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Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.27 22:57:00 - [211] The simple fact is that rent is over due, eviction notice has been served and foreclosure proceedings have begun. The truth will set you free
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:06:00 - [212] Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 27/04/2008 22:37:02 Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 27/04/2008 22:18:36 The timing was fine, everything that could have been gained solely by them switching sides was gained: BoB leaving to attack PB, giving up querious, fountain, and catch quickly, and then giving up on PB once Delve started being attacked. MC's unwillingness to put anything bigger than a battleship at risk in Delve was the only problem. They took no initiative of their own and they did nothing to very little to support coalition offenses despite living in their backyard. From the looks of things they still have this problem even when it's their own space going down. you make a deal with the devil, do you put your kids out infront or hide them away? MC had no faith in goons/red not to turn on them the moment they put the first mom/titan out. And who can blame them. You want to see trust, try Molle taking an entire Styx/You What fleet + 50 caps bridging in .4s where he cant even DD.... on day one. It's the difference b/t a bandwagon campaign and true loyalty. Yeah... well actually no, you have no clue what you're talking about. They would bring out caps on occasions where when there was no risk, and we could have destroyed them easily if we wanted. And aren't both Styx and YW dead now? lol?
Ghaelsto Kakram Mindgamers	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:25:00 - [213] Originally by: Yaay You want to see trust, try Molle taking an entire Styx/You What fleet + 50 caps bridging in .4s where he cant even DD.... on day one. It's the difference b/t a bandwagon campaign and true loyalty. True loyalty is not abusing your RL friendship over a silly game. Besides if Shrike would loose another Avatar he'd kick somebody out of that one and tries pulls another 'got it reimbursed'. You're confusing loyalty with being committed when we are sure we can win.
Yaay Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:26:00 - [214] Originally by: Scavok Originally by: Yaay Edited by: Yaay on 27/04/2008 22:37:02 Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 27/04/2008 22:18:36 The timing was fine, everything that could have been gained solely by them switching sides was gained: BoB leaving to attack PB, giving up querious, fountain, and catch quickly, and then giving up on PB once Delve started being attacked. MC's unwillingness to put anything bigger than a battleship at risk in Delve was the only problem. They took no initiative of their own and they did nothing to very little to support coalition offenses despite living in their backyard. From the looks of things they still have this problem even when it's their own space going down. you make a deal with the devil, do you put your kids out infront or hide them away? MC had no faith in goons/red not to turn on them the moment they put the first mom/titan out. And who can blame them. You want to see trust, try Molle taking an entire Styx/You What fleet + 50 caps bridging in .4s where he cant even DD.... on day one. It's the difference b/t a bandwagon campaign and true loyalty. Yeah... well actually no, you have no clue what you're talking about. They would bring out caps on occasions where when there was no risk, and we could have destroyed them easily if we wanted. And aren't both Styx and YW dead now? lol? YW split, styx was born, last i heard, they were still around in force. Dunno, not keeping up with the south, too busy elsewhere. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=619019IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID
Irongut M'8'S Frontal Impact	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:29:00 - [215] Originally by: Scavok And aren't both Styx and YW dead now? lol? The Nyx with a Styx ticker I can see next to me must be an illusion then. Damn I knew I should have laid off the mescal... -- Join Frontal Impact Racing Team & feel the speed!
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:44:00 - [216] Originally by: Irongut Originally by: Scavok And aren't both Styx and YW dead now? lol? The Nyx with a Styx ticker I can see next to me must be an illusion then. Damn I knew I should have laid off the mescal... Yeah I was just taking a look at their killboard. It's apparently just an EXE knockoff in that they have no leadership of their own and just tag along with BoB everywhere they let them. I imagine all of their talented leadership who isn't making money from their position has already joined bob, and their member base consists pretty much entirely of people whose goal is to leave and join bob itself. So yeah it's not dead, but it's the closest thing to it.
Arondor Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades	Posted - 2008.04.27 23:51:00 - [217] Originally by: Scavok Originally by: Irongut Originally by: Scavok And aren't both Styx and YW dead now? lol? The Nyx with a Styx ticker I can see next to me must be an illusion then. Damn I knew I should have laid off the mescal... Yeah I was just taking a look at their killboard. It's apparently just an EXE knockoff in that they have no leadership of their own and just tag along with BoB everywhere they let them. I imagine all of their talented leadership who isn't making money from their position has already joined bob, and their member base consists pretty much entirely of people whose goal is to leave and join bob itself. So yeah it's not dead, but it's the closest thing to it. bitter much?
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.04.28 00:05:00 - [218] Originally by: Scavok Yeah I was just taking a look at their killboard. It's apparently just an EXE knockoff in that they have no leadership of their own and just tag along with BoB everywhere they let them. I imagine all of their talented leadership who isn't making money from their position has already joined bob, and their member base consists pretty much entirely of people whose goal is to leave and join bob itself. So yeah it's not dead, but it's the closest thing to it. Hehe, nice troll EXE is far from dead, actually it's regaining strength atm to be up for the tasks ahead. And our leadership is pretty awesome I must say. For being such a small ally we have insurance programs and corp dreads for everyone. We are learning from a great teacher, and hey, we have been loyal 110% behind the greater cause of the GBC since 2006, even when it looked very grim at times. When we had to leave our home constellation in Esoteria you didn't hear us cry and moan, we welcomed the change and adapted to it because that step was absolutely logical. We are having a hell of alot fun. ---
Doddy Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.04.28 00:57:00 - [219] OMG! Scavok trolled EXE, now we know we have trully made it in the eve universe \o/
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.28 01:12:00 - [220] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Scavok Yeah I was just taking a look at their killboard. It's apparently just an EXE knockoff in that they have no leadership of their own and just tag along with BoB everywhere they let them. I imagine all of their talented leadership who isn't making money from their position has already joined bob, and their member base consists pretty much entirely of people whose goal is to leave and join bob itself. So yeah it's not dead, but it's the closest thing to it. Hehe, nice troll EXE is far from dead, actually it's regaining strength atm to be up for the tasks ahead. And our leadership is pretty awesome I must say. For being such a small ally we have insurance programs and corp dreads for everyone. We are learning from a great teacher, and hey, we have been loyal 110% behind the greater cause of the GBC since 2006, even when it looked very grim at times. When we had to leave our home constellation in Esoteria you didn't hear us cry and moan, we welcomed the change and adapted to it because that step was absolutely logical. We are having a hell of alot fun. Look where that got fix. You people really are ******* stupid.
Orange Species Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 01:18:00 - [221] Pandemic Legion, glad to see you guys still exist, what you guys up to nowadays after moving out of Delve?
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.28 01:36:00 - [222] Edited by: Martin VanBuren on 28/04/2008 01:36:28 Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Scavok Yeah I was just taking a look at their killboard. It's apparently just an EXE knockoff in that they have no leadership of their own and just tag along with BoB everywhere they let them. I imagine all of their talented leadership who isn't making money from their position has already joined bob, and their member base consists pretty much entirely of people whose goal is to leave and join bob itself. So yeah it's not dead, but it's the closest thing to it. Hehe, nice troll EXE is far from dead, actually it's regaining strength atm to be up for the tasks ahead. And our leadership is pretty awesome I must say. For being such a small ally we have insurance programs and corp dreads for everyone. We are learning from a great teacher, and hey, we have been loyal 110% behind the greater cause of the GBC since 2006, even when it looked very grim at times. When we had to leave our home constellation in Esoteria you didn't hear us cry and moan, we welcomed the change and adapted to it because that step was absolutely logical. We are having a hell of alot fun. Itt corporations jockey for the privilege of being the next fix
Martin VanBuren GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.28 01:38:00 - [223] Originally by: Orange Species Pandemic Legion, glad to see you guys still exist, what you guys up to nowadays after moving out of Delve? dude they're just after the gee effs, arent we all? HAVE WE NOT ALL PLANNED AND FOLLOWED THROUGH WITH OUR PLANS TO ACHIEVE GEE EFFS EVERY TIME AND ALL THE TIME!?
SirMolle Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 04:08:00 - [224] Crap, forgot to update. EIMJ jammer was taken down, all towers reinforced. All this at sunday evening. This would be the 2nd station system in MC's sov 4 constellation with all towers reinforced.
Ohne Minmatar Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.04.28 04:14:00 - [225] Originally by: Orange Species Pandemic Legion, glad to see you guys still exist, what you guys up to nowadays after moving out of Delve? Moved to empire and bought a bunch of hulks.
Zorland Minmatar Detinus Republic	Posted - 2008.04.28 05:16:00 - [226] Originally by: Orange Species Pandemic Legion, glad to see you guys still exist, what you guys up to nowadays after moving out of Delve? The usuall, low sec noob ganks, high sec suicides and other stuff small time thugs do...
ZaKma Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.28 05:40:00 - [227] Originally by: Scavok Edited by: Scavok on 27/04/2008 22:18:36 Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Originally by: Kushion I wonder if it's technically possible for MC to have handled this situation worse. They betray their longtime friends, biggest employer, and most powerful allies - alienating themselves, removing their primary source of income, and ruining their reputation in one go. So instead of building relationships with RSF, they actually manage to **** them off instead, putting them square in the middle of two 800lb gorillas. No real allies to speak of, and hated by everyone around them... yeah, that's going to go well. Couldn't have planned it better! I hereby nominate MC for the Darwin award. Seleene always claimed that they would consider taking a contract against Bob. Its just amusing to see GBC accuse MC while they have been holding a knife behind their backs all along. The timing just was off and MC thanked for being nothing more than cannon fodder. If anyones' reputation would be at stake it would be Bob for their fake friendships. They only wanna be your friend if it suits them. As long as it lasts. The timing was fine, everything that could have been gained solely by them switching sides was gained: BoB leaving to attack PB, giving up querious, fountain, and catch quickly, and then giving up on PB once Delve started being attacked. MC's unwillingness to put anything bigger than a battleship at risk in Delve was the only problem. They took no initiative of their own and they did nothing to very little to support coalition offenses despite living in their backyard. From the looks of things they still have this problem even when it's their own space going down. Oh really? That was the whole point of Tortuga. We never wanted to commit to either side. We wanted to be our own side. Sadly, certain circumstances forced us to go blue with the Coalition to appease those who couldn't wait a week or 2 more. Since you say we never committed anything... where were your dreads again in QY6? Oh that's right, they weren't there so you wouldn't know what we did or did not commit. We decided to help each other out (Tortuga and the Coalition), and we both did what we said we would do. We never made a deal to lead yet another campaign for you. The fact that most of the time a Tortuga fleet would outnumber a Coalition fleet when you wanted us to do something didn't help either. As for the BoB siege... there's not much a force of 100-150 can do against 400. Will we defend? Where possible, yes. Will we suicide our cap fleet? Doubtful. In the end, there are good times and bad times for everyone. A month or 2 ago it was still looking pretty bleak for BoB, it's easy to boast around on the forum now. But hey, what comes around goes around. That's a fact for us as much as it is for everyone else as well. We took a chance with this, and it didn't work out like planned. But I much prefer we get kicked out of 0.0 and do our own thing than be allied with BoB for another few years. ✖ Arachnophobia ✖
Luso Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 06:03:00 - [228] Originally by: Scavok Originally by: Luso Originally by: Scavok Please install terrible pets all over your space again, TIA. Guess what Scavok, the earlier Pets are now BoB and they were who killed your RA titan. And yes, in his time we will be back. whose time? English gramar: I will say "in time"
Iroku Mata	Posted - 2008.04.28 06:34:00 - [229] Edited by: Iroku Mata on 28/04/2008 06:35:40 Originally by: ZaKma We took a chance with this, and it didn't work out like planned. But I much prefer we get kicked out of 0.0 and do our own thing than be allied with BoB for another few years. Big word from a traitor! We will not survive another few years, that the fact. YOU WILL DIE! Bos will not rest till it is done.
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 06:44:00 - [230] Edited by: Darcuese on 28/04/2008 06:44:36 Originally by: ZaKma But I much prefer we get kicked out of 0.0 and do our own thing than be allied with BoB for another few years. I will throw you in Jarun if you come, unless you bring some "dim" from Rijeka Originally by: Iroku Mata Big words from a traitor! You will not survive another few years, thats the fact. YOU WILL DIE! BoB will not rest till it is done. And you are??
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:00:00 - [231] Originally by: ZaKma Oh really? That was the whole point of Tortuga. We never wanted to commit to either side. We wanted to be our own side. Sadly, certain circumstances forced us to go blue with the Coalition to appease those who couldn't wait a week or 2 more. You tried to claim space by gathering allies that dont like POS warfare and didn't realise there was a bit of a flaw in your plan.. i love how you phrase that "certain circumstances forced us" ------------------
Reptar Dragon THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:07:00 - [232] Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 28/04/2008 06:57:31 Originally by: ZaKma As for the BoB siege... there's not much a force of 100-150 can do against 400. Simply pathetic MC -- failure cascade spin operating in full force. Lack of imagination and skill is no excuse against numbers, after all, look how well BoB did in delve against such odds. What are you, ASCN? Nevermind, ASCN actually tried to fight back at times. You know perfectly well BoB had 6+ titans camping select strongpoint cynojammer systems. Be smarter with your arguments, MC is not going to suicide fleets in order to save what terrible space BoB gave them in the first place. If your main's alliance runs itself that way, it won't be around for very long.
Ariko Gunaris Gallente Office of Ganking and Commerce	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:19:00 - [233] Originally by: Reptar Dragon Originally by: Ariko Gunaris Edited by: Ariko Gunaris on 28/04/2008 06:57:31 Originally by: ZaKma As for the BoB siege... there's not much a force of 100-150 can do against 400. Simply pathetic MC -- failure cascade spin operating in full force. Lack of imagination and skill is no excuse against numbers, after all, look how well BoB did in delve against such odds. What are you, ASCN? Nevermind, ASCN actually tried to fight back at times. You know perfectly well BoB had 6+ titans camping select strongpoint cynojammer systems. Irrelevant.
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:37:00 - [234] Edited by: Proconsul Para on 28/04/2008 07:44:15 Originally by: ZaKma Oh really? That was the whole point of Tortuga. We never wanted to commit to either side. We wanted to be our own side. Sadly, certain circumstances forced us to go blue with the Coalition to appease those who couldn't wait a week or 2 more. Since you say we never committed anything... where were your dreads again in QY6? Oh that's right, they weren't there so you wouldn't know what we did or did not commit. We decided to help each other out (Tortuga and the Coalition), and we both did what we said we would do. We never made a deal to lead yet another campaign for you. The fact that most of the time a Tortuga fleet would outnumber a Coalition fleet when you wanted us to do something didn't help either. As for the BoB siege... there's not much a force of 100-150 can do against 400. Will we defend? Where possible, yes. Will we suicide our cap fleet? Doubtful. In the end, there are good times and bad times for everyone. A month or 2 ago it was still looking pretty bleak for BoB, it's easy to boast around on the forum now. But hey, what comes around goes around. That's a fact for us as much as it is for everyone else as well. We took a chance with this, and it didn't work out like planned. But I much prefer we get kicked out of 0.0 and do our own thing than be allied with BoB for another few years. ZaKs, you guys failed to look forward in time properly. Even if the Coalition would've succeeded in driving BoB out of the conquerable stations in Delve - and with terrible losses at that - most of the 400 pilots you see now in PB would've been still flying around, from PR-, FWST or 319, and ready to assist you in defending your constellation, should the Coalition turn on you. But then, you chose to burn the bridge, and for whom !? 0utbreak and Ev0ke !? Where are they now when you're facing extinction out of 0.0 !? Nevermind that, you even chose to go at it without a proper fight, hiding inside POSes whenever our fleet was around, and sticking your head out only when we were committed many jumps away. There you lost the respect: want to be a 0.0 force to be reckoned with, then go at it and show your balls. Otherwise, you're just another version of Interpid Crossing. Furthermore, you chose to alienate BoB by flying and shooting us alongside RSF even when not blue to each-other and claiming you only want to secure PB for Tortuga. That spoke volumes about your moral spine. Now, fast-forward to today. You are losing PB. Your Sov4 constellation is in shambles, and your defending attempts are weak. We witness countless jump-freighters pulling stuff out of PB. It's not even a battle, it's a mop-up. Whoever decided that choosing Ev0ke instead of BoB as your best buddies and allies cost you your 0.0 shipyards and the respect for MC as a fighting force. Was it worth it !? I doubt that. Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
Tzrailasa Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 07:51:00 - [235] Originally by: ZaKma As for the BoB siege... there's not much a force of 100-150 can do against 400. Will we defend? Where possible, yes. Will we suicide our cap fleet? Doubtful. If we followed the MC kind of logic, someone else would now be dining in NOL You seem to be SO worried about loosing virtual internet spaceships that you're not even trying to enjoy the game. Sad really.... Oh, and remember, cyno-jammed systems defended by titans are impossible to take without suffering cripling losses, so you're safe anyway My views are my own. They do not represent the views of my corporation or alliance.
Kryztal Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:26:00 - [236] Originally by: ZaKma But I much prefer we get kicked out of 0.0 and do our own thing than be allied with BoB for another few years. You are in luck cos you are getting kicked out of period basis and MC will never be allied to BoB again wether you like to or not. I do think your comment regarding our friendship is quite weird though because if i look back on our time as friends i see nothing but happy times between us until we had to work together in catch. We work diffrently then MC and our way has never failed us in the past and still hasnt while we all know whats happening to MC now. You may call it "fighting like its 2006" but hey we are still going strong while MC is falling apart. The time we spent in catch together put a strain on our relationship and Mynas smacktalking BoB to our members on our TS only fuelled the fires starting to get lit. Yes we blame Mynas because Mynas was the mouthpiece to all the crap that got tossed at us. Your mistake wasnt to end our friendship, it was you taking our space and in a way backstabbing us by helping the cryolition. Perios Basis is ours and will always be ours, you knew we wouldnt give it up. This is something the MC had planned all a long so dont even think about bull**ting us. You know our spy networks, you had a plan about this way before ETNY joined and way before TC and NSN left. Maybe not the exact same plan but even back then it was beeing discussed how you could screw us over. We still aided you when you needed the help etc. I dont dislike anyone in MC (except Mynas) and i enjoyed beeing friends with MC and i am ofc sad we arent friends anymore. But because of how the MC leadership ended our longterm friendships, by "kicking us while we were down" and taking one of our regions as their own, I'm always gonna want MC dead. Its just tough *** for MC that we bounced back and are now in the process of booting you out of Period Basis. - WE ARE BETTER THAN YOU ! -**
Ghaelsto Kakram Mindgamers	Posted - 2008.04.28 09:54:00 - [237] Originally by: Kryztal Perios Basis is ours and will always be ours, you knew we wouldnt give it up. This is something the MC had planned all a long so dont even think about bull****ting us. You know our spy networks, you had a plan about this way before ETNY joined and way before TC and NSN left. Maybe not the exact same plan but even back then it was beeing discussed how you could screw us over. We still aided you when you needed the help etc. Another great example of Bobs 'unconditional' friendship and it shows how much they trusted their 'closest' friends. This isn't the time to go emo on us Kryztal. You guys knew what you were getting into back then so whining about it now only enhances the entertainment value of this thread. Please keep on trying to talk Tortuga into fighting back. Your need for 'good fights' is hilarious.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.28 10:32:00 - [238] Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Originally by: Kryztal Perios Basis is ours and will always be ours, you knew we wouldnt give it up. This is something the MC had planned all a long so dont even think about bull****ting us. You know our spy networks, you had a plan about this way before ETNY joined and way before TC and NSN left. Maybe not the exact same plan but even back then it was beeing discussed how you could screw us over. We still aided you when you needed the help etc. Another great example of Bobs 'unconditional' friendship and it shows how much they trusted their 'closest' friends. This isn't the time to go emo on us Kryztal. You guys knew what you were getting into back then so whining about it now only enhances the entertainment value of this thread. Please keep on trying to talk Tortuga into fighting back. Your need for 'good fights' is hilarious. sup mc alt? Anyways, you guys turned on us by taking our region, while if you guys just upped and left, things would be completely different for everyone. It's the fact that MC tried to profit of our supposed demise that makes you look like the weak bunch of opportunists that you are. MC chose the only way that would burn every single bridge with BoB. But that's what you get when the people in charge think they are so good compared to BoB.
Ghaelsto Kakram Mindgamers	Posted - 2008.04.28 10:54:00 - [239] Originally by: Tholarim sup mc alt? Anyways, you guys turned on us by taking our region, while if you guys just upped and left, things would be completely different for everyone. It's the fact that MC tried to profit of our supposed demise that makes you look like the weak bunch of opportunists that you are. MC chose the only way that would burn every single bridge with BoB. But that's what you get when the people in charge think they are so good compared to BoB. They chose not to be just another 'throw away' alliance being used as cannon fodder in Bobs heroic stand. So you wanted MC walk away from billions of investments because you couldn't hack it against the coalition? Like I said before. They should have helped wring Bobs neck and try to go on from there. Its hard to predict the future in Eve and there is always a snag or two down the road. Its not like that the whole Tortuga idea is foolproof. What if KIA and MC ended up taking contracts on each other? How much strain would it force upon their agreement?
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.04.28 11:12:00 - [240] Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram Originally by: Tholarim sup mc alt? Anyways, you guys turned on us by taking our region, while if you guys just upped and left, things would be completely different for everyone. It's the fact that MC tried to profit of our supposed demise that makes you look like the weak bunch of opportunists that you are. MC chose the only way that would burn every single bridge with BoB. But that's what you get when the people in charge think they are so good compared to BoB. They chose not to be just another 'throw away' alliance being used as cannon fodder in Bobs heroic stand. So you wanted MC walk away from billions of investments because you couldn't hack it against the coalition? Like I said before. They should have helped wring Bobs neck and try to go on from there. Its hard to predict the future in Eve and there is always a snag or two down the road. Its not like that the whole Tortuga idea is foolproof. What if KIA and MC ended up taking contracts on each other? How much strain would it force upon their agreement? It is this type of rubbish that has put MC into the position they currently are in.. The choice MC had was quite simple.. maintain standings with the group that claimed the region they lived in, leave and fight to take somewhere else or fight to take PB.. they chose to fight in PB and have discovered that they arent going to win.. you can put any kind of moral spin on their choice you like, but the ingame "realities" are much simpler.. if you want to take something from someone without the owner giving it to you, you have to be strong enough to fight for it.. MC arent, werent and the ppl that convinced them they were are the ppl to blame for the mess they are in.. not bob, not MC's membership ------------------

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