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Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.26 12:19:00 - [1] WE get rid of all sentrys and concord in empire space? what whuld happen then ? i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... Maybe alliances will form to goverment empire space? whuld be intresting prycological test -------------------------------------------
Amox	Posted - 2004.04.26 12:24:00 - [2] Originally by: Siddy i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... quote] And thats why it would never happen. 4000 carebears would leave the game. Then CCP couldnt break any more records. Your Tachyon Beam Laser I perfectly strikes Blood Oracle, wrecking for 722.3 damage.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.26 12:37:00 - [3] No trolling please - Zhuge Liang Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Ruffio Sepico	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:30:00 - [4] Originally by: Darken Two Yea gotta agree there all the carebears will leave and then it will just be the rest of us. Now you might think thats a good thing but the carebears are a very important part of the eve economic model. So making them leave = we end up mining for blown up ships But on a theoretical level if noone actually left it might be kinda cool if this was actually done. How about the game would close down, because the amount of people you label carebears is the part of the players who make EVE a float in the real world as well. No pay, no play... ;-) Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk HiD Kills: http://eve.hidden-agenda.co.uk/kill_list.php
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:46:00 - [5] What a **load of bull**. Some ppl sound as they really think that they are better than others, just because they label themselfs as being badass PvP masters. The term Carebear is degrading and the ppl who use it must be the same ppl who chase the fat kid around in school There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Clipped Wings	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Tiwaz What a **load of bull**. Some ppl sound as they really think that they are better than others, just because they label themselfs as being badass PvP masters. The term Carebear is degrading and the ppl who use it must be the same ppl who chase the fat kid around in school I'll tend to agree with you on that one. I've yet to use the word carebear in other situations than when being sarcastic towards pirates. Equally, I think people are beginning to remind me of why I don't play CS anymore, when I see people constantly labelling each other as n00bs. Seriously, at some point we were all new to this game...What kept me in it, partially, was that people didn't see down on me just because I was new. On the contrary. ;) -Clipped Wings of LFC "I believe in the theoretical benevolence, and practical malignity of man." ~William Hazlitt
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.26 13:50:00 - [7] Edited by: Darken Two on 26/04/2004 13:53:38 Whoa dudes cool it, its only a game. And read the title it says what if, noones asking for anything to be changed. Further more read my post more carefully,I never said I was badass PvPer as some guy put it. Im as carebear as the next guy. I mine I make ships then I shoot ppl and more often than not get blown up. So easy on passing out judgement on people. I also pointed out that the game woudnt work without the 'carebears'. I said it would be a cool idea if noone left becos of it, no where did I actually ask for a change. So get off your high horses please. Ps. Read siddy's post its more of a question about what would happen not a request for change. No need for flames here. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Tiwaz	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:11:00 - [8] Well im sorry if i came on a bit harsh there. But really.. ive read quite a few posts where ppl talk bad about other players just because they spend their time in EVE mining in empire space. Most of us have done it so whats the problem. I am for one happy that is is very hard to kill ppl in empire space without a official war. It gives players the fredom to do what they like in peace, that being mining or agentrunning. Eventually most ppl get tried of this and wanna try something else. Welcome to 0.0 space and corp wars There is no innocence, only degrees of guilt. Only we are Righteous.
Bellicose	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:19:00 - [9] once AGAIN i must second what Clipped Wings said Who needs a shovel when you have a nice big cannon? KittenArmy capn' crimson
ClarCE	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:26:00 - [10] Most of you know how much I hate the word Carebear, so I won't use it: Its like the property ladder in real life. First Time Buyers = Law Abiding Citizens Remove that bottom rung of the ladder, and the rest completely falls apart, no one can move house, and everybody suffers. Same applies to this IMO. --'The Way is Shut'-- ----------------------- Jenny...Get to the Chopper---Stick Around -----------------------
DampJim	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:45:00 - [11] to me the word Carebear is a person who is nice to other ppl like helping them and such things. Pirates who use the word Carebear as a negative word is just stupid. Carebears are good for the people guys ... but so is pirates ------------------------------------------ Reallife.dll is not found..... The Xel'Naga Corp forums (ingame to register) #xel'naga @ quakenet.org
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.26 14:53:00 - [12] Edited by: Darken Two on 26/04/2004 14:58:13 k we goin off topic here but what the hell. Firstly the word carebear only has any meaning you put to it. Anyone who sees it as an insult is free to think of it as an insult. Same could be said for word like pirate, ganker, exploiter, alliance *** etc. I dont see why people should be ashamed of what they do ingame. If I wanna mine I mine and I couldnt give a rats ass if someone called me a carebear. If I wanna gank gates I do it and I dont care about being called a ganker. As far as Im concerned its only an insult if you want it to be. Btw Im an alliance * and I dont care. I do what I want to make the game fun for me. So pls quit with the "u used this or that word to insult me" bull**. Ps. what if we removed the forums and all chat and mail facilities ingame that way noone would talk to anyone and so noone can take offense at percieved insults. Seriously sometimes you people make me mad with this nonsensical pedantry. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.04.26 15:41:00 - [13] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 26/04/2004 16:16:06 Originally by: Tiwaz What a **load of bull*. Some ppl sound as they really think that they are better than others, just because they label themselfs as being badass PvP masters. The term Carebear is degrading and the ppl who use it must be the same ppl who chase the fat kid around in school Thank you. I agree It could also be the fact that they were the fat kid in school getting chased around. But yes, what would happen? What would happen is that some people would go on on a killingspree in Empirespace. Killing everything they see. People who join the game realise that there is nothing their 2 day old char can do undocked but to be blown up. I'm pretty sure I'd quit playing a game like that. "Policing" against altchar slaughtermonkeys is the most timetaking, nonrewarding and boring thing you can do in this game. -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Prodigious	Posted - 2004.04.26 16:18:00 - [14] i suggested this idea a while ago and got flamed for it. personally, i think it would work out great after a while and inspire (maybe even force) teamwork within the community. i love it cuz ppl would have to pvp to survive, and uh.. i love pvp. not enuf pvp in eve atm, so... yeah.
SlightlyMad	Posted - 2004.04.26 16:54:00 - [15] Edited by: SlightlyMad on 26/04/2004 16:56:29 Not enough PvP in Eve is total bull Pack your stuff and head out to an alliancespace of your choice. Then you will get all the fighting you want. Defining "PvP" as not being able to attack anyone you choose doesn't hold. I can understand arguments that PvP is lacking in the gamemechanics aspect. But I disagree 100% that its hard to find a fight. * -"You know, we play the "good guys" right? We kill pirates, griefers, retards and general subversive elements in the EVE-Community. To the rest, we are friendly and always prepared to help out. Peo
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.26 17:19:00 - [16] Edited by: Siddy on 26/04/2004 17:20:10 - point was not abaut the PVP - point was: i am intrested abaut Totally unsafe Space dynamicks Humans are pack animals - they seek cover, and comppany from large groups it whuld be intresting to see what kind of factions will arous after anarchy period becaus even "PVP" players get bored of mindles slaughter fest eventualy -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.26 17:21:00 - [17] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 26/04/2004 17:39:39 Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 26/04/2004 17:27:48 Originally by: Siddy WE get rid of all sentrys and concord in empire space? what whuld happen then ? i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... Maybe alliances will form to goverment empire space? whuld be intresting prycological test you wish. so do i, actually. But i wouldn't hold my/our breath and i have the most incongruous image of you singing "imagine." hehh... edit after reading those replies again - you know uh, i think we underestimate the 'carebears,' by which we really mean the peaceniks. The ones perfectly happy to mine away and worry about 5k NPC rats Fact is, right now, they get splashed in their indys by suicide kestrels - and we just broke the 10k record. They get whacked for wandering into alliance space - and wonder WTF "nice try altspy" means. They get ganked the first time they go looking for something better than omber in 0.4 space - and yet they still here. For every screaming freaked-out peacenik here - which is think is more accurate for the population we're discussing than "carebear" - polite or rude, smacky or civil - there are a hundred more who don't post at all, for a minute shrug and move on. In fact, killing CONCORD and the Sentires would remove the illusion of safety and juuust might make everyone a little sharper. Less afk mining, more moving around. And some of the peaceniks will realize they aren't peaceniks after all, band up, and fight back, when the false security blanket is yanked off and their feet get cold man i may not convince anyone i'm right but i sure know how to stretch a metaphor to death EDIT again: you asked for it... slow lazy piano solo spotlight up on Siddy, gleaming off his shades: Imagine there's no CONCORD It's easy if you try No Sentry Guns below us Even in Yulai Imagine all the suicide kestrels Running far away... Imagine there's no Navies Run by a lunatic CPU No whacked AI to instagank you And no Amarr religion too Imagine all the pilots Armed right to the teeth... You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll duel a 1v1 Imagine no possessions Stored in a jettisoned can No need for OMGWTFGGPWNZ0R All over local chan Imagine all the PvP Spreading all across the world... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Mikelangelo	Posted - 2004.04.26 18:18:00 - [18] Quote: WE get rid of all sentrys and concord in empire space? what whuld happen then ? i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... Maybe alliances will form to goverment empire space? whuld be intresting prycological test Why is it that ebola virus, which has a >90% fatality rate, hasn't killed every human and primate in the world? Specifically BECAUSE it has a >90% fatality rate. If a disease is TOO effective, it will stamp itself out, and only be present in isolated areas away from centers of population. Similarly, if there WERE no sentry guns and CONCORD at all, pirates would not know when to stop, and basically Eve would be dead. Hell, some pirates won't stop shooting when a randsom has already been paid, you really think that they would stop shooting if empire space became a giant free-for-all? Think of CONCORD and sentry guns as barriers to migration of a deadly disease, that doesn't know when to stop. The devs aren't stupid you know.
Zeltan Shadowhawk	Posted - 2004.04.26 18:50:00 - [19] I'm a carebear. I cannot separate how I am in real life to how I am in game. Some can. If I'm morally decadent in game, it makes me feel bad in real life. I'll just happily mine, agent run and whatever else I can do in relative safety, keeping my insurance and clone fees paid and have fun while it lasts. Maybe I'm just too nice, but killing someone in a game just doesn't feel right. There's way too much death and destruction irl. I play games to get away from it. If this game didn't allow at least SOME ability to be a carebear, I'd be gone. Carebears are the majority. Like it or not. No worthwhile game that I can think of has ever been worthwhile if it didn't have a carebear majority. I know some folks like pvp and such, but what boggles me is that some(not_all) somehow think it makes them superior. They think that no game can possible exist or survive without pvp. I'll go about my business being a carebear. You won't ever have your fun ruined in a game due to pvp/griefing/exploiting and be able to say it was my fault. I like my fun and I sure have no desire to ruin someone else's.
Gariuys	Posted - 2004.04.26 18:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Mikelangelo Quote: WE get rid of all sentrys and concord in empire space? what whuld happen then ? i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... Maybe alliances will form to goverment empire space? whuld be intresting prycological test Why is it that ebola virus, which has a >90% fatality rate, hasn't killed every human and primate in the world? Specifically BECAUSE it has a >90% fatality rate. If a disease is TOO effective, it will stamp itself out, and only be present in isolated areas away from centers of population. Similarly, if there WERE no sentry guns and CONCORD at all, pirates would not know when to stop, and basically Eve would be dead. Hell, some pirates won't stop shooting when a randsom has already been paid, you really think that they would stop shooting if empire space became a giant free-for-all? Think of CONCORD and sentry guns as barriers to migration of a deadly disease, that doesn't know when to stop. The devs aren't stupid you know. Nice example, I'm afraid however that it actually proves the opposite of what you wanted to say. ~{When evil and strange get together anything is possible}~ A tool is only useless when you don't know how to use it. - ActiveX The grass is always greener on the other side. - JoCool
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:02:00 - [21] Originally by: Bad Harlequin slow lazy piano solo spotlight up on Siddy, gleaming off his shades: Imagine there's no CONCORD It's easy if you try No Sentry Guns below us Even in Yulai Imagine all the suicide kestrels Running far away... Imagine there's no Navies Run by a lunatic CPU No whacked AI to instagank you And no Amarr religion too Imagine all the pilots Armed right to the teeth... You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll duel a 1v1 Imagine no possessions Stored in a jettisoned can No need for OMGWTFGGPWNZ0R All over local chan Imagine all the PvP Spreading all across the world... OMGWTFPWEDROFLMAOH!!!!11111111111oneoneonelven nice one -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.26 19:10:00 - [22] Originally by: Mikelangelo Quote: WE get rid of all sentrys and concord in empire space? what whuld happen then ? i know - at first it whuld be mindless anarchy - but after that anarchy period... Maybe alliances will form to goverment empire space? whuld be intresting prycological test Why is it that ebola virus, which has a >90% fatality rate, hasn't killed every human and primate in the world? Specifically BECAUSE it has a >90% fatality rate. If a disease is TOO effective, it will stamp itself out, and only be present in isolated areas away from centers of population. Similarly, if there WERE no sentry guns and CONCORD at all, pirates would not know when to stop, and basically Eve would be dead. Hell, some pirates won't stop shooting when a randsom has already been paid, you really think that they would stop shooting if empire space became a giant free-for-all? Think of CONCORD and sentry guns as barriers to migration of a deadly disease, that doesn't know when to stop. The devs aren't stupid you know. Peoples get OMGWTFPWNED in 0.4 and even abowe because they THINK they are safe in reality they are not it the concord and other stuff whuld fall apart - it whuld force the poples to defend and band together and majority of EVE corps got enougt recourses to defend them self and if they band together - defend them self even beter + it whuld finaly make mass migration to 0.0 reagion due to "no security anywere - lets get beter ore philosophy" CCP - culd make 1 anarch week to test the idea 1 week spendet to it and after test they whuld roll back to the pre state - so nothing whuld be lost ppls whuld get tast of some freedom and wildenes bacuse in reality - u are safe no were - and it just hurts more if u think u are safe and u die -------------------------------------------
Dreadsword	Posted - 2004.04.27 00:10:00 - [23] Seems like you're the same everywhere I go Siddy/Staalin/whatever... God man, learn to speak English. I know it's been taught to you at school, so why the f**k do you have to make it so hard? We all know you got no skill in the previous game you played, I doubt you have any skill here, it'll be a pleasure to whoop your behind.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.27 00:17:00 - [24] Dreadsword that was neither funny nor clever. Making fun of another persons english is just not nice. For all you know Siddy could be a non native english speaker. So if you got nothing constructive to say STFU Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Dreadsword	Posted - 2004.04.27 00:53:00 - [25] Yes, I know he ain't a native English speaker... Yes, I know it wasn't funny, or even clever, I rarely post either of those. Yes, I know him from before and that's what makes the post rather not-related-to-everyone-who-doesn't. Sorry if I was mean, I meant it.
Dreadsword	Posted - 2004.04.27 00:54:00 - [26] Oh, and think of it more as a challenge than anything else
Admiral Seafort	Posted - 2004.04.27 01:44:00 - [27] Edited by: Admiral Seafort on 27/04/2004 01:47:30 The only problem with the Ebola comparison is that Ebola spreads slowly because it requires that somebody has to CARRY it while they are alive. That's why the longer the incubation period of a virus, the wider the spread. If the infected people die quickly, they don't have time to come into contact with others and transmit it to them. PvP is not the same; it is not something that is carried by a body and trasmitted to the next. However, that is not my problem. I understand your point (I think...), I'm just pointing out what may be a misconception or misunderstanding. I think the most important issue with opening up all of EVE to PvP is that everybody who ISN'T experienced or is still flying a small frigate and getting used to the game will never make it anywhere if they keep getting blowed up. Some people can get help but not everybody can find a friendly BS pilot or a few cruisers at all times to escort, say, and indy that they need to haul their freshly mined-from-a-frigate ore back to station. I'm just saying that the problem lies in the new guys, who would never get anywhere because every time they got enough to advance, they'd die again because it takes experience to learn and if you keep dying then all you'll know how to do is die.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 06:40:00 - [28] Now - that i thot this over night i came in conclusion that Empire space as it is now is nothing but big Fat "rook gard"* (*plase for n00bs to work out) There is not anykind of regional diversity due to overfast Higways (even if they got longer by 5 jumps - its not enought to make reagional diversity, and it was done only to release the overload on yulai) So, Making 0.0 Space betvean reagions whuld make it worth wile - while n00bs and "carebears" still have they space to be whit in(safe and sound - atleast as safe as it get) the true reagions whuld finaly show up - and open countles of possibilities - now many of u see a pirats gankking all the 0.0 gates betvean regions, and i can understand it - but then agen i can also see a Big bands of Indy/BS convoys punching trough the blocade and delivering goods to other region whit considarably higer rate of proffit The proffit will be generated because sertain regions what are short in sertain mineral demands it anyway - and only way to get it is to get it elsewere - this also increase sales -------------------------------------------
Adriana	Posted - 2004.04.27 07:34:00 - [29] Hmmmmm, griefers wanting a game wide gank fest? Wow, I'm so supprised. I'm also unsympathetic. I understand the benefits (yeah, go ahead and come near my can now ore thieves...), the problem is that not everyone flys the same ship, or has the same skill points. What you end up with is a small group of people who fly around and gank newbies all day until they quit. The game suffers, and they shut it down. Once more I will point out that the most successful MMOG's are the ones with controlled (or no) PvP. I've said it before, and I'll repeat myself now that removing PvP from Eve isn't really an option unless they replace it with a viable end game, but there needs to be even stricter limitations in empire space. Some of you will disagree of course, but considering that 90%+ of Eve is 0.0 space, there is more than enough room for all of you out there. The problem is, you don't want real PvP. You don't want an even contest between equally skilled players. What you want is to be able to ruin someone's day. News flash, that's NOT PvP, thats griefing. It's being a bully. It's being whatever form of jerk you want to be so that you can prop up your fragile little ego and call yourself "l337". OMG I WTF PWNED THAT CAREBEAR!!!! Congratulations... your an *******, drive through... Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. -Napoleon Bonaparte
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 08:01:00 - [30] Originally by: Dreadsword Seems like you're the same everywhere I go Siddy/Staalin/whatever... God man, learn to speak English. I know it's been taught to you at school, so why the f*k do you have to make it so hard? We all know you got no skill in the previous game you played, I doubt you have any skill here, it'll be a pleasure to whoop your behind. coug* bull coug i still owned u anyplase anywere and speaking of EVE - this game is like made for me so watch ur 6 old fart -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 08:18:00 - [31] Originally by: Adriana Hmmmmm, griefers wanting a game wide gank fest? Wow, I'm so supprised. I'm also unsympathetic. I understand the benefits (yeah, go ahead and come near my can now ore thieves...), the problem is that not everyone flys the same ship, or has the same skill points. What you end up with is a small group of people who fly around and gank newbies all day until they quit. The game suffers, and they shut it down. Once more I will point out that the most successful MMOG's are the ones with controlled (or no) PvP. I've said it before, and I'll repeat myself now that removing PvP from Eve isn't really an option unless they replace it with a viable end game, but there needs to be even stricter limitations in empire space. Some of you will disagree of course, but considering that 90%+ of Eve is 0.0 space, there is more than enough room for all of you out there. The problem is, you don't want real PvP. You don't want an even contest between equally skilled players. What you want is to be able to ruin someone's day. News flash, that's NOT PvP, thats griefing. It's being a bully. It's being whatever form of jerk you want to be so that you can prop up your fragile little ego and call yourself "l337". OMG I WTF PWNED THAT CAREBEAR!!!! Congratulations... your an arshole, drive through... i never want to it to be a world vide gank fest and the point i am presentting is simpply and a thot abaut "what if" im not whining or asking for anything - all i want to have an intelectual conversation abaut the efekts and aftermaths of world wide remowal of secure space (or the illusion of it) because at the current state, all grefers do is search holes in security system and we get forum full of WTFOMGEXPL0I770r threads ... Zombie whining is perfekt example ... also the secure space is not secure due to the war "exploit" and as long EVE dont have decent Political system - u can lower standings and declare war whit absolutely no reason - the security protecktos only a small timers and n00bs - Granted - secure space is needet to EVE to work - but at the current state of empires and the rout distribution - Empires will be Wastly owercrowdet and bla bla bla bla ... poin is - Diferent Regions of empire must Compeat each other Amar, Minmatar, Galentte and Caldari shuld be compatitors as they are in story line - they shuld be comersial competition and military borders whit no mans land betwean em Why do u think there is Storys abaut Dangerous haulin betwean empire in Storyline? Right now EVE resempbles One country (USA) one capital and sertain major sitys soroundet by lesser sities - and the big sities got fast "railroad" type acsess so in result this isint a Empire trade - its more like internal empire markets ...only export that is happening in EVE is betwean Empire (not empires, because there is no such thing as EmpireS i n EVE in economick wiev) and 0.0 alliance regions - that form the REAL empires that are in EVE and the horrid tales and storys repell every carebear efektivily from 0.0 -------------------------------------------
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.04.27 09:35:00 - [32] /applauds Bad Harlequin You know, I can pull some contacts at EVE-Radio for you if you want I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Darken Two	Posted - 2004.04.27 10:17:00 - [33] Adriana please bother reading the actual thread before you start talking nonsense. This post is not a request for any change as far as I can make it out. Its more a day dreaming thread about what would happen if such a change were made. Also if anyone here did grief you then go file a petition dont flame threads becos you cant make enough isk or whatever. Why dont you just DIE DIE DIE !!!!
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 10:26:00 - [34] Originally by: Eris Discordia /applauds Bad Harlequin You know, I can pull some contacts at EVE-Radio for you if you want Eris -thats my song - im going to do it -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.27 15:24:00 - [35] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 27/04/2004 15:26:11 Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Eris Discordia /applauds Bad Harlequin You know, I can pull some contacts at EVE-Radio for you if you want Eris -thats my song - im going to do it i'm going to hold you to that edit: i may be misreading your typed accent but i have the sudden urge to make a dancehally instrumental of 'imagine' for you to do the lines over... damn being stuck at work away from my gear... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 18:08:00 - [36] i whuld need 2 things so i can do it - a sound mixer - and just a piono solo of imagine ... after that - its all my gigolo voice bayby -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.27 18:43:00 - [37] Edited by: Siddy on 27/04/2004 18:46:22 Edited by: Siddy on 27/04/2004 18:44:04 Imagine there's no CONCORD It's easy if you try No Sentry Guns below us Even in Yulai Imagine all the Kessies Running far away... Imagine there's no Navies Run by a lunatic CPU No AI instagankers N'or no Amarr religion too Imagine all the pilots Armed right to teeth... You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll take a one on one Imagine no possessions Stolen from jeticon cans No need for OMGWTFGGPWNZ0R All over local chan Imagine all the PvP Spreading all across ............EVeeeehehee You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll take a one on one ok - my modifications - fit to the melody yes i am taking this serios -------------------------------------------
Ishkur	Posted - 2004.04.27 19:14:00 - [38] Who cares? This is basically how things are anyway. You can just make an alt and declare war on some people, and you've done the same thing as remove the sentry guns. We have constant alt wars now, lamer "pirates" who hide behind n00b corps, loser pirates who travel in groups, each guy in his own corp, etc. etc. The whole thing is pathetic. While I know you want to gank people in 1.0 systems (or whatever your intention here is), the whole concept of security status exists for a reason (one would hope). Although as of late, CCP has done a pretty pathetic job of making it clear what that is. So you can tank the sentry guns in 0.4 systems so you can gank people at the gate (so says Eris Discordia). But you can't do it in a 1.0 system. Can you do it in a 0.5 system? What about 0.6? The whole argument is stupid and pedantic. If you ask me, unconsentual PvP should happen in 0.4 or lower systems. Consentual PvP should happen everywhere. EVE is a GAME and it needs some "safe spots" where people can go who either (a) don't have the skills to fight or (b) just don't want to fight. Fight in 0.4 or lower, or don't fight at all. The 1.0 systems ought to have some civility. It is patently ridiculous that you can be safer in many 0.0 systems than in Yulai. CCP needs to get with the program and fix the bugs/exploits/ridiculous rules/stupid tactics that allow people to gank people, unprovoked and unconsentually, in 1.0 space.
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.27 21:29:00 - [39] Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 27/04/2004 21:32:33 Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 27/04/2004 18:46:22 Edited by: Siddy on 27/04/2004 18:44:04 Imagine there's no CONCORD It's easy if you try No Sentry Guns below us Even in Yulai Imagine all the Kessies Running far away... Imagine there's no Navies Run by a lunatic CPU No AI instagankers N'or no Amarr religion too Imagine all the pilots Armed right to teeth... You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll take a one on one Imagine no possessions Stolen from jeticon cans No need for OMGWTFGGPWNZ0R All over local chan Imagine all the PvP Spreading all across ............EVeeeehehee You may say I'm a griefer But I'm not the only one I hope someday you'll declare on us And we'll take a one on one ok - my modifications - fit to the melody yes i am taking this serios no that's good, very nice, at one point i gave up on the syllable count one question: how the ^)$#@?!! are you going to sing OMGWTFGGPWNZ0R edit - i was thinking maybe 'ohmigawhatehBLEEPpawnzor' real fast, in the right cadence it fits the melody, but whatever you think it best =) and i mean really a bleep sound. You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.28 07:45:00 - [40] when im done u will see (hear) but first thing first anyone know any freeware mixer programs? -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.28 12:40:00 - [41] Edited by: Siddy on 28/04/2004 13:10:14 ok - no i need to snatch the lyricles "imagine" from somewere so i can start "recording" and thats aint easy to find -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:10:00 - [42] Originally by: Siddy Edited by: Siddy on 28/04/2004 13:10:14 ok - no i need to snatch the lyricles "imagine" from somewere so i can start "recording" and thats aint easy to find google "lyrics lennon imagine" more links than you'll ever need free mixer... hr. Well, if you go to acidplanet.com you'll find a free watered down thing called "ACID," and if you blatantly cheat and go to their Contests page you'll see they're offering 30-day versions of better stuff for a limited time - that might be more than sufficient =). You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Mitchello	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Bellicose once AGAIN i must second what Clipped Wings said third...cuz he is dreamy
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.28 14:52:00 - [44] Edited by: Siddy on 28/04/2004 14:55:55 i tryed it - but nothing it looks like Lennon was in love in his own voice so much there is not any instrumental "imagine" out there... -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.04.28 17:45:00 - [45] k. i can probably make something. might not happen 'til the weekend tho. i can send you the 'mental and you can sing over it, or sing with it and send me the raw vocal if you like, and i'll mix and render it... You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.30 10:02:00 - [46] any progres ? harl? -------------------------------------------
Fager	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Siddy poin is - Diferent Regions of empire must Compeat each other Amar, Minmatar, Galentte and Caldari shuld be compatitors as they are in story line - they shuld be comersial competition and military borders whit no mans land betwean em Why do u think there is Storys abaut Dangerous haulin betwean empire in Storyline? Right now EVE resempbles One country (USA) one capital and sertain major sitys soroundet by lesser sities - and the big sities got fast "railroad" type acsess so in result this isint a Empire trade - its more like internal empire markets ...only export that is happening in EVE is betwean Empire (not empires, because there is no such thing as EmpireS i n EVE in economick wiev) and 0.0 alliance regions - that form the REAL empires that are in EVE and the horrid tales and storys repell every carebear efektivily from 0.0 Could not agree more! It should be hard to go to different empires! Not impossible but throw in a line of 0.4- system between the empires, and make it so you atleast have to go throu some of them, maybe make it some 0.0s in dunno but its boring that its 1 empire insted of 4 atm. Now some my say that 0.4 is still to high but it gets atleast some balance, hard for pirates to abuse, and makes it harder for traders to operate. Another cool idea would be to keep Yulai as a center but with heavy restrictins as in high tull, you need high sec ratings or something like that... Hehe just some nice dreams of a perfect world :) "I can predict the movement of the stars but not the madness of men" Xel'Naga Forums (ingame to register):http://www.spiderweb.se/xnc
Durania	Posted - 2004.04.30 11:59:00 - [48] If you're looking for a reasonable free recording program try here. http://audacity.sourceforge.net/ I really don't like thinking how many missions I've done over time, or how long they've taken on average.
Reloaded INC	Posted - 2004.04.30 12:20:00 - [49] i think that would be the idea to ring the empires with kinda no mans land and have empir patrols go out their every now and again but basicly make it lawless enough for gankers to operate and possible pick up traders making a run for it make a few highway gates that "bypass" these areas but make it so few that the congestion will detour people who are in a hurry or cbf waiting, also make each region have its own distinct economic demands and supplies so that u can make killer profits doping trade runs across the borders ** i think it would be great kinda stick to the story line a little and make it with no mans land and deep space areas and actually make pirating a viable option that can make good money also smuggling, and **, i deffinitly like some of siddys ideas on the game and hes very valid pionts although without instagankcord i would be a little worried I am the bad guy the kriptonite the green cronic.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.04.30 22:20:00 - [50] bump i will not let this tread die before i recordet the "greefer imagine" -------------------------------------------
Rasten Ferralt	Posted - 2004.04.30 23:26:00 - [51] bump Me too. I can't wait to hear it. Go Siddy and Harl. Make my day. Let the bodies hit the floor. We can count 'em later.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.03 07:41:00 - [52] any progres on that piano solo ? -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.05.03 15:39:00 - [53] Originally by: Siddy any progres on that piano solo ? hey - mail me ingame if you haven't already, with an email addy that accepts attachments. tho tbh i'm going to take another whack at it as i had no time this weekend for much of anything and what i have is kind of crap You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Eris Discordia	Posted - 2004.05.03 16:07:00 - [54] I¦m also still waiting.... I ♥ my pink dreadnought of pwnage Mail [email protected] if you have any questions.
Xavier Perez	Posted - 2004.05.03 17:14:00 - [55] I always chased the fat kid around in school, and I threw rocks and pepsi bottles at him too, and I'm glad I did it.
Lucian Alucard	Posted - 2004.05.03 18:49:00 - [56] After the anarchy ended PA would try and play god,CA would flip them the bird another fight would break out and Empire space would for the most part be divied up amongst whoever was left standing, probably FA,Xetic, NORAD and Rising Sun, for the simple reason that alot of people ignore what potential they have, the only exception to this is FA the only reason I can think they would stick around is simple, weather I like them or not (and I don't like them) they have a very formitable defensive ring, if the CA/FE fleet couldn't do it I highly doubt there is an alliance that can. As far as PA is concerned, someone sack Venal again. Please stop being a third rate flamer,I am tired of reactivating my account just to kick your ass.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.04 06:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Lucian Alucard After the anarchy ended PA would try and play god,CA would flip them the bird another fight would break out and Empire space would for the most part be divied up amongst whoever was left standing, probably FA,Xetic, NORAD and Rising Sun, for the simple reason that alot of people ignore what potential they have, the only exception to this is FA the only reason I can think they would stick around is simple, weather I like them or not (and I don't like them) they have a very formitable defensive ring, if the CA/FE fleet couldn't do it I highly doubt there is an alliance that can. As far as PA is concerned, someone sack Venal again. so baisickly the current alliances whuld form new empires -------------------------------------------
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.04 06:44:00 - [58] Originally by: Xavier Perez I always chased the fat kid around in school, and I threw rocks and pepsi bottles at him too, and I'm glad I did it. what has this to do whit current topick you Bully... -------------------------------------------
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2004.05.04 12:54:00 - [59] Originally by: Xavier Perez I always chased the fat kid around in school, and I threw rocks and pepsi bottles at him too, and I'm glad I did it. http://www.beantree.com/about/images/cookies.jpg removed the img tags, bad bad harlequin! -Eris Discordia You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Siddy	Posted - 2004.05.06 15:17:00 - [60] cough bump - har - anyprogress? -------------------------------------------

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