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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:04:00 -
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I am just curious if I am the only one reprocessing Civilian AB units into 60 Units of Tritanium? Which, comes out, mind you, to 3.6 ISK/Unit for Tritanium.
Very nice indeed when one needs 500 Million units of tritanium with 500 sell orders in the region at 1 Million units each.... no travel even if overpaying a bit, at the moment at least.
Meaning that the whole shuttle removal hoopla was just so much bull-crap, and made life harder for so many of us who do use throwaway shuttles often.
Anyway, I am taking some bets that CCP will remove the reprocessing of the Civilian ABs as well with the next patch, so heads up to all of you who did not know that yet, go stock up at almost any station on a few million units and stick it to the man.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:12:00 -
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 Originally by: Tommy Meow
Meaning that the whole shuttle removal hoopla was just so much bull-crap, and made life harder for so many of us who do use throwaway shuttles often.
Seriously, can people cry any more about this? If you just HAVE to have a shuttle so badly then pay for it. There is absolutely no reason manufacturers shouldn't profit off of shuttles just like they can on all other ships.
And of course civilian AB's will no longer reprocess at some point, maybe next patch, maybe the patch after that, etc. Does anyone think they will not be changed?
People should stockpile billions of trit now while they can, while it is cheap, it's going to hit 8-10 isk each when the AB's are removed! Buy buy buy and don't sell!
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Dark 'Shadow
Red Research and Developing
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:12:00 -
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If they do indeed do that I will be a very happy person, it will make high sec mining all the more profitable 
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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2008.04.24 22:31:00 -
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All I am saying is that CCP went out of its way to make it all hush.. hush and on the qt.. and then all the grad ole posts, even from the self proclaimed market experts like Shadrale above, and yet, all of it for naught - because they messes up! And did not remove the cap as they promised, and only screwed up the ease of travel for whole lot of people.
So now, I want all those who did not know that the Civilian ABs still cap tritanium at 3.6 to know that - so they can stock the hell up on it as much as they can, and bring the whole scrwd up system about.
I just want people to know they can still get tritanium at bellow 4.0 - so when the cap really is removed it will be years before tritanium ever goes above 4.2
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Ava Santiago
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.04.24 23:19:00 -
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Maybe it was about opening a new kind of market to players and had nothing to do with Trit prices?
And citing any of the "experts" in these forums .. is risky at best. Experts have an error rate... some experts are expert opinion providers and are merely experts at sounding confident.
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Ghreymar LaNayeur
Pariah Corp
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Meaning that the whole shuttle removal hoopla was just so much bull-crap, and made life harder for so many of us who do use throwaway shuttles often.
Seriously, can people cry any more about this? If you just HAVE to have a shuttle so badly then pay for it. There is absolutely no reason manufacturers shouldn't profit off of shuttles just like they can on all other ships.
And of course civilian AB's will no longer reprocess at some point, maybe next patch, maybe the patch after that, etc. Does anyone think they will not be changed?
People should stockpile billions of trit now while they can, while it is cheap, it's going to hit 8-10 isk each when the AB's are removed! Buy buy buy and don't sell!
Its not the difference between paying 9k and 200k for a shuttle that we're complaining about, its the fact that theres not going to be someone manufacturing shuttles in every single station. Shuttles are much faster than noobships, and theres few things more annoying than losing a shuttle, docking up and finding out that the station you're in (and in fact no stations for several jumps) are selling shuttles. And when you're -10 and trying to make jumps across highsec, this happens alot.
Honnestly, they should just make noobships travel/align/warp as fast as bloody shuttles.
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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2008.04.25 01:27:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Santiago
Maybe it was about opening a new kind of market to players and had nothing to do with Trit prices?
And citing any of the "experts" in these forums .. is risky at best. Experts have an error rate... some experts are expert opinion providers and are merely experts at sounding confident.
Actually....
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
...The benefit from removing this price cap is that the price of tritanium will be more in line with the underlying demand for tritanium at any given time...
And...
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
There was a side effect to this though (talking about the shuttles) û an artificial price cap of 3.6 ISK per unit of tritanium...
First of all, the removal of the cap on the tritanium market was indeed the goal, the sudden NPC-made Shuttle shortage, was meant to accomplish - as evident, quite clearly, from the above quotes - readily available, I might add, to anyone who reads the "Information Portal."
Second, it could have been done better, lets face it, they should have just nerfed the refine value of a shuttle, rather than take them completely out, anyway, this was a screwup of even bigger proportions because: the "fix" did not work, they forgot to nerf the Civilian ABs WHICH GIVE EXACT RATIO TRITANIUM/ISK AS SHUTTLES DO, but they did screwed up travel for many of us, in an already "travel-intensive" game.
On the other hand, I completely agree with you when it comes to certain so-called experts and their opinions.
Anyway, I am sure many were already aware of the Civilian Ab/Tritanium/Shuttle connection, not a big deal, I just wan to make sure it is widely known, so any nerf that comes will have minimal impact, and would not be felt for years to come, if people buy them up and stock up on tritanium.
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Kwint Sommer
Lothian Quay Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 02:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Santiago
Maybe it was about opening a new kind of market to players and had nothing to do with Trit prices?
And citing any of the "experts" in these forums .. is risky at best. Experts have an error rate... some experts are expert opinion providers and are merely experts at sounding confident.
Listening to a guy that has no idea what he's talking about is risky at best....
Originally by: CCP Dr.EyjoG
The benefit from removing this price cap is that the price of tritanium will be more in line with the underlying demand for tritanium at any given time...There was a side effect to this though (talking about the shuttles) û an artificial price cap of 3.6 ISK per unit of tritanium...
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EBANK Ricdic
Eve-Tech Savings n Loans
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Posted - 2008.04.25 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Tommy Meow
Shadrale above,
Once again with the incorrectly spelt name 
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2008.04.25 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: EBANK Ricdic
Originally by: Tommy Meow
Shadrale above,
Once again with the incorrectly spelt name
I just can't get any respect!
I sure hope no one is taking my first post seriously, not the part about speculating on trit obviously. The part about people being whining crybabies you should take seriously because I meant that part.
If there aren't enough shuttles circulated about then that is a marketing opportunity for someone. If the demand is truly there for a shuttle in every station then it should be a lucrative market. If the demand is indeed a heck of a lot lower than some here are making it sound then (which seems more likely) then the invisible hand will sort things out.
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Amarr Citizen 155
Alternative Methods Research Group
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Posted - 2008.04.25 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
I just can't get any respect!
I sure hope no one is taking my first post seriously, not the part about speculating on trit obviously. The part about people being whining crybabies you should take seriously because I meant that part.
If there aren't enough shuttles circulated about then that is a marketing opportunity for someone. If the demand is truly there for a shuttle in every station then it should be a lucrative market. If the demand is indeed a heck of a lot lower than some here are making it sound then (which seems more likely) then the invisible hand will sort things out.
I agree with you and show you much respect Shardarle. I mean Shadale, Shardale, Shad arle, Shadarl, Shedarle, Shaquille O'Neal. Oh who knows the true spelling, I'll just stick with ass as its shorter and easier to spell. :p j/k
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Petyr Baelich
Taggart Transdimensional
Virtue of Selfishness
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Posted - 2008.04.25 04:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
If there aren't enough shuttles circulated about then that is a marketing opportunity for someone. If the demand is truly there for a shuttle in every station then it should be a lucrative market. If the demand is indeed a heck of a lot lower than some here are making it sound then (which seems more likely) then the invisible hand will sort things out.
Truth.
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Segge Bolled
Caldari
Dirty Sexy Pilots
New Age Solutions Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.04.25 06:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ava Santiago
Maybe it was about opening a new kind of market to players and had nothing to do with Trit prices?
Shuttle Tycoons (Online) ?
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Jackie Fisher
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:02:00 -
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Are Civilian ABs sold by NPC corps in every station?
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Dariah Stardweller
Kuruwasu Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:17:00 -
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Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Are Civilian ABs sold by NPC corps in every station?
Just noob systems if I recall correctly.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:41:00 -
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Already pointed out, but let's repeat it:
Removing the shuttles and not removing the civilians AB has a interesting effect: it cap the price of tritanium in high sec near the starting stations (the systems where those modules are sold by NPC). The further away you go from those systems the lesser effect the cap has (a simple effect of the transport cost and the negative compression value of the AB).
That make mining tritanium for local markets away from the central area of empire more interesting. Not a bad move and possibly an intended effect of the change.
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Dasfry
Caldari
Demio's Corporation
Safe And Fun Environment
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Posted - 2008.04.25 08:44:00 -
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In reality I believe what was really going on was the convience of the shuttles available in every station, that set a lot of manufacturing players minds on reprocessing shuttles instead of buying tritantium off the market.
Not buying the trit off the market kept demand low.
other players repocessed the shuttles to sell trit on the market.
Which in turn kept supply high.
The simple logistics of it, was u could get as much trit that u needed for manufacturing with-out hassel and logistics of transporting trit yourself.
Simply by reprocessing shuttles.
In the end what u where paying for trit was mainly the ez access and zero logisitics.
Now that the cheap shuttles are gone, the supply of trit drops, the ez access is gone, and demand for trit goes up, supply goes down and what happens next prices go up.
So then u have more people willing to mine trit because its worth more.
And now u have people actually working on trit logistics.
I wonder how many players believed it was 100% the macrominers fault prices where so low for trit?
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Dasfry, CEO
Demios Corporation
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Jackie Fisher
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Posted - 2008.04.25 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Dariah Stardweller
Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Are Civilian ABs sold by NPC corps in every station?
Just noob systems if I recall correctly.
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My recollection as well.
Anybody know offhand what the largest number you can buy in one go is? Given how little Trit each contains I suspect there is an awful lot of clicking to buy sufficient numbers to manufacture much irrespective of shipping issues.
* = Not pyramid quoting, honest.
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Tasko Pal on 25/04/2008 11:06:20
Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Anybody know offhand what the largest number you can buy in one go is? Given how little Trit each contains I suspect there is an awful lot of clicking to buy sufficient numbers to manufacture much irrespective of shipping issues.
Once you've reached the max NPC sell price for that station and good, you can turn all your isk into civilian ABs in one go.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.04.25 11:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Originally by: Jackie Fisher
Are Civilian ABs sold by NPC corps in every station?
Anybody know offhand what the largest number you can buy in one go is? Given how little Trit each contains I suspect there is an awful lot of clicking to buy sufficient numbers to manufacture much irrespective of shipping issues.
I think it is 8 mil+ in each station. If you want you can put a buy order at the price you want for the quantity you want and the sell order will refresh and satisfy it until the sell price go above you buy price or you buy order is fulfilled.
I did the same thing in reverse selling several hundred gallentean planetary vehicle in 1 go at a buy order for 10 vehicles. They were all sold in less than 1 second and the buy price didn't changed.
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.04.25 17:39:00 -
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Just FYI, the Civilian ABs are available around empire, and not just "Noob Systems" you can find them at almost any "School Station" in ample abundance.
I actually went out and bought myself a few million and reprocessed them into tritanium, beats trying to collect small orders all over the place or paying over the NPC value to the speculators who think that they are the only ones who know about the Civilian ABs and trying to sell massive amounts of reprocessed tritanium for 4 ISK per unit.
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Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 18:06:00 -
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Hmm... if it is like you say, I bet civ AB:s will have their mineral content stealth nerfed one of these days and anyone stocking up on them will be royally screwed.
Removing the civ AB:s would be detrimental to the new user experience, and I doubt CCP will do that.
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Ulstan
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Posted - 2008.04.25 18:36:00 -
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Quote:
Just FYI, the Civilian ABs are available around empire, and not just "Noob Systems" you can find them at almost any "School Station" in ample abundance.
I thought basically all the 'school systems' were the noob systems? O.o
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.04.25 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Ulstan
Quote:
Just FYI, the Civilian ABs are available around empire, and not just "Noob Systems" you can find them at almost any "School Station" in ample abundance.
I thought basically all the 'school systems' were the noob systems? O.o
Naww, I am in Sinq Laison... and here is a list of stations that have Civilian ABs:
CAS, Fed Navy Academy, Uni of Cali. All those stations are strewn all over the place not just in noob systems. Any "School" type station will have the Civ Abs . For me personally it was just one jump from the "school" station to my fed navy station where I refined all the stuff at 0 loss. |
Barbicane
TGUN Industries
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Posted - 2008.04.25 21:05:00 -
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Yup... I verified it now. Each civilian afterburner refines into 60 trit and NPC stations sell them in unlimited numbers for 216 isk a piece => trit for 3.6 isk p.u.
I still bet that's about to change in the near future. Beats me why the OP felt the need to broadcast this info - he could have made some nice profit from it.
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Macon Squaredealer
Squaredeal Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.04.25 21:08:00 -
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NPC shuttles should have been taken off the market the day players had the ability to build shuttles.
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Tommy Meow
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Posted - 2008.04.25 21:37:00 -
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Originally by: Barbicane
Yup... I verified it now. Each civilian afterburner refines into 60 trit and NPC stations sell them in unlimited numbers for 216 isk a piece => trit for 3.6 isk p.u.
I still bet that's about to change in the near future. Beats me why the OP felt the need to broadcast this info - he could have made some nice profit from it.
The reason why I have broadcasted the information is because:
1) I have already made quite a significant profit, close to 4 billion to be exact, on reprocessing and reselling the NPC made tritanium. Seems people who need 500 mill or more are willing to pay 4 or above per unit for the convenience of having it all in one place.
2) Because it ****es me off when such a great idea like the removal of the tritanium cap was accomplished by making so many people's lives miserable in the process because of shuttles.
3) Because I want everyone to know about it, since I believe I have reached a personal cap in maximizing my profits and I want to ruin it for all other resellers by making the general public aware of it, so they can capitalize on it as well, thus shrinking the market for something else I have in mind....
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Xintki
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Posted - 2008.04.25 22:07:00 -
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People are buying trit for more than 3.60? I think I need to find a new market... |
Zhecao Vai
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.04.26 01:50:00 -
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Is this some kind of joke? I don't think I've gotten in a shuttle in my life. Why would you fly one instead of a frigate or a newbie ship?
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Generic Generalization
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Posted - 2008.04.26 02:44:00 -
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Edited by: Generic Generalization on 26/04/2008 02:43:51
Shuttles!
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