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Melinda Bettin	Posted - 2008.04.20 02:33:00 - [1] Thank you for mistyping 772,415 ISK into your region wide buy order. You know who you are. Sleep well knowing your isk has found a more faithful lover.
Petyr Baelich Taggart Transdimensional Virtue of Selfishness	Posted - 2008.04.20 03:08:00 - [2] Rubbing salt in the wound? Bad form, that.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.04.20 04:32:00 - [3] Move along, move along. Nothing interesting to see here. I just saved a bunch of money on my ship insurance by switching to CCP. ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
Ricdic's Hoe	Posted - 2008.04.20 05:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Melinda Bettin Thank you for mistyping 772,415 ISK into your region wide buy order. You know who you are. Sleep well knowing your isk has found a more faithful lover. Wow I bought 12,000 shuttles at 772k each!!!!
Asuka Smith Gallente StarHunt Fallout Project	Posted - 2008.04.20 06:20:00 - [5] Taking advantage of a mistake like that is good business sense; but making a rude post rubbing his nose in his loss makes you seem like a jerk.
Ava Santiago Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.20 06:45:00 - [6] Originally by: Melinda Bettin Thank you for mistyping 772,415 ISK into your region wide buy order. You know who you are. Sleep well knowing your isk has found a more faithful lover. Hmm. Anyone taking odds that this is the current isk purchase transfer method? Concord doesn't provide consequences. Concord provides insurance payouts.
Melinda Bettin	Posted - 2008.04.20 17:32:00 - [7] Don't blame me for lack of sportsmanship. Blame my role models or the images I see on TV.
Kushion Anti Sweden Defense Force	Posted - 2008.04.20 18:00:00 - [8] I blame videogames! -- Taggart Transdimensional corporation - \| Capitalism \| Objectivism \| 0.0 \| No taxes \| No mandatory ops \| Join channel TAGGART for more
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.20 18:12:00 - [9] Edited by: Shadarle on 20/04/2008 18:13:07 Originally by: Asuka Smith Taking advantage of a mistake like that is good business sense; but making a rude post rubbing his nose in his loss makes you seem like a jerk. Cry me a river. The post may be worthless and unneeded... but if anyone gets upset over it then they have too think a skin for business.
Market Bandit	Posted - 2008.04.20 18:26:00 - [10] Originally by: Kushion I blame videogames! ^^ This I lol'd
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.21 00:33:00 - [11] I can't claim responsibility for your little ISK influx, but I really think this is one of the reasons why they need to add a warning to order modifications. Right now you can modify a trit order up to 100000 ISK per unit and the game won't say anything. I made money off this when I get 5 CCCs for around 1.5mil each, but that was awhile ago.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation	Posted - 2008.04.21 01:06:00 - [12] omg that's quite the market heist you pulled off! Yawn.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.21 03:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Shakuul I can't claim responsibility for your little ISK influx, but I really think this is one of the reasons why they need to add a warning to order modifications. Right now you can modify a trit order up to 100000 ISK per unit and the game won't say anything. I made money off this when I get 5 CCCs for around 1.5mil each, but that was awhile ago. Maybe you can get CCP to code the game to play for you as well? That way you won't ever have a chance to make a mistake.
Grozen Caldari Bulgarian Experienced Crackers Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.04.21 05:17:00 - [14] did the same once.lost half bil lol and i made it 3hours later by manipulating the dysprosium. knowledge is power
Segge Bolled Caldari Dirty Sexy Pilots New Age Solutions Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:34:00 - [15] It would have been slightly more interesting if we'd known just how large the region order was, in terms of units ... The following statements probably represent the opinions of an individual and not necessarily those of their corporation or alliance - just in case you've forgotten to copy & paste the sign
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.21 07:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Grozen did the same once.lost half bil lol and i made it 3hours later by manipulating the dysprosium. I love how whenever anyone admits to losing a lot of money they always counter it with some brilliant move that made them all the money back! Amazing how the timing always works out that way!
Robacz Essence Trade Essence Enterprises	Posted - 2008.04.21 09:12:00 - [17] Edited by: Robacz on 21/04/2008 09:13:06 Originally by: Shakuul I can't claim responsibility for your little ISK influx, but I really think this is one of the reasons why they need to add a warning to order modifications. Right now you can modify a trit order up to 100000 ISK per unit and the game won't say anything. I made money off this when I get 5 CCCs for around 1.5mil each, but that was awhile ago. They already added modify warn dialogs, like 2-3 patches ago. EDIT: I checked patch notes and it seems they added it only for modification of SELL orders, not BUY orders. Heh, interesting.
Cagir Cloudy Heaven	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:24:00 - [18] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Grozen did the same once.lost half bil lol and i made it 3hours later by manipulating the dysprosium. I love how whenever anyone admits to losing a lot of money they always counter it with some brilliant move that made them all the money back! Amazing how the timing always works out that way! Its like when anyone says they went to a casino they always come out up, makes you wonder how the casino stays in business...
rayzar veldar	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:05:00 - [19] Edited by: rayzar veldar on 21/04/2008 12:08:23 Edited by: rayzar veldar on 21/04/2008 12:06:21 On the day the graph and numbers suggested a mistake of around 500 units. I had to laugh, after quickly checking it wasn't me. As a guess I think it could have been the same trader I gladly sold 400 medium energy neuts a week ago for 770k each. Nice profit even if it did take an hour off to fill that order from 3 other regions. I dont think he will do it again. I guess I'll be watching too.
Tasko Pal Heron Corporation	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Cagir Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Grozen did the same once.lost half bil lol and i made it 3hours later by manipulating the dysprosium. I love how whenever anyone admits to losing a lot of money they always counter it with some brilliant move that made them all the money back! Amazing how the timing always works out that way! Its like when anyone says they went to a casino they always come out up, makes you wonder how the casino stays in business... It's not just face saving. If you blow 8 billion isk on a fat finger, then among other things it implies that you had 8 billion isk to blow. Maybe you dumped $800 or so selling GTCs, but you probably got it by doing something.
Amarr Citizen 155 Alternative Methods Research Group	Posted - 2008.04.21 16:18:00 - [21] /me holds his arms out apart from each other I once caught a fish that was this big...... but I put him back and have nothing to show for it but it was a record breaker and there was a prize for the biggest fish but I didn't care about the money only the fact that I caught the biggest fish and no one else ever caught one that big. /the end ---------------------------------------------- Why do it the hard way when you can do it the AMARR way.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.21 17:01:00 - [22] Edited by: LRN on 21/04/2008 17:03:39 I've just lost 640m updating an order, not armor crap though. Lucky bastards, hahah.
Nyphur Pillowsoft	Posted - 2008.04.21 18:58:00 - [23] Originally by: Amarr Citizen 155 /me holds his arms out apart from each other hug :D Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Shadarle	Posted - 2008.04.21 19:31:00 - [24] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 21/04/2008 17:05:38 I've just lost 640m updating an order, not armor crap though. Lucky bastards, hahah. Just curious if you made more than what I've lost...
Shakuul Caldari Extreme Addiction Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.04.22 01:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Shadarle Originally by: Shakuul I can't claim responsibility for your little ISK influx, but I really think this is one of the reasons why they need to add a warning to order modifications. Right now you can modify a trit order up to 100000 ISK per unit and the game won't say anything. I made money off this when I get 5 CCCs for around 1.5mil each, but that was awhile ago. Maybe you can get CCP to code the game to play for you as well? That way you won't ever have a chance to make a mistake. Huh?
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.22 02:52:00 - [26] Edited by: LRN on 22/04/2008 02:54:45 How about a warning message we could turn on and off (just like the broker fee warning) when changing orders and the value is way above the regional average. And I mean 1000% or something. I am surprised this hasn't been addressed before. Maybe it has but CCP doesn't give a damn. Suddenly I've developed a passion for Battlefield 2 Project Reality... (same level of boredom but no capital to waste on the lack of features).
rayzar veldar	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:25:00 - [27] Nah. It adds to the fun of market pvp. yes I have lost and gained from it a few times.
Samantha Watanabe	Posted - 2008.04.23 02:38:00 - [28] I lost about 85M to a typo last weekend. I was changing a sell order on some crap I was trying to liquidate and my current price ended in .60, and I forgot that when the last cent digit is a zero its omitted when you get to where you place the cursor and get to type in a new price, so I hit backspace twice, entered what I thought was going to be my new cents value, and hit enter. Oops, 85M broker fee. 5 minutes later I dropped it back down, called it a rounding error and moved on with my night. One of these days I'll get it through my head to hit tab before hitting enter, no matter how mundane an order I'm changing.
rayzar veldar	Posted - 2008.04.23 03:23:00 - [29] Originally by: Ricdic's Hoe Edited by: Ricdic''s Hoe on 20/04/2008 05:48:32 Wow I bought 12,000 shuttles at 772k each!!!! edit: just saw the subject, guess i can't take credit for this one. What Ricdic's means is... "When I saw CCP had removed NPC shuttles I knew that with my experiance of pushing blueprints around eve in tanked shuttles I could use my elite marketing skills to quickly buy and liquidate 12000+ shuttles @ 1mill each in a few minutes. When I realized my plan was failing I decided to save face by blaming it on a typo." sorry Ricdic. I couldn't resist. I hope you didn't spend 10 billion on shuttles. You cant use them as ammo for your Golem. I tried.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.04.23 04:32:00 - [30] Originally by: rayzar veldar ...pushing blueprints around eve in tanked shuttles... You do know what a shuttle is, right? They can't be tanked, at all, in any way, not even a little. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
rayzar veldar	Posted - 2008.04.23 06:13:00 - [31] really? lol. Are you serious? Prehaps my "sarcasm" wasn't strong enough? Your funny.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.23 09:22:00 - [32] Edited by: LRN on 23/04/2008 09:24:38 Whether lag is to blame or someone buying some of your stuff at the exact moment of changing your order coupled with boredom and impatience (or simply the daily shutdown server messages that render your current window inactive etc)... the point is that these typos do occur more frequently then you'd want them to and the game would be a lot better without them.
The Socialworker Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.04.23 19:28:00 - [33] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 23/04/2008 10:03:14 Whether lag is to blame or someone buying some of your stuff at the exact moment of changing your order coupled with boredom and impatience (or simply the daily shutdown server messages that render your current window inactive etc)... the point is that these typos do occur more frequently then you'd want them to and the game would be a lot better without the isk loss they incur. These typos are always human error. Even if there is one of those market lag spikes it is still very easy to see, because the 'total change' window just below the price window will be showing the xx mil/bil/tril error. Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. Dumbing things down with failsafe warning messages would make updating your orders even more boring and dumb. I find the best way to check my orders is by pausing after clicking down on th confirm button in the trade window. This then shows commas and spacing in the price you are entering, making it easier to spot mistakes. If there is a mistake you just have to move the cursor away from the confirm button before releasing the mouse click and the action is then cancelled.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:00:00 - [34] Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. First of all, checking local is something an individual needs to do while in 0.0 or lowsec space, regardless of whether or not it's supposed to be controlled by "friendly" entities. Secondly, no, CCP have pretty thoroughly declared this not to be a skill but something that is agreeably automated away from the player's existence, both by condoning the BACON client helper application and by implementing sa*uards for sell orders. Not also implementing said sa*uards for buy order manipulation can only be regarded as an oversight. Please post constructively. ~Saint
Corstaad Minmatar Vardr ok Lidskjalv	Posted - 2008.04.23 21:08:00 - [35] Market PvP in good taste!
cosmoray	Posted - 2008.04.23 22:02:00 - [36] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 22/04/2008 02:57:29 How about a warning message we could turn on and off (just like the broker fee warning) when changing orders and the value is way above the regional average. And I mean 10000% or something. I am surprised this hasn't been addressed before. Maybe it has but CCP doesn't give a damn. Suddenly I've developed a passion for Battlefield 2 Project Reality... (same level of boredom but no capital/time to waste on the lack of appropriate coding). I wish they would put a warning on forum threads like this.... "This will be five minutes of your life you can't have back"
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:12:00 - [37] If you thought there would be something valuable in a thread with both 'folly' and 'Small Armor Repairer' in the title... well, I don't think the fault lies in the OP.
The Socialworker Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:04:00 - [38] Originally by: Myrdyr Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with your orders is one of the skills of trading, on a par with checking local when in hostile space. First of all, checking local is something an individual needs to do while in 0.0 or lowsec space, regardless of whether or not it's supposed to be controlled by "friendly" entities. Secondly, no, CCP have pretty thoroughly declared this not to be a skill but something that is agreeably automated away from the player's existence, both by condoning the BACON client helper application and by implementing sa*uards for sell orders. Not also implementing said sa*uards for buy order manipulation can only be regarded as an oversight. AFAIK ccp had no choice but to condone BACON. The rule is no apps that interfear with the client, and the reasoning behind this is presumably largely because they are the only apps ccp can detect. Condoning something that you have no control over is very different to condoning something you have a final say on. Anyway, maybe local wasn't the best example. Being thorough with you market orders can also be compared with staying aligned when needs be, or not undocking with offline modules/damaged drones, not checking scanner etc. etc. etc.. My point is if you add warning messages to protect against all human error there is no game left of any worth As for ccp not implementing buy order warnings being just an oversight, well that seems pretty far fetched to me. You used to get a warning when opening the advanced trade window along the lines of 'you can loose big time by messing hear'. These days though everyone uses sell orders, but buy orders are still mainly traders. that would seem to me the most likely reason why only sell orders get a warning atm. (P.S. Small gang and solo pvp is my thing rather than Alliance wars, so I guess we have different ideas of the meaning of hostile space)
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:30:00 - [39] Edited by: LRN on 24/04/2008 13:32:20 Originally by: LRN How about a warning message we could turn on and off (just like the broker fee warning) when changing orders and the value is way above the regional average. And I mean 10000% or something. I am surprised this hasn't been addressed before. Maybe it has but CCP doesn't give a damn. Suddenly I've developed a passion for Battlefield 2 Project Reality... (same level of boredom but no capital/time to waste on the lack of appropriate coding). Originally by: The Socialworker Dumbing things down with failsafe warning messages would make updating your orders even more boring and dumb. Are you stupid or just pretending to be? The said message would only pop up if you already made the typing mistake. Some of us do not have the physical time to check and double check the price. I think we deserve a few more lines of code for the money we put into this game.
Myrdyr	Posted - 2008.04.24 14:33:00 - [40] Edited by: Myrdyr on 24/04/2008 14:33:32 Originally by: The Socialworker AFAIK ccp had no choice but to condone BACON. Wrong. Originally by: The Socialworker Condoning something that you have no control over is very different to condoning something you have a final say on. Wrong. Originally by: The Socialworker Anyway, maybe local wasn't the best example. Right! Not a 0% effort at least. Originally by: The Socialworker Being thorough with you market orders can also be compared with staying aligned when needs be, Not favorably, no. Align time is modified through in game mechanics and skills trained, misclicking isn't. Originally by: The Socialworker or not undocking with offline modules/damaged drones There should be a HUD display for this, good idea! Originally by: The Socialworker not checking scanner You shouldn't ever have to touch the scanner if you're properly watching local, irrelevant and immaterial. Originally by: The Socialworker My point is if you add warning messages to protect against all human error there is no game left of any worth Wrong. Once you develop an understanding of chess beyond a child's level of play, you can know all the immediately dangerous moves, yet still walk into a position that results in danger in two moves, and then three, and so on until you start recognizing patterns of strength and weakness. Nobody (reasonably) cares about Fool's Mate after they turn 12, but there is still depth to the game thereafter, even if you use software that identifies available moves and threat regions to both players. Originally by: The Socialworker As for ccp not implementing buy order warnings being just an oversight, well that seems pretty far fetched to me. Kind of useless to talk about what things "seem" like to you personally IMO Originally by: The Socialworker (P.S. Small gang and solo pvp is my thing rather than Alliance wars, so I guess we have different ideas of the meaning of hostile space) Zzzzzz. Post with your main or it doesn't matter. 0.0 is hostile to all who enter it, and your preference of small gang to alliance wars has nothing to do with either the points being discussed or how much better the corps I've participated in are than yours. FWIW: Small gang warfare is the last refuge of the scrub. For more information about scrub behavior please refer to Dave Sirlin's excellent work here: http://www.sirlin.net/Features/feature_PlayToWinPart1.htm Please post constructively. ~Saint
Margret Putnam	Posted - 2008.04.24 17:25:00 - [41] heh, the worst i have ever done is set a several BILLION dollar sale order on some trivial item, so i lost a few hundred million on agent fees. Oooops.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.24 17:46:00 - [42] Edited by: LRN on 24/04/2008 17:47:07 Originally by: Margret Putnam heh, the worst i have ever done is set a several BILLION dollar sale order on some trivial item, so i lost a few hundred million on agent fees. Oooops. I've never had the patience or the time for double checking prices. Since I've started playing I've lost 1.4B isk due to typos.

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