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Michael Torrez
Zervas Aeronautics
Otas Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:21:00 -
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why can they help war targets and REDS what is the purpose of this ? the way i see if you kill or shoot that ship he can come in something worst and the shoot back .....so can someone tell me what is the point ????????? |
Outz Xacto
Echelon Munitions
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:35:00 -
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Michael Torrez wrote:I'm mad people have friends
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Batelle
HOMELE55
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:37:00 -
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Outz Xacto wrote:Michael Torrez wrote:I'm mad people have alts
fixed. |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:52:00 -
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Problem?
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Salcon Cliff
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.01 16:53:00 -
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Yes, that is the point.
What exactly is the confusion?
If a WT gets help from a logi, then the logi essentially becomes a 'can flipper' (all the same rules apply). |
Michael Torrez
Zervas Aeronautics
Otas Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:04:00 -
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Outz Xacto wrote:Michael Torrez wrote:I'm mad people have friends
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) |
Michael Torrez
Zervas Aeronautics
Otas Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:10:00 -
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Salcon Cliff wrote:Yes, that is the point.
What exactly is the confusion?
If a WT gets help from a logi, then the logi essentially becomes a 'can flipper' (all the same rules apply). Well, except, I guess if you are in an alliance, then the whole alliance gets kill rights.
Damn, we need to fix that can flipping.
just wondering...it never happened to me but it seems cheap abit...i think if a logi help a ship that was red to another and it gets get blow up.it should not be able to switch ships and attack you back...it should be a consequence of repairing that ship that was red |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:15:00 -
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Welcome to highsec. |
Michael Torrez
Zervas Aeronautics
Otas Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:18:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:Welcome to highsec.
srry am in low sec
my carebear cherry has been pop XD |
Lady Spank
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
1655
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:28:00 -
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Why dont you just shoot them?
(a¦á_a¦â) ~ http://getoutnastyface.blogspot.com/ ~ (a¦á_a¦â) |
Karl Planck
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Posted - 2012.03.01 17:43:00 -
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yea, this thread is full of bad, holy crap.
OP is in the shallow end of the pool acting like he just got hotdropped by titans.
If you don't like it, you should go and ride your Emo high-horse all the way back to WoW.
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MisterNick
The Sagan Clan
Pax Romana Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.01 18:08:00 -
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If this is happening in lowsec you do have guns/launchers/EWAR y'know
"Fools! I'll show them all!"
What do you mean that one's already taken? |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
354
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:55:00 -
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What would be the point of logistics ships if they couldn't assist people who are fighting? |
Zarific
Frekmacinations
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Posted - 2012.03.01 20:56:00 -
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The bigger problem is the fact that logi's do not get an agression timer started when they rep so their station games are a pita.
The repping mechanic should be the same as the attack mechanic. If I'm fighting somone, and they get reps, that person shouldn't be able to immediately dock up/etc.
That's the broken mechanic, imo. If they wanna jump in, let them jump in but under the same rules as everyone else.
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OT Smithers
Cult of Baal
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:03:00 -
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Zarific wrote:The bigger problem is the fact that logi's do not get an agression timer started when they rep so their station games are a pita.
The repping mechanic should be the same as the attack mechanic. If I'm fighting somone, and they get reps, that person shouldn't be able to immediately dock up/etc.
That's the broken mechanic, imo. If they wanna jump in, let them jump in but under the same rules as everyone else.
Exactly. Certainly this should be the case in high sec at least, and I am open to it everywhere. If you want to undock your carrier and start repping, you should not be able to dock until the aggression timer expires. I also think it would be a fine change if people were blocked from docking inside a carrier while under aggression, or even pointed.
Yes, I know, I can hear the wails of outrage from the candy-ass station clinging carrier heroes already. Whatever.
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
355
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Posted - 2012.03.01 23:36:00 -
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I just want to hear how loud Nexus Havoc is going to cry. |
Deen Wispa
Screaming War Eagles Incorporated
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Posted - 2012.03.02 00:45:00 -
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OP must've been decced by God Squad and their 6 neutral logis :)
If you want Empire and FW space enhanced, Hans Jagerblitzen for CSM7
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=66900&find=unread |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
237
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Posted - 2012.03.02 02:48:00 -
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Logistics adopt aggression timer of ship they are repping.
/thread
-áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
Michael Torrez
Zervas Aeronautics
Otas Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.02 05:11:00 -
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well try it out today shot a logi today the guy came back in a legion never again ...still when i saw him i just ran i knew it was going to happen it bs |
Onictus
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
97
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Posted - 2012.03.02 08:09:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:OP must've been decced by God Squad and their 6 neutral logis :)
You left out .....per shooter. |
Ikeo58
Vermis foramen Industrius
Union 0f Revolution
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Posted - 2012.03.02 10:49:00 -
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I agree with the OP.
If you get Wardec'd by a Corp they should have the Balls to fight and Win instead of Using Cheap tactics to turn the fight. I had a fight with 2 vindi's and a fleet typhoon and they only won as they had 3 RR guardians helping.
I'm not crying about it but would be nice if the Guardians then had to take part in the War for as long as the Dec lasts, at least you know what your facing.
Oh and also, it's always the bad ass "Merc" corps who use this tactic, not so bad ass i have to say.
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Ikech
Godless Horizon.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:22:00 -
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Michael Torrez wrote:why can they help war targets and REDS what is the purpose of this ? the way i see if you kill or shoot that ship he can come in something worst and the shoot back .....so can someone tell me what is the point ?????????
okay heres what you do, get yourself a few ecms ships and **** their logi up, no lock. no rep
You then just have to be careful if they come back is all! |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
237
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Posted - 2012.03.02 13:53:00 -
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Ikech wrote:Michael Torrez wrote:why can they help war targets and REDS what is the purpose of this ? the way i see if you kill or shoot that ship he can come in something worst and the shoot back .....so can someone tell me what is the point ????????? okay heres what you do, get yourself a few ecms ships and **** their logi up, no lock. no rep You then just have to be careful if they come back is all!
ECM doesn't really work on station in high sec, if you attack the neuts they will dock and then undock. Either they'll undock and continue repping, or they'll undock in combat ships.
It's one of the many reasons high sec wars are a joke, hopefully CCP will deal with all of the problems with it in inferno.
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Tah'ris Khlador
Space Ghosts.
Cold Hand of Shadow
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Posted - 2012.03.02 18:33:00 -
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Ikeo58 wrote:
If you get Wardec'd by a Corp they should have the Balls to fight and Win instead of Using Cheap tactics to turn the fight. I had a fight with 2 vindi's and a fleet typhoon and they only won as they had 3 RR guardians helping.
Lol. That was funny. You know they never even turned on the logi right? You all just melted because it was 2 vindi's and a fleet phoon. |
M1k3y Koontz
Taxes Suck Inc.
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:08:00 -
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Onictus wrote:Deen Wispa wrote:OP must've been decced by God Squad and their 6 neutral logis :) You left out .....per shooter.
Lol yea.
Anyone ever try to wardec in Dodixie? There's people who just sit there and neutral RR all day. THEY ARENT EVEN ALTS, they are just neutral RR for hire lol |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
249
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Posted - 2012.03.03 18:16:00 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Lol yea.
Anyone ever try to wardec in Dodixie? There's people who just sit there and neutral RR all day. THEY ARENT EVEN ALTS, they are just neutral RR for hire lol
Some of them aren't even neutral RR for hire 
I used to sit on the undock every now and then in amarr/jita when I was bored, if I saw a fight going on I'd start repping both sides until someone attacked me. Then I'd undock a vindi, warp my other RR alts onto the top of the station and **** them xD
-áhttp://i.imgur.com/aWNfM.jpg |
GenesisMike
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.04 03:58:00 -
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Deen Wispa wrote:OP must've been decced by God Squad and their 6 neutral logis :)
Yea, we went through that and had a fun grouping of fights with them. Ultimately you beat that with EWAR. It is tough but if you are organized you can accomplish one of two things... you can either kill their RR when they go "red" or you can force them off the field by docking/warping. Neuts work best for this as most good Neutral RR setups run ECCM in my experience (The God Squad). Either the Reppers are forced to dock/undock again and again and that is fine since while they are docking they are not repping and have to relock targets, or they are gonna die/be useless. Just figure out a counter to it, don't try and complain about someone using a strategy. It may be annoying but it can also be fun to overcome it.
To reference one such kill.
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=15366315
Mike |
Khanh'rhh
One Man Rodgering
841
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Posted - 2012.03.04 17:01:00 -
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This is a good discussion on the issue: http://cry-moar.blogspot.com/2012/02/misunderstood-aspects-of-highsec-pvp.html
tl;dr - exactly HOW would forcing the logi ships to be in corp affect anything?
I would support logi getting a 1min docking timer on repping, but I imagine having a beneficial action get flagged as aggressive is outside of the ability of the current crimewatch code, so I assume fixes like this need to wait a little while.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Reppyk
The Black Shell
60
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Posted - 2012.03.04 19:26:00 -
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1mn agression timer + 7 days killright on the logi, for everyone that shot the logi target.
RR neutral fixed. |
Simi Kusoni
The Synergy
Cascade Imminent
259
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Posted - 2012.03.04 22:49:00 -
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Reppyk wrote:1mn agression timer + 7 days killright on the logi, for everyone that shot the logi target.
RR neutral fixed.
So now any gang fighting on a gate or on station with logistics cannot retreat, as to do so would wipe their logistics.
Now I don't mind solutions that try and fix high sec PvP, but please don't suggest solutions that effect real PvP out in null/low sec.
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