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DroneBay Diva
AbChao
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:22:00 -
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The reasons are obvious to anyone who has half a brain. It takes something that does and SHOULD be involving in the game (paying attention, hello) and practically automates it for them. I have no problem with people who want to afk while playing, hell I do it all the time. However, they should have to TAKE RISKS to do so. This "bacon" application practically removes all risk related to afk playing, so long as the user is within hearing range of the maximum volume of his/her speakers.
While looking at the small picture this doesn't make a huge difference ('zomg you'll miss a few raven belt ganks' crowd), it does fundamentally change the way the game is played and takes Eve down a dangerous path.
Please CCP, reconsider your position on this matter.
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Shakuul
Caldari
Extreme Addiction
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:23:00 -
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Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:24:00 -
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 Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
couldn't of said it better myself 
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:24:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
been there, done that... hopefully one of them goes.
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster 
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:28:00 -
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*sigh*
Empire: Full realtime local.
Low-sec: 5 minute delayed local unless you chat.
0.0: No local unless you chat.
Fixed.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
No sir you are incorrect.
Bacon is a metagaming tool. Hearing a sound has a psychological impact.
Hearing "Hostile in local" is going to make you 10 times more likely to do something about it than seeing "Cute Cuddlewuffagus" with neutral standings jump into local.
Period.
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Lord Lycos
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:30:00 -
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Especially if it is interrupting your music :P
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DroneBay Diva
AbChao
Synchr0nicity
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Posted - 2008.04.20 08:53:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Lycos
Especially if it is interrupting your music :P
For some reason I find myself in the mood for some Rage Against the Machine 
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The macdaddy
Amarr
Hedion University
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:00:00 -
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Edited by: The macdaddy on 20/04/2008 09:02:18
Edited by: The macdaddy on 20/04/2008 09:01:31
So how do you ban it? as far as i am aware it reads a file that the client writes to on the hard drive. I dont think ccp can check to see if this is happening as nothing is changed and no information being sent to the server is amended.
Like people have said, get rid of local. If you want to go down the realism route then surely "local" should only show whoever is within your scan range?
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Anub1s
Amarr
Return of the Anub1s
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:02:00 -
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Edited by: Anub1s on 20/04/2008 09:01:56
As I said in first thread:
I think banning isn't a good idea because some group will use it anyway and gets advantage. I doubt that CCP can monitor this program because It doesn't interact with client software.
Simply disable log server system entry alert feature and this program will be useless.
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Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:03:00 -
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/signed
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Shakuul
Caldari
Extreme Addiction
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:06:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Bacon is a metagaming tool. Hearing a sound has a psychological impact.
Hearing "Hostile in local" is going to make you 10 times more likely to do something about it than seeing "Cute Cuddlewuffagus" with neutral standings jump into local.
I don't know where you came up with the 10x multiplier figure, but my point was just that it multiplies an existing problem (local). I don't see how hearing a sound would make the neutral any more threatening.
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Anub1s
Amarr
Return of the Anub1s
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:09:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Bacon is a metagaming tool. Hearing a sound has a psychological impact.
Hearing "Hostile in local" is going to make you 10 times more likely to do something about it than seeing "Cute Cuddlewuffagus" with neutral standings jump into local.
I don't know where you came up with the 10x multiplier figure, but my point was just that it multiplies an existing problem (local). I don't see how hearing a sound would make the neutral any more threatening.
It's not just a sound... I'm quite sure that some people have managed to intrgrate this logic into a macro.
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Peekaboo Iseeyou
Trollops Are Really Terrifying
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:15:00 -
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Bacon is candy for adults.
I'm not sure wtf ya'll are smoking.
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Trathen
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:17:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
This is the real problem. I am glad BACON announced it here so CCP understands what a bizarre intelligence tool a chat channel is.
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Bacon is a metagaming tool. Hearing a sound has a psychological impact.
Hearing "Hostile in local" is going to make you 10 times more likely to do something about it than seeing "Cute Cuddlewuffagus" with neutral standings jump into local.
I don't know where you came up with the 10x multiplier figure, but my point was just that it multiplies an existing problem (local). I don't see how hearing a sound would make the neutral any more threatening.
If you are ratting in an empty 0.0 system, browsing the forums and managing your alt... and fail to see a neutral jump into system and start scanning for you... you die.
However if you hear a sound saying "Hostile/Neutral in local" tab over and warp to a SS/cloak... Would that make hearing a sound more useful? Yes, but you shouldn't be sitting in a place where you a vulnerable in the first place it you're not watching your screen. (This is speaking from experience, I try multitasking on my one monitor too much )
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
*sigh*
Empire: Full realtime local.
Low-sec: 5 minute delayed local unless you chat.
0.0: No local unless you chat.
Fixed.
Yes, because pressing scan every 30 seconds is SUCH fun.
Oh hay, look, another BACON whine thread.
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Jeneve
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:40:00 -
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If you're going to ask for this, you should at least ask for another, more optimal way for us to check local. Not everyone likes having the local window up 24/7. You have to minimize it SOMETIME. Besides, this game has graphics for a reason. I want to see them, not stare at a chat screen all day. An audio alarm is a feature. Not a sploit.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
here here!!
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Gamesguy
Amarr
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 09:56:00 -
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Originally by: techzer0
Originally by: Shakuul
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Bacon is a metagaming tool. Hearing a sound has a psychological impact.
Hearing "Hostile in local" is going to make you 10 times more likely to do something about it than seeing "Cute Cuddlewuffagus" with neutral standings jump into local.
I don't know where you came up with the 10x multiplier figure, but my point was just that it multiplies an existing problem (local). I don't see how hearing a sound would make the neutral any more threatening.
If you are ratting in an empty 0.0 system, browsing the forums and managing your alt... and fail to see a neutral jump into system and start scanning for you... you die.
However if you hear a sound saying "Hostile/Neutral in local" tab over and warp to a SS/cloak... Would that make hearing a sound more useful? Yes, but you shouldn't be sitting in a place where you a vulnerable in the first place it you're not watching your screen. (This is speaking from experience, I try multitasking on my one monitor too much )
Bacon can apparently differentiate between a blue/friendly, a neutral, and a red character entering local and play a different sound.
It would be exceedingly simply to make it terminate the eve process instead of just playing a sound.
This thing is like designed to be abused by macroers.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.04.20 10:06:00 -
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Originally by: Gone'Postal
Originally by: Shakuul
Bacon is just highlighting an existing problem (the unreasonable/excessive amount of information local provides) by giving everyone easy access to this information (through sound). Don't petition to remove bacon, petition to remove local.
here here!!
True enough. But ... people are always going to automate a boring process.
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Shaun Klaroh
Caldari
Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD
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Posted - 2008.04.20 10:10:00 -
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Why should BACON be smacked around for what it could be used for? I could use my pen and paper to write something extremely libelous, but at the same time, we don't ban paper.
(I'm playing Devil's Advocate. I haven't decided my position on the issue involving BACON. Too bad in a way, it seems like they spent a decent amount of time working on it.)
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.04.20 10:47:00 -
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As I see it, Bacon makes Local accessible to people with smaller resolutions. Local is the problem. People with big screens like to keep it open in a whole new window for its intel potential.
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Shaun Klaroh
Caldari
Nova Mining Manufacturing and Research LTD
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:35:00 -
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So in effect, this whole "Ban BACON" thing is the same kind of gateway that various "naturalists" in the US use as a gateway for "Don't Trust The Government" campaigns hidden behind bogus medical threats.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:37:00 -
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Correct me if I'm wrong- BACON gets it's data from logfiles, not from the in-game Local channel. So even if there was no "local", BACON would still be able to function, right?
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways. |
Jessica Lorelei
Minmatar
Shiverau
FOUNDATI0N
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:37:00 -
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simple solution
CCP ADD AUDIO CUES!!!!
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Correct me if I'm wrong- BACON gets it's data from logfiles, not from the in-game Local channel. So even if there was no "local", BACON would still be able to function, right?
Unfortunately, my understanding of it is that it is actually local itself which is creating that log.
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Adonis 4174
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:41:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Patch86
Correct me if I'm wrong- BACON gets it's data from logfiles, not from the in-game Local channel. So even if there was no "local", BACON would still be able to function, right?
Unfortunately, my understanding of it is that it is actually local itself which is creating that log.
Interesting.
So if you stopped logging when people join and leave channel...
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Gojyu
Ever Flow
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:43:00 -
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But, when I'm afk ratting, I'm able to tell when enemies or neutrals are up to 10 jumps away, using a recently released tool called vent, and all I need to be is in range of my computer speakers. Surely, this travesty of a metagaming tool should be banned with bacon
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir.
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Posted - 2008.04.20 11:54:00 -
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VOIP intel is a product of your corp/alliance working together to protect one another. Makes plenty of sense to me.
I support the removal of local, getting that out of the way. I'm troubled by the Easy Button that BACON seems to be for afk players. But the program itself isnt the problem, it's just taking game info and rendering it audiably instead of visually.
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