallager Edited by: Gallager on 19/04/2008 04:09:43 What was that massive number of dreads that CEI deployed during southern ops? Perhaps 8 if you were lucky....Even in your own space the entire alliance was only able to muster 9 dreads. CEI as a corp prob did around 8, but its not like any of your dreads bothered to show up. as far as the entire alliance, I guess you missed the multiple 45+ man rzr only capitals ops...oh right...
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:23:00 - [195] Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Originally by: Mr McDee Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr No. 'Capships onagate' explains that one. Attack on FS was also 'capships onagate'? You can deny it as much as you want, but in fact Tri was payed by Razor. Fallen Souls allied with Aftermath and attacked us in YA0 and VFK after we'd kicked VI in the teeth and they'd surrendered to us. Fallen Souls loosing a load of capships was their own fault. Woah, that's something new. You have a good imagination, haven't you? FS wouldn't attack Tri at those times even if they wanted, as their hands were tied in the BKG. There was an attack in Deklein as an attempt of counter attack on your pet alliance (I don't even recall it's name), but that one wasn't even half serious and of course FS weren't the aggressors. Do not spin the facts, mkay? Don't spin the facts? I was there you moron. The timeline you have in that little head of yours is broken. Fallen Souls were living in the South (Esoteria/Paragon Soul?) of Eve before their war with us. They moved north and into JU/VFK with Aftermath with the sole intention to declaring war on us. Secordly, Fallen Souls had no hand in BKG until AFTER they'd got kicked out of VFK and JU. They wern't in BKG till they'd sat in P2 for a month and AFTER they'd inherited Sparta's stations in the top of Deklein AFTER Sparta colapsed under the weight of their own paranoia. Thirdly, we didn't even have any pet alliances during that entire period. We had two very small allies who lived in Venal. At the time of attacking YA0 and VFK Tri was <750 pilots IIRC. You're really picking the wrong person to argue Tri history with. But keep going by all means, i can do this all day.
Centauris Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:24:00 - [196] Galax makes me lol in every possible way
Ackaroth D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 04:53:00 - [197] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Don't spin the facts? I was there you moron. The timeline you have in that little head of yours is broken. Fallen Souls were living in the South (Esoteria/Paragon Soul?) of Eve before their war with us. They moved north and into JU/VFK with Aftermath with the sole intention to declaring war on us. How exactly do you surmise that they wern't the aggressor when the attacked us. Secordly, Fallen Souls had no hand in BKG until AFTER they'd got kicked out of VFK and JU. They wern't in BKG till they'd sat in P2 for a month and AFTER they'd inherited Sparta's stations in the top of Deklein AFTER Sparta colapsed under the weight of their own paranoia. Thirdly, we didn't even have any pet alliances during that entire period. We had two very small allies who lived in Venal. At the time of attacking YA0 and VFK Tri was <750 pilots IIRC. You're really picking the wrong person to argue Tri history with. But keep going by all means, i can do this all day. Quoting for truth. I joined right when TRI was in YAO/VFK and fighting AA in JU. Which is funny because there wasnt much fighting, it was 2 opposite timezones. Me, being US tz, one of the few at the time in TRI, I would go poke around in JU and surrounding and lost my first and only Arazu to date to a gatecamp coming back from SD- (or whatever that deadend next to JU is called). They had 2 carriers, multiple inties, and support, all on the ingate, setup because me and a non-alliance friend were poking around. We were an arazu and a crusader (with an AB fitted, I laughed and then *****ed him out for being a noob). Sorry got off topic. Then FS joined in, making that big CAOD post calling us Northern Monkeys, if you dont remember. Their attack lasted about a week, petered out rather quickly with Mitch leaving shortly thereafter with dark rising, IIRC. ___________________ Add total value of open buy and sell orders to "Orders" tab of wallet. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=626498
Viper ShizzIe Habitual Euthanasia	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:00:00 - [198] Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Don't spin the facts? I was there you moron. The timeline you have in that little head of yours is broken. Fallen Souls were living in the South (Esoteria/Paragon Soul?) of Eve before their war with us. They moved north and into JU/VFK with Aftermath with the sole intention to declaring war on us. How exactly do you surmise that they wern't the aggressor when the attacked us. Secordly, Fallen Souls had no hand in BKG until AFTER they'd got kicked out of VFK and JU. They wern't in BKG till they'd sat in P2 for a month and AFTER they'd inherited Sparta's stations in the top of Deklein AFTER Sparta colapsed under the weight of their own paranoia. Thirdly, we didn't even have any pet alliances during that entire period. We had two very small allies who lived in Venal. At the time of attacking YA0 and VFK Tri was <750 pilots IIRC. You're really picking the wrong person to argue Tri history with. But keep going by all means, i can do this all day. This, pretty much.
Kyguard Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:06:00 - [199] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Liang Nuren ATF are nice guys. Shame on you for shooting them for no reason. In our world friends don't ask you to give up stuff for no gain. ATF did that to us. INSRG did that to us. I asked repeatedly to both those entities what's in this deal for us. Why should we give up this and what do we get in return. All they offered were a promise to let us keep other stuff we already owned, in INSRG's case iirc we would be allowed to keep BKG. This is fundamentally different to what we label as friendship, anyone who wants to fly with INSRG and ATF better remember that ;) Friends move their **** out of friends' backyards. -
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 06:44:00 - [200] Edited by: Fred0 on 19/04/2008 06:46:08 Edited by: Fred0 on 19/04/2008 06:45:37 Originally by: Gallager Originally by: Fred0 Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have. Umm, what? Your post and mine go perfectly together mate. Saying we'll fight back if they come after us is not being agressive in the sense I said it. Convo'ing and requesting us take down towers is. I'd never do the first against any of our friends but if RAWR/MH or whoever started asking us to comply to completely one sided demands we would fight them. Ofcourse they never would but anyway you see my point I hope. EDIT: Dunno how to repair this post --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"

Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:27:00 - [201] Originally by: Fred0 Edited by: Fred0 on 19/04/2008 06:46:08 Edited by: Fred0 on 19/04/2008 06:45:37 Originally by: Gallager Originally by: Fred0 Lol fredo, Although I do belive Insurg wanted to remove RzR pos's and take Branch, Pulling out to strike wasnt the reason for failing against bob :) You're probably right. But we're stubborn enough to not have left unless this INSRG thing had happened. We pulled back 2 weeks earlier aswell for 5 days when ATF convo'd and asked for our Branch moons. At that time we just went home, kept INSRG blue, and shot ATF some to show them we meant business about not giving up our moons. RZR are honestly not an agressive entity but we will defend ourselves with full force and use our allies to win wars if we have to. We play fair and we respect most alliances in EVE... You make the impossible possible, Fred0. I didn't think there was anymore RZR-poo to go around and then I read this. On the RZR leadership boards long ago there were posts regarding the relationships between RZR and these alliances (ATF and INSRG). It was stated in these posts that you would let the hostilities in Branch go on as long as no RZR assets were attacked. You knew then that there was going to be a fight between RZR and both of those alliances, but you wanted to do it on your terms as your interests in the south were of more importance at the time. You knew if you waited long enough, both of these alliances would give you a reason to justify a blob attack on them. I don't blame you for any of that as I think that is valid reasoning and a pretty damn good plan. The problem I do have is that you come on CAOD and act completely innocent as if you never would have considered aggressing these "friendly" alliances. Remove the pipe and take deep, deep breaths. The stuff you are smoking has seriously degenerated the little bit of brains you used to have. Umm, what? Your post and mine go perfectly together mate. Saying we'll fight back if they come after us is not being agressive in the sense I said it. Convo'ing and requesting us take down towers is. I'd never do the first against any of our friends but if RAWR/MH or whoever started asking us to comply to completely one sided demands we would fight them. Ofcourse they never would but anyway you see my point I hope. EDIT: Dunno how to repair this post calling and asking the buddy to remove their rusty old dodge off your lawn isnt ok then?
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:44:00 - [202] Originally by: Malken calling and asking the buddy to remove their rusty old dodge off your lawn isnt ok then? Bad analogy. It's not a rusty old dodge, it's a moneymaker and the only reason you want us to remove it is so that you can earn dough there instead of us. One sided deal where you gain something and we nothing. Shows us what kind of friends you are. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
EVIL SYNNs Minmatar Shadows of the Dead Vae Victis.	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:46:00 - [203] The Tri guys are right, I remember the FS BS squad coming up North to sort us out (TRI at the time). It didn't go very well for them and they moved straight in to NPC space and, if I remember correct, Mitch then said he had real life issues and does what every person who has these RL issues joined BoB. [/url]
Malken Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:06:00 - [204] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Malken calling and asking the buddy to remove their rusty old dodge off your lawn isnt ok then? Bad analogy. It's not a rusty old dodge, it's a moneymaker and the only reason you want us to remove it is so that you can earn dough there instead of us. One sided deal where you gain something and we nothing. Shows us what kind of friends you are. so its ok for you to keep that rusty old dodge on his lawn since you make money from it?, dont you have your own lawn to **** on so to speak? kinda shows us what kind of friends you were to use your own analogy.
Lilan Kahn Amarr The Littlest Hobos Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:11:00 - [205] Originally by: Malken Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Malken calling and asking the buddy to remove their rusty old dodge off your lawn isnt ok then? Bad analogy. It's not a rusty old dodge, it's a moneymaker and the only reason you want us to remove it is so that you can earn dough there instead of us. One sided deal where you gain something and we nothing. Shows us what kind of friends you are. so its ok for you to keep that rusty old dodge on his lawn since you make money from it?, dont you have your own lawn to **** on so to speak? kinda shows us what kind of friends you were to use your own analogy. So fred0 what woud you have asked us to do if i felt like deploying 2 full large deathstars in bkg with 2 moon miners on? exactly what we asked you too
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:26:00 - [206] I cannot even understand why razor feel the need to bring any excuses. The true reasons are as always way more simple: they felt it dangerous to have growing powerblock at their own doors and when their pets were kicked from the branch and it started to smell like something burning, they decided it's time to remove the danger while it's not too late. Every alliance that is smart enough would do the same.
Guardian Angell Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:39:00 - [207] Originally by: Mr McDee Every alliance that is smart enough would do the same. Smart is a very subjective word, not to be used with ease. ____________________________ Chance favors the prepared mind.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:44:00 - [208] Originally by: Lilan Kahn So fred0 what woud you have asked us to do if i felt like deploying 2 full large deathstars in bkg with 2 moon miners on? What's in it for us?
Mr Trouble Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:55:00 - [209] Well, whats in it for them appears to be absolutely spanking you into next week in set piece engagements despite your overwhemling numbers advantage. There have been two large/significant engagements. Z-K = 700 v 250, end result of 550 RZR & Co dead and INSRG using freighters to haul loot EQI = Even numbers, another massive victory for INSRG with 19 RZR & Co capitals dead including 17 dreads Having lost 80bn ISK work of ships so far, one does have to ask if the coaltion couldn't have just said 'hmmm, maybe that one dysprosium moon isnt so important after all'. Be interesting to see how RZR dig themselves out of this hole...
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:05:00 - [210] Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 11:05:51 Originally by: Mr Trouble Well, whats in it for them appears to be absolutely spanking you into next week in set piece engagements despite your overwhemling numbers advantage. There have been two large/significant engagements. Z-K = 700 v 250, end result of 550 RZR & Co dead and INSRG using freighters to haul loot EQI = Even numbers, another massive victory for INSRG with 19 RZR & Co capitals dead including 17 dreads Having lost 80bn ISK work of ships so far, one does have to ask if the coaltion couldn't have just said 'hmmm, maybe that one dysprosium moon isnt so important after all'. Be interesting to see how RZR dig themselves out of this hole... Its because the leaders of RAZOR benefit from the moons not the actual members, so the RAZOR leaders are quite willing to lose 80 billion of their members isk in ships and modules to gain the long term (virtually individual) income a moon gives them. Are you new to eve and how the large alliance leaders work their members?.

Dashboard Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:12:00 - [211] Originally by: stinger7 Its because the leaders of RAZOR benefit from the moons not the actual members, so the RAZOR leaders are quite willing to lose 80 billion of their members isk in ships and modules to gain the long term (virtually individual) income a moon gives them. RAZOR reimburses cap losses stemming from alliance ops. Lots of nubs in this thread underestimating how rzr operates internally, and how high morale is. And how rich the razor holdering company is. Insrg is sounding rather like Persh, just before the fall. disclaimer: I'm ex-rzr.
Spike Spiegle Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:15:00 - [212] Originally by: Lilan Kahn So fred0 what woud you have asked us to do if i felt like deploying 2 full large deathstars in bkg with 2 moon miners on? exactly what we asked you too We had POS on moons in Branch becuase WE removed the hostile pos from them at the time. you remove hostiles (to you) and then ask friendlies for their moons? that seems pretty unfriendly. Its not like we came and removed ur POS and took the moons from you. Infact I doubt there was even an Insurgency member within 25 jumps when we took those moons
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:16:00 - [213] Originally by: Dashboard Originally by: stinger7 Its because the leaders of RAZOR benefit from the moons not the actual members, so the RAZOR leaders are quite willing to lose 80 billion of their members isk in ships and modules to gain the long term (virtually individual) income a moon gives them. RAZOR reimburses cap losses stemming from alliance ops. Lots of nubs in this thread underestimating how rzr operates internally, and how high morale is. And how rich the razor holding company is. Insrg is sounding rather like Persh, just before the fall. disclaimer: I'm ex-rzr. A lot of large alliances replace capital losses from alliance ops bud but at around 200 mil per t2 sniper its a costly war for the non capital pilot who gets nothing.
Nina Roncheli	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:19:00 - [214] I would not like to be in RAZOR possition if TRI will attack them No offnce, but i bet on TRI 100% , but no one knows who will they attack :/
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:25:00 - [215] Originally by: Lilan Kahn So fred0 what woud you have asked us to do if i felt like deploying 2 full large deathstars in bkg with 2 moon miners on? exactly what we asked you too No. If you had been in BKG before us. Invited us over and we had taken over BKG from your friends we certainly wouldn't ask you to remove your pos for nothing if we still wanted to keep you as a friend.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:32:00 - [216] Originally by: stinger7 A lot of large alliances replace capital losses from alliance ops bud but at around 200 mil per t2 sniper its a costly war for the non capital pilot who gets nothing. t2 sniper is way way less ISK nowadays. Especially if platinum insured. Also I highly doubt this war has anything to do with how many billions lost by either side. K/d also means close to nothing. POS's that claim sov is only what really matter. Without titans Insurgency won't be able to win this war no matter how good their k/d is. P.S. Just to clarify: I personally support Insurgency in this war.
Dashboard Hard Rock Cafe	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:33:00 - [217] Originally by: stinger7 A lot of large alliances replace capital losses from alliance ops bud but at around 200 mil per t2 sniper its a costly war for the non capital pilot who gets nothing. IIRC several rzr corps - my former included - provided bs packs for free. seriously, you people should stop flinging uninformed **** at what is a pretty coherent and positively run alliance, and get down to wondering how to crush it. hint: even MC failed at that, even though they did succeed at evicting Tenal.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:36:00 - [218] Originally by: Dashboard Originally by: stinger7 A lot of large alliances replace capital losses from alliance ops bud but at around 200 mil per t2 sniper its a costly war for the non capital pilot who gets nothing. IIRC several rzr corps - my former included - provided bs packs for free. seriously, you people should stop flinging uninformed **** at what is a pretty coherent and positively run alliance, and get down to wondering how to crush it. hint: even MC failed at that, even though they did succeed at evicting Tenal. MC didn't fail, because their objective wasn't "to crush razor", cough.
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:46:00 - [219] Originally by: Dashboard Originally by: stinger7 A lot of large alliances replace capital losses from alliance ops bud but at around 200 mil per t2 sniper its a costly war for the non capital pilot who gets nothing. IIRC several rzr corps - my former included - provided bs packs for free. seriously, you people should stop flinging uninformed **** at what is a pretty coherent and positively run alliance, and get down to wondering how to crush it. hint: even MC failed at that, even though they did succeed at evicting Tenal. The only reason RAZOR survived is because they ran away and hid until MC had gone and then napped up a uber blob to take back systems. I was talking broadly as to the moon issue btw although this war and razor are a fine example tbh as they have always been a nap/blob carebear alliance, its why they have lost so many battles but are still around (they always have somebody to run too and hide behind).
NokNok D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:46:00 - [220] Let's add to the tinfoil a bit. Yesterday Tri reinforced 4 moonmining POS. 2 were owned by Insurgency, 2 were owned by MM ;)

Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:47:00 - [221] Originally by: Mr McDee MC didn't fail, because their objective wasn't "to crush razor", cough. But, looking from another point of vue, how could a fighting force could be hired for such an objective? Alliances only break from the inside. I joined RZR about a year ago. Since that, our morale has been generally good. So, the objective of MC was to neutralize us. Did they succeed? Only for 1 or 2 months. After that we were back in Querios. So, did they crush us? Partially. Did they fail? Yes and no.
Ur235 MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.19 11:58:00 - [222] Originally by: NokNok Let's add to the tinfoil a bit. Yesterday Tri reinforced 4 moonmining POS. 2 were owned by Insurgency, 2 were owned by MM ;) Soo what your saying is that you guys are declaring war on the entire northern alliances? heh snds cool MAFIA Becoming Outlaws Again!
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:00:00 - [223] Originally by: stinger7 The only reason RAZOR survived is because they ran away and hid until MC had gone and then napped up a uber blob to take back systems. I was talking broadly as to the moon issue btw although this war and razor are a fine example tbh as they have always been a nap/blob carebear alliance, its why they have lost so many battles but are still around (they always have somebody to run too and hide behind). From what I remember, the alliances that turned blue at that time we're Smash and Roadkill and probably some of their friends/allies that wanted to come. They are still blue as we had a good time fighting together. Maybe there were others. I don't remember. Amongst others that turned on to the fight were alliances with whom RZR had long time relations like MM and Pure. Our residents also lended us a hand. Those residents were Phoenix Allianz, Stella Polar, Circle of Two, maybe others. They later took some of the stations in Branch and were later thrown out by Insurgency. They are still lending us a hand and we are very happy with it. I suppose they feel the same, otherwise they wouldn't put BS and capitals on the frontline from their own pocket. So, even if we had so many helping us, it was mainly RZR that did the heavy lifting from FCing to distributing ammo and drones for BS and cap fuel and capital ammo like we did this week. Nothing was sold, all was given. It's not a chest beating. We quite hate it.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:04:00 - [224] Originally by: Mr Trouble Having lost 80bn ISK work of ships so far, one does have to ask if the coaltion couldn't have just said 'hmmm, maybe that one dysprosium moon isnt so important after all'. The reality is it doesn't work like that, each of those moons makes over 6.5b isk/month, which not only helps Razor, but is alos income that Insurgency won't have if Razor have, so it's a 13b isk/month differential, even if in killing 80b isk of ships, Insurgency lost nothing, it'd still be only a 6 month payback, much less if the price keeps going up. It's kind of stupid that's how valuable they are, but there you go. Quote: Alliances only break from the inside Pretty much the only way they break, you can kill 10:1 vs someone and still lose quite badly on an objectives basis.
Melpheus Rax Disco Biscuits	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:09:00 - [225] Hey guys, lets talk a bit more about this because if we are talking we aren't fighting and god forbid any of us big northern powers actually fight each other! Never seen such a large quantity of female feline in one thread. Oh, but it is about the north.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:12:00 - [226] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam From what I remember, the alliances that turned blue at that time we're Smash and Roadkill and probably some of their friends/allies that wanted to come. They are still blue as we had a good time fighting together. I think we were already blue at that stage, however some of Tenal was given to Anarchy Empire / Cult of War, who had just moved on from their campaign on Geminate, so we figured folowing them to their home was fair. It's quite funny to call what Razor had an uber blob if you see what Fatal / M.Pire / MC etc had up there. What was bought was similar firepower and the will to succeed.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:13:00 - [227] Originally by: Melpheus Rax Hey guys, lets talk a bit more about this because if we are talking we aren't fighting and god forbid any of us big northern powers actually fight each other! Aside from Tenerifis to Cache, I'm not sure there's any particularly quiet area of Eve atm ?
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:27:00 - [228] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam From what I remember, the alliances that turned blue at that time we're Smash and Roadkill and probably some of their friends/allies that wanted to come. They are still blue as we had a good time fighting together. I think we were already blue at that stage, however some of Tenal was given to Anarchy Empire / Cult of War, who had just moved on from their campaign on Geminate, so we figured folowing them to their home was fair. It's quite funny to call what Razor had an uber blob if you see what Fatal / M.Pire / MC etc had up there. What was bought was similar firepower and the will to succeed. MC had left the area before you guys decided to be brave and blob up bud, i was in tri at the time and you had us napped initially as well until your crappy campaign strategy had a lot of us decide that joining your blob was a waste of ships. You had a massive membership and fleet number advantage from day one but hid or ran away until MC had gone before you were willing to use it. The only similarities between you guys and the fatal/mpire/cow coalition was that you all were carebear alliances that needed others to fight your wars for you and without them you would fail even with equal or even slightly greater numbers.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:38:00 - [229] Originally by: stinger7 You had a massive membership and fleet number advantage from day one but hid or ran away until MC had gone before you were willing to use it. There's really no point dicussing since you obviously have a strong subjective memory of those times' circumstances.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:45:00 - [230] Originally by: stinger7 MC had left the area before you guys decided to be brave and blob up bud, i was in tri at the time and you had us napped initially as well until your crappy campaign strategy had a lot of us decide that joining your blob was a waste of ships. You had a massive membership and fleet number advantage from day one but hid or ran away until MC had gone before you were willing to use it. The only similarities between you guys and the fatal/mpire/cow coalition was that you all were carebear alliances that needed others to fight your wars for you and without them you would fail even with equal or even slightly greater numbers. I'm not in Razor, Triumvirate was never blue to SMASHKILL. You guys were blue to Razor temporarily because you were shooting someone's capital ship array, in Dekelin of all places, who wasted ships for who in that one ? Also. ROFL. MC and Co fairly significantly outnumbered Razor, I think you're looking at the size of the alliances now, back then all of them were quite alot smaller, and MC was the only one with a titan (which they had rolling in with 1-2 of BoBs titans on occasion). Now at a certain point there is running away, and then there's waiting for the titan to leave (of which none had been killed in combat at the time, so was their balance). In retrospect it looks like it was the smartest thing to do, doesn't it ? They finished the year with far more territory than they started with and the of all the alliances involved in attacking them, would MC be the only one of note (or even not of note) still in existance?

stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:45:00 - [231] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: stinger7 You had a massive membership and fleet number advantage from day one but hid or ran away until MC had gone before you were willing to use it. There's really no point dicussing since you obviously have a strong subjective memory of those times' circumstances. I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person. Plus flying with gulnar for a while afterwards and listening to him give his insider perspective as well (even though he did spin it as a "great tactical withdrawal" in stead of running away and hiding until the bad men had gone away and blobbing what was left).
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:51:00 - [232] Originally by: stinger7 I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person. Experiencing it as a member of an alliance that wasn't involved in defending or attacking any of the outpost systems Razor lost or took back ?
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 12:55:00 - [233] Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: stinger7 I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person. Experiencing it as a member of an alliance that wasn't involved in defending or attacking any of the outpost systems Razor lost or took back ? Like BKG?... like i have said you should learn your history before you try to teach it.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:14:00 - [234] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: Mr McDee MC didn't fail, because their objective wasn't "to crush razor", cough. But, looking from another point of vue, how could a fighting force could be hired for such an objective? Alliances only break from the inside. I joined RZR about a year ago. Since that, our morale has been generally good. Exactly my point. Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam So, the objective of MC was to neutralize us. Did they succeed? Only for 1 or 2 months. After that we were back in Querios. So, did they crush us? Partially. Did they fail? Yes and no. Neutralization of whole North for months is a huge success, tbh. Get real mate. Yes, they could do it even better - by evicting MM as well but there were simply not enough strong allied entities to fill the vacoom in the Tribute.
Mr McDee Ancient Crew	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:29:00 - [235] Originally by: Lord Fitz Also. ROFL. MC and Co fairly significantly outnumbered Razor, I think you're looking at the size of the alliances now, back then all of them were quite alot smaller, and MC was the only one with a titan (which they had rolling in with 1-2 of BoBs titans on occasion). Now at a certain point there is running away, and then there's waiting for the titan to leave (of which none had been killed in combat at the time, so was their balance). In retrospect it looks like it was the smartest thing to do, doesn't it ? They finished the year with far more territory than they started with and the of all the alliances involved in attacking them, would MC be the only one of note (or even not of note) still in existance? Clueless noob is clueless, eh? First of all, MC didn't have a titan at the time. Chowdown helped a wee bit in the middle of campaign, but that was basically it. I can remind you that D2 had a titan and motherships. Sure they were crumbling already from inside and brave/stupid enough to not call help from their allies, but thats other story.
Tonkin D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:30:00 - [236] is the being thought on the forums or in game?
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:45:00 - [237] Originally by: Mr McDee Neutralization of whole North for months is a huge success, tbh. Get real mate. Yes, they could do it even better - by evicting MM as well but there were simply not enough strong allied entities to fill the vacoom in the Tribute. I assume we could spin this for a while, I'll stop here.
Lord Fitz Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:02:00 - [238] Originally by: stinger7 Originally by: Lord Fitz Originally by: stinger7 I do tbqh my memory is subjective too and is something you get from actually being there and experiencing the events in person. Experiencing it as a member of an alliance that wasn't involved in defending or attacking any of the outpost systems Razor lost or took back ? Like BKG?... like i have said you should learn your history before you try to teach it. BKG was D2 before M.Pire had it, and Trimvirate was no where to be seen when it was retaken. They had brief participation in an unsuccessful attempt on short notice with temporary blue standings. Not in the actual losing or taking. Good job though, keep in mind that Tri did just as easily particpate in shooting Razor when the situation arose and they thought they might get kills. Basically particpating on whichever side for the short term would keep them at each other and allow Tri to take space of their own, before one of the powers consolidated. Smart, but hardly going to help remember battles that you weren't a part of. D2 were long gone by this stage, no one is talking about their rather quick demise, I figured they wouldn't last that long at POS warfare when they had earlier ailed to kick a 600 man SMASH kill out of K25. They couldn't play reserve grade they sure as hell weren't going to play a-grade. As for the titans, as you point out Chowdown was their and Orange Species was also (as mentioned in MC's war report, look it up). Not that it really matters.
KeyuserII Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:56:00 - [239] I love the whole CEI "we reimburse cap loses" What exactly cap fights do you get into? For the isk generated from the outposts,pos's and selling of stations how many caps been reimbursed(get my point). For as long as CEI have been using alliance funds from outposts,pos's,station sales to build your own ships/rigs/snakes/supercaps and support your gaming it it is funny to hear CEI's reasoning for that. I also enjoy the fact that Fredo is the "go to guy" when things are great or decisions need to be made "for the alliance" yet he is "Not sure" about other corps way of dealing with losses. Wait thoe, your the alliance leader and do everything to better the alliance right?(or is disco and erenst the one pulling your strings?) It is clear to see and even some of the people like cent defending the tactics(he do not know any better and it is his alliance)know deep down. They have no say in what goes on in Razor. They can't even speak up,in fear of losing what they have built up. CEI has made well sure that they control everything.From Razor holding corp and the assets coming in to other major production..Most FC's even are in CEI and PVPers in the alliance cherry picked. I am guessing the Titan bpo is not in anyone else but CEI's hands, right?.Just like any other major Razor control or assets are in CEI's hands. It is clear as day and good times to hear any spin on it.CEI no matter what happens will come out of the situation stronger and better off than any other razor corp.Deny it all you want, but it is fact and deep down most other razor corps know it.After what happen to Galax and DAB they dare not question or say anything for fear of being delt with just like those two corps.One of which was the second most contributor to anything Razor. Why would they open there mouth and slate razor making themselves look bad by association. Why would they open their mouth and question things knowing what fate awaits them if they try. I just hope at the end of it, Razor is hit even half arsed and we get to see them crumble like MC's campaign. Razor orders were to hide, go to empire and stay in M.M. space till things "calmed down" for a least a week or two. I hope someone finishs the job this time around it won't be hard. Only your allies can cushion you.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 15:58:00 - [240] Originally by: KeyuserII blah Click.

Dark Angelete Gallente Dark Angel Battalion	Posted - 2008.04.19 16:01:00 - [241] Originally by: KeyuserII I love the whole CEI "we reimburse cap loses" What exactly cap fights do you get into? For the isk generated from the outposts,pos's and selling of stations how many caps been reimbursed(get my point). For as long as CEI have been using alliance funds from outposts,pos's,station sales to build your own ships/rigs/snakes/supercaps and support your gaming it it is funny to hear CEI's reasoning for that. I also enjoy the fact that Fredo is the "go to guy" when things are great or decisions need to be made "for the alliance" yet he is "Not sure" about other corps way of dealing with losses. Wait thoe, your the alliance leader and do everything to better the alliance right?(or is disco and erenst the one pulling your strings?) It is clear to see and even some of the people like cent defending the tactics(he do not know any better and it is his alliance)know deep down. They have no say in what goes on in Razor. They can't even speak up,in fear of losing what they have built up. CEI has made well sure that they control everything.From Razor holding corp and the assets coming in to other major production..Most FC's even are in CEI and PVPers in the alliance cherry picked. I am guessing the Titan bpo is not in anyone else but CEI's hands, right?.Just like any other major Razor control or assets are in CEI's hands. It is clear as day and good times to hear any spin on it.CEI no matter what happens will come out of the situation stronger and better off than any other razor corp.Deny it all you want, but it is fact and deep down most other razor corps know it.After what happen to Galax and DAB they dare not question or say anything for fear of being delt with just like those two corps.One of which was the second most contributor to anything Razor. Why would they open there mouth and slate razor making themselves look bad by association. Why would they open their mouth and question things knowing what fate awaits them if they try. I just hope at the end of it, Razor is hit even half arsed and we get to see them crumble like MC's campaign. Razor orders were to hide, go to empire and stay in M.M. space till things "calmed down" for a least a week or two. I hope someone finishs the job this time around it won't be hard. Only your allies can cushion you. I wonder how you got this info convo me in game.It's actually pretty damned accurate.
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 16:38:00 - [242] Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 16:43:37 Originally by: Lord Fitz BKG was D2 before M.Pire had it, and Trimvirate was no where to be seen when it was retaken. They had brief participation in an unsuccessful attempt on short notice with temporary blue standings. Not in the actual losing or taking. So YES tri were part of the fighting to take BKG but TRI were part of the start of the retaking of BKG not the end part. Just because they were not fighting in BKG on the ACTUAL day it fell does not mean they were not ever involved. I did mention tri decided to stop blobbing up with you cos you idea of an invasion campaign sucked remember. Originally by: Lord Fitz Good job though, keep in mind that Tri did just as easily participate in shooting Razor when the situation arose and they thought they might get kills. Basically participating on whichever side for the short term would keep them at each other and allow Tri to take space of their own, before one of the powers consolidated. I do remember and that is why i can give a totally unbiased and clear opinion about what happened on both sides, from:- 1. The betrayal of mpire who actually reset you guys to blue while fatal and cow were still literally fighting to hold BKG for them. 2. The subsequent failure cascade this caused in fatal as an alliance and cow in the area. 3. And the fact that the northern coalition either hid or ran with its tail between its legs even though it easily outnumbered MC and buddies until MC had gone, where upon it came back and napped everybody and anybody it could and proceeded to blob the hell out of mpire and co.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 16:56:00 - [243] Edited by: raspuiain on 19/04/2008 16:57:36 Originally by: Mr Trouble Well, whats in it for them appears to be absolutely spanking you into next week in set piece engagements despite your overwhemling numbers advantage. There have been two large/significant engagements. Z-K = 700 v 250, end result of 550 RZR & Co dead and INSRG using freighters to haul loot EQI = Even numbers, another massive victory for INSRG with 19 RZR & Co capitalsb dead including 17 dreads Having lost 80bn ISK work of ships so far, one does have to ask if the coaltion couldn't have just said 'hmmm, maybe that one dysprosium moon isnt so important after all'. Be interesting to see how RZR dig themselves out of this hole... Again MrTrouble is taking rubbish. A) RzR didnt lose 17 dreads. Look at the killboards B) RzR & co. didnt have even numbers. Look at killboard battle review. There seems to be a trend here... before you open your mouth, do some research. But again RzR & co screw up in losing so many ships/caps. They really need to stop doing that. Otherwise they will lose so much IF they do win, it would take 4 years of moon mining to cover the loses leaving them in the poo if anything else happens.
Deva Blackfire D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:03:00 - [244] Originally by: raspuiain A) RzR didnt lose 17 dreads. Look at the killboards 19 RZR & Co capitalsb dead including 17 dreads WTS: reading lessons
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:03:00 - [245] Originally by: stinger7 Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 16:43:37 Originally by: Lord Fitz BKG was D2 before M.Pire had it, and Trimvirate was no where to be seen when it was retaken. They had brief participation in an unsuccessful attempt on short notice with temporary blue standings. Not in the actual losing or taking. So YES tri were part of the fighting to take BKG but TRI were part of the start of the retaking of BKG not the end part. Just because they were not fighting in BKG on the ACTUAL day it fell does not mean they were not ever involved. I did mention tri decided to stop blobbing up with you cos you idea of an invasion campaign sucked remember. Originally by: Lord Fitz Good job though, keep in mind that Tri did just as easily participate in shooting Razor when the situation arose and they thought they might get kills. Basically participating on whichever side for the short term would keep them at each other and allow Tri to take space of their own, before one of the powers consolidated. I do remember and that is why i can give a totally unbiased and clear opinion about what happened on both sides, from:- 1. The betrayal of mpire who actually reset you guys to blue while fatal and cow were still literally fighting to hold BKG for them. 2. The subsequent failure cascade this caused in fatal as an alliance and cow in the area. 3. And the fact that the northern coalition either hid or ran with its tail between its legs even though it easily outnumbered MC and buddies until MC had gone, where upon it came back and napped everybody and anybody it could and proceeded to blob the hell out of mpire and co. Again, people shouldnt let there hatred for an alliance blind them into making stupid posts. Less emo please. The old north did run, but it was against MC and Co. The most powerful cap force at the time (Power is not in numbers) Arugablly the most skilled PvPers in eve at the time. Pre MS nerf. Pre Titan nerf. Pre HIC. Pre DD nerf. Base of the fact, The north was too weak to fight MC and co. So they retreated and came back when they left. Simple as. Your post was everything but unbiased.
Polly Math Seven.	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:05:00 - [246] lol, so many alts spinning the facts. i remember that op in bkg with tri, it was a turkey shot as mpire&co lost the node crash gamble and after that they were pretty much done. also lol at the insurgency guys trying to argue about the mining pos'es. that backyard analogy fails on so many levels. you took the backyard of razor friends to begin with, next thing you tell razor is to remove the pos'es and expect razor to agree losing good isk/month. thats what good friends do, right? ofc razor replaced the pos'es with deathstars as they had to expect that insurg is gonna shoot them if they dont get pulled down.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:05:00 - [247] Originally by: Deva Blackfire Originally by: raspuiain A) RzR didnt lose 17 dreads. Look at the killboards 19 RZR & Co capitalsb dead including 17 dreads WTS: reading lessons I misread, sorry. Less sarcasm would be nice though.
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:08:00 - [248] Originally by: raspuiain But again RzR & co screw up in losing so many ships/caps. They really need to stop doing that. Otherwise they will lose so much IF they do win, it would take 4 years of moon mining to cover the loses leaving them in the poo if anything else happens. We just exited siege, a hostile POS has been downed in EQI. My alt is sitting in a new dread already without even jumping it from low sec. Some cap pilots that couldn't attend this night ops have joined today's. I think we got that covered. Friends are also coming for the fight. It's EU time zone. More to come.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:17:00 - [249] Edited by: raspuiain on 19/04/2008 17:23:19 Edited by: raspuiain on 19/04/2008 17:19:33 Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: raspuiain But again RzR & co screw up in losing so many ships/caps. They really need to stop doing that. Otherwise they will lose so much IF they do win, it would take 4 years of moon mining to cover the loses leaving them in the poo if anything else happens. We just exited siege, a hostile POS has been downed in EQI. My alt is sitting in a new dread already without even jumping it from low sec. Some cap pilots that couldn't attend this night ops have joined today's. I think we got that covered. Friends are also coming for the fight. It's EU time zone. More to come. Having spare ships isnt the point. You shouldnt be losing them in the first place, more you lost > more moral and loot for Insurg > longer they fight > more you lose.. see where this is going? Plus RzR's E-peen is like the size of a baby carrot atm and your running close to it being fully inverted thus RzR becoming RzRadette socaily forced to wear a dress. in before we dont care about E-Peen, everyone cares about e-peen, otherwise you woulndt have a no forum/localtalk/smack policy :D
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:19:00 - [250] Originally by: raspuiain Again, people shouldnt let there hatred for an alliance blind them into making stupid posts. Less emo please. The old north did run, but it was against MC and Co. The most powerful cap force at the time (Power is not in numbers) Arguably the most skilled PvPers in eve at the time. Pre MS nerf. Pre Titan nerf. Pre HIC. Pre DD nerf. Base of the fact, The north was too weak to fight MC and co. So they retreated and came back when they left. Simple as. Your post was everything but unbiased. I do not hate razor & co or the former fatal & co. The old north ran but together had a capital fleet and a considerably larger conventional fleet but they chose not to use them until MC had gone. If you look you will see we agree on what happened although we seem to disagree on the bit about if or not razor and all the allies they had could have effectively fought MC or not, i say that if they had all pulled together along with D2 they could given MC a good fight if not won but you seem to think they could not.

raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:33:00 - [251] Originally by: stinger7 Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 17:26:47 Originally by: raspuiain Again, people shouldnt let there hatred for an alliance blind them into making stupid posts. Less emo please. The old north did run, but it was against MC and Co. The most powerful cap force at the time (Power is not in numbers) Arguably the most skilled PvPers in eve at the time. Pre MS nerf. Pre Titan nerf. Pre HIC. Pre DD nerf. Base of the fact, The north was too weak to fight MC and co. So they retreated and came back when they left. Simple as. Your post was everything but unbiased. I do not hate razor & co or the former fatal & co. The old north ran we agree on that, but together had a capital fleet and a considerably larger conventional fleet but they chose not to use them until MC had gone. If you look you will see we agree on what happened although we seem to disagree on the bit about if or not razor and all the allies they had could have effectively fought MC or not, i say that if they had all pulled together along with D2 they could given MC a good fight if not won but you seem to think they could not. If I remember correctly, D2 got whitewashed within weeks and disintegrated. So it was really just RzR and other small alliances left. MM didnÆt get into the fight or at least didnÆt lose there space, just RzR
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:35:00 - [252] Ships are just tools.
stinger7 eve tutors inc	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:43:00 - [253] Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 17:46:32 Originally by: raspuiain If I remember correctly, D2 got whitewashed within weeks and disintegrated. So it was really just RzR and other small alliances left. MM didnÆt get into the fight or at least didnÆt lose there space, just RzR Exactly my point bud... nobody realy helped or got involved unless they had to (ie they got attacked by MC and co) until MC had gone although together they could have made a good fight of it and even won, and then after MC left it was claims of long term friendships and all the bells and whistles for a big invasion to remove the newcomers.
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 17:57:00 - [254] Edited by: raspuiain on 19/04/2008 18:02:08 Edited by: raspuiain on 19/04/2008 17:58:59 Originally by: stinger7 Edited by: stinger7 on 19/04/2008 17:46:32 Originally by: raspuiain If I remember correctly, D2 got whitewashed within weeks and disintegrated. So it was really just RzR and other small alliances left. MM didnÆt get into the fight or at least didnÆt lose there space, just RzR Exactly my point bud... nobody realy helped or got involved unless they had to (ie they got attacked by MC and co) until MC had gone although together they could have made a good fight of it and even won, and then after MC left it was claims of long term friendships and all the bells and whistles for a big invasion to remove the newcomers. Ahh, thatÆs a completely different cattle of fish and not what you were stating before :P. I agree, if they had been with D2 when they were attacked who knows that would have happened. Again thought, as to why they didnÆt go to D2 I have no idea. Possibly they were going to and didnÆt expect D2 to fold so soon. What ever the reason its history, needing detailed analysis and opinion based on fact. The important thing is we have gone from posts with daft statements like "ran with their tails between their legs" to realising its quite a complex situation. Possibly inadvertently taken COAD back a few years to the type of topics Pre the age of spam :P
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.19 18:05:00 - [255] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Ships are just tools. And what would that make you?
raspuiain Imperial Fleet	Posted - 2008.04.19 18:08:00 - [256] Originally by: Efdi Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Ships are just tools. And what would that make you? and now were back to 2008 :P
Efdi Minmatar Brannigan's Law	Posted - 2008.04.19 18:12:00 - [257] Originally by: raspuiain and now were back to 2008 :P I never left. v0v


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