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Zaphroid Eulthran
Minmatar
Imperial Visions
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Posted - 2008.05.03 00:25:00 -
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 Originally by: 000Hunter000
u can find the link to the features and ideas thread here
Now, this post is not really to discuss if this is a good/bad idea, but mostly me wondering why in all these years (the first post is from oct 2005 and it has been active ever since so not a necrothread) nobody from ccp has even once commented about it.
If they don't like it, fine, say so (with a reason why would be nice)
If u do like it, nice, but can u tell us if there is anything planned by now? or why it is so hard to implement this in almost 2.5 years?
Anyways i think, i'm just fishing for a dev response about this tbh 
As a frequent visiter (and proud sig link supporter) of this thread, I would like an answer from someone "in the know" as to if this ship/concept is dead in the water or if it is something you are considering but havent yet got around to implementing.
If you hate the idea or feel it is bad/evil etc tell me/us I am a big boy I can take it and I'll just have to start saving for one of those rediculessly expencive and over bloated full size capital class freighters to move my manufactured goods that are slightly too big for my rigged Mastodon.
P.S. what would be the responce if I started suggesteing people fly Chimeras or Phoenixes for their lvl3 missions?
P.P.S. Sometimes the biggest hammer isn't the best tool to ***** (<- not a rude word) the nut.
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Alora Venoda
GalTech
Giant Space Amoeba
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Posted - 2008.05.03 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Alz Shado
All I'm saying is that this doesn't need to be so complicated. Minifreighters and Tier 3 transport ships are, in my mind, two entirely different animals.
The minifreighters should be an NPC faction (Interbus?) ship that isn't racial specific, like how exhumers are ORE faction. One ship with the agility and warp speed of a BS, no slots, and a base 120k m3 in a cargo hold. If you're feeling generous, we can add in a second tier version that requires a "Minifreighter" skill to be at V, that has 240m3. That's it.
Each race would have a Tier 3 Transport ship, which adds flexibility and customization. Using the DST hull and 10k m3 base capacity, give it 8 slots so the pilot can choose between volume (8x CE IIs @ 10k = approx 70k m3, or 90k m3 with GSCs) or security (8 WCSes won't save you from a HIC though).
Separate the concepts, and get the Minifreighter to market ASAP.
you are saying almost exactly what i am thinking. a racial tier 3 hauler that can hold no more than 100 m3 when all pimped out for cargo would be fine.
as for the minifreighter, i think the agility of a battleship is a little too fast... more like on the order of a transport ship like the Bustard (pretty much the slowest non-capital ship in the game).
also what do you mean by "DST hull"? |
Siadyu
Amarr
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2008.05.03 02:25:00 -
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Quote:
T2 Indy is the 'mini freighter'
How could this be? The T2 indies don't carry more than T1s. |
Messerschmitt facility
Amarr
Shinra
Shinra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Siadyu
Quote:
T2 Indy is the 'mini freighter'
How could this be? The T2 indies don't carry more than T1s.
He is reffering to the jump freighter. That is your mini-freighter. It carries only 250k m3 |
Nigal Tufnel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation
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Posted - 2008.05.03 04:38:00 -
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While a minifreighter would be great for players to move around there crap with out having to spend a billion isk it would be bad for the game as a whole. Players would use these to ship out there junk to Jita to buy and sell and bypass all the other systems. Miners instead of selling or building stuff locally would ship it Jita.
Not in the know but this ship has asked for by players for a long time. Lots of good reasons to have them in game. But I think it would make hauling too easy and ruin the economy. |
Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.03 05:02:00 -
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Originally by: Nigal Tufnel
Players would use these to ship out there junk to Jita to buy and sell and bypass all the other systems. Miners instead of selling or building stuff locally would ship it Jita.
I don¦t understand that thinking, if anything it will be the opposite. A Freighter with a 750 000 m¦ will take 7.5 longer time to fill up with stuff than a mini-Freighter of 100 000 m¦ capacity. When you are finally done with filling up the Freighter why bother to travel just a short distance to the local trading hub?
To move same amount of stuff with the mini-Freighter you need to travel 16 times as far if both have 750 000 m¦ stuff each in System A and wants to sell it in Jita. |
Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.05.03 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 03/05/2008 05:19:08
So I see a couple desires in this thread:
"Give us a freighter that carries less than a freighter but more than an Iteron/Transport"
Then I understand we have Jump Freighters, which are precisely that.
Then I imagine people are upset because Jump Freighters aren't "cheap" like everyone wants.
So I conclude that people want something cheap they can haul their stuff around in so if they lose it it isn't such a large loss.
That's not really fair.
Or, we could do this:
Make a freighter that is as slow as a freighter, moves faster than a freighter (thereby increasing align times) and has 1/4 the cargobay (so something like 200km3) and no slots. Then make it cost 700 million isk.
Fair? |
Iridis Bloodclaw
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Posted - 2008.05.03 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Forge
Originally by: Nigal Tufnel
Players would use these to ship out there junk to Jita to buy and sell and bypass all the other systems. Miners instead of selling or building stuff locally would ship it Jita.
I don¦t understand that thinking, if anything it will be the opposite. A Freighter with a 750 000 m¦ will take 7.5 longer time to fill up with stuff than a mini-Freighter of 100 000 m¦ capacity. When you are finally done with filling up the Freighter why bother to travel just a short distance to the local trading hub?
To move same amount of stuff with the mini-Freighter you need to travel 16 times as far if both have 750 000 m¦ stuff each in System A and wants to sell it in Jita.
A freighter is big, slow and expensive. Sure your going to fill that up and go to Jita or back to base. But not everyone has one or wants one. The minifreighter is ship for everyone. Suddenly you can take all your stuff with you to that region 30 jumps or sell it all in Jita. How many times have people just bought new stuff in a new region rather than haul it? Why sell your minerals in your current region when you can make extra isk in Jita? Easy and cheap hauling would be a huge change to eve markets. |
Victor Forge
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.05.03 06:56:00 -
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Edited by: Victor Forge on 03/05/2008 06:59:16
Originally by: Iridis Bloodclaw
A freighter is big, slow and expensive. Sure your going to fill that up and go to Jita or back to base. But not everyone has one or wants one. The minifreighter is ship for everyone. Suddenly you can take all your stuff with you to that region 30 jumps or sell it all in Jita. How many times have people just bought new stuff in a new region rather than haul it? Why sell your minerals in your current region when you can make extra isk in Jita? Easy and cheap hauling would be a huge change to eve markets.
Actually there is a middleground between local space and Jita that will benefit a lot from mini-freighters, like Rens in Minmatar space and the Amarr system in Amarr Empire.
If one is going to trade minerals now, there is only industrial or freighters to choose between, the T2 variants of those will hardly be needed since we are talking about large quantities of relative inexpensive stuff that is unlikely to attract gankers. Doing this with industrial ships will get you nowhere fast, they don¦t have that much larger cargo-space than than mining ships. A basic Hulk has 8000 m¦ cargo space with no cargo-expanders. One could as well use the mining ship for the hauling.
And the next step is a freighter, a Capital ship that costs nearly a billion Isks...
If a freighter is used for that job, why travel anywhere else than the biggest trading hub there is? After all, with such huge ship you are not going to have to do such trips often.
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