Originally by: Perfect Diamond

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Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 30/04/2008 20:05:18

No, they shouldn't.
You have logistics for remote rep bonuses.
Obviously, the ship works better with few enemies but that's no reason to change it. Either work in a smaller gang or get a different ship.

But your best bet is just to go nano. (everyone does)

By the way
With your logic the falcon should get bonuses to ECM drones and the curse should get bonuses to tracking disrupting and energy neutralizing drones.

P.S. I hate you Arb

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Originally by: Bronson Hughes

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Edited by: Bronson Hughes on 30/04/2008 20:32:29
The repair amount bonus is geared more towards PvE than PvP. For sustained tanking, it's more efficient than a 5% resist per level bonus. It's generally considered to be far less useful for PvP though.

A bonus to armor HP for Gallente ships instead of repair amount would be very nice for PvP, but I doubt it will ever happen as long as certain Minmatar ships keep their shield boost amount bonuses. A bonus to remote reps will never happen for non-logistics ships; that would just be too powerful for PvP.

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Originally by: FT Diomedes

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As others have said, it is a good PvE bonus, but rarely matters in most PvP. Personally, I like it a lot for PvE, so I'm happy with it, even if it "wastes" a bonus in a lot of PvP situations.

Now, in your fight with 2 Abaddons, I don't thank an armor HP bonus would have done you any good anyway. They still would have eaten you alive. For this reason, I find any tanking bonus is "wasted" in PvP and fit all my PvP ships for a lot more damage than tank.

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Originally by: Bellum Eternus

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Edited by: Bellum Eternus on 01/05/2008 05:12:20

Originally by: joshmorris

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Edited by: joshmorris on 30/04/2008 20:19:37
Edited by: joshmorris on 30/04/2008 20:16:11
Im gallente and as you know 1 of our bonuses is 7.5% bonus to armor repair amount per level.

Now for quite a long time i have thought this to be a useful bonus, but recently i have started to relise how much i ignore this bonus.

In any fights larger than 1v1's or lots of very small dps ships in 1 fights your better putting a buffer tank and not putting reps then rely on your gang m8s to rep you.


I live in low sec and we use remote repping gangs alot. I had a hyperion for ages but when 1 day 2 abaddons got me into structure in a matter of seconds (rigged for repair cycle reduction and 2 lar IIs), i relised the repair bonus was useless as any decent amount of dps on you goes through your armor in seconds, you would be better of with plates, which is sorta ignoring a bonus.

Brutix for another example totally ignores its bonus as it just doesn't go well. Same with gallente command ships ... fitting a huge buffer tank and relying on your friends works so much better in any situation appart from 1v1.

I think the repair bonus should be applied to remote reps too so ships like the hyperion and myrm can fit plate tank / trimarks but still make use of there bonus by effecting remote reps. ( Edit - Or maybe armor hp bonus )

K thx.

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Lol. Rep bonus useless? NO.

If you think rep bonuses are useless, you're not setting up your ship right. 2x LAR on a Hype is a crap setup, for the exact reason you just mentioned. If you want examples of effective active tanking on a Hype, do a search for 'Bellum Eternus' on eve-files.com. You'll find plenty of vids with the Hype using it's active tanking bonus.

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Originally by: Crawler

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actualy i find the rep-bonus a good addition
im using a repair rig to so i got a rep of 1265hp/cycle instead of 800
also its pretty easy to elevate 2 resistances to 80% which is what i use for standard in a lvl 4 mission. basicly it gives a better tank then a abbadon if the enemy only have 2 damage types

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Originally by: Kagura Nikon

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Originally by: Vaal Erit

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Have you flown a double plated BS before? Do you know how slow you go? Very slow. Very easy to get ganked. Very hard to MWD and get on top of someone. That's a pretty big negative. Doesn't matter how long you last if you can't catch and hit anything.

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that is why I fly Amarr BS taht can reach stuff 50 km far without moving :P

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Originally by: techzer0

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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler

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WTB Falcon with drone bay

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Quoted, signed and I think I'm going to have to say I love you. Only recon without a dam drone bay.

Also... I want this 7.5% armor HP per lvl you speak of, that'd be omg ganktastic

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Originally by: Jill Antaris

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Mayby it would be to hard to yust use the Mega as a passive Tank for Gank and the Hype as a aktive for small Gang fights.

2 Abaddons would have killed your Buffer Tank aswell without a doubt in a very short time.

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Originally by: Jill Antaris

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Edited by: Jill Antaris on 04/05/2008 12:52:47

Originally by: joshmorris

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Originally by: Jill Antaris

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Mayby it would be to hard to yust use the Mega as a passive Tank for Gank and the Hype as a aktive for small Gang fights.

2 Abaddons would have killed your Buffer Tank aswell without a doubt in a very short time.

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Well excuse me but does it get much smaller (appart from 1v1) .. 2v1.

And if i was in a buffer tanked ship with 20k + armor i wouldnt of even touched structure in the fitht. Fyi i did buy a mega after that but its so ghey on cpu i got rid of it 0.o

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Well it was vs 2 Gank fitted BS, not yust 2 random Ships. Also a rigged Hype can tank even 2k DPS for a while, since it gets back about 1/3 of its Armor in less that 10 Seconds(that would be close to 3k depends on the Rigging and the Repps). Counting in the 10k Armor Buffer this would give a timeframe of over 60 Seconds to take down one Abaddon or kill the Drones to reduce DPS.

And what is better(same resists asumed) 20k Armor vs 2k DPS or 10k Armor vs 1k DPS?

Please don¦t tell anyone you fly a Gallente BS and you are not able to find a solution to CPU issues. That yust don¦t look right.

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Originally by: Jill Antaris

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Originally by: joshmorris

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1. Skill for a Abaddon, if you can¦t see that Ships have diffrent rolles, strength and Drawbacks, It is a nice Ship, no doubt about this.

2. Again, for buffertanking Mega is the better Ship.

3. I tryed over 2 years with about 36 M SP fully spect on Gallente on a other Char(that is currently out of Eve for Large Blaster Spec 5). So yeah I preaty mutch teocrafting all the way.

4. Gallente Tank Armor & Structure(at least at the BS Level all the time), also 10k Armor and 10k Structure got some resistances(especialy vs Lasers).

Plate up a Mega, it is far better Plated as the Hype because of the extra low and the ability to fit a Neut or remote Rep.

Edit. Armor Platings, Implants and Named/Faction Items are there for a Reason if you still have fitting Issues.

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