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Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.18 08:28:00 - [1] Hey folks! I have a 5-10 minute survey studying leadership behaviors among MMORPG players and would greatly appreciate your participation if you are 18 or older. No personal or identifying information is being collected, and once the study is done I'll share the overall results with the community. Why? I am a graduate student in industrial & organizational psychology (and a long time gamer/EVE denizen) and one of my research interests is leadership. I would like to see what links there might be between game and real world leadership and bring some academic love to MMORPGs in general. The first page of the survey link has more information about the study as well as contact info if you have any questions. Thanks for your help and fly safe! PS: I am not associated with CCP in any capacity, but I thank them for their gracious assistance! http://www.questionpro.com/akira/TakeSurvey?id=925870
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:02:00 - [2] It's an interesting survey, and it's pretty well-done. If more surveys looked like that, maybe people would take time to do them? P.S. Yes, I did finish it, and I think I learned something.
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:25:00 - [3] Done. Bump for an interesting questionnaire about an interesting subject. The outcome of good leadership is relatively easy to define, but working out all the different facets of leadership behaviour is a bugger. I'd also say that some rl leaders can't be eve leaders as to be the latter you need a certain dedication and game knowledge.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.04.18 09:58:00 - [4] Took the survey , but I don't see the point since I'm not quite in a leadership position in the real world neither are most leaders in Eve , I assume...
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:08:00 - [5] VERY good survey. IF any proper alliance/corp leader would score well on that first page and I could trust him to actually be that way, including most others in charge of that corp/alliance I might actually be inclined to join a 0.0 alliance again. Till then, since I don't want to be used/backstabbed/milked I'll remain in high sec doing my own thing.

CCP Wrangler	Posted - 2008.04.18 10:59:00 - [6] This survey is approved by CCP, although it is not done for us or by us.

Shionoya Risa The Xenodus Initiative. Overclockers Podpilot Services	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:08:00 - [7] Originally by: Tzar'rim If any proper alliance/corp leader would score well on that first page and I could trust him to actually be that way, including most others in charge of that corp/alliance I might actually be inclined to join a 0.0 alliance again. I was actually surprised at how different I answered the two pages. But then, I'm not in a leadership position out of EVE.
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:14:00 - [8] Originally by: Stakhanov Took the survey , but I don't see the point since I'm not quite in a leadership position in the real world neither are most leaders in Eve , I assume... I guess that the survey will show whether that is the case and provide a basis for conjecturing why that may be. Anyway, I found it very interesting.
Tzar'rim Reckless Corsairs	Posted - 2008.04.18 11:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Shionoya Risa Originally by: Tzar'rim If any proper alliance/corp leader would score well on that first page and I could trust him to actually be that way, including most others in charge of that corp/alliance I might actually be inclined to join a 0.0 alliance again. I was actually surprised at how different I answered the two pages. But then, I'm not in a leadership position out of EVE. That's why people play MMORPG's, because you can be different from RL. In real life you can be hampered and held back from becoming what you can be. in MMO's the only one standing in your way to become good/important/influential is yourself.
Sqalevon Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.04.18 12:23:00 - [10] Nice Survey. It's intresting to reflect on myself by awnsering these questions how I am ingame/ at work / at school.
Tridik Caldari the united Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:29:00 - [11] <3 Miniver! Man its been a long time, Aru says hey
rodney119 Gallente Peregrine ammo and arms CryoGenesis Mining Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:41:00 - [12] I liked it...made me think about my Role as CEO in Eve and Real life work roles. Was worthwhile taking part. Hmmm...NICE BELT, IT'S MINE ALL MINE!!!
belzebub1 Gallente The Funkalistic SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.18 13:57:00 - [13] Nice and easy to complete, can't wait to see the results. Rgds Belz
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.04.18 16:34:00 - [14] done Originally by: Lance Fighter This is either a troll or a noob... Ill take the noob route.
iudex Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:16:00 - [15] It's a good thing you make this poll, as you bring a certain awarness for this issue into the eve community. Leadership skills are a key factor in success of corps or ops. If i ever joined a corp again, the most important factor would not be size/location/onlinetimes/alliance/politics etc. but i'd look at their leaders and FCs and try to figure out whether they are skilled in leadership. _________________________________________ Faction Standings: Serpentis +7.50 // Angel Cartel +7.17 // Minmatar Republic -8.49 // Gallente Federation -9.43
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.18 17:50:00 - [16] Thanks to everyone who has had a chance to take the survey so far (keep 'em coming!) and for the encouraging remarks! One person pointed out they weren't in a leadership position. If you fall into that category (by definition, that's most people) I still need your info! It helps paint the broad picture of leadership in & out of MMORPGs. Fun & exciting trivia: the average complete time is currently about 9 minutes.
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:09:00 - [17] Hey, somebody else from Claremont, albeit the Grad School. I went to CMC and just thought I'd say Hi. I'll do the survey when I have more time.
Achran Dexx Caldari CompleXion Industries	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:10:00 - [18] Links seem to be dead.
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.18 20:23:00 - [19] Woohoo, go Claremont University Consortium! As for the links, I just checked them and they appear to be working, but this is my first time using QuestionPro so I am very interested to hear about it if anyone is having trouble with the survey.
Sam Frith Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.18 21:36:00 - [20] I did one page, but using the format of askintg the same questions in a lengthy format for a second example of leadership made me lose interest. Leadership is leadership. Period. Its no different for me when I am leading a team of 42 scientists in the business world, or if i am leading a small team in EVE. (or a large alliance in DAOC). I think your survey needs to be edited for length and made more cohesive. Yes, space is big and, it's cold.
yaizon	Posted - 2008.04.19 01:05:00 - [21] The survey questions are nearly verbatim from surveys we do at my workplace about leadership.
Valencia Gardner	Posted - 2008.04.19 03:47:00 - [22] Originally by: CCP Wrangler This survey is approved by CCP, although it is not done for us or by us. Did he mean the Chinese Communist Party (CCP)?
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:23:00 - [23] Is there a place that the results could be viewed from? ____________________ "All warfare is based on deception... we must seem unable...seem inactive...and crush him " - Sun Tzu, the
Brain Gehirn Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.04.19 05:36:00 - [24] Done! Great survey! Really good questions!! Congratulations :) ----------------------- < my sig here >
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.19 06:43:00 - [25] yaizon- Good eye! You're probably using the MLQ at work, which is where those questions come from. Regarding results, I'll share them when it's done. When that happens I'll post it in the forums, but since that might be easy to miss, I'll also have them up at http://www.lisk.net/research I am acutely aware that the site sucks, but I wanted get something up there and I don't have much time to work on it. :)
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.04.19 08:00:00 - [26] Done. As I said in the comments at the end, probably a little too verbose. Especially considering the demographic you're trying to get responses from. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.04.19 10:29:00 - [27] I added my info/data. I for one am extremely interested in things such as this, the way parallels can be drawn between RL and virtual experience/existance.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:01:00 - [28] Do you mind if I ask what institute you're working out of? Doing undergrad work for sociology/psychology so I always love seeing this kind of stuff. SPSS is a god-send...
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.04.19 13:12:00 - [29] I completed the survey :)
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.19 18:13:00 - [30] I do hope you'll be making the results public in the end...
Togg Bott Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.19 21:13:00 - [31] good survey. made me re-evaluate my actions/perspectives
Val Vympel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.20 00:49:00 - [32] Completed. Good survey,I will be interested in seeing the final results.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.04.20 00:57:00 - [33] Originally by: Togg Bott good survey. made me re-evaluate my actions/perspectives Okay. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
SephiriotH REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.20 11:47:00 - [34] dead link
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.21 02:33:00 - [35] Originally by: SephiriotH dead link You broke it! It was working earlier, but I just caught them in the act myself. There's no reason for it to be down (no service outage warnings from QuestionPro) so consider them On Notice! Just as soon as I can connect to complain... (FYI the survey isn't down yet, so if you are having trouble getting through please try back a little later)
Lord Lycos Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.21 04:08:00 - [36] sticky without a topic, EPIC!
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.21 04:15:00 - [37] Originally by: Lord Lycos sticky without a topic, EPIC! Hah hah, oops!
Jin Gle Gallente The Topal Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.21 09:20:00 - [38] I filled it in for ye, hope it helps. just as a suggestion: the first two pages (where you have to "rate" statements) should have some more negative statements imo. Space Lion
Lord Dynastron Mystical Knights Legionnaire Services Ltd.	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:28:00 - [39] That was a little more effort then I had envisioned with no reward (I.E. Survey results displayed as payment for wading thru the survey). Also if you are trying to prove or disprove the whole "More young leaders in MMORPG's" then you need to be sure to measure the ratios as well. In other words... if you have 1000 people, and only 3 of them are over the age of 30,, and all 3 of those are in leadership positions,,, then even if you have 300 other leaders all under 30,,, you do NOT have more young leaders...percentage wise.... which is I think what you are getting at? Being a leader in Eve takes far more then just combat skills. You need economic, personnel, and diplomatic skills as well. These skills are learned over time in the real world and applied to the game. Here is the rub.... you can learn these skills in game too!! Seriously. But, it would take just as much time as in the real world.
Cambron Silverwing Caldari Bombshell Cartel Terror Syndicate	Posted - 2008.04.21 23:06:00 - [40] It took me long enough to take the survey. Being in the corp leadership I should add my three cents and see how it comes out. Cambron
J Valkor Invicta.	Posted - 2008.04.22 00:48:00 - [41] EvE is actually where I escape from having a leadership position.
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.04.22 04:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Lord Dynastron That was a little more effort then I had envisioned with no reward (I.E. Survey results displayed as payment for wading thru the survey). Also if you are trying to prove or disprove the whole "More young leaders in MMORPG's" then you need to be sure to measure the ratios as well. In other words... if you have 1000 people, and only 3 of them are over the age of 30,, and all 3 of those are in leadership positions,,, then even if you have 300 other leaders all under 30,,, you do NOT have more young leaders...percentage wise.... which is I think what you are getting at? Being a leader in Eve takes far more then just combat skills. You need economic, personnel, and diplomatic skills as well. These skills are learned over time in the real world and applied to the game. Here is the rub.... you can learn these skills in game too!! Seriously. But, it would take just as much time as in the real world. I would have started saying random things just like this but you have to keep in mind that in a real research project the participants are only given enough information to reach their tasks to either support or not support the hypothesis placed forward regarding the topic. I am looking forward to seeing the results, in detail, when the author submits them for peer review. I have considered doing a number of surveys through EVE and other MMO's but I never really had a topic that I cared enough about =P --- Put in space whales!
Chillshock	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:42:00 - [43] I took the survey. My answers were rather similar, as I usually work and play with teams of peers.
Montague Zooma Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.22 16:26:00 - [44] A survey in which the subjects are self-selected? Please tell me this is just for fun and not an indication of how scientific standards have fallen since I got my experimental psych degree 25 years ago.
Stuart Price Caldari Havoc Inc	Posted - 2008.04.22 17:38:00 - [45] Excellent survey, good question base. I pretty much expected how my answers would pan out and they did for the most part, despite intriguing similarities. The results should be interesting indeed. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Miniver Cheevy Gallente Bombshell Cartel	Posted - 2008.04.22 21:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Montague Zooma A survey in which the subjects are self-selected? Please tell me this is just for fun and not an indication of how scientific standards have fallen since I got my experimental psych degree 25 years ago. Don't worry, I come from a program with a strong base in statistics and proper research methods, so no silly/misleading/wrong results like "Gaming CAUSES increased Leader skills in ALL people of the world! Sign up your children today!" will come from this. While it is a bit of a side project, that doesn't automatically marginalize it. Let's be honest though, all surveys have selection problems and/or biases in completion. As an example, even if I talked CCP into forcing all players to complete a survey (else be banned), at least some of the people who filled out the survey wouldn't answer it naturally/truthfully. And there would still be a few people who refused to fill it out. They would likely differ on some level from those who did. These aren't issues that have changed in the last 25 years. I just like to think folks are a bit more aware of the research pitfalls these days. Okay, some of us are -- I won't go nearly so far as to say everyone uses statistics in a proper manner!
Oyou Likeit	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:45:00 - [47] well plus your choice here isn't between doing a randomly selected/sampled survey and doing a self-selected one, its between doing a self-selected one or none at all. as cheevy points out you're not going to get a random sampling, even if you could get CCP to impose draconian measures on players. So, being an academic, i'd have to say given the choice between imperfect science and no science, i'll take imperfect science. (and i do)
Oyou Likeit	Posted - 2008.04.23 15:46:00 - [48] PS i didnt complete the survey, sorry
Athre Minmatar The HIgher Standard	Posted - 2008.04.24 03:32:00 - [49] Originally by: Akita T I do hope you'll be making the results public in the end... /agree
Garia666 Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core	Posted - 2008.04.24 07:33:00 - [50] cool m8 ill do ur survey
Guillome Renard Gallente Access Services	Posted - 2008.04.24 15:40:00 - [51] Miniver! You're back! Haven't seen you in years buddy. :P (Or any of the old CES crew for that matter.) fun fact for you: the company I work for IRL is called CES. :P I'll get that survey done for ya. Throw an evemail at me if you're online again. -Guillome Renard, ACCS -------------------------------------------------- Rational problem solving since 03/08! Ask me about subcontracted production and hauling!
Helganstandt Finis Lumen Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.26 10:25:00 - [52] That was an interesting survey. Certainly better than half of the horrid surveys I took in college for extra credit for my psych 101 class.
Kojee DEATH'S LEGION	Posted - 2008.04.27 19:46:00 - [53] Maybe a year or two into playing EVE, I was contacted randomly by someone ingame and asked questions about various things, ranging from acts of violence to helping people. I think this guy was Nick Yee, but I'm not sure. Anyway, a few years later, I got a mail back stating he had finished his thesis etc, gave it a look and was quiet surprised as to the quality of the whole thing. It's cool to see that this particular survey was partly inspired by his work. It's a nice insight to see how different / alike MMORPG life and real life are in terms of how people act. ┌--------------------------------+º Kojee º½--------------------------------┐
Adrianx7 Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.04.27 22:32:00 - [54] Intresting Iam in RL a company director of 2 companies BUT in eve, I get told what too do Guess eve is my way of getting out of the fire HUZZAH
Dealth Striker Caldari Striker Ltd	Posted - 2008.04.28 02:01:00 - [55] Hmmm --------------------- Communication is Key!

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