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Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:08:00 - [1] As you read this, Serenity Steele is busy xploring this new content in his Polaris Frigate, Correct me if I'm wrong here, but a BOB alt is getting advance details of the new content AGAIN? Did CCP learn NOTHING from last year? Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:08:00 - [2] As you read this, Serenity Steele is busy xploring this new content in his Polaris Frigate, Correct me if I'm wrong here, but a BOB alt is getting advance details of the new content AGAIN? Did CCP learn NOTHING from last year? Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:12:00 - [3] --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:12:00 - [4] --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:24:00 - [5] do you have a source, links, pics, any proof. Anyone can say something A dev handed out towels to 200 goonsfleet members but that doesn't make it true
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:24:00 - [6] do you have a source, links, pics, any proof. Anyone can say something A dev handed out towels to 200 goonsfleet members but that doesn't make it true
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:27:00 - [7] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 11:29:37 Thanks for ordering EVE Strategic Maps, which we were expecting to begin shipping within the next 10 days. However, we have just returned from CCPÆs Iceland HQ where we discussed some exciting new content which will slightly delay the shipping of EVE Strategic Maps, but will in fact put you well ahead of the rest of the player base. Why? There is, as you may know already, an expansion coming in a few months, which will introduce completely new content to the world of EVE. So although your copy of ESM will arrive a couple of weeks later than planned, it will now contain advance information, allowing you to take advantage of the knowledge of this new content before anyone else. CCP has agreed to exclusively reveal this data to us now, well in advance of it ægoing liveÆ, in order that we can ensure the first run of EVE Strategic Maps includes the most accurate information possible. As you read this, Serenity Steele is busy exploring this new content in his Polaris Frigate, plotting the data and mapping every system, planet, moon, asteroid field, ice field and jump gate. With EVE Strategic Maps on your desk, you can be ready to take control. We will email you again to let you know when your copy of ESM is on the way, but for now thanks for your patience. We promise you will not be disappointed. Regards The E-ON / ESM team One of the worst kept secrets in the old ISS is that Serenity Steele was REALLY a BOB alt. Lucky man - I wonder if Dianabolic is sworn to secrecy as usual. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Maximoff Gallente Mercenary Coalition Holding Corp Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:32:00 - [8] Edited by: Maximoff on 21/04/2008 11:31:48 reserved this become epic for sure and yes mmm i blame mynas
Xeliya Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:36:00 - [9] Ok time to get my blame Mynas button out
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:40:00 - [10] so your complaining that someone who is doing a job they are paid to do is out doing something to help put together material that anyone who wants to can order and get before the stuff actually goes live on any server, just because it is rumored they are a bob alt. would you have the same complaint if it were someone from goons or TCF or any other major group. seriously, the information is being released to anyone who pays for it all at the same time, and well before it actually becomes meaningful. go home and come back when you find a real problem
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:42:00 - [11] This thread should be in CAOD. ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:44:00 - [12] Originally by: Leon 026 This thread should be in CAOD. And then locked and buried with the other junk.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:44:00 - [13] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 11:45:28 Originally by: Ferria it is rumored they are a bob alt. Its not a rumour .. check my corp history. Originally by: Ferria would you have the same complaint if it were someone from goons or TCF or any other major group. Yes .. but it never is, is it ... its always BOB. Don't worry though . their will be an NDA till its published and secret information is never released between BOB directors. This is fact. T20 said so. And Dianabolic WAS sworn to secrecy. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Ghost Festival	Posted - 2008.04.21 11:52:00 - [14] Someone's obviously bitter. Have we thought about it this way...? If Serenity Steele was given advance information to make this book, information REQUIRED to make the book, and the book is out RIGHT NOW, then doesn't everyone now have the opportunity to buy this book and get the exact same information 3-9 months before this "new content" arrives? And before you whine about cost, I would say don't buy it. There'll be at least one director in every major alliance with one anyway.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:00:00 - [15] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 12:02:56 Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Someone's obviously bitter. Have we thought about it this way...? If Serenity Steele was given advance information to make this book, information REQUIRED to make the book, and the book is out RIGHT NOW, then doesn't everyone now have the opportunity to buy this book and get the exact same information 3-9 months before this "new content" arrives? And before you whine about cost, I would say don't buy it. There'll be at least one director in every major alliance with one anyway. If the BOB alt, popularly kown as Serenity Steele was given access to this datadump (I assume the Polaris Frigate is poetic licence) why aren't we ALL given it so we can ALL make strategic decisions based on it NOW rather than just BOB. I don't need to wait on a published map to plan my alliances future strategy .. access to the same database will be sufficient. Months of lead time for the most powerful empire building alliance in the game is indefensible. Oh ..and post with your main. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:03:00 - [16] um you will, thats what happens when they release a book with all this info months before they actually make it live on the server, sure he has a week or three more than you, but you still have two or three months with it, stop whining, or at least share the cheese
maarud Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:03:00 - [17] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Someone's obviously bitter. Have we thought about it this way...? If Serenity Steele was given advance information to make this book, information REQUIRED to make the book, and the book is out RIGHT NOW, then doesn't everyone now have the opportunity to buy this book and get the exact same information 3-9 months before this "new content" arrives? And before you whine about cost, I would say don't buy it. There'll be at least one director in every major alliance with one anyway. You're mostly right, but this gives BoB a nice advantage knowing which moons will contain what, giving them a clear advantage knowing where to deploy thier POS's. I'm sure that information will not be provided in eve maps. I have to wonder if true sec is availible too. It is however stupid letting a bob alt do this due to CCP's current past history and bob. Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member <t20> i'd rather have a python in my pants than a sle
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:10:00 - [18] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 12:11:44 Originally by: Ferria um you will, thats what happens when they release a book with all this info months before they actually make it live on the server, sure he has a week or three more than you, but you still have two or three months with it, stop whining, or at least share the cheese Can you cite your source for this 'week or three' or is that just common knowledge in BOB? Full disclosure of these dates, as well as access to BOB's copy of this database will suffice. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!

CCP Lingorm C C P	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:14:00 - [19] cough cough Moon mineral information will not be generated until it goes live on TQ. Just as we scatter the Moon mineral information on Multi and Sisi so that scans there are of no use on TQ. And as for any other advantage. There will not be much of one. This is new content to support of new content (can't go into details). It is also somewhat of a test for adding regions and such which has not been done before (the Drone regions was already there in the DB, we just had to add the gates to it). Also the new content will be available on Sisi at a later date so that people can look at it there (sans moon minerals). CCP Lingorm CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Team Leader Originally by: Lord Fitz Eve is to WoW as Wow is to an 8 player game of Unreal Tournament.

Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:14:00 - [20] 1 not a bob member, alt or pet. 2 don't give a crap if bob has the info now. 3 I know the info will be avalible before launch because of the info you gave us yourself. so go stuff yourself
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:16:00 - [21] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Someone's obviously bitter. Have we thought about it this way...? If Serenity Steele was given advance information to make this book, information REQUIRED to make the book, and the book is out RIGHT NOW, then doesn't everyone now have the opportunity to buy this book and get the exact same information 3-9 months before this "new content" arrives? Are you telling me that this timescale has been confirmed to your alliance? Or just to your fellow BOB directors? Oh .. and do have the courtesy to post with your main. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:20:00 - [22] Originally by: maarud Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda Someone's obviously bitter. Have we thought about it this way...? If Serenity Steele was given advance information to make this book, information REQUIRED to make the book, and the book is out RIGHT NOW, then doesn't everyone now have the opportunity to buy this book and get the exact same information 3-9 months before this "new content" arrives? And before you whine about cost, I would say don't buy it. There'll be at least one director in every major alliance with one anyway. You're mostly right, but this gives BoB a nice advantage knowing which moons will contain what, giving them a clear advantage knowing where to deploy thier POS's. I'm sure that information will not be provided in eve maps. I have to wonder if true sec is availible too. It is however stupid letting a bob alt do this due to CCP's current past history and bob. Seeing how the moon minerals are different from the test server and the Tranquility server and the publicity leafleet cited speak of "moon position" not "moon mineral content" your you and your friends are only trying to stir hate for your former friends with thinhat arguments. In the publicity leaflet cited there is only 1 name, but I really dubt that only 1 person is checking the changes and localizing every "moon, planet, station, system, gate, ecc. ecc... " for several system, not, at least, if they want to publish the book in some week and not some year. I would bet that there are several current and former players involved in the project and that they rapresent a good cross section of the membership of several alliances. Simply someone in the adverstisig section of the project selected 1 name they feel will be recognized by the geneal prayer as a long standing character.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:22:00 - [23] Originally by: CCP Lingorm cough cough Moon mineral information will not be generated until it goes live on TQ. Just as we scatter the Moon mineral information on Multi and Sisi so that scans there are of no use on TQ. And as for any other advantage. There will not be much of one. This is new content to support of new content (can't go into details). It is also somewhat of a test for adding regions and such which has not been done before (the Drone regions was already there in the DB, we just had to add the gates to it). Also the new content will be available on Sisi at a later date so that people can look at it there (sans moon minerals). But the Truesec and gates will be there now in the database, and with BOB's track record do you REALLY think this was wise selectively releasing this to a BOB member despite the commercial arrangement with him? You don't need anyone here to tell you who BOB are and what they have done in this game with every loophole in game mechanics or strategic advantage, yet you are releasing this information in what can only by viewed by those of us you HAVEN'T released it to as giving BOB an advantage. The history of this game shows how they have exploited the tiniest of advantages and developer leaked insight into mechanics in the past. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:25:00 - [24] all this thread is doing right now is taking the name that MC has worked so hard for and dragging it thru the mud. Your alliance has lost any respect I had for it. not everyone works for bob or even gives a crap about them.
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:31:00 - [25] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 12:31:39 Originally by: Ferria all this thread is doing right now is taking the name that MC has worked so hard for and dragging it thru the mud. Your alliance has lost any respect I had for it. not everyone works for bob or even gives a crap about them. Then have the testicular fortitude to use YOUR main to show us who your allegiance is to. Why would anyone seek the respect of someone hiding behind an anonymous alt? Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Ferria Caldari	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:31:00 - [26] this is my main, look me up, dork
Leon 026 Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:38:00 - [27] Accusing those that don't agree with your opinion as alts is so passT. Seriously, just make a CAOD thread already instead of taking space on the game development ------- Leon 026 Once I was fallen, now I have wings
Eternal Hatred Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:39:00 - [28] Whoa wait a minute! Is SS a girl IRL or not?! Thats all I'm intrested. _________________ It's great being an Amarr, isn't it??? :(
Mynas Atoch Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:45:00 - [29] Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 21/04/2008 12:46:38 Originally by: Leon 026 Seriously, just make a CAOD thread already instead of taking space on the game development I want the database BOB will now have with regions, constellations, stations, truesec, ore classifications, cosmos specials and gates. Simple as that .. only the game development guys will know what they released to BOB. This is about future content and an impartial release of it. Sounds like the right forum to me. I'm sure it will be redirected if its not. Sir Molle says : Mynas is Dead!
Pilk Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.04.21 12:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Mynas Atoch Originally by: CCP Lingorm cough cough Moon mineral information will not be generated until it goes live on TQ. Just as we scatter the Moon mineral information on Multi and Sisi so that scans there are of no use on TQ. And as for any other advantage. There will not be much of one. This is new content to support of new content (can't go into details). It is also somewhat of a test for adding regions and such which has not been done before (the Drone regions was already there in the DB, we just had to add the gates to it). Also the new content will be available on Sisi at a later date so that people can look at it there (sans moon minerals). But the Truesec and gates will be there now in the database, and with BOB's track record do you REALLY think this was wise selectively releasing this to a BOB member despite the commercial arrangement with him? You don't need anyone here to tell you who BOB are and what they have done in this game with every loophole in game mechanics or strategic advantage, yet you are releasing this information in what can only by viewed by those of us you HAVEN'T released it to as giving BOB an advantage. The history of this game shows how they have exploited the tiniest of advantages and developer leaked insight into mechanics in the past. 1) Truesec isn't available from the server. As far as I know, it's actually in your client files; you have to have a MachoNet decompiler to view it. Those aren't hard to make, mind you, but still, I'd guess Serenity was just handed an Excel file. 2) Everyone who plays this game has used every mechanic to its fullest. I've logged out prior to aggro with a freighter. I know others who routinely used warp core stabs on their Vagas (I've never flown the damn things, and certainly not pre-WCS nerf). m0o littered the battlefield with cans; another corp, which may also have been m0o, infamously circle-tanked CONCORD in high-sec. RA and -A- have both done login traps; hell, one of those login traps inflicted nearly 20b in damage on AXE in Impass and was probably the killing blow for our ability to continue to hold it. Several alliances have entire squads dedicated to suicide-ganking. RA still holds TRILLIONS of ISK (in a combination of ISK, loot and OPE's) from bugged Angel 8/10 complexes. GoonFleet had "standings in Local" before the client did, thanks to a client-side hack. If the mechanic exists, people will push it as far as they can. There is nothing new to this. One last note, and then I'm done--ignoring for a moment the actions of the one bad apple (about whose ill-gotten BPO's BoB leadership had absolutely no way to know), the only remaining issues with BoB's past behavior fall to communication. I have a simple solution so that everyone may have this level of communication, and it's available right now; I've used it myself many times. Get ready, because here comes the SUPER SECRET BoB-EYES ONLY INFORMATION! If you want to talk to devs, go to ColdFront IRC. If you want to talk to devs on MSN, go to ColdFront IRC and do a /whois. It's not rocket science, people. --P Kosh: The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. Tyrrax's bet status: PAID!

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It's great being an Amarr, isn't it??? :(