So your plan to take null space is to make it so worthless that nobody else wants it.

Also you're dumb because that's not what jump bridges are used for, that's what Titans are used for. I was responding to someone who was actually dumb enough to say that jump bridges should be nerfed but he didn't care one way or the other about Titan bridging.

You just want to nerf jump bridges because you're too lazy to scout them out in advance. Keep crying about the big bad nullsec alliances that make you work to take and hold space. Send me pictures of your tears.

News flash: that's the point.

If you can't be bothered to fly out 50 jumps away and gather a fleet to defend empty space, then maybe that space should be left to other players interested in null sec. You guys are the ones who are always trashing high-sec bears for not moving to null. Have you ever considered that maybe your ability to quickly pop in and out of empty null areas anytime some new players try to set up camp out there is part of the problem?

The rest of us are starting to figure that out.

This has nothing to do with Jump Bridges, this is all done with Titan bridging. A nerf or removal of JB's is not going to change this situation at all, as someone said earlier PL are incredibly fast at moving across nullsec and they don't own any sov to have any JB's.

90% of JB traffic is people moving around their own region, not force projection.

This is something I quickly realized during my 0.0 years and I agree with the OP. Although, I was happy I could quickly join a fight and help my bodies one or even two regions away, it didn`t make sense to me. A galaxy should have this feeling of vastness and Eve doesn`t provide that. It probably explains why super coalitions dominate the game at the moment. There are many things that removes the "unrealistic" feeling of wanting to be in a sci-fi universe which CCP should consider looking into. That, even if it means pissing of some CSM members who mostly look into keeping the status quo.

Also, remove local

Removing or nerfing JB's makes life more difficult for the common grunt when fighting a war that requires power projection over great distance. This makes that grunt, and consequently his entire alliance/coaltion less likely to seek a fight on the other side of eve. Instead, that alliance/coalition would seek fights closer to home to keep their pilots logging in and not playing other games.

Yes, Titans will be available for major ops, but what do pilots in your own coalition do between major ops? Do some of them mine, run anoms, do exploration sites? What about minor roams? Getting replacement ships for small roams? Without JB's the common grunt will have to leave the front and travel many jumps to do other 'stuff', and then travel many jumps back for the next op. This directly makes power projection harder for a large entity.

haff ALL jump ranges, and increase the cost per titan bridge and jump by 500%

I could care less about the cyno trains but jump bridges even with their changes have caused null sec to become what it's become and have allowed large groups to control far too much space. JB's have turned null sec into what it is today and have dumbed the game down.

With out jump bridges null sec entities would have had to actually "use" their space and depend on it vs shipping everything in from high sec. Their removal would also pretty much end the power projection of most large groups and put things into the hands of more localized groups.

Combined with a limit on Titian bridge jumps to something similar to a clone jump and you would create a null sec where smaller groups could better compete for control in their localized areas. Much like you see in areas like Syndicate today.

This would also help end the tech moon hording that is going on today which allows these large groups to grow even larger.

No one uses Jump Bridges in the way you seem to think they do, if you are fighting that far away you deploy in a staging system at the region. Using Jump Bridge to move between those distances is a complete waste of time as there are far more efficient ways to move, not to mention it's common practice for an Alliance to deploy people to camp JB networks to delay reinforcements.

why scout for JB network, when its question of one line in google ?

No one uses Jump Bridges in the way you seem to think they do, if you are fighting that far away you deploy in a staging system at the region. Using Jump Bridge to move between those distances is a complete waste of time as there are far more efficient ways to move, not to mention it's common practice for an Alliance to deploy people to camp JB networks to delay reinforcements.

Wormholes are fun, and more dynamic than 0.0 (at least in my humble opinion...) because of their very limits.

Hi. People use jump freighters to import from empire, not jump bridges. Or if you really do know of someone using jump bridges and regular freighters, you have yourself a sweet sweet ganking opportunity and you should go for it.

People don't make very much of their own stuff in nullsec because industry in nullsec is broken due to the bizarre limit of one outpost per system and racially segregated outposts that don't let you combine a decent factory with a decent refinery. This means you have to freight minerals through very dangerous space to produce things locally, at which point you might as well just use jump freighters to import from empire and save yourself a couple steps, or you'll get eaten alive by the person who does. I'm saying this as someone who would love to make more things in nullsec.

Jump bridges make travel less tedious. They're actually pretty limited otherwise.

You say one thing, and than contradict yourself immediately in the next sentence. If JB's werent used for projecting power, say by bringing in reinforcements, why would it be "common practice for an Alliance to deploy people to camp JB networks to delay reinforcements?."

You can project power for defense as well as offense, in fact the former is much worse than the latter. Your own words illustrate how its common knowledge that JB's allow for the defensive projection of power.

This has nothing to do with Jump Bridges, this is all done with Titan bridging. A nerf or removal of JB's is not going to change this situation at all, as someone said earlier PL are incredibly fast at moving across nullsec and they don't own any sov to have any JB's.

90% of JB traffic is people moving around their own region, not force projection.

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And so it should otherwise there is very little point to actually holding space, it sounds like you just want to rock up to some system put a TCU down and call it a day without being opposed at all.

Hm, personally I would add something like radiation. Every jump (titan or jump bridge) would cause a increased level of radiation, that start causing structural damage to the jumping ships after the first jump.
After 3 jumps this ship damage should be quite severe. People wanting to project faster than can decide, either to wait for radiation level dropping, repair their ships between jumps or start with a serious disadvantage.

Yes and that is the way it should be, because eventually you would get tired of flying those 30 to 50 jumps every time some new local group decided to take a stab at taking away your systems that you seem to want to hold for what ever reason that are 30 to 50 jumps away.

What we need to get things interesting would be allowing cyno jammers to allow access for your own cynos and those you are willing to let in (blues) and while we're at it allow them to be built from sov 1

I second this. JB network is one of the few reasons to actually OWN space. And I agree that thats how it should be.