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CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.13 21:03:00 - [31] First thx for doing this for us. I will look into this tomorrow morning (12hours office iwanagohome). All have a nice evening and again THX for the nice change of the discussion into something productive. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Phane Rielle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.14 04:07:00 - [32] Just chiming in to say I'm having the exact same issues as Kalmanaka, same file structure and tags and everything. Only difference is I run 4 classic clients using "normal" cache settings. This is what happens when I try to run any number of clients: 1 client: Runs fine, no problems. 2 clients: Can start up a single client, log in, select character, then start the second client. Both run perfectly fine, low resource usage. 3 clients: Have to get each to the login screen before I can select my character on any of them, otherwise when I try to start the 3rd client while the other two are already in-game causes some strange hard drive activity and my computer basically locks up. Settings on the 3rd client are usually toast by now and I have to manually delete the settings folder for it to start up correctly again. If I log them all in at the same time they all run fine with no problems. CPU usage is pretty high but everything is running perfectly smooth. 4 clients: Same as starting up 3 clients, no problems if I log them in all at the same time. Everything runs fine but eventually one will "white out" as others have described. CPU usage is the same as running 3 clients, and ram is at about 70%, never higher even with other programs running. To me it seems like something in the start up sequence after the splash-screen is using a strange amount of resources, because this is always when it freaks out. I never had a problem with it before the patch, and it's doubly annoying when it destroys your settings. Here's my specs from the "whiteout" post, if it helps any: Operating System: Windows XP Professional Processor: AND Athlon 64 4200+ Dual Core Memory amount: 2 Gigs DirectX version: 9.0c, or whatever the latest is. Graphics card: Geforce 7900 GT How many EVE clients do you use regularly: 4 What resolution you usually use (list for each client): 1600x1100, all 4. Windowed/Fullscreen: Windowed, two on each screen. Number of monitors: 2
mawlee Gallente flaming logistics Kingdom of Redemption	Posted - 2008.05.14 07:11:00 - [33] Edited by: mawlee on 14/05/2008 07:11:37 I run 3 clients at one time first client is on the C drive it is on the left screen 1600x1200 windowed on a 22"crt (Prem sometimes) sec and third clients is on the H drive (same folder) and run on the right screen both running at 1024x768 windowed on a 22" CRT ( always classic) No matter how many i run when i close the settings window (Esc) it laggs for about 30sec befor it shows my hanger again (or space) some times i see a message on the main window frame saying " not responding" most of the time i have both VENT and TS running and sometimes i have two VENTS running. other then that i run flawless my sys is as follows with all updates done every weekend Windows Vista (TM) Business Manufacturer MSI. Model MS-7207NG Total amount of system memory 1.75 GB RAM System type 64-bit operating system Number of processor cores 1 Display adapter type NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT Total available graphics memory 895 MB Dedicated graphics memory 256 MB Dedicated system memory 0 MB Shared system memory 639 MB Display adapter driver version 7.15.11.6925 Primary monitor resolution 1600x1200 Secondary monitor resolution 1600x1200 DirectX version DirectX 10 Total size of hard disk(s) 149 GB Disk partition (C:) 40 GB Free (75 GB Total) Media drive (D:) CD/DVD Disk partition (H:) 16 GB Free (75 GB Total) Disk partition (I:) 5 MB Free (9 MB Total) Internet speed 10 down 2 up on a Giga bit router vista rating Processor AMD Athlon(tm) 64 Processor 3200+ 4.0 Memory (RAM) 1.75 GB 4.1 Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 4.9 Gaming graphics 895 MB Total available graphics memory 5.3 Primary hard disk 40GB Free (75GB Total) 4.8
Ap0ll0n Gallente The Defias Brotherhood DEFI4NT	Posted - 2008.05.14 10:48:00 - [34] I have been running 2 client in premium without much trouble so far. At first i couldn¦t run 2, because it made the whole PC lag like crazy. Then i tried to start both clients, but then when they were both ingame, fully loaded, i tried shutting down the second client, then starting it again. When i did that, the game ran smooth (not as smooth as running a single client, but close). Then, when i try to start a third client, if the PC doesn¦t freeze, so i have to spam ctrl+alt+del for a couple of minutes, the third client will get me the windows error message: "eve.exe have found an error and is terminating", or something like that. Like when internet explorer crashes, we¦ve all tried that The only possible way for me to log 3 clients, is to start all 3 clients, choose all accounts, and have all clients at the character selection menu, before proceeding. This way i can play with 3 clients (buhu, i have 4 accounts ) I just tried the copy eve folder thing, and i don¦t think there are any noticeable differences that justyfies the extra HD usage.. I was wondering if it was simply because that the new premium graphics is just using alot of rescourses on the GFX? My system: Intel Core2 quad Q6600 2.4GhZ Asus Striker extreme/nVIDIA nForce 680i SLI Kingston 4 x 1GB DDR2 800mhz 2 x GeForce 8800GTS 320mb running in SLI mode. Windows XP pro 32bit with servicepack 3 Running EvE in windowed @ 1440 x 900 (btw, no 1600x900 for EvE?) with shadow details off, HDR = high.
XoPhyte Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.14 17:09:00 - [35] Edited by: XoPhyte on 14/05/2008 17:11:59 I run 2 premium clients with the same install dir without any problems. I do use the " /end /LUA:OFF" string at the end of my shortcut to use the caching (and then ramdrive) within the eve directory itself. My specs... Operating System: Windows VistaÖ Business (6.0, Build 6000) (6000.vista_gdr.070627-1500) Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6700 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs), ~2.7GHz Memory: 4094MB RAM Page File: 2648MB used, 5695MB available Windows Dir: C:\Windows DirectX Version: DirectX 10 -------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTX Manufacturer: NVIDIA Chip type: GeForce 8800 GTX DAC type: Integrated RAMDAC Device Key: Enum\PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_0191&SUBSYS_039C10DE&REV_A2 Display Memory: 2524 MB Dedicated Memory: 732 MB Shared Memory: 1791 MB Current Mode: 1920 x 1200 (32 bit) (60Hz)
Fifinella Caldari Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust	Posted - 2008.05.14 19:55:00 - [36] Originally by: CCP Sputnik Small break to make this totally clear: LUA:OFF switch is basically outdated because EVE is now saving the settings for every installation separately at: C:\Documents and Settings\[UserName]\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE the setting folders are named Apparently Eve ALSO saves the settings in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP\EVE\. I haven't used LUA:OFF for ages, I have separate installations (installations, not just copies) in separate folders, and I only use classic client. When looking around the directories, I'm fairly certain I found the settings in a third location under Documents and Settings, but I deleted them before checking their location, as I only later realised the settings files seem to be cropping up all over the place. Deleting the CCP-directory under All Users\Application Data and the unidentified third location cleared whiteouts and startup freezes at least for now (but I'm not holding my breath). So how many places _do_ the settings get saved into, and which ones _do_ the different clients actually use?

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.15 09:59:00 - [37] Edited by: CCP Sputnik on 15/05/2008 10:01:35 Originally by: Fifinella Apparently Eve ALSO saves the settings in C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP\EVE\. I haven't used LUA:OFF for ages, I have separate installations (installations, not just copies) in separate folders, and I only use classic client. When looking around the directories, I'm fairly certain I found the settings in a third location under Documents and Settings, but I deleted them before checking their location, as I only later realised the settings files seem to be cropping up all over the place. Deleting the CCP-directory under All Users\Application Data and the unidentified third location cleared whiteouts and startup freezes at least for now (but I'm not holding my breath). So how many places _do_ the settings get saved into, and which ones _do_ the different clients actually use? C:\Documents and Settings\[UserName]\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE = your settings for eve (you can delete settings of old installations which are not existing anymore) C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP = compiled.code* patching (temporary folders you can delete them once in a while, they should be mostly empty) C:\Documents and Settings\patrickr\My Documents\EVE = folder where all the screenshots, portraits and gamelogs etc gets saved into (you can delete this folder once in a while) Over all you can basically delete all of these folders, EVE will generate all necessary folders again. To delete the "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP" folder is worth a try for all you out there with problems, because a broken compiled.code* update could create a issue (thats just a suggestion and no 100% solution, sorry) I'm at the moment buried in work, so I'm not really able to test a lot of stuff but I can try to check everything with the programmers if we find a issue (hopefully I find some time next week to really kick this of) * compiled.code is the python game code (thats the code which got decompiled) Edit: Just a reminder, don't run away if your problems are gone, please write what solved the problem so we can look into it and fix this defect once and for all. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Emrys Ap'Morgravaine Caldari Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:03:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Sputnik * deactivate the sound in the clients (its possible to run one client with sound but not more than one) At the risk of riling a dev - I run two premium clients side by side, same PC, both with sound, and its not a problem, maybe you were referring to the eve-voice (which I dont use at all) ?? -=-=-=-=- Reformed Carebear. Much bear, zero care. -=-=-=-=-

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.15 12:31:00 - [39] Edited by: CCP Sputnik on 15/05/2008 12:32:04 Originally by: Emrys Ap'Morgravaine At the risk of riling a dev - I run two premium clients side by side, same PC, both with sound, and its not a problem, maybe you were referring to the eve-voice (which I dont use at all) ?? Yes it is possible to run 2 or more clients with sound, but the chance that something is going wrong because of this is extreme. The audio code which is used in the eve-client atm is almost as old as eve itself (no worry - we are working on a update) and was never meant to run multiple instances. Some of the newer soundcards/drivers maybe able to catch the errors which occur but I wouldn't bet on it. And sorry again that I wrote these rules so strict. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Anaesthera Gallente Sky Net Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.05.15 13:24:00 - [40] I run two clients and I haver absolutely no problems. I have Vista, quad core, 2gb ram, and a 512mb video card. I can alt-tab between the two with no delays or crashes.
Kalmanaka Caldari Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.15 14:50:00 - [41] On my fast pc I upgraded my video card from a NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT to an 8600 GT and it didn't help. My fps is better though.

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.15 15:29:00 - [42] Originally by: Kalmanaka On my fast pc I upgraded my video card from a NVIDIA GeForce 7600 GT to an 8600 GT and it didn't help. My fps is better though. Did you delete the "C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\Application Data\CCP" folder ?? __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Kalmanaka Caldari Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.15 17:12:00 - [43] I did before I reinstalled the client into it's 3 different folders. I did a search of the entire drive for "ccp" and "eve" and killed it all.
Dewayne Hicks Alcohol Fueled Brutality	Posted - 2008.05.15 21:54:00 - [44] Edited by: Dewayne Hicks on 15/05/2008 21:55:59 I've read this entire thread and unless in my advanced condition of 'Old Man's Syndrome' have become blind and missed a post I believe I am experiancing a dual-log problem different from everyone else. I have been dual-logging since '03 and sometimes triple logging and up until the latest Trinity\Python patch have had no problems, regardless of running premium or standard graphics. When I dual log and alt-tab between the clients one client crashes completly, and not always the same client (ie, the client i am currently in crashing or the client i am tabbing to). Like one of the other fellas, I have Always installed seperate installs in seperate directories. Never using the 'install, then copy folder method'. I have also never used any 'switches' except of course on my once again seperate install directory for test server purposes. If anyone can help out with some suggestions on work-arounds I would appreciate, upto and including CCP putting down their nerf-bat for a few minutes and possiable fixing their code. ** I've even went so far as to try and run two clients in windowed mode,running on different cards (after of course unhooking the SLI cables and 'turning off' SLI mode so-to-speak, which is a real pain in the ass if you've ever done it) Nothing has helped so far. I believe the problem is somewhere in the new Trinity\Python coding imo. Anway any help would be nice if I ever decide to start playing again instead of letting my toons collect dust due to this issue. My Wittle 'Puter: Twin 7950 GTC's 512mg 8gigs Crucial Ballistics 800mhz Memory Soundblaster Audigy 4 Asus M2N-E SLI With AMD (forgot which one tbh) Seagate 320 SATA (install Drive) *All cards\northbridge\cpu have either Thermaltake or Zalman coolers on them with the system in a Coolermaster case, so heat is NOT the issue so lets not go there
ZaknafeinX Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.16 01:45:00 - [45] I have EXACTLY the same whiteout effects as Kalmanaka's images show, only running two clients (Power of ftl) :( By booting the clients at the same time (from there respective directories) i can go about 40 minutes flying around space, with only the "Stargate icon whiteout" being the only visible problem, Invariably though my PC suffers a Hard lock, and i have no option but to reboot the PC. If i dont boot both clients at the same time, total whiteout effects seem to occur much sooner, the whole whiteout scenario however only seems to effect a single client (although it lags the second) Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.070227-2254) System Manufacturer: NVIDIA System Model: AWRDACPI BIOS: Award Modular BIOS v6.00PG Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 5600+, MMX, 3DNow (2 CPUs), ~2.8GHz Memory: 2048MB RAM Page File: 458MB used, 3481MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode GFX Card - ATI X1950 PRO (latest drivers, umpteen variants tried) Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-M59LI-S5 Hope this helps
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:47:00 - [46] Copied and pasted from my own thread about this problem. I wasn't in the mood to retype and reformat everything correctly to suit this thread so the post won't sound right but it still outlines my problem. When I have had a client or multiple clients running for a while and I load a new client my system goes down to 1fps, my mouse cursos changes to an hour glass, flickers and I have to reboot the system to get the system to respond normally again. This is a very irritating bug or 'feature' and has caused me to lose many a ship. The problem wouldn't be a big one were it not for the fact that I have five accounts and would like to use all five without the PC crashing. Before I get any smart comments about not being able to log more than one the same client on please read what I said I have FIVE accounts, if you can't count please don't post posts that prove constructive ignorance as this happens a lot. A bug report is impossible as the PC needs to be hard reset before it starts responding and it's a bug that affects me often. It is incredibly irritating and one I believe CCP are ignoring in favour of more irrelevant things like a new expansion which will just add more bugs to the already existing ones. My system specs are as follows: Q6600 @ 3.6 4GB DDR2 800 P35-DS4 8800GTS 320 My system is heavily overclocked as you can see and I like it the way it is. I do not crash in other games, I do not overheat and have been overclocking for 10 years and am no noob so it's definitely not my PC Can I have some feedback either from people who have experienced this and know a solution or from CCP? Thank you very much for the help in advance. Liranan. To this I will add that all clients are running from seperate folders and I didn't have this problem untill the last wonderful patch.
Liranan	Posted - 2008.05.16 03:55:00 - [47] Originally by: Emrys Ap'Morgravaine Originally by: CCP Sputnik * deactivate the sound in the clients (its possible to run one client with sound but not more than one) At the risk of riling a dev - I run two premium clients side by side, same PC, both with sound, and its not a problem, maybe you were referring to the eve-voice (which I dont use at all) ?? EvE Voice is a disgrace, it constantly crashes my pc and I can't talk regardless of whether I choose a button or voice activation. The only thing that works is the middle mouse button which hurts my fingers and is, therefor, not a viable option and even then the client crashes. Another thing that needs to be looked into instead of releasing expansions to please CVA and the roleplayers. I like CVA but the fact that roleplaying takes a precedence over bugs is unacceptable.
Fifinella Caldari Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust	Posted - 2008.05.16 06:01:00 - [48] Well, I deleted all of these folders, and no luck: WSoD is still with us. Seems the "Windows hangs if another client is started when one is already running"-bug goes away when the folders are gone, though, which is nice. One thing I did notice is that "load office environment" is something of a misnamed option, quite often when I'm docked with the option off, I still see moving effects on screen: Ship lights flashing, welding sparks etc. By curious coincidence these effects seem to only be visible when WSoD is in effect. Also, when docking several times in a row, the view (even though locked) seems to keep creeping up closer and closer to the parked ship after each redocking. Graphics bug, and related to the WSoD. Might want to check up on that, too.

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.17 18:51:00 - [49] At first I have some new infos regarding a little work around to help you guys fixing the white spacing - thx to CCP Tenitigo. If the white spacing happens look your pc (windows+L), wait a bit (20 seconds or so) and log back in. This will redraw the scene and fix the white spacing. And now I have to ask for your help again: - start up DXDiag (Start - Run - type in dxdiag and hit enter/press ok) - Check the info boxes within the "DirectX Files" and the "Display" tabs (you maybe have more than one display tab uf you run multiple monitors), if there is an error message in one of these boxes please post it here. - Run the tests on the Display pages ("Test DirectDraw" and "Test Direct3D") and again if there is a error message please post it here. Ok thats it for today, sorry guys that I cant work on this 24/7, I would really like to fix this asap. __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Dewayne Hicks Alcohol Fueled Brutality	Posted - 2008.05.18 00:09:00 - [50] No problems found. DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful.
ZaknafeinX Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.18 03:36:00 - [51] No problems found. DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful. The workaround is only of limited use, since most of my white screens, cause a hard lock of the PC requiring a reboot.
Klinsanthoor	Posted - 2008.05.18 10:49:00 - [52] Edited by: Klinsanthoor on 18/05/2008 11:01:38 I had never a problem running eve, im still able to run 3 classic clients(different folders+lua:off) and i dont have a ubber-machine(athlon 64 3800+ 2,4ghz, passive cooled 7600gt, 2gig ram, xpsp3pro) However a gd way to resolve or to test what causes these crashes/disconnects etc is to exclude possibilitys. Here are some: 1. Make sure you have updated chipset-drivers, other drivers are based on them 2. The newest graphic-driver isnt always the best, but if you install a new one remove the old ones completely. Ther are several guides out in the net how to do that, so there are no leftovers from the old which can cause trouble. 3. After you reinstalled new drivers, reinstall directx 4. Check your HD + RAM for errors (memtest/prime for example 5. Install a logging-tool which monitors the temperatures, fan-speeds, Voltages (Hardwaremonitor, Rivatuner, motherboardmonitor etc) so you can see if theres something wrong 6. Test/log your connection (pingplotter.com) 7. Disable services you dont need (http://www.ntsvcfg.de/ntsvcfg_eng.html) 8. Deinstall all these crappy tools/starters/schedulers like these from nero, acrobat, java etc they can be buggy, interfering each other and they use ressources for nothing (with sysinternals: autoruns or hijackthis its easy to remove them) 9. Antivirus: There are some out which interfere the connection like Kasperskys proactive-protection or nod's IMON which can cause trouble 10. Disable the audio-stuff for eve: Add to prefs.ini each in 1 line: audio=0, voiceenabled=0 11. Lower/Disable hardware-acceleration Start->control-panel->display->settings->advanced->Troubleshoot 12. Disable write-combining (sometimes it resolves these crashes with trinity.dll) Same location as 11 13. In eve set the cache to off. 14. In the graphic-driver dont force AA/AF or disable it
Phane Rielle GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.19 07:12:00 - [53] No problems found. DirectDraw test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 7 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 8 test results: All tests were successful. Direct3D 9 test results: All tests were successful. For both monitors. And just tonight I got the whiteout with only 3 clients open, which was a first. This just means I can only use 2 clients in combat now, which is somewhat inconvenient. Nothing strange happened or was different from what I could tell.
Fifinella Fringe Exploration And Salvage Trust	Posted - 2008.05.22 21:21:00 - [54] Bump for no solution. The "switch users"-trick is a temporary solution, but even that fails sometimes: For some reason sometimes the open EVE windows shrink a little vertically, causing interesting mouse effects (namely, the lower in the window something clickable is, the more you have to actually click _beneath_ it to hit it).
Kalmanaka Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.05.24 00:10:00 - [55] I fired up 2 clients on sisi to see if the problem remained. Took a few minutes and filled me with false hope but alas, whitescreen. I wouldn't count on this problem being fixed for a loooooong time. This combined with the GTC price increase has convinced me to get rid of at least one account. If I can't play with 3 clients at once then there's no reason to have them. I'll stick with 2 for now and see how things progress.

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.29 10:56:00 - [56] Ok good news, we can reproduce this issue internally and the programmers have started to work on this. They want to improve the overall FPS and include functionality to support multiple clients better, so you should see some major improvements soon(TM) - I cant say anything about a launch date because this stuff are mostly bug fixes so i could be launched in a small bug fix patch. If i have more news about this I will post it here. - Sputnik PS. Don't stop to add/update Bugreports because of this, the more infos we get the easier is it for us to find the parts of the code which need improvements. (I love this color tags ^^) __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

Errica21 WING MAN INC	Posted - 2008.05.29 12:09:00 - [57] One question i have - maybe this has been answered already above, but without spending 30minutes reading through all the blabber and actually getting to the facts i cant tell.... You said if running 2 clients - try running 1 in premium, and 1 in classic. I run 2 clients, and when i try to switch 1 out to run classic it asks for a client reboot, which then closes the second client and switches both out to classic.! Hopefully this makes sense - am i doing something wrong?

CCP Sputnik C C P	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Errica21 One question i have - maybe this has been answered already above, but without spending 30minutes reading through all the blabber and actually getting to the facts i cant tell.... You said if running 2 clients - try running 1 in premium, and 1 in classic. I run 2 clients, and when i try to switch 1 out to run classic it asks for a client reboot, which then closes the second client and switches both out to classic.! Hopefully this makes sense - am i doing something wrong? You need to have 2 copy's of the EVE installation for this, one for premium and one for classic. (You don't need to install it again, just copy the installation you use atm) __________________________ CCP Sputnik CCP Quality Assurance QA Engineering Software Engineer

RaTTuS BIG	Posted - 2008.05.30 10:53:00 - [59] I run Premium & Classic from the same folder, I use the Userprofile method I have several batchfiles setup so that I can launch each alt with a differnt setup [or the same character with differnt settings - i.e. 0.0 settings and empire settings] or market settings some are setup for premium , some for differnt resolutions etc. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve
DFox31	Posted - 2008.05.31 00:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Jecob Edited by: Jecob on 10/05/2008 03:17:34 If only CCP would acknowledge the problem, do testing with different systems and recognize and inform people what works and what doesn't. You do realize that there are a TON of different system possibilities? Its not like there are two or three motherboards and 2 types of ram. Also, like the guy said a couple post's above I run two clients, one machines, one folder, both premium and both sound (Although the sound will occasionally get twitchy.

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