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Pesadel0 Minmatar Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:15:00 - [61] Originally by: INZi Originally by: Dungar Loghoth Edited by: Dungar Loghoth on 24/04/2008 04:21:45 Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Auraurious Edited by: Auraurious on 24/04/2008 00:44:14 Whilst were talking about Killboard losses. evil edna will smack anything that isnt a cookie cutter fourm set-up on the tri killboard.. however, she often miss reads the the logic in the madness. He does kno how to pvp and kno what hes doing.. however in my openion hes average. Funny thing is he's right 99% of the time... cookie cutter setups are cookie cutter because they work Of course, he smacks like crazy but thats just because he's edna (also because he's a ginger and a midget irl so he has to make up for it ingame) - I bet he'd smack less if people had actually taken basic advice on fittings though... He is however a terrible PVPer and I'll continue to reiterate this until I die; if you see him in local, don't worry, he'll probably explode on his own All this considered, I'll take any of his "cookie-cutter" set-ups over the embarrassing and terrible losses that have been plaguing the TRI killboard for the last several months. This is the problem with Triumvirate: someone fits 4-sensor-boosters/4-tacking-enhancers, T1 425s, and 3 targeting system subcontroller links on a megathron, for a low-sec gate camp, their gang loses to an un-coordinated group of anti-pirates, and Edna smacks the ** out of them (because one of the ship set-ups is ). Instead of QUAM kicking out someone who obviously doesn't belong in TRI (much like QUAM), there's serious talk about forcing SPA to kick Enda for "smacking the killboard". Grow thicker skin, take criticism, and don't fit a terrible fitting next time. Threatening to kick someone out of the alliance who obviosuly does know what they're doing because someone couldn't be bothered to change their ratting set-up is insane. But than again, when an alliance leader admits to being made "physically sick" over a troll directed at him on coad, you can't expect much better from the people within the alliance. :facepalm: bitter much? can you illumis stop throwing all this crap around you now? you are takeing, what looked as a good idea when angel started your corp, into a big pile of drama attention seeking queen. sure. you are **ed off, fine, whatever, now take it elsewhere. take all that steam and bring it in game. not on the forums. you could've expected that all these so called vets and hot pvpers to have better knowledge. but I guess i was wrong. this is not directed at you personally dungar, I have always had my view on you as a realy good pvper. but now you are wrecking that view and are turning yourself into a D- forum warrior. dont do that. cora didn't ask for this attention, we didn't want this thread to be created, yet your corp took us as part of your bitter crusade against trium wich we are not. This . ------------------------------------------------------------------
Academy CEO Minmatar The Academy.	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:21:00 - [62] I've always found it strange a group like SPA / OSH1T were part of a large (albiet PvP focused) alliance anyway. they clearly enjoy and excel within the nanogang field rather than major BS fleet fights or POS-induced capital warfare, so imo they will enjoy the game more, and TRI can now focus on some bigger picture stuff without getting held back by the nanofag kings
Weeman Caldari Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:23:00 - [63] Originally by: Xiaodown Three, we build corp owned motherships, which see battle often. This silly little carebear corp can field a fleet of 80+ capitals and probably 10 motherships, and does regularly. We also build motherships for other alliance members at a deep discount (at cost; at least 2-3B cheaper than any sell order I've seen on eve-o forums), aiming to strengthen the alliance, not to get rich off of alliance members. Four: GD uses DG rails on his rokh cause he can't fit T2 larges, but wants to set an example by fitting "T2 or better", as is TRI's mantra for ship fits. Embezzled? Who knows, but I do know that he does go wandering around venal looking for faction spawns, plus he has like an army of research alts in empire, so I'd imagine the majority of it is legitimate. And who can begrudge a corp CEO? Show me a CEO of a 200+ person corp who has time to make the money that one of the grunts in his corp does. Wonder how much nync or molle or evil thug or, for that matter, angel goes ratting? This is your problem, motherships are pointless. 10 motherships or 40 dreads, which is more useful to your corp and the alliance? Darkness and his MS buddies place far too much emphasis on them, its very very stupid. Perhaps GD should buy a pvp alt seeing as he has an old non pvp centric chr that CANT USE T2 GUNS? 90% of goons can use tech2 guns, and I don't want to know what kind of excuse you've got for the rest of the failfit. I'm trying desperately hard not to smack, but DORM make it so hard sometimes 'x sniper cerb' - every time that goes in alliance chat an elf dies. Finally, we don't like Edna either so get over it basically.
ragewind Caldari VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:26:00 - [64] 3 of tri's best corp leaving is a shame you will be missed from tri raids to gem all ways seen more of these 3 corps than the rest of tri
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:41:00 - [65] I left Tri before SPA joined but remember Cora folks with fondness, best of luck to you, salut o7 Also the "merger" corps, good luck to you guys, hope it goes well. Would you like to know more?
Gregoriuses Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 10:50:00 - [66] Originally by: Plave Okice I left Tri before SPA joined but remember Cora folks with fondness, best of luck to you, salut o7 Also the "merger" corps, good luck to you guys, hope it goes well. Hvala plave okice :)
Eternal Hatred Amarr Pantsu Garu Limited Technologies	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:04:00 - [67] Didn't Plave make Red and Blue?? So they are now over? Damn. _________________ It's great being an Amarr, isn't it??? :(
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:09:00 - [68] Originally by: Eternal Hatred Didn't Plave make Red and Blue?? Yes Originally by: Eternal Hatred So they are now over? Damn. No But this isn't the place to talk about it, RvB has no place in CAOD Would you like to know more?
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:21:00 - [69] This is so the domestic drama with DORM being the wife working around the house and getting none of the recognition for it as it cannot immediatelly be seen, things seem to be running smoothly on their own. Ironic how it's Angel who called them on being the women of TRI, I guess she's all man. Don't beat yourselves up over this, it was just a question of time really, too many titanic egos in there. Jerry! Jerry! Jerry! These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Ammath Amarr Mentis Fidelis R-I-P	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:29:00 - [70] Dont forget over the last 5 months they also lost EXAN and WR3CK for pretty much the same reasons that the last 3 left.... Trimming deadwood obviously eyeroll Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Goose Hypocrisy A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:37:00 - [71] Originally by: INZi :facepalm: bitter much? can you illumis stop throwing all this crap around you now? you are takeing, what looked as a good idea when angel started your corp, into a big pile of drama attention seeking queen. sure. you are ****ed off, fine, whatever, now take it elsewhere. take all that steam and bring it in game. not on the forums. you could've expected that all these so called vets and hot pvpers to have better knowledge. but I guess i was wrong. this is not directed at you personally dungar, I have always had my view on you as a realy good pvper. but now you are wrecking that view and are turning yourself into a D- forum warrior. dont do that. cora didn't ask for this attention, we didn't want this thread to be created, yet your corp took us as part of your bitter crusade against trium wich we are not. You don't know dungar very well, do you?
Zaethiel D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:53:00 - [72] Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: General Dynasty I'll just let the killboard do my talking after this just as it talks now. The killboard says you have way too much ISK and still don't know how to fit your ships properly (Polycarbed DG sniper rokhs I mean wtf) You do realize isk wise all the corps are fairly similar in isk killed vs isk lost. The Illuminati had one of the worst ratios: Kills:12483 Losses:1411 Damage done (ISK):529680.28M Damage received (ISK):92631.18M Efficiency:85.11% Probably angel losing so many faction fit ships. -----
BLAMMM Minmatar Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:55:00 - [73] Originally by: Plave Okice Originally by: Eternal Hatred Didn't Plave make Red and Blue?? Yes Originally by: Eternal Hatred So they are now over? Damn. No But this isn't the place to talk about it, RvB has no place in CAOD but ... but ... but ... i like it here
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.04.24 11:57:00 - [74] Originally by: Xiaodown long post Much as I am enjoying lolling at the Tri internal dramas I just wanted to say that was a very good and informative post. It's all too easy for people who just want to roam around ganking to slate the effort that people put into the industrial side as if ganking ratters was somehow work or hard and running an industrial side of a corp was really simple and required no effort. .
USS Uessess GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:02:00 - [75] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: General Dynasty I'll just let the killboard do my talking after this just as it talks now. The killboard says you have way too much ISK and still don't know how to fit your ships properly (Polycarbed DG sniper rokhs I mean wtf) You do realize isk wise all the corps are fairly similar in isk killed vs isk lost. The Illuminati had one of the worst ratios: Kills:12483 Losses:1411 Damage done (ISK):529680.28M Damage received (ISK):92631.18M Efficiency:85.11% Probably angel losing so many faction fit ships. Hell yeah maybe if I join this illuminati gang I might get on some killmails and have a great efficiency! -anonymous DORM pilot.
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:13:00 - [76] Edited by: GO MaZ on 24/04/2008 12:15:28 Originally by: Fitz Chivalry Originally by: Xiaodown long post Much as I am enjoying lolling at the Tri internal dramas I just wanted to say that was a very good and informative post. It's all too easy for people who just want to roam around ganking to slate the effort that people put into the industrial side as if ganking ratters was somehow work or hard and running an industrial side of a corp was really simple and required no effort. . And this is where the views of current TRI and SPA / O** (as far as I understand) diverge... IMO at least poses are a way to get a fight out of people who wouldn't fight you otherwise (you force them to fight by dropping posses in their space) - nothing else. When the protection of a region of space is deemed more important than just raping the ** out of people is when I start not caring
Martin Mckenna D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:19:00 - [77] Originally by: Plave Okice Also the "merger" corps, good luck to you guys, hope it goes well. Actualy its 2 TRI corps merging together dont know if jenessa said that.
Evil Edna Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:19:00 - [78] Originally by: Xiaodown Four: GD uses DG rails on his rokh cause he can't fit T2 larges, but wants to set an example by fitting "T2 or better", as is TRI's mantra for ship fits. ~X i like how you ignored the real issue with that rohk, in that it was a sniper rokh with polycarbons on and was lost jumping into r3 unscouted iirc that shows nothing but lack of basic understanding you can crow about pos and building outposts all you like, but a pvp alliance doesnt need any of that nonsence really, thats all secondary to solid pvp corps, which you arnt
XxAngelxX Amarr The Illuminati.	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:21:00 - [79] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: General Dynasty I'll just let the killboard do my talking after this just as it talks now. The killboard says you have way too much ISK and still don't know how to fit your ships properly (Polycarbed DG sniper rokhs I mean wtf) You do realize isk wise all the corps are fairly similar in isk killed vs isk lost. The Illuminati had one of the worst ratios: Kills:12483 Losses:1411 Damage done (ISK):529680.28M Damage received (ISK):92631.18M Efficiency:85.11% Probably angel losing so many faction fit ships. Actually that would be the nyx of ours you killed that's skewing our stats so badly, we left on a 90% ratio.
Kalissa D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:27:00 - [80] Edited by: Kalissa on 24/04/2008 12:32:03 People are talking about what Tri was who werent there so I thought I should give my views on it. It was my alt character that actually created the Triumvirate alliance so you could say I've been here from the absolute beginning. When Tri began on a really really good night on a prepared op we could field maybe 30 people, we owned no space had no politics everyone was a target we despised the northern nap situation as it actively worked against PvP. (still does) But last spring/summer we made the push from Venal into Deklien and secured ourselves some space. The only corp that has left Tri who was there when we made that push is Cora. So we had the space, pretty soon it seemed obvious to us that we may as well get as much ISK from the space as we could, everyone agreed on it it was unanimous, but at the time the moon mineral market wasnt very good and the best that could be hoped for was that the minerals would cover the cost of the sov pos' and maybe make a slight profit to keep for new ships. All this posting from people about what Tri was, how would you know? You werent there! You only joined when we'd become established, we've gained no more territory since your arrival so everything we'd got, we'd got without you. It seems a lot of people moaning seem to be the people who enjoy smaller gangs, and hey we all play this game the way we enjoy it, but you'll never have any effect on the big game that way. Running around in gangs of 15-20 and popping some poor sod in his hulk or NPC'ing Raven, not exactly exciting or challenging is it? But if thats how your like you Eve then fine. All these people having a go at Dorm for how they earnt money when NOT on an alliance op, and these people complaining were'nt even in Tri when Tri really gained it's territory. When an authorized op has been called, Dorm has always dropped what it was doing and been there, and in numbers too. And when you guys moan about Dorm, you really should moan to your own CEO's, as in all the CEO/Director meetings not once, not ONCE did your ceo's ever bring it up as a problem, seems to me like Dorm is getting a lot of flak it doesnt deserve simply because it's easier to blame someone else than look in the mirror.
Plave Okice Universal Securities	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:28:00 - [81] Originally by: Martin Mckenna Originally by: Plave Okice Also the "merger" corps, good luck to you guys, hope it goes well. Actualy its 2 TRI corps merging together dont know if jenessa said that. Yup, they'll make a good corp from the two parties too. Would you like to know more?
Bobby Atlas Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:37:00 - [82] The fittings on ships do not count towards the isk killed/lost ratios, unless TRI board had customized that into things. I think the departure of some great corps from TRI is a shame, an entity that has stood tall and risen so far over the years should have had a bit stronger of a backbone to withstand a situation such as this. At the end of the day however it goes back to the same old crap, PVP -v- Industrial and no matter how you slice it the larger an 0.0 alliance gets, no matter how PVP oriented it may be, can not be ignorant to the industrial needs of such an entity. The 'empire' that is TRI space may be defended and represented by the PVP force but it is the industrial force that has to lay down the assets which claim to the rest of the eve universe what is Tri space. The lack luster desire of PVP forces to manage POS's is fine and all but when you throw ** fits over industrialists who do the job nobody else wants to do you end up in situations where the ambitions of alliance leaders to preserve a larger empire pit them against the PVP force in preservation of the industrial force that lay claim to the assets everyone succeeds upon. I think a real important question though given the current state of eve is who and how are the rich resources in deklein divided among the PVP/Industrial force - Deklein as a region holds 13 dysp and 12 prom moons which equate to roughly 115bn isk/mo**. That is allot of bling bling and one would hope it was being split through the ranks accordingly with the blood and sweat that the membership is putting forward. From the perspectives of those now former TRI members though, it was not and the isk was being hoarded into select groups within the ranks.
Zaethiel D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:42:00 - [83] Edited by: Zaethiel on 24/04/2008 12:49:15 Edited by: Zaethiel on 24/04/2008 12:43:59 Originally by: XxAngelxX Actually that would be the nyx of ours you killed that's skewing our stats so badly, we left on a 90% ratio. Forgot about that. 19 bill isk damage. Corrected that puts you at 73 Bill isk lost which gives you similar stats to DORM. DORM Damage done (ISK):500759.54M Damage received (ISK):74926.1M Illuminati Damage done (ISK): 529680.28M Damage received (ISK): 73631.18M Originally by: Bobby Atlas The fittings on ships do not count towards the isk killed/lost ratios, unless TRI board had customized that into things. It does count Faction mods at fairly accurate prices. -----
Talon SilverHawk Caldari Patria o Muerte	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:53:00 - [84] ahh maybe thats why Spartan had been suicide ganking mission runners in Aramichi hhmmmm Looking for something new to do. Tal
Bobby Atlas Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.24 12:54:00 - [85] Originally by: Zaethiel Edited by: Zaethiel on 24/04/2008 12:49:15 Edited by: Zaethiel on 24/04/2008 12:43:59 Originally by: XxAngelxX Actually that would be the nyx of ours you killed that's skewing our stats so badly, we left on a 90% ratio. Forgot about that. 19 bill isk damage. Corrected that puts you at 73 Bill isk lost which gives you similar stats to DORM. DORM Damage done (ISK):500759.54M Damage received (ISK):74926.1M Illuminati Damage done (ISK): 529680.28M Damage received (ISK): 73631.18M Originally by: Bobby Atlas The fittings on ships do not count towards the isk killed/lost ratios, unless TRI board had customized that into things. It does count Faction mods at fairly accurate prices. If the tri board counts ship fittings into isk dmg done/received then it is in contrast to other boards as a basis of comparison, a sham and merits little to no significance anymore.
Ravelin Eb Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:03:00 - [86] Originally by: Zaethiel words Bear in mind DORM has twice the numbers and OSH*T was formed after TRI took all the space. So if you look at it like that then numbers will be slightly different. Good luck to TRI though, and to cora. _________
Zaethiel D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:05:00 - [87] Originally by: Bobby Atlas If the tri board counts ship fittings into isk dmg done/received then it is in contrast to other boards as a basis of comparison, a sham and merits little to no significance anymore. Why is it a "shame" or sham? It adds significance to the fact that someone said DORM has too much money and loses alot of expensive ships. (the only way to have arelatively expensive ship in tri is for it to be faction fit since the majority of the alliance flys tech II ships.) -----
KTOZ Caldari D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:05:00 - [88] Originally by: Evil Edna Originally by: Xiaodown Four: GD uses DG rails on his rokh cause he can't fit T2 larges, but wants to set an example by fitting "T2 or better", as is TRI's mantra for ship fits. ~X i like how you ignored the real issue with that rohk, in that it was a sniper rokh with polycarbons on and was lost jumping into r3 unscouted iirc that shows nothing but lack of basic understanding you can crow about pos and building outposts all you like, but a pvp alliance doesnt need any of that nonsence really, thats all secondary to solid pvp corps, which you arnt Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
GO MaZ Spartan Industries	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:20:00 - [89] Originally by: Talon SilverHawk ahh maybe thats why Spartan had been suicide ganking mission runners in Aramichi hhmmmm Looking for something new to do. Tal We've been doing it for months
Idaeus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.24 13:23:00 - [90] Originally by: Kalissa It was my alt character that actually created the Triumvirate alliance so you could say I've been here from the absolute beginning. When Tri began on a really really good night on a prepared op we could field maybe 30 people, we owned no space had no politics everyone was a target we despised the northern nap situation as it actively worked against PvP. (still does) I loved you guys then. It always seemed so easy for LordVodka to **** you guys off (especially EXAN). It got quiet and lonely after TRI picked up and went to Venal.

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