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Jacob Molari	Posted - 2004.04.23 13:56:00 - [1] Let this be a warning about having too many hands in the pot. A few weeks ago, it was decided by those active playing EVE to push the "pillars" of the emperor to give up control of the Forsaken Empire, largely because these same pillars were playing lineage, and were hardly ever available. As a rule, the F-E has always been a tightly controlled corporation. Access was set so that only 2 of the 7 hangers were "general", the others restricted. As a result of this, it was next to impossible to get anything from the corporation because not only the pillars were playing L2, but so were most of the people who had restricted access (oh, and things like cruise missles, large hybrid ammo, etc were in restricted). Anyways, the pillars relented and control of the corporation was handed to Perrinaybara. At that point, we had every intention of reforming the corporation to a leaner and meaner group, so to speak, when treachery struck. You see, the Forsaken Empire was constructed from a large number of former pirate and PvP corps. The CEOs of the merged corporations were all given, as a courtesy and a sign of trust, complete hanger and corporation wallet access. My guess is that Vultair, who was the CEO of Valkyre (sp?), was afraid he'd lose access to all the F-E hangers and wallet once the corporation was reformed, so he and some former Valkyre members stole every last isk from the corporation wallet, and also took everything that wasn't nailed down. This action broke the back of the Forsaken Empire. With no ISK, minerals (and we are talking hundreds of thousands of Megacyte and zydrine), BPs, and assorted other valuables, the F-E was at square one. The decision was made to disband the corporation, to seperate those who were still actively playing eve, and those who were not, and to prevent further looting. Out of this, the Paladins of the Red Skull have been reformed, as well as the Oracles of Curse, and there maybe some additional corporations to arise out of the remnants of the Forsaken Empire. There is a lesson to be learned here, something that I said in a post long ago: You cannot break a corporation militarily, it is just impossible. Sure you can harass them, and make life difficult, but with unlimted Clones, BPs, mining, etc, you can only hurt a corporation, you can't kill it. The only way to kill a corporation or alliance is from within, just as the NVA, and now the F-E have found. Traitors and theives are the bane of EVE. Anyways, just a warning. And don't trust Vultair (if he hasn't already sold his account on e-bay). ~Molari Out.
Bobby Wilson	Posted - 2004.04.23 14:01:00 - [2] Past issues aside (and there are lots) it is a pure, **e crapper to have a corp theft, especially a massive one. Condolences. BW Originally by:** Selim Cool, congrats. Oh, stupid idea by the way.
Ronyo Dae'Loki	Posted - 2004.04.23 14:10:00 - [3] I would not even wish corp theft (especially of this magnitude) on my enemies--and you have been at times my enemy. I'm sorry to hear of this, it is truly tragic. Good luck picking up the pieces and continuing. I salute you. ------------- My salsa makes all the pretty girls want to dance and take off their underpants. I <3 ( . Y . )
Maud Dib	Posted - 2004.04.23 14:19:00 - [4] Corp theft bites. Please nobody come in here with that you hang out with scum this is what you get crap. No matter who it happens to it's the worst piece of crap in EVE.
Ulrike Meinhoff	Posted - 2004.04.23 14:19:00 - [5] From a player's point i view, i must say that this one really sucks. But on the other hand, it was a pirate corp, full of pirates. There are so many people gloating about how they ripped off so called carebears. And now the pirates prey on each other. It was not all that surpirsing to me.
Gaius Kador	Posted - 2004.04.24 01:04:00 - [6] I dont really care about a corporation's ethics game wise, but when corp theft is involved.... Thats how low one can go. Welcome to my ever growing list of poddables mr.Vultair ----------------------------------------------
Blacklight	Posted - 2004.04.24 01:11:00 - [7] That stinks. Bad luck FE and it's a great shame to see you guys go under, was always a blast fighting you. Good luck. Eve Blacklight Style
Marichek	Posted - 2004.04.24 01:16:00 - [8] Good post, and very accurate summary, Jacob. I'm surprised this information wasn't put out earlier, considering the magnitude of the theft. Whether a pirate corp or not, no group deserves to be struck from the inside, but someone you've trusted for such a long time. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Darkwolf	Posted - 2004.04.24 01:32:00 - [9] Well, even though I was on the other side of the battlefield versus you guys for a long time, I gotta say it. That really sucks. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, and you have my sincere condolences. Corporate theft is the worst possible crime that can be perpetrated in-game, to my mind. It's an abuse of trust, which just isn't on. Here's hoping the thief gets his just desserts.
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.24 02:18:00 - [10] This is only the side of the story from the people who are still active in Eve. Yes corp theft sucks, but F-E wasn't a corporation that sustained itself on the corporation's assets. I have received little of value from the corporate entity of F-E, and I know that most of the members did not sustain themselves on hand-outs from the corporation itself. So yes, while it sucks that the corp. was raided, it is not the reason that F-E is no longer a major player and power. F-E's decline in power occurred well before the corp. theft happened. I personally 100% understand why people want to leave and form new corporations or reform old ones (as Paladins of the red skull has done). The core leadership of what was F-E (Hupa, Darwin, Havocide, Zen Later, etc.) are no longer actively playing Eve. Although it sucks for the people who stayed in Eve that the leaders that made F-E the superpower that it was are no longer active, it is by no means the end of F-E. As others have recently pointed out, the one and only reason why F-E no longer exists as a unifed entity is Lineage 2. On an aside note it is really poor form for one non-leader member of an organization this large to come to the official game forums and start a thread asserting certain things on behalf of the organization. Especially when every word in it is tinged with bitterness and vitriol. Cao
Marichek	Posted - 2004.04.24 03:20:00 - [11] cao, all of us that were in F-E from the beginning and watched it die know exactly why such bitterness exists. however, I completely agree with posting threads on corp theft to raise awareness of both is occurances and its effect on the corp. assets are assets, and while many of us were self-sufficient, many were not. DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.04.24 04:21:00 - [12] Quote: Anyways, just a warning. And don't trust Vultair (if he hasn't already sold his account on e-bay). Keep a real tight eye on ebay to see if he will sell the account because if he does then he ripped the corp off to profit from it in real life wich is against the EULA and you will get everything back. Also contact CCP and have them track down the ISK and the items if he moves it to alternitive account to sell that account on ebay, wich also is against the EULA. When you contact CCP ask them to check if the account ownership is changed since that implies he sold it, also ask CCP to check if sums of ISK are transfered to an account that does not belong to him wich would imply he sold ISK on ebay wich again is against the EULA. So to make it short, keep an eye on him and if he breaks the EULA then you get the stuff back from CCP. *Spawn of the Devil*
Marichek	Posted - 2004.04.24 04:24:00 - [13] thanks omniwar, i'll make sure we do that! DannyThe Great > i have an urge to kill anyone who isnt in my corp and has a smaller ship.
a176	Posted - 2004.04.24 04:38:00 - [14] Internal corruption
Darzerb	Posted - 2004.04.24 06:14:00 - [15] I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. ------------------
Val Duane	Posted - 2004.04.24 06:30:00 - [16] Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. I'm telling you now, they all secretly have Female human characters that they play in every now and then...and like to see them run bent over in those short minis....
Jim Raynor	Posted - 2004.04.24 06:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. killing dogfoxes in L2 is fun, I see no reason not to repeat the process 10,000,000 times over, oh wait.. ------ ROBBLE ROBBLE
Spruance	Posted - 2004.04.24 06:43:00 - [18] While I was never a big fan of FE I'm saddend to hear about this theft. In the end we all play to have fun and corp thieves definitely take some fun out of the game. Maybe someday alts will be forbidden and people will really have to suffer the consequences forever of their actions. Reginald Spruance III
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.04.24 07:21:00 - [19] At least he used his main account to be a total fking loser. It would be so funny if CCP cleared his account before he could sell it on e-bay and you guys got your stuff back LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!**
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.04.24 08:17:00 - [20] Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. killing dogfoxes in L2 is fun, I see no reason not to repeat the process 10,000,000 times over, oh wait.. Its more fun to kill newbs in a forrest nearby a noob town and gain actually _nothing_ over it and then have 24!!!!!!! arses contacting you and asking you if you know how lame you are, how it will break the community and how sad low life you really are... __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Robotek Hybrid	Posted - 2004.04.24 11:13:00 - [21] Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. killing dogfoxes in L2 is fun, I see no reason not to repeat the process 10,000,000 times over, oh wait.. Its more fun to kill newbs in a forrest nearby a noob town and gain actually _nothing_ over it and then have 24!!!!!!! arses contacting you and asking you if you know how lame you are, how it will break the community and how sad low life you really are... ... i know what u mean fyi ive got 40k karma how mutch o got? :P --------------------------------------------
Azure Skyclad	Posted - 2004.04.24 11:21:00 - [22] First off. Hangar theft does stink royally. As far as low down goes, this one is scraping it's belly in the filth. That said, it just reinforces peoples difficulty in taking so called "Reformed Pirates" seriously. I'd suspect it was at the back of FE's mind that it could happen so i doubt you're all too surprised. If it did take you by surprise then it shows a worrying level of naivete on the part of your leadership. Still, sad to see it happening. Whomever the victim La Maison de tous Les Plaisirs Star Fraction http://www.voodoorockers.co.uk/
Admiral IceBlock	Posted - 2004.04.24 16:36:00 - [23] Edited by: Admiral IceBlock on 26/04/2004 13:06:41 Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. killing dogfoxes in L2 is fun, I see no reason not to repeat the process 10,000,000 times over, oh wait.. Its more fun to kill newbs in a forrest nearby a noob town and gain actually _nothing_ over it and then have 24!!!!!!! arses contacting you and asking you if you know how lame you are, how it will break the community and how sad low life you really are... ... i know what u mean fyi ive got 40k karma how mutch o got? :P which server is that? i might come for a visit!!!! "We brake for nobody"
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.04.24 16:58:00 - [24] GG to the Forsaken Empire and thanks for providing us all with a little game content. Corp thieves suck. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
UBERSOLDAT	Posted - 2004.04.24 17:32:00 - [25] Sorry to see you guys go, good luck. ------------------------------------------------ Place the mission first, never accept defeat, never quit and never leave a fallen comrade behind.
Jacob Molari	Posted - 2004.04.24 19:07:00 - [26] Btw, this post was not meant to be vitriolic in anyway, I simply wanted to answer questions, before rumors started spreading. And I also wanted to let people know what can happen when too many people have too much access to corporation assets. As for the end result of the breakup of the Forsaken Empire, well, some members are returning to their pirate roots, which should be good for those of you who say "pirating is dead", and all the anti-pirate types. Others want to stay "legit", and join existing corporations. Most within the Curse Alliance, but a few outside. Believe it or not, the Forsaken Empire was an attempt at going legit, just like any other corporation or regional alliance. The fact that it failed perhaps means a return of traditional pirating, which some people actually enjoy. Good luck to all. ~Molari Out.
The End	Posted - 2004.04.24 19:21:00 - [27] Burp
Noemie	Posted - 2004.04.24 20:19:00 - [28] HAHAHA this is the hottest thing i seen in this Game! :D Corps Thievery! HAIL to the thief! He got guts! Bet he got a big bounty on his head! Teams of Pirate et PvPer... what did you expected! LOL Does pirates have feeling nowadays? LOL Stop crying these event make the game more tense in a full PVP server! Think of it, it's boring when everyone his friendly and polite... you need bandit! ROLEPLAY! -------
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.04.24 20:21:00 - [29] Th Forsaken Empire Failed because of one reason LIMITED SOUTHERN REGIONS!!!!! ;) Perhaps they were top heavy Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Alexandra Belani	Posted - 2004.04.24 20:23:00 - [30] Quote: I'm telling you now, they all secretly have Female human characters that they play in every now and then...and like to see them run bent over in those short minis.... Purrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Like this sig? Check out my sig shoppe.. Zen Jakkaru - "Alexandra Belani (Most sexy terr
Jadrut	Posted - 2004.04.24 20:25:00 - [31] my mid regions arent limited, theyre rather bountiful infact, i eat too much
Reptar	Posted - 2004.04.24 21:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Reptar on 24/04/2004 21:37:41 damn if only i could have logged in recently..... EDIT: Can somebody please tell hupa to give my my ISK???
GATORAN	Posted - 2004.04.25 00:08:00 - [33] yay Reptar it was AGES ago.. last time i saw you, that was when you killed xeaon and i killed ya in ecp. heh psst, i still have your drones in ecp ;) you got a bounty yet? :P *read more in my ingame bio! Welcome
Presidio	Posted - 2004.04.25 01:32:00 - [34] I can't beleive I am saying this, but. Sorry to see you break up like this FE. I played L2 for couple of weeks. All I am going to say is skill system in EVE owns the one in L2. - "Passivity is fatal to us. Our goal is to make the enemy passive." Mao Tse-tung
Tyrrax Thorrk	Posted - 2004.04.25 01:57:00 - [35] Sucks. Liked having F-E around so I could go attack a legit corp and pretend to be killing pirates :/ http://eve.klaki.net/
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.25 03:46:00 - [36] Noemie, I mostly agree with you. If people can pull these stunts off and live with themselves, then more power to them. SO LONG AS it isn't for the purpose of selling it for IRL money on ebay or otherwise - I can't respect that. The reason why I only "mostly" agree with you and not "entirely" agree with you is that I think there are some very basic deficiencies in the corporation management systems that allow these things to happen when they shouldn't be able to. For example, why isn't there an option to give a 24 or 48 hour request window when one director tries to withdraw stuff from a corporation hangar? The OPTION should be there - of course it doesn't have to be mandatory. There are other ways that control could be tightened, such as preventing items in certain hangars from leaving the station without a certain amount of time notice or other people's approval . . . Anyway, but since we are playing with the rules we are given, more power to whoever it was that pulled off the heist. As I said, regarless of how much it actually was, its a ****in game, and in the long run, who cares. Cao
Synapse Archae	Posted - 2004.04.25 04:30:00 - [37] 1. Played lineage 2 2. Made a lvl 18 Human mage 3. Realized the entire game was a lvl treadmill toward an obvious endgame (who needs balance when you can jut make a guaranteed best set and be done with it?) 4. Went back to Eve. 5. Gave my L2 friends buddy program invites to eve. --------------------------------------------- [/IMG]http://millerfam.org/eve/synapse_logo.jpg[/IMG] Everyone deserves a chance to live. My job is to make sure they get it.
Childeric Kaldor	Posted - 2004.04.25 04:54:00 - [38] - Stopped Eve in August 2003 - Tried Lineage II on 3 different closed betas - Tried Lineage II on 3 different OPEN betas - Killed many monsters for... money and a little XP. - Gotta BORED and being a PK killer (I hate noob killers, so I kill them :P) - Found this game really nice, but too boring (except PvP system I found really as nice as the first Lineage one was). - Reactivated my Eve account and really ENJOY to be back in a game with VARIOUS things to do, with real POLITICS, ECONOMY, COMMUNITY, and developpers with some ideas. Finally, I'm really not ready for Asian MMORPG's. ------------------------------------------------- ½ To be too busy is some danger +
Zen Later	Posted - 2004.04.25 10:46:00 - [39] Haven't had a chance to talk much lately with many friends from Eve as I'm yet another that has been wrapped up in another MMO that shall remain nameless . We (what used to make up a major part of the F-E leadership) know what has happened and we have a pretty good idea what has happened as well. It isn't near what JM layed out either folks and has been classified NUNYA for the GP. Is the F-E dead? The F-E as it was known maybe dead but many of it's former members are far from it. More like in hibernation for the time being while one game proves it can sort it's multiple problems out...many of us are content to wait for soon doing something else while soon gets here. (On a personal note many promising things are swirling around for the "next big patch". We'll see if it can be delivered or more soon deadlines are created.) One thing that I am sad to see is the likes of whom have taken up the vacuum during our hibernation. Eeesh is all I can say and GL new tenants and be wary...the landlords could re-awaken at any moment.
Sally	Posted - 2004.04.26 07:50:00 - [40] Glad someone screwed F-E. This bunch of identity changers and unhonourable people truely deserved it. -- Stories: #1 --
Cardassius	Posted - 2004.04.26 08:14:00 - [41] Originally by: Azure Skyclad First off. Hangar theft does stink royally. As far as low down goes, this one is scraping it's belly in the filth. That said, it just reinforces peoples difficulty in taking so called "Reformed Pirates" seriously. I'd suspect it was at the back of FE's mind that it could happen so i doubt you're all too surprised. If it did take you by surprise then it shows a worrying level of naivete on the part of your leadership. Still, sad to see it happening. Whomever the victim Same happened to Coalition Navy of CFS, former pirate went pirating again and stole all the equipment he could steal. ASCI Recruiting!
DREAMWORKS	Posted - 2004.04.26 09:14:00 - [42] Originally by: Robotek Hybrid Originally by: DREAMWORKS Originally by: Jim Raynor Originally by: Darzerb I don't understand why people play s_h.it games like lineage 2. killing dogfoxes in L2 is fun, I see no reason not to repeat the process 10,000,000 times over, oh wait.. Its more fun to kill newbs in a forrest nearby a noob town and gain actually _nothing_ over it and then have 24!!!!!!! arses contacting you and asking you if you know how lame you are, how it will break the community and how sad low life you really are... ... i know what u mean fyi ive got 40k karma how mutch o got? :P Dunno, deinstalled the game yesterday, played it during DT. I remember having a killcount of 60+ __________________________ http://www.nin.com/visuals/thtf_hi.html
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:05:00 - [43] yawn more jealous F-E detractors, I love it. glad we could **** you off.
Xavier Perez	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:22:00 - [44] Well I'd be lying if I didnt say I expected this. You make your bed with people of low morals, and you have to sleep in it. Doesn't matter if its online or not.
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:33:00 - [45] Originally by: Xavier Perez Well I'd be lying if I didnt say I expected this. You make your bed with people of low morals, and you have to sleep in it. Doesn't matter if its online or not. Another idiotic post! For some reason people think that if you pirate in EVE you have low morals. It's a game FFS, peoples actions within a game do not define their actions/Beliefs outside a game. Ever played GTA Vice city? YOU DAMN CRIMINAL YOU!
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:35:00 - [46] Originally by: Noemie HAHAHA this is the hottest thing i seen in this Game! :D Corps Thievery! HAIL to the thief! He got guts! Bet he got a big bounty on his head! Teams of Pirate et PvPer... what did you expected! LOL Does pirates have feeling nowadays? LOL Stop crying these event make the game more tense in a full PVP server! Think of it, it's boring when everyone his friendly and polite... you need bandit! ROLEPLAY! This post IMO grants the slender reply of..........................STFU! Did someone pod kill or something? poor child
Frakri Hogsto	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:35:00 - [47] Edited by: Frakri Hogsto on 26/04/2004 13:44:14 Originally by: Noemie HAHAHA this is the hottest thing i seen in this Game! :D Corps Thievery! HAIL to the thief! He got guts! Bet he got a big bounty on his head! Teams of Pirate et PvPer... what did you expected! LOL Does pirates have feeling nowadays? LOL Stop crying these event make the game more tense in a full PVP server! Think of it, it's boring when everyone his friendly and polite... you need bandit! ROLEPLAY! This post IMO grants the slender reply of..........................STFU! Did someone pod kill or something? poor child Damn Double Posts!!!!
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:56:00 - [48] Sorry to hear it FE, I was only drinking with Hupa and a few others in London a few weeks ago Checked out lineage 2, I hate fantasy crap, EvE's not fantasy is it --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
DeathBunny	Posted - 2004.04.26 15:43:00 - [49] :( Thats what happened to you guys. Thats truely low. Taking every last dime in a corp is just a way to make people quit. Its truely a low way to go in a game. We want more people in the game and just some decide to ruin it for the people that already are in the game. Sad very sad. *Fear The Bunny*
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.04.26 16:26:00 - [50] As much as it pleases me to see the horrible brand go I despise traitors like this guy. As you've said, out of game and ingame morals isn't necessarily the same thing, keep thinking so. Regardless of the owner of that account make it your business to kill him till the end of time, after all there are legit reasons so it can't be classified as harassment. It would also send a signal to everyone thinking about eBaying an account buy or sell. Convert Stations
Lord Azraiel	Posted - 2004.04.26 17:11:00 - [51] Well, seeing my good friend Vultair being accused of something like this, I just can't sit by and watch this without putting forth some defense of him. I have played with Vultair since the early days of my EVE time back in the corporation Macrosoft, which has been restarted. This was back in early August. I played with him since then, in macrosoft, then in valkyrie, then for a few days in F-E. He is an honest person. He actually stated many times when i would bring up corp theft that it is low and bad etc etc etc. Now, I don't know the details, but iirc, he stopped playing in favor of playing DAOC. I don't know what he did with his account, but I do not believe it was the true vultair that perpitrated this crime. "I'm comin' for ya, and Hell's comin' with me!"
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.04.26 18:15:00 - [52] bye bye Havoc baby This is not a hijack
Havocide	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Lianhaun bye bye Havoc baby i aint gone... yet
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:12:00 - [54] Originally by: Havocide Originally by: Lianhaun bye bye Havoc baby i aint gone... yet I have to call your name and your there? I can live with that This is not a hijack
Cao Cao	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:24:00 - [55] What really peeves me are people who reply to a thread without reading the whole thing. Deathb!tch, seriously babe, that isn't "what happened to us." If you read just a little further down the page you'd realize that the corp theft happened after Lineage 2 beta opened and 90% of F-E began playing over there fulltime. Moreover, I seriously doubt if anybody other than the O.P. spent more than 5 minutes lamenting about the monopoly money that was "stolen" from the corporation. 1.5 billion isk, if it even was that much, big f'ing deal. Can make that doing less than a week of a corporation mining operation. Yes it is low, blah blah blah, dishonest, crappy, whatever. Even a pain in the ass should we decide to come back to Eve on a permanent basis. Did it ruin F-E? NO. In fact, I would say that Lineage 2 has brought us all together even tighter as a group. I'd watch out if I were any of you nooblars in RKK sitting pretty in your nice shiny rented station. Just remember you're on leased time and it may be "up" at any moment. Cao
Lianhaun	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:34:00 - [56] Cao Cao, really dont get frustrated about it. The people that are really interested why a corp would quit or dissapear would have asked directly instead of assuming. Why bother with the others that dont care enough or prefer to reason with unfounded assumptions? Let them assume as much as they want, and surprise them later. Still hope FE comes back though, soon This is not a hijack
Blockoindi	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:50:00 - [57] Originally by: Cao Cao Did it ruin F-E? NO. In fact, I would say that Lineage 2 has brought us all together even tighter as a group. Cao, have you been taking something? FE is totally split in 2 those who play EVE and those who play L2, actually FE is dead. Those that went to play L2 have demonstrated an infuriating lack of interest in those from their "community" that were left behind. But i dont expect people to play a game just to please others in the corp. So things are evolving but there is a bitter taste left.
Metal Dude	Posted - 2004.04.26 20:00:00 - [58] From personal experience I can tell you that corp. theft sucks, but it makes you stronger. The person responsible is the lowest of the low and heÆll get whatÆs coming to him, one way or another. The label of thief will follow him forever in EVE. Just ask self-proclaimed thief, Agent Shield. IÆm still looking for him every chance I get and I know that he has to be on his toes all the time, because people want to kill him. Unfortunately, most of the time these thieves get away with it and laugh it up at your expanse. Pitiful, IÆll tell you, but thatÆs how it is. People just need to learn from it and not make the same mistake twice. In my opinion (this might be a little radical in some peoples view) but if you want access to BP hangers or corp. wallet, as a CEO I would REQUIER to have that persons RL name, address, phone #, email address, IP address and verify it all. This way if they thought of ripping off a corp., they would have to think about what might happen to them if the do. I donÆt mean that people would go hunt them down or anything, but it would be a deterrent. Sorry for your loss FE. I know how it feels, but hang in there. If there was one thing that sticks out from my whole experience from corp. theft, is how many good people come to your aid and support. Good luck. P.S. Vultair = KOS The truth will set you free * Proud to be ATUK *
Smacktastic	Posted - 2004.04.27 00:03:00 - [59] Why have corporate property at all? People can work for mutual benefit without having to trust each other. ---------------------------------- Moderator @ www.killer-clowns.com
Mongo Peck	Posted - 2004.04.27 16:43:00 - [60] Still got my account .... just taking a break with the others ...... played Eve hard from beta ... Remember F-E ended because the players moved on ... no other reason .............. Mongo speaks !!
Hanns	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:30:00 - [61] Originally by: UBERSOLDAT Sorry to see you guys go, good luck. Ohh well be back, donÆt worry, as soon as CCP pulls there collective fingers out of there collective sphincters, and actually give is something to do in this game, well come back! Dont you worry
Lord Guerdo	Posted - 2004.04.27 17:46:00 - [62] We shall be back when ppl realise that lineage2 sucsk more than EVE does, till then watch this space I mean c'mon, just think about it. What would make more sense then the 3 most hated alliances teaming up to lay waste to the people they all hate anyways? CA is already allied with PA, and TPS lies between the two alliances. Natural allies to be sure. But it's not just that, all but PA (and even some of them) have adopted a "stfu and die, or come and fight us, we don't give a **** what you think or do" philosophy, as well as a PvP Kill everyone not friend kind of mentality. These are the people in eve that kill or convert, the ones dedicated to the death of others, because history, circumstance, and the rest of eve have driven then to do so (except TPS, who are just cool ass pirates ).
nails	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:06:00 - [63] mmm L2 becomes the fall of FE, very interesting. Everyone needs to build another computer and play both at the same time like me. ------------------ http://ota-corps.otaku.jp -- Anime l33t level
Galavet	Posted - 2004.04.27 22:48:00 - [64] Originally by: Mongo Peck Still got my account .... just taking a break with the others ...... played Eve hard from beta ... Remember F-E ended because the players moved on ... no other reason .............. RKK Understood that the Forsaken Empire was off enjoying another game and decided for this reason that it was a good time to strike. Anybody can see the logic behind this. As a corp RKK is based on PvP and I like to think we are halfway decent at it (even if cao cao thinks we are nooblar). The Tribute campaign has proven to be a good time (27 BS kills to 5 Losses) and we have come to respect the brave FE fighters still in eve. We know the area will be contested (as I write this stuck in a station with a ****storm of enemys outside) But Eve would be a very boring place if we all just got along and held hands. So until the UK boys log on in the morning and we claim Tribute for half the day.... Nothing but respect guys.
Zen Later	Posted - 2004.04.27 22:52:00 - [65] Nice to see so much has changed. F-E in system heavily outnumbered and wins. F-E in system at even odds and enemy sits at safe point and/or 400km's away.
Nafri	Posted - 2004.04.27 22:59:00 - [66] Originally by: Zen Later Nice to see so much has changed. F-E in system heavily outnumbered and wins. F-E in system at even odds and enemy sits at safe point and/or 400km's away. Wanna fly with me?
Left	Posted - 2004.04.28 00:36:00 - [67] Originally by: Sally Glad someone screwed F-E. This bunch of identity changers and unhonourable people truely deserved it. Molly click this link.
Sally	Posted - 2004.04.29 03:16:00 - [68] Originally by: Left Originally by: Sally Glad someone screwed F-E. This bunch of identity changers and unhonourable people truely deserved it. Molly click this link. Most overused word on the forums. -- Stories: #1 --

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