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rayzar veldar	Posted - 2008.04.23 06:13:00 - [31] really? lol. Are you serious? Prehaps my "sarcasm" wasn't strong enough? Your funny.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.23 09:22:00 - [32] Edited by: LRN on 23/04/2008 09:24:38 Whether lag is to blame or someone buying some of your stuff at the exact moment of changing your order coupled with boredom and impatience (or simply the daily shutdown server messages that render your current window inactive etc)... the point is that these typos do occur more frequently then you'd want them to and the game would be a lot better without them.
The Socialworker Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.04.23 19:28:00 - [33] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 23/04/2008 10:03:14 Whether lag is to blame or someone buying some of your stuff at the exact moment of changing your order coupled with boredom and impatience (or simply the daily shutdown server messages that render your current window inactive etc)... the point is that these typos do occur more frequently then you'd want them to and the game would be a lot better without the isk loss they incur. These typos are always human error. Even if there is one of those market lag spikes it is still very easy to see, because the 'total change' window just below the price window will be showing the xx mil/bil/tril error. Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. Dumbing things down with failsafe warning messages would make updating your orders even more boring and dumb. I find the best way to check my orders is by pausing after clicking down on th confirm button in the trade window. This then shows commas and spacing in the price you are entering, making it easier to spot mistakes. If there is a mistake you just have to move the cursor away from the confirm button before releasing the mouse click and the action is then cancelled.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:00:00 - [34] Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. First of all, checking local is something an individual needs to do while in 0.0 or lowsec space, regardless of whether or not it's supposed to be controlled by "friendly" entities. Secondly, no, CCP have pretty thoroughly declared this not to be a skill but something that is agreeably automated away from the player's existence, both by condoning the BACON client helper application and by implementing sa*uards for sell orders. Not also implementing said sa*uards for buy order manipulation can only be regarded as an oversight. Please post constructively. ~Saint
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:08:00 - [35] Market PvP in good taste!
cosmoray	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:02:00 - [36] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 22/04/2008 02:57:29 How about a warning message we could turn on and off (just like the broker fee warning) when changing orders and the value is way above the regional average. And I mean 10000% or something. I am surprised this hasn't been addressed before. Maybe it has but CCP doesn't give a damn. Suddenly I've developed a passion for Battlefield 2 Project Reality... (same level of boredom but no capital/time to waste on the lack of appropriate coding). I wish they would put a warning on forum threads like this.... "This will be five minutes of your life you can't have back"
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:12:00 - [37] If you thought there would be something valuable in a thread with both 'folly' and 'Small Armor Repairer' in the title... well, I don't think the fault lies in the OP.
The Socialworker Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Myrdyr Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. First of all, checking local is something an individual needs to do while in 0.0 or lowsec space, regardless of whether or not it's supposed to be controlled by "friendly" entities. Secondly, no, CCP have pretty thoroughly declared this not to be a skill but something that is agreeably automated away from the player's existence, both by condoning the BACON client helper application and by implementing sa*uards for sell orders. Not also implementing said sa*uards for buy order manipulation can only be regarded as an oversight. AFAIK ccp had no choice but to condone BACON. The rule is no apps that interfear with the client, and the reasoning behind this is presumably largely because they are the only apps ccp can detect. Condoning something that you have no control over is very different to condoning something you have a final say on. Anyway, maybe local wasn't the best example. Being thorough with you market orders can also be compared with staying aligned when needs be, or not undocking with offline modules/damaged drones, not checking scanner etc. etc. etc.. My point is if you add warning messages to protect against all human error there is no game left of any worth As for ccp not implementing buy order warnings being just an oversight, well that seems pretty far fetched to me. You used to get a warning when opening the advanced trade window along the lines of 'you can loose big time by messing hear'. These days though everyone uses sell orders, but buy orders are still mainly traders. that would seem to me the most likely reason why only sell orders get a warning atm. (P.S. Small gang and solo pvp is my thing rather than Alliance wars, so I guess we have different ideas of the meaning of hostile space)
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:30:00 - [39] Edited by: LRN on 24/04/2008 13:32:20 Originally by: LRN How about a warning message we could turn on and off (just like the broker fee warning) when changing orders and the value is way above the regional average. And I mean 10000% or something. I am surprised this hasn't been addressed before. Maybe it has but CCP doesn't give a damn. Suddenly I've developed a passion for Battlefield 2 Project Reality... (same level of boredom but no capital/time to waste on the lack of appropriate coding). Originally by: The Socialworker Dumbing things down with failsafe warning messages would make updating your orders even more boring and dumb. Are you stupid or just pretending to be? The said message would only pop up if you already made the typing mistake. Some of us do not have the physical time to check and double check the price. I think we deserve a few more lines of code for the money we put into this game.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:33:00 - [40] Edited by: Myrdyr on 24/04/2008 14:33:32 Originally by: The Socialworker AFAIK ccp had no choice but to condone BACON. Wrong. Originally by: The Socialworker Condoning something that you have no control over is very different to condoning something you have a final say on. Wrong. Originally by: The Socialworker Anyway, maybe local wasn't the best example. Right! Not a 0% effort at least. Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with you market orders can also be compared with staying aligned when needs be, Not favorably, no. Align time is modified through in game mechanics and skills trained, misclicking isn't. Originally by: The Socialworker or not undocking with offline modules/damaged drones There should be a HUD display for this, good idea! Originally by: The Socialworker not checking scanner You shouldn't ever have to touch the scanner if you're properly watching local, irrelevant and immaterial. Originally by: The Socialworker My point is if you add warning messages to protect against all human error there is no game left of any worth Wrong. Once you develop an understanding of chess beyond a child's level of play, you can know all the immediately dangerous moves, yet still walk into a position that results in danger in two moves, and then three, and so on until you start recognizing patterns of strength and weakness. Nobody (reasonably) cares about Fool's Mate after they turn 12, but there is still depth to the game thereafter, even if you use software that identifies available moves and threat regions to both players. Originally by: The Socialworker As for ccp not implementing buy order warnings being just an oversight, well that seems pretty far fetched to me. Kind of useless to talk about what things "seem" like to you personally IMO Originally by: The Socialworker (P.S. Small gang and solo pvp is my thing rather than Alliance wars, so I guess we have different ideas of the meaning of hostile space) Zzzzzz. Post with your main or it doesn't matter. 0.0 is hostile to all who enter it, and your preference of small gang to alliance wars has nothing to do with either the points being discussed or how much better the corps I've participated in are than yours. FWIW: Small gang warfare is the last refuge of the scrub. For more information about scrub behavior please refer to Dave Sirlin's excellent work here: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm Please post constructively. ~Saint
Margret Putnam	Posted - 2008.04.24 17:25:00 - [41] heh, the worst i have ever done is set a several BILLION dollar sale order on some trivial item, so i lost a few hundred million on agent fees. Oooops.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.24 17:46:00 - [42] Edited by: LRN on 24/04/2008 17:47:07 Originally by: Margret Putnam heh, the worst i have ever done is set a several BILLION dollar sale order on some trivial item, so i lost a few hundred million on agent fees. Oooops. I've never had the patience or the time for double checking prices. Since I've started playing I've lost 1.4B isk due to typos.

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