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Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 10:33:00 - [1] To all people claiming bacon is horrible what do you think about for example keyboards or mouses that can bind multiple keys to a single key? It takes as much skill to press f1 through f8 as it does watching local. If I had a say in it I would advice CCP to make a way to create addons that indeed does allow visual warnings based on trigger events or binding whatever keys to whatever you want. Because quite frankly it has ZERO influence on the skill of a player but DOES increase the playability of this game (pressing f1 through f8 is ****** repetition, constantly being focused on local chat is ****** repetition etc etc.) --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 10:38:00 - [2] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Shevar To all people claiming bacon is horrible what do you think about for example keyboards or mouses that can bind multiple keys to a single key? It takes as much skill to press f1 through f8 as it does watching local. If that were true then there would have been no need to ever create BACON in the first place. Its very existence disproves your statement. Something that doesn't take skill doesn't automatically mean it's fun to do. Same reason with the people that either use programs or keyboards/mice to bind multiple keys to a single key. It doesn't take skill to press f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 every time you want to pewpew something (or activating all harderners ever jump etc) but it is highly annoying. So I really can't follow your reasoning sorry.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 10:55:00 - [3] Originally by: Ridley Tree Originally by: Shevar Something that doesn't take skill doesn't automatically mean it's fun to do. Same reason with the people that either use programs or keyboards/mice to bind multiple keys to a single key. It doesn't take skill to press f1 f2 f3 f4 f5 f6 f7 f8 every time you want to pewpew something (or activating all harderners ever jump etc) but it is highly annoying. So I really can't follow your reasoning sorry. You can't follow it, because your initial statement doesn't contain any amount reasoning whatsoever. BACON exists because 'keeping track of local' requires skill and vigilance. BACON replaces that skill and vigilance with a set of computer eyes to do it for you. F1-F8 macro on a G15 =! Bacon. G15 exists because pressing 'f1 through f8' requires skill and vigilance. The G15 replaces that skill and vigilance with a set of perfect excecuting computer to do it for you. F1-F8 macro on a G15 = Bacon.
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 11:48:00 - [4] Originally by: Ki An Personally I want a program that tells me if there's a gate camp on the other side of a gate. It would be ok to have a program that would alert you when you actually entered the gatecamp, but then it would be rather pointless. Getting information solo from another system isn't information currently available. Hence it shouldn't be possible, what should be possible would be for example changing the icon of the gate to represent the colour of pod kills in last 30 minutes or active pilots in the last 30 minutes from the map. Originally by: Ki An giving me opinions on what to do and when it's time to disengage. Of course, I could just get better at fighting and make those evaluations myself, but why bother if there's an automated tool for it. You could do something like this but it won't be as effective as you claim it would be (how many disengage addons are there for WoW for example?). Originally by: Ki An Or how about a beeping noise when someone has undercut me on the market somewhere. I would sure like that. It would be a great addition if you could for example click your buy order in the wallet and automatically undercut the lowest buyorder (excluding the low volume ones) with a set amount. All of these options DON'T change the way you play the game, it just makes information that already is available better accessible and more usuable. Leaving you better able to make decisions without having to grab a bit of info from screen A then switch to screen B etc. Originally by: Ki An Go on programmers, get to work. All these are ok. Shevar said so. I would like the ability to have this sort of help, that doesn't make them legal given the current rules. But I just wish CCP would have the desire to make this game have a decent UI, and yes the communities UI's will ALWAYS be tons better then ANY CCP can give (primarily because the community will supply ui's based on niches while CCP's UI needs to please "everyone" including first time newbs). --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:22:00 - [5] Edited by: Shevar on 22/04/2008 12:25:27 Originally by: Ki An CCP develops this game. The design decisions they take shouldn't be second guessed by players. We should have a level playing field, free of 'required' mods. Before you say EveMon or EFT, neither is required. Nor is TS or Vent. These programs either functions as spread sheets, alarm clocks or facilitated means of communication requiring human input. Bacon is a bot. CCP doesn't disaprove the current incarnation of BACON nor the G15 keyboard (if they did they could choose to introduce a wardenlike program that scans for certain processes and just flag your account for banning). So according to your logic they are perfectly acceptable because we aren't supposed to "second guess" their decision? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:41:00 - [6] Edited by: Shevar on 22/04/2008 12:44:37 Originally by: Ki An Edited by: Ki An on 22/04/2008 12:28:26 Originally by: Shevar CCP doesn't disaprove the current incarnation of BACON nor the G15 keyboard (if they did they could choose to introduce a wardenlike program that scans for certain processes and just flag your account for banning). So according to your logic they are perfectly acceptable because we aren't supposed to "second guess" they decision? Ffs, don't make yourself look more stupid than you actually are. As we have already explained to you, your G15 comparison is full of fail. And just FYI, CCP hasn't approved nor disapproved of BACON yet. That's because they are investigating it right now. The ONLY comments they have made is that the program doesn't APPEAR to violate the current EULA, but that we SHOULD NOT TAKE THIS AS CCP APPROVAL! If CCP approves of this program (Allah forbid), I won't be around to second guess them. /Edit: It doesn't surprise me that the supporters of BACON are exclusively made up of people from failed/carebear alliances and alts. Ooooh an ZOMG do this CCP or I WILL CANCELL MY ACCOUNT AND ALL MY 300 ALTS!!! post /Edit: It doesn't suprise me that the supporters of the banning of BACON are failed PvP'ers who can only manage to PvP in empire. Eg. even goons have created their own "bacon-like" application. (long live broad generalizations entirely missing the point, I don't support them but appearantly you do)
Shevar Minmatar A.W.M Soul of Fountain	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:38:00 - [7] Originally by: Ki An Originally by: Torik Tavitas I guess it is just the way I think. To me presentation is irrelevant. If the information is made available then it should be presented in a way that makes it easiest to comprehend within the confines of the game. So if the game tells me when someone enters the system I am in and I can then see if they are hostiel to me then it should not matter if I obtain the information by clicking one button or a dozen or whether the information is presented visually or through sound. That should really be a secondary concern that does not affect actual gameplay. Giving players full access to so much information and then trying to hide it by using a bad UI is just idiotic. The "full access" you speak of is actually a log file written to your hard drive to fascilitate bug hunting. It is, in short, not supposed to be a part of the UI, which is why it can only be found in your game's installation folder. The UI presents the information that is and should be available to you during game play. So now you are claiming players can't view every player (including the hostiles) in local? --- -The only real drug problem is scoring real good drugs

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