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General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.02 00:32:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 02/05/2008 00:32:33 Sorry just had to quote this
Originally by: Billy Merc + the ability to field guns ontop of that
And the falcon doesn't?
I see now your obviously trolling.
Took the bait, oh well life goes on. |
Sadist
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.05.02 02:10:00 -
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Yes, it's pretty sad that in their current state arazu and lachesis are countered by a single t2 sensor booster, even if they fit a full rack of EW. While I agree that they were a bit too powerful before the nerf, they are now a laughingstock among every cruiser-sized ship (t1 included). |
Eirlie
Gallente Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.05.02 02:42:00 -
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Yep, well, I gotta admit my Arazu has been out and about a few times recently. I find it good against belt rats.
In the "I'm bored and I feel like doing something different" type of good.
Although I think the good wore off. |
Atsuko Ratu
Caldari VSP Corp.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 03:05:00 -
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The damps are about as useful as lowslot-less ECMs are right now. But introducing a lowslot boosting module will only make the damps pretty much the same to ECM.
I also notice the pathetic range on damps. Sorry guys, but a Arazu will never counter my Falcon, since I can sit 249km away (optimal) with rigs and the Arazu can only sit at about 150 with rigs (and thats with falloff )
I can see the ships role (damp + orbit with point and wait for friends), but honestly, in the world of nanos this is never feaseable. It's role is totally broken in 80%* of solo situations and 99%* of fleet situations. Increase damp effectiveness and even go as far as swapping it's optimal and falloff values.
*percentages 100%** made up
**percentage not made up |
Ruciza
Minmatar The Feminists
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Posted - 2008.05.02 03:42:00 -
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Edited by: Ruciza on 02/05/2008 03:42:49 Vocabulary like "useless" and "totally broken" only means "please change it in accordance with my favourite yet limited playstyle".
You won't prove a negative, and even one account of "I used it and it works" will blow you out of the water. Normally then the "Oh that was an incompetent pilot or no true Scotsman" crowd will take over. The internets depress me. |
Dianeces
Minmatar The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dianeces on 02/05/2008 04:09:06 In response to everyone who says damps are currently broken; I just tested one out, it works just fine both with scripts and without. I think you might be doing it wrong. |
Zeknichov
Life. Universe. Everything. Wrath.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 04:39:00 -
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Low slot with huge range increases so that with 2-3 in lows you're looking at 250 range of damps including falloff. This makes them very useful for fleet engagements. You could have one damp ship effectively make 3+ snipers useless. It would also effectively counter ECM. This gives damps a purpose. |
Shopmuleomg
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Posted - 2008.05.02 05:07:00 -
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Originally by: Ruciza Edited by: Ruciza on 02/05/2008 03:42:49 Vocabulary like "useless" and "totally broken" only means "please change it in accordance with my favourite yet limited playstyle".
You won't prove a negative, and even one account of "I used it and it works" will blow you out of the water. Normally then the "Oh that was an incompetent pilot or no true Scotsman" crowd will take over. The internets depress me.
By all means, enlighten us at to the right playstyle to make them useful then. |
Barbens
Sky Net Industries Pure.
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Posted - 2008.05.02 06:46:00 -
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I cant agree more that something needs done here. This is actually the second nerf to the sensor damps(if any of you are old enough to remember). Its really taken the usefulness, and the purpouse out of these ships. Pre-nerf i was getting 60%+ on each damp (arazu), now post patch, with a rig im sitting at 48%. Taken a lot of the bite out.
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Billy Merc
Amarr Pilots Of Honour Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.02 08:40:00 -
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falcon .: Ecm (chance based) .: 2 launchers and a gun or 2 guns and a launcher
Arazu .: Scram range bonus .: Damp bonus .: 3 guns .: 40m3 of drone space
*rolls eyes*
I dont fly recons anymore...bullet magnets
Instead of focusing on what your ship cant do, home in on what it can do...jeez the eve community is turning into nothing but a bunch of whingers these days.
"oh noes my omgwtf pwn mobile is broke" or whatever it is u kids say these days.
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sandshark
LFC Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.05.02 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Billy Merc falcon .: Ecm (chance based) .: 2 launchers and a gun or 2 guns and a launcher
Arazu .: Scram range bonus .: Damp bonus .: 3 guns .: 40m3 of drone space
*rolls eyes*
I dont fly recons anymore...bullet magnets
Instead of focusing on what your ship cant do, home in on what it can do...jeez the eve community is turning into nothing but a bunch of whingers these days.
"oh noes my omgwtf pwn mobile is broke" or whatever it is u kids say these days.
Ok now plz compare the Celestis and the Blackbird. Or the Griffin and the Maulus. People, who just read titles and the last post don't have a clue what the essence of this post is tbh. |
General Coochie
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.05.02 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: General Coochie on 02/05/2008 11:23:47
Originally by: Billy Merc falcon .: Ecm (chance based) .: 2 launchers and a gun or 2 guns and a launcher
Arazu .: Scram range bonus .: Damp bonus .: 3 guns .: 40m3 of drone space
*rolls eyes*
I dont fly recons anymore...bullet magnets
Instead of focusing on what your ship cant do, home in on what it can do...jeez the eve community is turning into nothing but a bunch of whingers these days.
"oh noes my omgwtf pwn mobile is broke" or whatever it is u kids say these days.
* Damps chance based outside of 45km * Falcon does about same dps (might differ 2-4 dps) with guns (missiles/guns) at 45km. * Falcon does more dps over 60km. * Yes arazu got a drone bay, I agree its good * Yes they are bullet magnet. What would you rather be in, a bullet magnet incapable of defending it self at 45km or a bullet magnet at 250km very capable of defending itself?
There is a reason ppl are cross training for falcons and letting their arazus collect dust in the hangar you know?
Effective EW + survivability >>>>>>>> Drone bay, scram bonus.
If I wanted a drone bay I'd be flying a ishtar, if I wanted to tackle I'd be flying a inty.
If I want to EW I should just accept that the arazu is worthless in that role, and be happy that it can tackle fairly good and do some 200dps under optimal circumstances? |
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