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Draygo Korvan
Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 03:09:00 -
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I hate to see a questions solely focused on the negatives of the game.
Darius Johnson, what do you think is the most attractive part of EvE?
What would you do as a CSM to improve on or nurture that aspect?
How do you plan to remain communicable to the entire eve community as a whole to try to represent the community to CCP? --
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 05:20:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Draygo Korvan I hate to see a questions solely focused on the negatives of the game.
Darius Johnson, what do you think is the most attractive part of EvE?
What would you do as a CSM to improve on or nurture that aspect?
How do you plan to remain communicable to the entire eve community as a whole to try to represent the community to CCP?
I think the most attractive part of Eve is its open and free feeling nature. From the economy to the open and lawless 0.0 environment Eve is truly what you make of it. No other game on the market currently allows for this kind of freedom. Within the contexts of that freedom are a plethora of activities for all different types of players be they miners or the hardcore pvpers... ratters or the more hardcore pvpers... It is this openness and freedom which I find to be the most attractive thing about this game.
The beauty of freedom is that it need not be improved upon persay. While individual mechanics may be adjusted to impact smaller systems within the game I believe that for Eve to retain its basest nature, from a high level any potential impact on those freedoms must be taken into consideration carefully. Thankfully thus far the dev team appears to have been fairly evenhanded in this regard. As a voice for the community I believe part of what I can bring to the table is the considered and carefully structured dialogue which will serve to allow the right questions to be asked regarding the infringement of various suggestions on this system of freedom. The ability to see things from both a macro and a micro level.
Well from the get go we are all going to be responsible for interacting with the community in the CSM forums. I think as regards other avenues of communication an IRC channel may not be a horrible idea. One important item to note is that in order for the CSM to function properly I believe as much of the dialogue as possible should take place in the public theater where everyone can contribute their ideas and concerns. Niche chatrooms and closeted communication doesn't help the council as a whole. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Disunity
Gallente Royal Regiment of Wales
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Posted - 2008.05.06 06:29:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Racist? I'm afraid you have the wrong guy. Being racist in Eve would actually be against the EULA.
I believe he was refering to real life; A good example being your own forums where you constantly refer to the logistic side of Goonswarm as *****z and Jews.
We are being ask to vote people into the CSM not characters. Inveniam viam aut faciam. |

Footfist Headknocker
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Posted - 2008.05.06 06:43:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Disunity
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Racist? I'm afraid you have the wrong guy. Being racist in Eve would actually be against the EULA.
I believe he was refering to real life; A good example being your own forums where you constantly refer to the logistic side of Goonswarm as *****z and Jews.
We are being ask to vote people into the CSM not characters.
Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded. |

DeathWarXIII
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Posted - 2008.05.06 07:02:00 -
[35]
Hmm... too many rumors of goon scams.... soo pass
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Disunity
Gallente Royal Regiment of Wales
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Posted - 2008.05.06 07:12:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded.
Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer. Inveniam viam aut faciam. |

Footfist Headknocker
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Posted - 2008.05.06 07:52:00 -
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Originally by: Disunity
Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded.
Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer.
I think I found some of what you had in mind. Although that piece wasn't written by him, but it says alot about the type of humour shared by their inner circle. That sort of crap is funny when you're sixteen and don't know any better... |

Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.05.06 09:01:00 -
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The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game.
Also the proposed Carrier nerf I find rather ridiculous.
Please explain to me why I should vote for either you or any Goon.
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PartyPopper
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 11:02:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game.
Ooh link me to this please, I've never even read it! It's almost as if it doesn't exist. |

GalactiColossus
Gallente Sphinx Inc
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Posted - 2008.05.06 11:36:00 -
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It has been clear to my understanding of things that not only you dont take such election seriouly, but you defend the interests of a few minority that will be reflected as a reality if you are elected. There is no daught that your unability to answer a simble and yet compromising question as made this, your campaign, rather unpleasant for me, and for other too.
again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience??
again, this is my personal understanding, Anyone is free to give me a REASONABLE ANSWER, and i mean REASONABLE!!. |

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.05.06 12:52:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules.
Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets".
By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit.
Miner's and IndustrialistĘs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve.
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Killer Kelly
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.06 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Killer Kelly on 06/05/2008 13:00:33 I was a goon once in another game (was never a SA member though, so not here). I must say that every GOON leader I have worked with has been highly intelligent and level-headed. Individual Goons may vary in thier level of stupidity, but so does every other member of any other alliance. Besides, EVE is a game of scams and chicanery, its not up to the game to protect you from your own naivety. I believe that the GOONS are a liberating force in this game. Otherwise, I would be sitting here looking around at all the seriousbusiness and roleplayers wondering why I'm here. Things like Velator blobs and "Little Bees" and NOA congo lines make me glad I'm in EVE.
EDIT: Added a question. Should miners be encouraged to move away from the safety of high-sec through in-game persuasion? |

KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:00:00 -
[43]
Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules.
Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets".
By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit.
Miner's and IndustrialistĘs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve.
Yeah, there are no miners or industrialists in Goonfleet or GoonSwarm. GF is not the largest corp in the game with many, many different people doing many, many different things. We all either PvP or play spacestation sim while chatting. Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse. Do you actually have a question now your opinions have been made evident?
Yo, Darius: If you could make/advocate one change in the game, what would it be and why? |

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Killer Kelly I believe that the GOONS are a liberating force in this game.
Yes they are!! Goons liberate miners from their ships.  |

Killer Kelly
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:08:00 -
[45]
I believe that the GOONS liberate miners from the evil called being bored to death in high-sec. |

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:19:00 -
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Originally by: KeratinBoy Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse.
I represent the views of hundreds of miners and industrialists who were mad enough to trust and give 7 billion isk to a complete stranger to wardec Goons for how they were treated in this game.
They have a right to be heard through me.
Now maybe Darius only meant to gank the macro miners. And if that is the case now would be the time to make that apology and tell the Eve community how he would fight macro mining while leaving the honest high sec mining community alone? And how he would fix the insurance payout for high sec ganking to make it fair towards all.
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KeratinBoy
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
They have a right to be heard through me.
But not in this forum. Unless you feel that Darius cannot separate his CEO duties from his CSM duties - if elected - you are using the wrong forum. If you do feel that he cannot separate the two, I suggest you post to express that and move on.
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Super Whopper
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987
I have decided I will not vote for you.
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:46:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987
I have decided I will not vote for you.
You were never going to vote for him or any other Goon to begin with so hell yeah Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |

Sally Bestonge
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987
I have decided I will not vote for you.
It seems kind of silly you would base darius Johnsons's opinions on james 315 who are completely different people. Hust saying. |

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge
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Posted - 2008.05.06 13:59:00 -
[51]
Originally by: KeratinBoy But not in this forum.
I am a voter and have a right to be heard just as any other.
You are showing the boot of the Goons: Shut up any that disagree with you. |

Gorobom
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:04:00 -
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Edited by: Gorobom on 06/05/2008 14:06:25 Goon here. There's a great thing about Darius JOHNSON, and the thing is that he's the only candidate I know who is TRULY concerned about capital ships, as it is something that has been genuinely treating the balance of the game, but is invisible to many, many people who stay in high-sec.
Besides, he has a greater responsibility in-game than any other candidate around. Ever since Darius became our CEO he's been one of the few persons I've seen who are really worried about EVE.
Edit: There are thousands of members in goonswarm, most of which are very vocal since we, well, come from an internet forum. Darius has real concerns about the game and is a responsible, qualified individual. These concerns have a very, very broad range. |

Dramaticus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:21:00 -
[53]
Darius,
As you know, no matter the size and space held by a 0.0 alliance, it is simply impossible to be completely independent from Empire or low-sec. The control towers, their modules and even some of the fuel for them are not able to be manufactured. Instead, they are provided by CCP via NPC sell orders. Even for something as mundane as moon mining and selling the materials locally to 0.0 producers, you are still forced to either import for yourself or rely on an importer for fuel.
My question is, what are your feelings on both 0.0 and Empire dwellers be reliant on NPC sell orders for certain items, and just how independent do you believe that 0.0 alliances be allowed to be from Empire. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan |

Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.05.06 14:56:00 -
[54]
Darius, what are your views on smaller gang warfare and the application of that in 0.0 sovereignty wars?
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Jackylucy
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Posted - 2008.05.06 15:17:00 -
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I was under the impression there would be more than one member of the 'council'? If this is the case, then I think it would be prefectly legitimate for one of those members to be from the Goons, if this is going to be at all based on proportional representation. In my opinion some of the candidates have taken this very seriously, and others seem to be very quiet about the whole thing - the guys from Goons have been among those who have taken if very seriously, and for that commitment I will certainly consider voting for them. I truly believe that most of the detrimental posts here are personal disgruntlements. Since I am not fully aware of the Goon activities in high-sec space, I cannot fully comment my opinion on them. I can say however that I have been destroyed in high-sec before, once carrying an Apocalypse BPO. That unfortunately is just EvE. Targeting Goons for this sort of activity is stupid, since the only people who can properly change it are the developers at CCP. Goons aren't breaking any rules, if they were they would be banned - so maybe with these sort of things they are simply outlining current 'issues' with the game. Personally I don't care for it that much, I am happy that they drive miners to low sec so that I can get them. Yarr. Good luck in the election Goons.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 16:09:00 -
[56]
Oh good lord look at what I get for sleeping. Allow me to grab some lunch and I'll dig into this wonderful conversation. |

Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 16:48:51
Originally by: Footfist Headknocker
Originally by: Disunity
Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded.
Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer.
I think I found some of what you had in mind. Although that piece wasn't written by him, but it says alot about the type of humour shared by their inner circle. That sort of crap is funny when you're sixteen and don't know any better...
One item of note... I don't tell people what not to or what not to say or how to play Eve. Goons are permitted to do whatever it is they please at any given time.
One could make the argument that regardless of the perceived negativity of the comments, they were made in jest. If you do not like a particular brand of humor you're free not to read it or enjoy it. Insinuating that someone else shouldn't or attributing a particular statement to an entire group of people is just silly. I think Eve Asteroid jokes are unfunny and bothersome. My solution... I don't read them. I don't attempt some form of self righteous crusade against a completely unrelated third party for being guilty of making them by association. If I don't like what you say in the context of a videogame I'll find you in that videogame and shoot you.
Of note as well... I'd hardly call a public website which anyone with an account can post to, or even a private forum which any of the thousands of people can post to, an "inner circle". A 3000 man inner circle will make for quite the wedding party. I'm also completely unapologetic for what they've written and to be frank, when I did read the article I laughed at the parody which was presented.
We're all offended by different things. I'd recommend that if you have such a soft outer shell that a word or two damages your tender sensibilities you not go out of your way to find them. If ever I receive a Goon complaint from any of the rather ethnically diverse crowd of Goons who have actually been granted access to the site, then I'll consider their opinions.
Tearing down a steel wall to see what's behind it because you know it will hurt you or emotionally scar you for life is just ridiculous. Stop being silly geese. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Super Whopper The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game.
Also the proposed Carrier nerf I find rather ridiculous.
Please explain to me why I should vote for either you or any Goon.
There is no manifesto. I'll assume you got this information from wherever BRUCE invented it from. We HAVE NO MANIFESTO. If someone took their time to write one, then it's certainly not any official stance. Link it to me though as I'd love to read it. It may have some new policies I'd like to adopt.
I'm not familiar with the carrier nerf either... it certainly isn't my proposal or one I've been involved in.
To explain your vote... you vote for whomever you think will be a good CSM representative. Say what you will about Goons... when we set out to do something we do it. We're not always 100% successful, but a great deal of time and dedication is put into the endeavour and the results are positive more often than not. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:00:00 -
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Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 17:01:06
Originally by: GalactiColossus It has been clear to my understanding of things that not only you dont take such election seriouly, but you defend the interests of a few minority that will be reflected as a reality if you are elected. There is no daught that your unability to answer a simble and yet compromising question as made this, your campaign, rather unpleasant for me, and for other too.
again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience??
again, this is my personal understanding, Anyone is free to give me a REASONABLE ANSWER, and i mean REASONABLE!!.
I'm going to try really hard to understand this and answer it.
If I didn't take election seriously why would I take time from my day to post here? I could be off having fun instead of being slandered and attacked by the most "honorable" denizens of the Eve Online alt community.
What minority and what interests? Allow me to explain something to you... simply STATING something doesn't make it a reality. Do you have any form of measurement which clearly shows the opinions of large groups of people to determine what is a minority or majority opinion?
No. You do not. That is actually part of the exercise of the CSM. It is for people to have their voices heard and to choose representatives to espouse those ideas. We'll discover if I represent a minority by virtue of if I am elected.
What simple question am I not answering? I've responded to every single question posed in this thread in order.
Unless this is the question... just a sec...
Originally by: GalactiColossus again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience??
I think you're referring to the ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THIS THREAD ISSUE of my choice of words on our private forum regarding "rigging" the election. The word "rigging" was used in jest and if you actually read the thread, all that is done is my corporation is instructed how we'd prefer our members vote. This is hardly a scandal of any type and I can't force anyone to do anything. I'm obviously being assaulted by the "devoid of humor" crowd here and if you can't get a joke or sarcasm then you're probably correct, you don't want me representing you.
I really don't understand the rest of that.
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Darius JOHNSON
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.05.06 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules.
Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets".
By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit.
Miner's and IndustrialistĘs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve.
Miners are fair targets. There. I said it. I'd have said it from the get go.
I will also state that I am completely objective as far as this is concerned despite your unsuccessful attempts to paint me otherwise.
What I DONT support is the concept of an Eve without consequences or miners in invincible safe zones getting rich. That's ridiculous and won't happen regardless of who you nominate as the devs aren't idiots.
At least be honest in your characterizations. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg
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