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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:19:00 -
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Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 18:21:35
Is it harassment to bump a guy in an asteroid belt twice, he complains about it and then try to kill him all in high security system?
I ask because a Gm gave me a final warning for this, and i don't see how that is right being as open as eve is and i've never once saw anything that said bumping is harassment. If i bumped the guy 20 times i could understand how this would be harassment but bumping a guy twice, him crying over it in local and then I try and kamikaze him in my Tristan he lives (Epic Fail)so after 15 mins i come back in a vexor and chase him to his new belt (same system) thats the end, harassment? i thought normally when you try to kill someone they run, if chasing after them is harassment then something is seriously wrong. I figured all this was fine since we saw the jihad bombing of countless number of miners from Goonswarm and their reign of terror there, so how is this case truely any different?
Because he cried about it, before i tried to kill, even though it was my intention from the moment i bumped him? To me this isn't the eve i thought i was playing, which i thought was opened ended can pretty much do anything you want except of course "You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game." (Eve EULA) I don't believe i did any of those things, i used no harsh words wasn't offensive other than trying to kill him, but i don't believe that fall under that, please any comments.. and yes i know im a real jerk.. but other than that is this truely that bad? |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:21:00 -
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Bumping someone repeatedly in high-sec space is considered harassment, I believe.
Why? Well, unlike virtually any other form of "griefing" in EVE, there's literally nothing you can do about it short of never undocking or leaving high-sec. |
Yuleth Gix
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:22:00 -
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Doesn't sound like harassment to me. If I was you'd i'd petition it, if you're really telling us the whole story it should be cleared up. |
Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:22:00 -
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You bumped him twice...
Fail2Kill
and then give a little chase...
Visit me please.. I'd love to have a chuckle while mining. |
Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:29:00 -
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Did petition and the Gm i talked with if you call it that, pretty much said the other Gm thought it was harassment, thats it, didn't look into just left it like that. I believe the orginal Gm felt more compelled to do this because there was a group of three, while i tried to kill the one, i think they all posted harassment on me even though i playing around with mainly with the one guy. Further its worth noting that they said i was messing with a new player, I didn't Check which i guess is bad, but he was a month old and in a retriever, doesn't seem to be to young and he was in a .7 or .8 which had rats in the belts... |
Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:31:00 -
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 Originally by: Gone'Postal
You bumped him twice...
Fail2Kill
and then give a little chase...
Visit me please.. I'd love to have a chuckle while mining.
Tristan (2 Rockets, 2 blasters) trying to killing a retriever in 10 secs with no other mods isn't that easy to do you know |
AeonPhoenix
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:32:00 -
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Edited by: AeonPhoenix on 24/04/2008 18:34:52
Maybe it is in the rules, but damn what a crybaby for making a petition about it. No better then a telltale playground snitch over a double bump.
I remember last I did anything like this it was a hauler I bumped in a belt once and he went flying, It was a spare of the moment thing as I went there to rat, yet he was ranting in local for about 10 minutes, I didn't try and suicide gank him though, never occured to me at the time. |
Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:38:00 -
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I'd say this story is missing vital parts. Probably the smack talk on local and that the OP is a repeating offender, hence the "final" warning. |
Face Lifter
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:38:00 -
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Is bumping macro miners at belts also harrassment?
It's one of the few non-violent ways in which honest player can disrupt their farming operations. Why should CCP protect those farmers? |
Tarminic
Black Flame Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Face Lifter
Is bumping macro miners at belts also harrassment?
It's one of the few non-violent ways in which honest player can disrupt their farming operations. Why should CCP protect those farmers?
CCP applies the same rules to all players. Unfortunately this includes farmers.
However, no macrominer is going to petition you. It'd be like a pedophile asking the FBI to investigate whether someone defrauded him.  |
Siresa Talesi
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:46:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
Did petition and the Gm i talked with if you call it that, pretty much said the other Gm thought it was harassment, thats it, didn't look into just left it like that. I believe the orginal Gm felt more compelled to do this because there was a group of three, while i tried to kill the one, i think they all posted harassment on me even though i playing around with mainly with the one guy. Further its worth noting that they said i was messing with a new player, I didn't Check which i guess is bad, but he was a month old and in a retriever, doesn't seem to be to young and he was in a .7 or .8 which had rats in the belts...
(Boldface added for emphasis)
Repeated bumping is clearly defined as harassment.
Specifically targetting one player for greifing-type behavior is also defined as harrassment.
Messing with a new player? Harrassment.
CCP has clearly stated their position on all these activities several times in the past. So to answer your question: yes.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Repeated bumping is clearly defined as harassment.
Specifically targetting one player for greifing-type behavior is also defined as harrassment.
Messing with a new player? Harrassment.
CCP has clearly stated their position on all these activities several times in the past. So to answer your question: yes.
And thus endeth the thread. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.04.24 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Repeated bumping is clearly defined as harassment.
Specifically targetting one player for greifing-type behavior is also defined as harrassment.
Messing with a new player? Harrassment.
CCP has clearly stated their position on all these activities several times in the past. So to answer your question: yes.
And thus endeth the thread.
AND IN A BELT OF ALL PLACES!!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! I DEMAND A REFUND!  |
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
AND IN A BELT OF ALL PLACES!!!! THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! I DEMAND A REFUND!
Stop channelling your customers... 
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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:05:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
I'd say this story is missing vital parts. Probably the smack talk on local and that the OP is a repeating offender, hence the "final" warning.
No i spoked no smack talk, some people called me some bad words, which i can't repeat in forums but i didn't reply them back to anyone. And also for repeated bumping... two bumps seriously? i get that all the time, does that mean if i report people for it they will start getting final warnings for it? Try undocking in a trade hub and tell me some guy wont start bumping you in nano-ship... And repeat offender? Nope first time i actly purposely was bumping someone....
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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:06:00 -
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Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:08:54
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:07:37
Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Originally by: Jing Kai
Did petition and the Gm i talked with if you call it that, pretty much said the other Gm thought it was harassment, thats it, didn't look into just left it like that. I believe the orginal Gm felt more compelled to do this because there was a group of three, while i tried to kill the one, i think they all posted harassment on me even though i playing around with mainly with the one guy. Further its worth noting that they said i was messing with a new player, I didn't Check which i guess is bad, but he was a month old and in a retriever, doesn't seem to be to young and he was in a .7 or .8 which had rats in the belts...
(Boldface added for emphasis)
Repeated bumping is clearly defined as harassment.
Specifically targetting one player for greifing-type behavior is also defined as harrassment.
Messing with a new player? Harrassment.
CCP has clearly stated their position on all these activities several times in the past. So to answer your question: yes.
So then if someone kamikaze kills me and not the person next to me also, they are harassing me? Also a Month old is a new player? time shouldn't show a new player or not, due to alts and crap, i saw a guy in a retreiver mining with a group of people... doesn't seem that new..
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
So then if someone kamikaze kills me and not the person next to me also, they are harassing me?
If they go after you, and only you, repeatedly, and for no reason, then yes.
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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:10:09
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jing Kai
So then if someone kamikaze kills me and not the person next to me also, they are harassing me?
If they go after you, and only you, repeatedly, and for no reason, then yes.
I wasn't repeatedly, i failed the first time, so i went for a 2nd time... he lived first time... so don't think that should count as being repeated
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
I wasn't repeatedly, i failed the first time, so i went for a 2nd time... he lived first time... so don't think that should count as being repeated
Read Siresa Talesi's comment again and take special note of the added emphasis – there was repetition on your part.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:10:09
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jing Kai
So then if someone kamikaze kills me and not the person next to me also, they are harassing me?
If they go after you, and only you, repeatedly, and for no reason, then yes.
I wasn't repeatedly, i failed the first time, so i went for a 2nd time... he lived first time... so don't think that should count as being repeated
And then you followed him to a new belt....
He left the area and you STILL went after just him, by definition that is harrassment 
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Hawkspur Firestarter
Amarr
TiS Industries
Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:17:00 -
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I don't see how bumping someone in a belt twice is harassment. Sounds to me like the GM in question just got his knickers in a twist over nothing.
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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:19:00 -
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Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Originally by: Jing Kai
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:10:09
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Jing Kai
So then if someone kamikaze kills me and not the person next to me also, they are harassing me?
If they go after you, and only you, repeatedly, and for no reason, then yes.
I wasn't repeatedly, i failed the first time, so i went for a 2nd time... he lived first time... so don't think that should count as being repeated
And then you followed him to a new belt....
He left the area and you STILL went after just him, by definition that is harrassment
So if your trying to kill someone, they warp to a new belt, you stop trying there, if thats harassment then damn i harass and get harassed alot... i think pvp is just a giant game of harassment then! OFC when your trying to kill someone u chase them?! wth why would you stop just cause they ran?
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:21:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 24/04/2008 19:22:55
I canflip and then just blow up the ore for kicks. How is bumping much different? Or suicide ganking? CCP really needs to update some game rules and define what exactly is harassment in EVE and what is just gameplay.
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Feilamya
Minmatar
Pelennor Swarm
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:22:00 -
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If it is harassment, then I don't understand why. It looks completely arbitrary to me, something you have to know before you undock in a > .5 system if you don't want to put your account in danger.
That's why I use highsec only for logistics and trading. I prefer to play the game without a lawyer at my side all the time. I might change my mind if I ever get so bored of playing the game the normal way that I have to resort to metagaming to have fun. For this, highsec should be the perfect playground.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
So if your trying to kill someone, they warp to a new belt, you stop trying there
You stopped there, but you didn't begin with trying to kill him. Again, re-read the entire line of events as highlighted above.
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Tippia
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
I canflip and then just blow up the ore for kicks. How is bumping much different?
One immediately obvious difference is that canflipping means he can fight back.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
So if your trying to kill someone, they warp to a new belt, you stop trying there, if thats harassment then damn i harass and get harassed alot... i think pvp is just a giant game of harassment then! OFC when your trying to kill someone u chase them?! wth why would you stop just cause they ran?
Try this a little clearer:
1) You didn't have shoot rights, check
2) He wasn't a war target, check
3) You previously bumped him in the belt when there were others around to mess with also, check
4) You already tried to suicide him, check
5) You followed him to another belt, check
6) You went after him again even though others were around, check
You decided to single out one specific person. By CCP's definition, greifing is singling out one player with the interest in driving them from the game or purposely interfering with their play. It is the primary reason that Wardecs do not follow an individual and that they can leave corp when there is a dec.
Had you made suicides at other players in the meantime, dorked around with other players' cans and generally caused mayhem to players OTHER than that one you could have argued the point and probably won. But by singling one person that is unattached to you in any way other than they exist, you made yourself vulnerable to a GM action.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Jing Kai
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:46:18
Because he was the one who was crying about it the others, as in other group other people in belts, not just him and they didn't cry about it, so i didn't continue to mess with them, i stole from everyone in that belt... he cried about me taking 25 ore out of his can that had like 10,000 ore in it so i bumped him twice and cried more so i attempted to kamikaze him... |
Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:56:00 -
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Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Falcon Troy
I canflip and then just blow up the ore for kicks. How is bumping much different?
One immediately obvious difference is that canflipping means he can fight back.
How do haulers fight back when they get suicide ganked? |
Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 19:59:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:46:18
Because he was the one who was crying about it the others, as in other group other people in belts, not just him and they didn't cry about it, so i didn't continue to mess with them, i stole from everyone in that belt... he cried about me taking 25 ore out of his can that had like 10,000 ore in it so i bumped him twice and cried more so i attempted to kamikaze him...
Hey, we are just explaining why the GM might have viewed it as harassment since you asked for an explanation. We didn't write the rules, we only get warned when we skirt around them just like everyone else.
Did you make SURE to put in your petition that you retaliated because of him smacking you in local? I know harassment petitions have been denied in the past because ISK changed hands or because of smack in local. Did you make SURE the GMs were told the whole story and WHY you did it?
Other than that you already have your answer from 2 GMs *shrugs*
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 19:46:18
Because he was the one who was crying about it the others, as in other group other people in belts, not just him and they didn't cry about it, so i didn't continue to mess with them, i stole from everyone in that belt... he cried about me taking 25 ore out of his can that had like 10,000 ore in it so i bumped him twice and cried more so i attempted to kamikaze him...
Here we have it. You made yourself an annoyance to several people, 'messing around with them'. While they might have not 'cried' on local about it, some most likely petitioned you. The GM was probably watching your activity when you got petitioned again and you got a prompt response to your activities.
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Gentle Miner
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:06:00 -
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ha+rass (h-rs, hrs)
tr.v. ha+rassed, ha+rass+ing, ha+rass+es
1. To irritate or torment persistently.
2. To wear out; exhaust.
3. To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.
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[French harasser, possibly from Old French harer, to set a dog on, from hare, interj. used to set a dog on, of Germanic origin.]
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Gridwalker
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:28:00 -
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The last time I was bumped was to get my hauler off a can so he could grab my ore. Perfectly timed and beautifully executed.
It's all about intent, which is pretty difficult to judge. This guy didn't intend to harass me. He wanted my ore, and he took it in elegant fashion. If he swooped in and continued to bump me over and over, however, what option would I have? I can't attack him. And if I move belts and he follows me and continues? When does it become harassment vs. just playing the game?
And that is probably the crux of the matter. Some GM handbook somewhere probably says "If the accused follows the accuser into another belt and continues with the behavior, it shall be considered harassment and a butt kicking is in order." Your downfall was likely when you followed him.
Just my opinion.
-Grid
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Shogun Archer
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:32:00 -
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check
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gridwalker
The last time I was bumped was to get my hauler off a can so he could grab my ore. Perfectly timed and beautifully executed.
It's all about intent, which is pretty difficult to judge. This guy didn't intend to harass me. He wanted my ore, and he took it in elegant fashion. If he swooped in and continued to bump me over and over, however, what option would I have? I can't attack him. And if I move belts and he follows me and continues? When does it become harassment vs. just playing the game?
And that is probably the crux of the matter. Some GM handbook somewhere probably says "If the accused follows the accuser into another belt and continues with the behavior, it shall be considered harassment and a butt kicking is in order." Your downfall was likely when you followed him.
Just my opinion.
-Grid
Bumping you to take your stuff isn't harassment, its theft. Constantly bumping you might be considered harassment, depending on other circumstances. Continually bumping one person when others are around is likely to be considered.
Bump several times, suicide, follow to another belt, continue... You will get a warning every time unless the GM can be shown you had cause to do it. The OP's failure is that he either didn't have cause, or he didn't make that clear.
Basic rule of thumb: If you are singling out one person and constantly going after them regardless of what they do (move, dock and come back later, etc) then you are likely to get bit.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Asuka Smith
Gallente
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.04.24 20:51:00 -
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I recommend playing however you want and if they threaten you elevate it to a senior GM... Also, say stuff like 'I am trying to run these guys out of system so my friend can mine in solitude in this system' or something... That right there is a legitimate reason. Much like real law you just gotta know how to play the game and you can do whatever you want.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siresa Talesi
Repeated bumping is clearly defined as harassment.
Specifically targetting one player for greifing-type behavior is also defined as harrassment.
Messing with a new player? Harrassment.
CCP has clearly stated their position on all these activities several times in the past. So to answer your question: yes.
The OP's question has already been answered. Don't see why this thread is still continuing. Apparently OP is trying to redefine the word 'repeatedly'.
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:19:00 -
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Originally by: Jing Kai
Edited by: Jing Kai on 24/04/2008 18:21:35
Is it harassment to bump a guy in an asteroid belt twice, he complains about it and then try to kill him all in high security system?
I ask because a Gm gave me a final warning for this, and i don't see how that is right being as open as eve is and i've never once saw anything that said bumping is harassment. If i bumped the guy 20 times i could understand how this would be harassment but bumping a guy twice, him crying over it in local and then I try and kamikaze him in my Tristan he lives (Epic Fail)so after 15 mins i come back in a vexor and chase him to his new belt (same system) thats the end, harassment? i thought normally when you try to kill someone they run, if chasing after them is harassment then something is seriously wrong. I figured all this was fine since we saw the jihad bombing of countless number of miners from Goonswarm and their reign of terror there, so how is this case truely any different?
Because he cried about it, before i tried to kill, even though it was my intention from the moment i bumped him? To me this isn't the eve i thought i was playing, which i thought was opened ended can pretty much do anything you want except of course "You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game." (Eve EULA) I don't believe i did any of those things, i used no harsh words wasn't offensive other than trying to kill him, but i don't believe that fall under that, please any comments.. and yes i know im a real jerk.. but other than that is this truely that bad?
Yup, sorry about this. I mean if you wanted to attack someone and take on the wrath on concord - fair play to you. Sadly the carebears are taking over EVE bit by bit 
Why the guy just didn't dock for a while, go to another system?
Whilst your bumping twice was an accident, your attacks were not. Ok, so you screwed up in the heat of the moment and you got punished by concord and slapped by a GM. You've paid for your crime.
What upsets me is people calling for a GM to do it for them, when a little common sense would previal. *epic sigh*
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Nielas
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Whilst your bumping twice was an accident, your attacks were not.
The OP stated that the bumping was no accident and he did it on purpose to punish the other player for complaining on local that the OP was stealing his ore.
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1717
Minmatar
PROGENITOR CORPORATION
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:34:00 -
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Quote:
used no harsh words wasn't offensive other than trying to kill him
You know, taken out of context that's kinda funny
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:41:00 -
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Edited by: Falcon Troy on 24/04/2008 21:42:40
If I consistently canflip a certain someone daily and not to steal the ore but just deny them ore, that is harassment? Last I checked it was EVE. This guy wasn't just bumping him all day but also stole ore, tried to suicide gank and cause general mayhem for this miner and the surrounding miners int he system. I fail to see the problem unless you want to make it against the rules to cause emotional trauma in EVE.
People seem to miss the point that the OP stole ore from the guy which means he could have shot him down at any time to cease the griefing. He chose not to.
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Ashlee Darksky
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:50:00 -
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Originally by: Nielas
Originally by: Ashlee Darksky
Whilst your bumping twice was an accident, your attacks were not.
The OP stated that the bumping was no accident and he did it on purpose to punish the other player for complaining on local that the OP was stealing his ore.
One slight oversight... nevermind 
He got punished and lost two ships to concord. He did the crime, and the time
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
If I consistently canflip a certain someone daily and not to steal the ore but just deny them ore, that is harassment? Last I checked it was EVE.
Depends on interpretation, but strictly it is petitionable since you are singling out one person, deriving no profit from it and interfering with their game play.
At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
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This guy wasn't just bumping him all day but also stole ore, tried to suicide gank and cause general mayhem for this miner and the surrounding miners int he system. I fail to see the problem unless you want to make it against the rules to cause emotional trauma in EVE.
Re-read, he concentrated on THIS ONE miner. Had he been doing it to all then no griefing
As soon as he ignored other players and followed the person to another belt, the potential for harassment came into play as the other person did perform a reasonable attempt to avoid.
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People seem to miss the point that the OP stole ore from the guy which means he could have shot him down at any time to cease the griefing. He chose not to.
lol, a miner who defends his ore? That is a dead miner...
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Falcon Troy
Caldari
Awesome People Secret Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:55:00 -
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I don't think we play the same game because if we did there would be a lot of mass bans.
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.04.24 21:58:00 -
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Well, here's a basic question:
How else do you compete with NPC corp members without "harrassing" them somehow?
It's the one thing about Eve that I really don't like. The NPC corp shelter from real competition.
Only thing I dislike more than that is people trying to compete from the shelter of NPC corps. Can flippers, suicide gankers, what have you, doing it while safe from a war dec.
Given that, I don't really give a crap what the OP thinks.
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Joe Starbreaker
Starbreaker Spaceways
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:01:00 -
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I'd say if you're picking on one guy deliberately for the sole purpose of annoying him, that's harassment. If you made an honest attempt to suicide him for the KM or the modules, that would be reasonable, or if you were attacking somebody who proved amenable to fighting and you stood a chance of getting a duel out of it, ok. But you were just trying to annoy one specific person who you knew wasn't going to take the bait... that's just being a brat.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Falcon Troy
I don't think we play the same game because if we did there would be a lot of mass bans.
If more people petitioned, we would have clearer rules I would think. As it is no one (or at least very few) do.
I've seen petitions for this behavior work, I've seen them fail. I've seen suicide losses reversed because the attacker followed the other player over 30 jumps away after they left a corp at war. And the attacker got warned.
The rules are very vague, but the theory is simple: don't carry it too far against one individual.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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