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Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:24:00 - [1] You know... no clones... when podded, you're DEAD ? Of course, you'd have a "son" or "daughter" that inherits some of your posessions, after some hefty taxes... but you'd have to start basically from scratch skill-wise. I wonder how many would actually go into lowsec or even 0.0... and how much combat you'd actually see. Of course, the starter skillpackages would have to go back to the "early days", with 30k SP total being pretty damned good. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:26:00 - [2] Sounds like a waste of our time and money for the pleasure of a microscopic amount of players in our already niche heavy game. ...as well as a breach of our basic mission-statement. Sorry, I do like most of what you post but it's kinda daft. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Face Lifter	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:30:00 - [3] considering how few people would play that server, CCP could run the whole map on 1 node. I don't think cost is an issue here.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:33:00 - [4] Edited by: Akita T on 29/04/2008 22:34:07 Of course it's an unfeasable idea, economically speaking Heck, if anything, it would be a SiSi-hardware-sized EVE, with only a handfull of systems, and purely experimental, for purposes of "human behaviour observation" or somesuch. It would definetely be a weird EVE spin-off game, you'd only have plenty of carebears and the occasional whoomped-back-to-skill-stone-age pirate or carebear who created problems Translation,nobody would actually play it That aside, I was asking "how would you feel about it", from a purely non-profitable, 100% hypothetical standpoint Would you actually bother playing ? If yes, how would you play it ? Originally by: Face Lifter considering how few people would play that server, CCP could run the whole map on 1 node. I don't think cost is an issue here. In the very unlikely event that some people would actually bother playing it, yeah, I suppose a SiSi-hardware-level single-region version would be a fun experiment. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:34:00 - [5] My bet: Percent of 0.0 space populated: 1% Percent of empire space populated: 25% Percent of low-sec gates camped: OVER NINE THOUSAND ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Stems Trade Consortium Black-Out	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:35:00 - [6] I would feel the need to stay away from it. People complain about tactics on the main server, just think what would happen on a server like that

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:37:00 - [7] I'll play ball. Everyone posting here thus far acknowledges that it would be played by a microscopic amount of people. So how fun could it actually be to waste time on a universe where you will affect 20 people, who are chilling in the entire EvE universe. How often would you meet up someone? How surprising would their tactics be after 20 total encounters? Would you actually play that rather than TQ actual? Wouldn't you rather having us fix latency and the UI than implementing a new version of the game for those 20ish persons? I'm probably being way to practical for a hypothetical question here. Also, don't diss SiSi. It's not as cheap as you'd think, otherwise testing a network layer for TQ there wouldn't be much use. ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:38:00 - [8] Want to play hardcore eve without impacting any other players? Don't update your clone. inappropriate signature. ~WeatherMan
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:39:00 - [9] It's certainly pushing the limits of "risk" way off the charts for pretty much any activity. But, again, it would be an interesting experiment. I mean... sure, you can camp the lowsec gates... but what if a larger combat group shows up to where you're camping, and manages to pod one of you ? Not so fun anymore, eh ? Spend another month or two training for a battlecruiser/battleship to be able to gatecamp in lowsec again... 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Max Nero Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:43:00 - [10] Sure, I'll play. Sound like fun. What will I do? Well, I will camp highsec stations and suicide pod everyone in sight. FUN!
Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:43:00 - [11] Hrm...triple skill training time and I'd think about it. I also think that you would find a whole lot of people flying around with quad-sensor-boosted ships and smartbombs to ensure that once you were relieved of your ship, you weren't going anywhere except into a fresh clone. Hell, just make it so there are no clones higher than grade alpha. ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Orar Ironfist Incarnation of Evil Nocturnal Legion	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:44:00 - [12] I think you should die in a fire for such a poorly thought out and horrible idea Pirate for Life(no matter my sec)
fuze Gallente InfoMorph Services Ltd	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:46:00 - [13] What if you died you'd have to go to a clinic where they remove one of your body parts. And when you run out of parts (playing gets trickier) well ... you will make someone else very happy by being a organ donor. Could be a great event to watch to every day.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:47:00 - [14] This idea is just as terrible as the non-PvP server idea. Start from scratch after podding? lol, need moar thinking before poasting.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:49:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Prism X Sounds like a waste of our time and money for the pleasure of a microscopic amount of players in our already niche heavy game. ...as well as a breach of our basic mission-statement. Sorry, I do like most of what you post but it's kinda daft. Now if only the Devs could be this blunt with everyone who pushes a deeply flawed idea here.
Titan Pilot	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:52:00 - [16] There is a game like this already, its called Real Life. EVE is already hardcore enough. Now if you want real hardcore, get yourself involved in every POS fleet op with 250+ in system and then try not to lose a ship. Now thats hardcore...
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:55:00 - [17] Originally by: CCP Prism X I'll play ball. Everyone posting here thus far acknowledges that it would be played by a microscopic amount of people. So how fun could it actually be to waste time on a universe where you will affect 20 people, who are chilling in the entire EvE universe. How often would you meet up someone? How surprising would their tactics be after 20 total encounters? Would you actually play that rather than TQ actual? Well, in the beginning, sure, it WOULD be played by a small number of people. Still, how many people play on Serenity (EVE China) right now, or how many people used to play EVE when it first started ? I have played (and actually still play) online games (browser-based, text mode mainly, sure, but still) that have an active population of well under 500, and it's a blast. Also, since you're not forced to have the same "universe" as EVE right now, you could just as well have the empires spanning 5-10 systems, the minor empires and pirate factions controlling as little as 3 systems, and the whole "server" could have under 100 solar systems, maybe just 50 or so. Let's say 200 people would play that... heck, make that a lot more early on, but 100-200 would probably stick around training chars idly... with peak concurent users in the 30s or so... heck, you could just as well end up KNOWING most of your opponents... I daresay PvP would probably become mostly consensual, since everybody would be too afraid of repercussions... and the little PvP that would actually happend would be "assassinations" more than combat. Would I play that EVE ? I certainly would, if only for the kicks. Heck, I'd probably play it a bit more "risky" compared to TQ-EVE, since I'd know I would have the means to really "pay back" somebody who bothered me. On TQ, with my main, I'm an almost complete carebear... on this one, I'd probably be pretty damned hostile Quote: Wouldn't you rather having us fix latency and the UI than implementing a new version of the game for those 20ish persons? I'm probably being way to practical for a hypothetical question here. Also, don't diss SiSi. It's not as cheap as you'd think, otherwise testing a network layer for TQ there wouldn't be much use. Yup, way too practical for a hypothetical question Oh, I do suppose SiSi nowadays is a quite impressive machine already... still, compared to the main cluster, it's small... and it used to be smaller still a couple of years ago. As for funding... heck, I think you could actually manage to get a couple of "behaviour psychologists" or somesuch interest groups to fund the "study" which this game would actually be. You already have an economic system that quite naturally mimics a good deal of the real-life economic model (with a couple of caveats regarding advertising and perfect competition), and you got a real-life economist interested in it. Don't you think having a little experiment that involves a much more realistic "risk vs reward" treshold would interest somebody too ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.29 22:56:00 - [18] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Originally by: CCP Prism X Sounds like a waste of our time and money for the pleasure of a microscopic amount of players in our already niche heavy game. ...as well as a breach of our basic mission-statement. Sorry, I do like most of what you post but it's kinda daft. Now if only the Devs could be this blunt with everyone who pushes a deeply flawed idea here. Blunt? I thought it was sugarcoated. Was there even a thought behind the typing? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:00:00 - [19] Edited by: Akita T on 29/04/2008 23:05:14 Originally by: Wendat Huron Blunt? I thought it was sugarcoated. Was there even a thought behind the typing? Somebody doesn't understand the meaning of "hypothetical"... You know, assuming for a second that for some obscure reason this highly improbable (and unprofitable) option became available... who would play it, and how would they play it ? Would anybody actually try to pirate, or fear destruction by the hands of the overwhelming carebear majority ? Or would the utter carebearism of people be so high that nobody would actually try to stop the pirates ? Would you risk being a pirate at all ? Would you even risk going into 0.0 ? And so on and so forth. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:04:00 - [20] Oh I do, I also understand the words compost material. These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Doc Fury	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:06:00 - [21] Edited by: Doc Fury on 29/04/2008 23:06:22 The only thing "hardcore" the OP has probably ever experienced is ***.. [quote = Akita T]Oh.. uh.. there was.. there was a a ghost..It's ectoplasm...Did you see the ghost? At least I have chicken*
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:07:00 - [22] Ok, you're not interested in the idea, you're not interested in the concept, you're not even curious how such a "world" would be shaped like, socially. Simply put, you don't care. So why do you post then ? 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.

CCP Prism X C C P	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:09:00 - [23] Edited by: CCP Prism X on 29/04/2008 23:10:07 Originally by: Akita T So why do you post then ? Cause they're angry at me for treating people who don't deserve my disrespect with respect, that's my best guess. Probably would have been best if my original reply would have been: ** YOU *! ~ Prism X EvE Database Developer Relocating your character to a cozy, secure container since 2006. Relocating your cozy, secure container to the EVE cemetery since 2008.

Tarminic Black Flame Industries	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:10:00 - [24] I think everyone in this thread appears to be missing the concept that Akita T is speaking THEORETICALLY. As in: "What if..." And distinctly different from: "Hey, let's do..." ---------------- Tarminic - 35 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.81 (Updated 4/8)
Dristra Amarr Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:12:00 - [25] Originally by: Max Nero Sure, I'll play. Sound like fun. What will I do? Well, I will camp highsec stations and suicide pod everyone in sight. FUN! You go girl, i whould be right beside you :P Greif Heaven! Support the introduction of well thought out Amarr solutions! I believe rats should avoid you if you have high standing with them.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:14:00 - [26] For the life of me, I would have trouble betting on how such a mini-hardcore-EVE would turn out to be... an apocalyptic "everybody shoots everybody else in 0.0 in T1 frigs with T1 gear" or "the 20 highsec systems full of carebears and no PvP ship kills at all in the past month"... 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Titan Pilot There is a game like this already, its called Real Life. EVE is already hardcore enough. Now if you want real hardcore, get yourself involved in every POS fleet op with 250+ in system and then try not to lose a ship. Now thats hardcore... Nothing like shooting targets that don't move right?
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:19:00 - [28] Like someone said, if you want to play hardcore Eve just never update your clone.
F90OEX F9X	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:24:00 - [29] Originally by: Dirk Magnum Like someone said, if you want to play hardcore Eve just never update your clone. Or just go to FFA1 on a busy day and get all the hardcore pvp for 1 ISK .. I'm with Prism on this one.
Liang Nuren Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.04.29 23:25:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Prism X Cause they're angry at me for treating people who don't deserve my disrespect with respect, that's my best guess. Probably would have been best if my original reply would have been: ** YOU ! I dunno... I thought you had compelling arguments Prism. ::clap:: Boo to sharding the server. -Liang -- Originally by:* Blake Abadon, Morsus Mihi insirgency caused the turn arround in the war against bob, when they forced the MM capital fleet to move back to defend their homeland.

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