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Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.01 19:57:00 - [1] I promise not to write a book as an introduction piece. My overall greatest concern for Eve is the maintenance of the sandbox aspect of the game. I think everyone can agree that POS warfare needs a good looking into. I also think the new player experience could use quite a bit of refinement. Ultimately these are just a pair of the everyday problems that I contend with within Eve and as a CSM I don't believe that it is my responsibility to necessarily create the dialog, but rather to help shape and advocate for it. I think the CSM affords us a unique opportunity to have a voice in the shaping of our game. I also think that with this opportunity comes great responsibility and we need to be careful what we wish for. I'd be happy to respond to any questions you may have in the thread below. www.dariusjohnson.net
mishkof Caldari Dirty Denizens	Posted - 2008.05.01 23:59:00 - [2] Edited by: mishkof on 01/05/2008 23:59:21 Your thread looks a little lonely. Although you are a goonie, I will give you some softballs. - What is your thoughts on the current statis of T2 BPOs? I would like you to explain your thoughts with an emphasis on the market and oppurtuities for industrialists in mind first, and an impact on PVP as secondary(higher cost = less PVP IMO). - Can you expand on any ideas that you have to fix POS warfare? As a PVPer primarily this feature interests me greatly. Not just mechanics for killling and defending them, but for Sov in general as this would be greatly affected. - What do you mean by new player experiances? Do you mean more in-depth PVE to get them finanacialy stable? Do you mean easier ways to get them PVPing? Better tutorial? Please clarify. - Do you believe that titans are a functional, realistic addition to the game to this point? Do they prohibit PVP? Do they help defend hard earned Sov properly etc etc... - What is your real problem with pubbies? Did they touch you in bad places? Feel free to answer any, all or none of these. I own a T2 BPO and Capital alt, therefor all of my views will be pro-Capital Alt/T2 BPO orientated. Please pick one of the following settings for your response. []hate me []troll me []smack me
Hamfast Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.02 14:35:00 - [3] I have several questions, and taking a page out of Talkuth RelÆs book, I decided to ask each candidate in their own threadà 1)Invention û A good idea that still needs workà a.Have you ever tried invention? b.What ideas do you have to improve invention? 2)Pilot Security Level û Should it be more important? a.(In High Sec) û Should Concord react faster if the victim has a higher security level? If the attacker has a lower rating? b.Should the Security Level of a system affect changes to Pilot Security level changes? c.Should the Security Level of a Targeted Pilot have more of an effect on the security change of the attacker? 3)Industry û The Creators of Eve a.Do you regularly build anything? b.Do you regularly mine? c.What do you think could be done to improve industry in Eve? d.You have been asked to help with new ships for industrial characters, describe a few ideasà
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:24:00 - [4] Originally by: mishkof Edited by: mishkof on 01/05/2008 23:59:21 Your thread looks a little lonely. Although you are a goonie, I will give you some softballs. - What is your thoughts on the current statis of T2 BPOs? I would like you to explain your thoughts with an emphasis on the market and oppurtuities for industrialists in mind first, and an impact on PVP as secondary(higher cost = less PVP IMO). - Can you expand on any ideas that you have to fix POS warfare? As a PVPer primarily this feature interests me greatly. Not just mechanics for killling and defending them, but for Sov in general as this would be greatly affected. - What do you mean by new player experiances? Do you mean more in-depth PVE to get them finanacialy stable? Do you mean easier ways to get them PVPing? Better tutorial? Please clarify. - Do you believe that titans are a functional, realistic addition to the game to this point? Do they prohibit PVP? Do they help defend hard earned Sov properly etc etc... - What is your real problem with pubbies? Did they touch you in bad places? Feel free to answer any, all or none of these. Thanks for the softball! Let me see here... - I'm not much of a production lad myself. The people I've spoken to within my alliance however seem pretty happy with the state of invention and were long unhappy with the lottery. Eventually we had a few newer folks win bpos in the lottery, but it seemed to be one of those things that the winners loved and the losers hate. The lottery also allowed for market manipulation which is less of an issue now. That being said with so many more people involved in t2 production I'd think you'd see prices go down overtime as the market balances itself out. - SOV warfare... I personally tie some of my concern for this to another issue I have which is supercap inflation, but I'll try to limit my response to the pos's themselves. One of the more interesting aspects of the new modules that were introduced was the idea that you could create opportunity for fleet fights without caps. This was largely a pipedream, as what ends up happening in reality is that bridges are used to bypass the restrictions of the jammer, loading caps/supercaps into the jammed system and leading to a situation where a standard fleet is simply outmatched without fail on the jammer. I'd like to understand a bit more about what the dev's actual intentions were for jammers and bridges and take a good long look at how they're actually employed to see if this is what they wanted. I'd think not. - Prior to Goonfleet a great many current Goon players, myself included, had started the game even in beta, and quit because it was simply not very well explained and too hard to figure out or get involved in. Goonfleet has done a mountain of work internally to help people we recruit from outside of eve over this hump. I am a bit torn because I think the fact that this thing is player-driven right now is a good thing, but I also think that a great deal of Eve's mechanics are horribly documented if at all from the types of things a newbie would need to know right down to POS warfare. I'd like to at the least see a bit better documentation as both the fresh-from-the clonevat newbie and the 2 year old newbie could benefit. - I think that Titans were a fairly poorly conceived product. Hilariously broken at their inception, they have now been further broken by supercap inflation. They're no longer a rare commodity when an alliance can field 12. A non-rare commodity with a magic button on it that can obliterate with one shot most of what's on the overview is just silly. I personally think the original concept of a kind of roving starbase was much more useful than the mess that titans have turned into. They are game breaking. - Pubbies are a natural target for a sense of nationalistic pride. Many just have simply awful ideas or say silly things. v0v We have pubbies in our alliance just so we have someone to pick on. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:28:00 - [5] Why should we trust you?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Hamfast I have several questions, and taking a page out of Talkuth RelÆs book, I decided to ask each candidate in their own threadà 1)Invention û A good idea that still needs workà a.Have you ever tried invention? b.What ideas do you have to improve invention? 2)Pilot Security Level û Should it be more important? a.(In High Sec) û Should Concord react faster if the victim has a higher security level? If the attacker has a lower rating? b.Should the Security Level of a system affect changes to Pilot Security level changes? c.Should the Security Level of a Targeted Pilot have more of an effect on the security change of the attacker? 3)Industry û The Creators of Eve a.Do you regularly build anything? b.Do you regularly mine? c.What do you think could be done to improve industry in Eve? d.You have been asked to help with new ships for industrial characters, describe a few ideasà Oh boy this is quite a lot of questions. Let me see. 1) a. No I have not personally tried invention. There are a number of people I know who get a great deal of isk from it and are really happy actually being able to manufacture t2 items, but I am not one of them. b. I'm personally not familiar enough with the overall process to weigh in on what should be changed. I'd have to take a poll. 2) a. I'm not sure concord reaction times should matter. I do think negative rating should have an effect, but I don't think reaction time would be an adequate representation of this. We also need to be careful when we talk abotu sec status and restrictions. You can look no further than what Ultima Online turned into as an example of why segregation can fail miserably. b. This I don't necessarily have a problem with. If you're mucking about shooting innocents in a higher security system it would make sense that your penalty would be higher. c. This is also an item I'm not necessarily against. It seems to make sense that someone who is valued by concord being killed would concern them more than someone they didn't care about. 3) I'm sensing a pattern here... a. I've dabbled on and off in industry. I'm actually getting a lot more involved now. b. I still mine fairly regularly as well. Many people despise mining because they find it boring, but I really have never had a problem with it. c. I think the current move towards allowing the markets to adjust themselves without artificial external influences is a good thing. I'm personally looking forward to a REAL completely player driven economy. d. I'm going to try to come back to this one. I don't really have an answer off the top of my head. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:46:00 - [7] Originally by: LaVista Vista Why should we trust you? Why should you not? I see nothing there but a thread informing my alliance who we'll be voting for. The better question would be why should anyone trust the spy who would release that information in an obvious attempt to create ill will? http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:52:00 - [8] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista Why should we trust you? Why should you not? I see nothing there but a thread informing my alliance who we'll be voting for. The better question would be why should anyone trust the spy who would release that information in an obvious attempt to create ill will? So is it incorrect that the philosophy of goonswarm is to screw things up? I remember that goonswarm has been very vocal in the general internet media, about how they like to grief games like second life and eve online. Remember the sharkbait incident?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 16:58:00 - [9] I want to use this bit of space here to provide you with a bit of a resume so to speak. I am 29 years old. I am currently employed as a computer forensic investigator for a top 5 global pharmaceutical company. I also have a strong background in information security and application development. Most of my application development type experience involved translating business or security related goals to programmers, so that they could be addressed correctly. Doing so requires an understanding of programmatic systems and how the application functions. I began my MMO career in the early days of Ultima Online. Later in UO I was a member of the LuT guild and still maintain contact with some of my buddies from there. After leaving UO I spent some time helping run two rather well known player run shards... IPY and UO:Redemption. Once they had shut down I found my way to Eve as a Goonfleet newbie. I am currently the CEO of the largest corporation in Eve. This I believe gives me a unique perspective on how some mechanics function at the higher levels of membership, though I wouldn't expect CCP to fix or even address a problem that was unique to myself. I've also become fairly familiar with what many would consider the "end game" gameplay and have my own ideas and opinions regarding that. I think that misconceptions aside, my intention is to do my best to ensure that we are all playing the game we want to be playing, not some horrible mishmash of ill conceived ideas. I think it's important for us to preserve the sandbox while not being afraid to try new things. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:03:00 - [10] BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i LaVista Vista /i hr height=1 noshade BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i Darius JOHNSON /i hr height=1 noshade BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i LaVista Vista /i hr height=1 noshade a href= http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0805/rig.png target= _blank http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0805/rig.png /a Why should we trust you? Why should you not? I see nothing there but a thread informing my alliance who we'll be voting for. The better question would be why should anyone trust the spy who would release that information in an obvious attempt to create ill will? So is it incorrect that the philosophy of goonswarm is to screw things up? I remember that goonswarm has been very vocal in the general internet media, about how they like to grief games like second life and eve online. Remember the sharkbait incident? I think if you spent more time observing our actions than the words of our enemies you'd have a different opinion. Goonswarm doesn't have a "philosophy". Contrary to popular belief there is also no "manifesto". We don't play second life, we play eve online and play within the frame of the game mechanics. Sharkbait? I don't recall the exact details, but I'll say the same thing to you I said to the last mysterious alt to appear to ask me questions along those lines... I don't work for any press. I can't control what they print. You'd have to ask them why they wrote a story. If I'm "vocal in the general internet media" it will be because a reporter asked me a question. v0v I fail to see that as a CSM issue in any way. As a matter of fact, none of these are CSM issues. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:03:00 - [11] The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it?
Gordon Goldor	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:05:00 - [12] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista Why should we trust you? Why should you not? I see nothing there but a thread informing my alliance who we'll be voting for. The better question would be why should anyone trust the spy who would release that information in an obvious attempt to create ill will? So is it incorrect that the philosophy of goonswarm is to screw things up? I remember that goonswarm has been very vocal in the general internet media, about how they like to grief games like second life and eve online. Remember the sharkbait incident? Remember what CCP says eve stands for? "A cold, harsh, uncaring world..." Goons fit perfectly into eve. Their slogan would be: "A cold, harsh, uncaring, SERIOUS world" The internet IS serious business, and the goons know it.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:07:00 - [13] Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. Well, you didn't ask my original question. How will goonswarm take CSM seriously?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:26:00 - [15] Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. Well, you didn't ask my original question. How will goonswarm take CSM seriously? Since you've actually framed it as a question I'm happy to respond, though I wont't speak for every member of Goonswarm. I am an individual running for the opportunity to represent the interests of the larger playerbase of Eve Online, an internet spaceship game. The corporation that I am a member of is involved in every aspect of the game, and as such have a great deal of concern for the future direction of the game as well as a great deal of interest in seeing player grievances handled in a responsible way. At the end of the day it is in our best interest to see this sandbox flourish and carefully balanced. Part of what we do is to introduce people to Eve who would not otherwise be playing. There's a great deal of insinuation that we wouldn't take the position seriously or that we wish some ill on the game itself, but I find that to be rather silly given that I know our motivation is to play a game that is fun and provides us with entertainment. I believe the CSM's creation was a recognition by CCP that they'd like to have some form of controlled input from the playerbase to help them with their future direction and to key in on things they may not otherwise have considered themselves. I personally have a great deal of motivation to contribute to this process and dialogue in a meaningful and significant way. Towers and infrastructure don't fuel themselves. Ships don't build themselves. Ships don't destroy themselves and regions don't simply flip to alliances without a great deal of work. While some of us, myself included, can be greatly irreverant regarding many things I think that the amount of work I've put into the game tells a different story then that of a person who doesn't take the game seriously. It's a game and should be treated as such on one level and on another, there's a great deal of work that goes into playing the game depending on what endeavours you commit to. Herding 3000 Goons is no easy task and certainly not one that could be done without taking it seriously. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Teclis van'Dreike Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:37:00 - [16] Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 05/05/2008 17:38:22 Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 05/05/2008 17:37:40 Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 05/05/2008 17:37:10 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. Well, you didn't ask my original question. How will goonswarm take CSM seriously? A big part of Gonnswarm, much like a big part of the rest of the playerbase, does not really care about that CSM thing or take it seriously. The Goonswarm candidates, however, take it very seriously. And that's all that should matter. ~Never underestimate the power of a Dark Clown.
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:39:00 - [17] Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 05/05/2008 17:37:10 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. Well, you didn't ask my original question. How will goonswarm take CSM seriously? A big part of Gonnswarm, much like a big part of the rest of the playerbase, does not really bother about that CSM thing or take it seriously. The Gonnswarm candidates, however, take it very seriously. And that's all that should matter. Really, the concern I have, is that goonswarm candidates are gonna try and spoil CSM, due to the way they usually conduct themself. It might be totally unreasonable. I think GS has more respect for themself than that. But you never know.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:44:00 - [18] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 05/05/2008 17:44:12 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Teclis van'Dreike Edited by: Teclis van''Dreike on 05/05/2008 17:37:10 Originally by: LaVista Vista Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: LaVista Vista The url of your sig speaks volumes, doesn't it? Does it? If you have questions related to the CSM ask them. Well, you didn't ask my original question. How will goonswarm take CSM seriously? A big part of Gonnswarm, much like a big part of the rest of the playerbase, does not really bother about that CSM thing or take it seriously. The Gonnswarm candidates, however, take it very seriously. And that's all that should matter. Really, the concern I have, is that goonswarm candidates are gonna try and spoil CSM, due to the way they usually conduct themself. It might be totally unreasonable. I think GS has more respect for themself than that. But you never know. I think that if you take a look at our presentation from Fanfest last year, or Bane's Titan manifesto, you'll have an example of what happens when we commit ourselves to accomplishing things. I was there for the presentation. Like I said earlier, though we may be a bit flippant at times I wouldn't mistake that for a lack of concern or desire to do hard work. I'm a pretty hard working dude, who wants to see a better game myself. I wouldn't have paid to go to Iceland for a videogame conference I didn't care about. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
LaVista Vista Conservative Shenanigans Party	Posted - 2008.05.05 17:47:00 - [19] I think that was a good answer. Thanks.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:01:00 - [20] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I think that misconceptions aside, my intention is to do my best to ensure that we are all playing the game we want to be playing.. . Oh yes we all should vote for Darius the Leader of the Glorious Goons. They have shown themselves to be very concerned about players being able to play the game they want to be playing. Why this link will prove this without a doubt. (Proof of the loving touch) Just look at all the players your corporation has touched. IÆm quite sure they are all going to vote for you. Everyone please do go out and vote for the Glorious Gasbag Leader today. Miners Response
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:45:00 - [21] span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 05/05/2008 22:45:44 /i /span br span style= font-size:7pt i Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 05/05/2008 22:45:26 /i /span br BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i TeddyBr FTW /i hr height=1 noshade BLOCKQUOTE font class=quote size=9px face= Verdana img src= /images/icon_quote_message.gif border= 0 b Originally by: /b i Darius JOHNSON /i hr height=1 noshade I think that misconceptions aside, my intention is to do my best to ensure that we are all playing the game we want to be playing.. . hr height=1 noshade /font /BLOCKQUOTE br br Oh yes we all should vote for Darius the Leader of the Glorious Goons. They have shown themselves to be very concerned about players being able to play the game they want to be playing. Why this link will prove this without a doubt. a href= http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills&w=12&y=2008 target= _blank Proof of the loving touch /a Just look at all the players your corporation has touched. IÆm quite sure they are all going to vote for you. br br Everyone please do go out and vote for the Glorious Gasbag Leader today. br br br br center /center br a href= http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=741619 target= _blank http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=741619 /a Miners Response Clearly if you think people should be able to mine semi afk completely without any threat of negative repurcussions in lowsec I am not the candidate for you. v0v http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
margina sky	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:51:00 - [22] Q: why do you think that you should be part of the CSM team when you dont appear to have any concern for the eve community, your a racist, complete fool who has no respect for other players. What is it that you will bring to the table that others who are applying will not? You have a great history of being a massive **** to everyone, I simply cannot understand why you would be considered a great candidate.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.05 22:52:00 - [23] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Clearly if you think people should be able to mine ... in lowsec I am not the candidate for you. The link shows High Sec Gankings on the part of your fellow Goons. Clearly... (since you don't have a clue what was going on in your own corp) why should people be voting for you.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Goumindong on 05/05/2008 23:08:45 Quoting to fix BB Code. Ive not a clue why it won't come out right for you Darius. Usually its quotation marks embedded in brackets, but i can't find any that would cause the problem. Quoting it seems to work for some reason. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 05/05/2008 22:45:44 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 05/05/2008 22:45:26 Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I think that misconceptions aside, my intention is to do my best to ensure that we are all playing the game we want to be playing.. . Oh yes we all should vote for Darius the Leader of the Glorious Goons. They have shown themselves to be very concerned about players being able to play the game they want to be playing. Why this link will prove this without a doubt. (Proof of the loving touch) Just look at all the players your corporation has touched. IÆm quite sure they are all going to vote for you. Everyone please do go out and vote for the Glorious Gasbag Leader today. Miners Response Clearly if you think people should be able to mine semi afk completely without any threat of negative repurcussions in lowsec I am not the candidate for you. v0v Vote Goumindong for CSM
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:15:00 - [25] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Clearly if you think people should be able to mine ... in lowsec I am not the candidate for you. The link shows High Sec Gankings on the part of your fellow Goons. Clearly... (since you don't have a clue what was going on in your own corp) why should people be voting for you. I apologize, I used the wrong word. HIGH SEC, and let's avoid the selective editing as if it's impossible to mine and I'm taking a position I'm not. When CCP changes the mechanics or declares it illegal for us to attack miners in high security systems we'll stop. Until then, those are the rules we live by. Welcome to Eve. Again, my agenda is preserving the sandbox which includes nurturing the cold harsh environment of space. If you don't like that perhaps you've been drawn to the wrong game. I don't see why the rules should change so that you can macro mine. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I don't see why the rules should change so that you can macro mine. I suspect that the a majority of people you gasbags killed in the first 6 weeks were not macro miners and I'm quite sure you can't prove they were. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I apologize, I used the wrong word. So you can't even think to edit you posts before you hit the submit button and you expect people to vote for you?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:28:00 - [27] Originally by: margina sky Q: why do you think that you should be part of the CSM team when you dont appear to have any concern for the eve community, your a racist, complete fool who has no respect for other players. What is it that you will bring to the table that others who are applying will not? You have a great history of being a massive **** to everyone, I simply cannot understand why you would be considered a great candidate. Concern for the eve community? Already addressed. You can refer to my previous posts. Racist? I'm afraid you have the wrong guy. Being racist in Eve would actually be against the EULA. I'll welcome you to retract that vicious attack on my character though. Complete fool with no respect for other players? Baseless personal attack.. no need to respond to that. Great history of being a massive BADWORD? I'll lump that in with the previous statement, though your flare for the creation of history is impressive... work on the spelling. What I bring to the table is a proven track record of management, a professional record that is somewhat different than the rest but completely pertinent and a great deal of previously exhibited care and concern for what happens in this game. Now that game may be different from yours in the Republic Military Academy, but it is indeed a part of the game. I daresay that when all is said and done I represent myself and my corporation without the need to hide behind an alt. I can see the need for one to hide I guess if you're one who wishes to cast unfounded disparaging remarks and avoid having them attached to your person. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.05 23:31:00 - [28] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I don't see why the rules should change so that you can macro mine. I suspect that the a majority of people you gasbags killed in the first 6 weeks were not macro miners and I'm quite sure you can't prove they were. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I apologize, I used the wrong word. So you can't even think to edit you posts before you hit the submit button and you expect people to vote for you? I suspect that you can't prove that they WEREN'T macro miners. The point being that were they paying attention to local and operating in a manner more befitting the security level of the space they were mining in then they wouldn't have been blown up. I can only assume based on the careless manner in which they continued to operate in this less than secure space that they weren't paying attention. Macroing or perhaps asleep at the wheel as the case may be. As to the other point.. I don't recall running on a platform of flawless posting. You can have that one. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:18:00 - [29] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I can only assume based on the careless manner in which they continued to operate in this less than secure space that they weren't paying attention. There is nothing in the rules of Eve that says you have to pay attention while in high sec mining. In fact they can be afk mining. AFK miners are not breaking the Eula as macro miners are... so you should NOT lump the two together. Your corp was instrumental in destroying the game play of over a thousand miners with your high sec Ganking. That clearly shows how interested you are in allowing "players being able to play the game they want to be playing."
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 02:52:00 - [30] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I can only assume based on the careless manner in which they continued to operate in this less than secure space that they weren't paying attention. There is nothing in the rules of Eve that says you have to pay attention while in high sec mining. In fact they can be afk mining. AFK miners are not breaking the Eula as macro miners are... so you should NOT lump the two together. Your corp was instrumental in destroying the game play of over a thousand miners with your high sec Ganking. That clearly shows how interested you are in allowing "players being able to play the game they want to be playing." And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules. I'd recommend they find a place that's actually safe to play in that situation, rather than assume that people will simply leave them alone to afk mine just because. Getting killed in Eve is a risk we all take. That's part of the game. I have absolutely no interest in the game being gimped so that a few dudes can mine in systems of their choosing unattended. There is plenty within the mechanics to keep them moderately safe if they had chosen to do so. They chose instead to gamble and take a risk. They lost. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Draygo Korvan Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 03:09:00 - [31] I hate to see a questions solely focused on the negatives of the game. Darius Johnson, what do you think is the most attractive part of EvE? What would you do as a CSM to improve on or nurture that aspect? How do you plan to remain communicable to the entire eve community as a whole to try to represent the community to CCP? --
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 05:20:00 - [32] Originally by: Draygo Korvan I hate to see a questions solely focused on the negatives of the game. Darius Johnson, what do you think is the most attractive part of EvE? What would you do as a CSM to improve on or nurture that aspect? How do you plan to remain communicable to the entire eve community as a whole to try to represent the community to CCP? I think the most attractive part of Eve is its open and free feeling nature. From the economy to the open and lawless 0.0 environment Eve is truly what you make of it. No other game on the market currently allows for this kind of freedom. Within the contexts of that freedom are a plethora of activities for all different types of players be they miners or the hardcore pvpers... ratters or the more hardcore pvpers... It is this openness and freedom which I find to be the most attractive thing about this game. The beauty of freedom is that it need not be improved upon persay. While individual mechanics may be adjusted to impact smaller systems within the game I believe that for Eve to retain its basest nature, from a high level any potential impact on those freedoms must be taken into consideration carefully. Thankfully thus far the dev team appears to have been fairly evenhanded in this regard. As a voice for the community I believe part of what I can bring to the table is the considered and carefully structured dialogue which will serve to allow the right questions to be asked regarding the infringement of various suggestions on this system of freedom. The ability to see things from both a macro and a micro level. Well from the get go we are all going to be responsible for interacting with the community in the CSM forums. I think as regards other avenues of communication an IRC channel may not be a horrible idea. One important item to note is that in order for the CSM to function properly I believe as much of the dialogue as possible should take place in the public theater where everyone can contribute their ideas and concerns. Niche chatrooms and closeted communication doesn't help the council as a whole. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Disunity Gallente Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.05.06 06:29:00 - [33] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Racist? I'm afraid you have the wrong guy. Being racist in Eve would actually be against the EULA. I believe he was refering to real life; A good example being your own forums where you constantly refer to the logistic side of Goonswarm as *****z and Jews. We are being ask to vote people into the CSM not characters. Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Footfist Headknocker	Posted - 2008.05.06 06:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Disunity Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Racist? I'm afraid you have the wrong guy. Being racist in Eve would actually be against the EULA. I believe he was refering to real life; A good example being your own forums where you constantly refer to the logistic side of Goonswarm as *****z and Jews. We are being ask to vote people into the CSM not characters. Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded.
DeathWarXIII	Posted - 2008.05.06 07:02:00 - [35] Hmm... too many rumors of goon scams.... soo pass
Disunity Gallente Royal Regiment of Wales	Posted - 2008.05.06 07:12:00 - [36] Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded. Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer. Inveniam viam aut faciam.
Footfist Headknocker	Posted - 2008.05.06 07:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Disunity Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded. Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer. I think I found some of what you had in mind. Although that piece wasn't written by him, but it says alot about the type of humour shared by their inner circle. That sort of crap is funny when you're sixteen and don't know any better...
Super Whopper	Posted - 2008.05.06 09:01:00 - [38] The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game. Also the proposed Carrier nerf I find rather ridiculous. Please explain to me why I should vote for either you or any Goon.
PartyPopper GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Super Whopper The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game. Ooh link me to this please, I've never even read it! It's almost as if it doesn't exist.
GalactiColossus Gallente Sphinx Inc	Posted - 2008.05.06 11:36:00 - [40] It has been clear to my understanding of things that not only you dont take such election seriouly, but you defend the interests of a few minority that will be reflected as a reality if you are elected. There is no daught that your unability to answer a simble and yet compromising question as made this, your campaign, rather unpleasant for me, and for other too. again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience?? again, this is my personal understanding, Anyone is free to give me a REASONABLE ANSWER, and i mean REASONABLE!!.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:52:00 - [41] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules. Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets". By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit. Miner's and IndustrialistÆs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 12:59:00 - [42] Edited by: Killer Kelly on 06/05/2008 13:00:33 I was a goon once in another game (was never a SA member though, so not here). I must say that every GOON leader I have worked with has been highly intelligent and level-headed. Individual Goons may vary in thier level of stupidity, but so does every other member of any other alliance. Besides, EVE is a game of scams and chicanery, its not up to the game to protect you from your own naivety. I believe that the GOONS are a liberating force in this game. Otherwise, I would be sitting here looking around at all the seriousbusiness and roleplayers wondering why I'm here. Things like Velator blobs and "Little Bees" and NOA congo lines make me glad I'm in EVE. EDIT: Added a question. Should miners be encouraged to move away from the safety of high-sec through in-game persuasion?
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:00:00 - [43] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules. Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets". By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit. Miner's and IndustrialistÆs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve. Yeah, there are no miners or industrialists in Goonfleet or GoonSwarm. GF is not the largest corp in the game with many, many different people doing many, many different things. We all either PvP or play spacestation sim while chatting. Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse. Do you actually have a question now your opinions have been made evident? Yo, Darius: If you could make/advocate one change in the game, what would it be and why?
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Killer Kelly I believe that the GOONS are a liberating force in this game. Yes they are!! Goons liberate miners from their ships.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:08:00 - [45] I believe that the GOONS liberate miners from the evil called being bored to death in high-sec.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:19:00 - [46] Originally by: KeratinBoy Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse. I represent the views of hundreds of miners and industrialists who were mad enough to trust and give 7 billion isk to a complete stranger to wardec Goons for how they were treated in this game. They have a right to be heard through me. Now maybe Darius only meant to gank the macro miners. And if that is the case now would be the time to make that apology and tell the Eve community how he would fight macro mining while leaving the honest high sec mining community alone? And how he would fix the insurance payout for high sec ganking to make it fair towards all.
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:35:00 - [47] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW They have a right to be heard through me. But not in this forum. Unless you feel that Darius cannot separate his CEO duties from his CSM duties - if elected - you are using the wrong forum. If you do feel that he cannot separate the two, I suggest you post to express that and move on.
Super Whopper	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:40:00 - [48] Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987 I have decided I will not vote for you.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:46:00 - [49] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987 I have decided I will not vote for you. You were never going to vote for him or any other Goon to begin with so hell yeah Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Sally Bestonge GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987 I have decided I will not vote for you. It seems kind of silly you would base darius Johnsons's opinions on james 315 who are completely different people. Hust saying.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 13:59:00 - [51] Originally by: KeratinBoy But not in this forum. I am a voter and have a right to be heard just as any other. You are showing the boot of the Goons: Shut up any that disagree with you.
Gorobom	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:04:00 - [52] Edited by: Gorobom on 06/05/2008 14:06:25 Goon here. There's a great thing about Darius JOHNSON, and the thing is that he's the only candidate I know who is TRULY concerned about capital ships, as it is something that has been genuinely treating the balance of the game, but is invisible to many, many people who stay in high-sec. Besides, he has a greater responsibility in-game than any other candidate around. Ever since Darius became our CEO he's been one of the few persons I've seen who are really worried about EVE. Edit: There are thousands of members in goonswarm, most of which are very vocal since we, well, come from an internet forum. Darius has real concerns about the game and is a responsible, qualified individual. These concerns have a very, very broad range.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:21:00 - [53] Darius, As you know, no matter the size and space held by a 0.0 alliance, it is simply impossible to be completely independent from Empire or low-sec. The control towers, their modules and even some of the fuel for them are not able to be manufactured. Instead, they are provided by CCP via NPC sell orders. Even for something as mundane as moon mining and selling the materials locally to 0.0 producers, you are still forced to either import for yourself or rely on an importer for fuel. My question is, what are your feelings on both 0.0 and Empire dwellers be reliant on NPC sell orders for certain items, and just how independent do you believe that 0.0 alliances be allowed to be from Empire. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Narciss Sevar Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.06 14:56:00 - [54] Darius, what are your views on smaller gang warfare and the application of that in 0.0 sovereignty wars?
Jackylucy	Posted - 2008.05.06 15:17:00 - [55] I was under the impression there would be more than one member of the 'council'? If this is the case, then I think it would be prefectly legitimate for one of those members to be from the Goons, if this is going to be at all based on proportional representation. In my opinion some of the candidates have taken this very seriously, and others seem to be very quiet about the whole thing - the guys from Goons have been among those who have taken if very seriously, and for that commitment I will certainly consider voting for them. I truly believe that most of the detrimental posts here are personal disgruntlements. Since I am not fully aware of the Goon activities in high-sec space, I cannot fully comment my opinion on them. I can say however that I have been destroyed in high-sec before, once carrying an Apocalypse BPO. That unfortunately is just EvE. Targeting Goons for this sort of activity is stupid, since the only people who can properly change it are the developers at CCP. Goons aren't breaking any rules, if they were they would be banned - so maybe with these sort of things they are simply outlining current 'issues' with the game. Personally I don't care for it that much, I am happy that they drive miners to low sec so that I can get them. Yarr. Good luck in the election Goons.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:09:00 - [56] Oh good lord look at what I get for sleeping. Allow me to grab some lunch and I'll dig into this wonderful conversation.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:46:00 - [57] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 16:48:51 Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Originally by: Disunity Originally by: Footfist Headknocker Link or screenshot the reference please. It sounds strange that a guy so used to people would be that narrowminded. Well I can't repost or link since "inappropriate and racist comments" are removed from these forums, but if you do a bit of googling you'l find it below the Offensive Search Results disclaimer. I think I found some of what you had in mind. Although that piece wasn't written by him, but it says alot about the type of humour shared by their inner circle. That sort of crap is funny when you're sixteen and don't know any better... One item of note... I don't tell people what not to or what not to say or how to play Eve. Goons are permitted to do whatever it is they please at any given time. One could make the argument that regardless of the perceived negativity of the comments, they were made in jest. If you do not like a particular brand of humor you're free not to read it or enjoy it. Insinuating that someone else shouldn't or attributing a particular statement to an entire group of people is just silly. I think Eve Asteroid jokes are unfunny and bothersome. My solution... I don't read them. I don't attempt some form of self righteous crusade against a completely unrelated third party for being guilty of making them by association. If I don't like what you say in the context of a videogame I'll find you in that videogame and shoot you. Of note as well... I'd hardly call a public website which anyone with an account can post to, or even a private forum which any of the thousands of people can post to, an "inner circle". A 3000 man inner circle will make for quite the wedding party. I'm also completely unapologetic for what they've written and to be frank, when I did read the article I laughed at the parody which was presented. We're all offended by different things. I'd recommend that if you have such a soft outer shell that a word or two damages your tender sensibilities you not go out of your way to find them. If ever I receive a Goon complaint from any of the rather ethnically diverse crowd of Goons who have actually been granted access to the site, then I'll consider their opinions. Tearing down a steel wall to see what's behind it because you know it will hurt you or emotionally scar you for life is just ridiculous. Stop being silly geese. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 16:53:00 - [58] Originally by: Super Whopper The Goon manifesto states that the only goal Goons have in EVE is to make everyones life a misery and to ruin the game. Also the proposed Carrier nerf I find rather ridiculous. Please explain to me why I should vote for either you or any Goon. There is no manifesto. I'll assume you got this information from wherever BRUCE invented it from. We HAVE NO MANIFESTO. If someone took their time to write one, then it's certainly not any official stance. Link it to me though as I'd love to read it. It may have some new policies I'd like to adopt. I'm not familiar with the carrier nerf either... it certainly isn't my proposal or one I've been involved in. To explain your vote... you vote for whomever you think will be a good CSM representative. Say what you will about Goons... when we set out to do something we do it. We're not always 100% successful, but a great deal of time and dedication is put into the endeavour and the results are positive more often than not. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:00:00 - [59] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 17:01:06 Originally by: GalactiColossus It has been clear to my understanding of things that not only you dont take such election seriouly, but you defend the interests of a few minority that will be reflected as a reality if you are elected. There is no daught that your unability to answer a simble and yet compromising question as made this, your campaign, rather unpleasant for me, and for other too. again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience?? again, this is my personal understanding, Anyone is free to give me a REASONABLE ANSWER, and i mean REASONABLE!!. I'm going to try really hard to understand this and answer it. If I didn't take election seriously why would I take time from my day to post here? I could be off having fun instead of being slandered and attacked by the most "honorable" denizens of the Eve Online alt community. What minority and what interests? Allow me to explain something to you... simply STATING something doesn't make it a reality. Do you have any form of measurement which clearly shows the opinions of large groups of people to determine what is a minority or majority opinion? No. You do not. That is actually part of the exercise of the CSM. It is for people to have their voices heard and to choose representatives to espouse those ideas. We'll discover if I represent a minority by virtue of if I am elected. What simple question am I not answering? I've responded to every single question posed in this thread in order. Unless this is the question... just a sec... Originally by: GalactiColossus again, WHY, Why should we trust a person that with full knowledge playes with votes making it obvious that not you but GoonSwarm it self is following a course of self benefit, and self convenience?? I think you're referring to the ALREADY ADDRESSED IN THIS THREAD ISSUE of my choice of words on our private forum regarding "rigging" the election. The word "rigging" was used in jest and if you actually read the thread, all that is done is my corporation is instructed how we'd prefer our members vote. This is hardly a scandal of any type and I can't force anyone to do anything. I'm obviously being assaulted by the "devoid of humor" crowd here and if you can't get a joke or sarcasm then you're probably correct, you don't want me representing you. I really don't understand the rest of that. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:05:00 - [60] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules. Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets". By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit. Miner's and IndustrialistÆs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve. Miners are fair targets. There. I said it. I'd have said it from the get go. I will also state that I am completely objective as far as this is concerned despite your unsuccessful attempts to paint me otherwise. What I DONT support is the concept of an Eve without consequences or miners in invincible safe zones getting rich. That's ridiculous and won't happen regardless of who you nominate as the devs aren't idiots. At least be honest in your characterizations. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Killer Kelly Edited by: Killer Kelly on 06/05/2008 13:00:33 I was a goon once in another game (was never a SA member though, so not here). I must say that every GOON leader I have worked with has been highly intelligent and level-headed. Individual Goons may vary in thier level of stupidity, but so does every other member of any other alliance. Besides, EVE is a game of scams and chicanery, its not up to the game to protect you from your own naivety. I believe that the GOONS are a liberating force in this game. Otherwise, I would be sitting here looking around at all the seriousbusiness and roleplayers wondering why I'm here. Things like Velator blobs and "Little Bees" and NOA congo lines make me glad I'm in EVE. EDIT: Added a question. Should miners be encouraged to move away from the safety of high-sec through in-game persuasion? Firstly I'll thank you for your rather clearheaded statement. A statement which is rooted in actual facts from firsthand knowledge instead of the whisperings of past enemies, unwritten manifestos or third party opinion pieces. To answer your question... I honestly don't care where miners mine. They should simply be cognizant of their surroundings and understand that depending on where they are there are varying degrees of risk. The perceived sense of entitlement I'm detecting which states that "I mine therefore I should be invincible wherever I choose to do so" is absolutely ridiculous and absolutely against the very basic ideals of the game itself. Eve is a harsh mistress by design. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:11:00 - [62] Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And likewise there is nothing in the rules guaranteeing your safety. As a matter of fact, the rules specifically limit their safety. Until those rules are changed they are fair targets. "Playing the game they want to be playing" has to extend within the framework of the rules. Oh I never said that miners were completely safe in High Sec... nor that ganking miners was against the rules.... but good people take a look at Darius's terminology: "Miners are fair targets". By his very words Darius has shown that he is not an objective candidate in regards to miner's or industrialist's views. He is a PvP'er at heart and will NOT work to your benefit. Miner's and IndustrialistÆs. Look to other candidates to be fair an impartial towards your goals and needs in the game of Eve. Yeah, there are no miners or industrialists in Goonfleet or GoonSwarm. GF is not the largest corp in the game with many, many different people doing many, many different things. We all either PvP or play spacestation sim while chatting. Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse. Do you actually have a question now your opinions have been made evident? Yo, Darius: If you could make/advocate one change in the game, what would it be and why? This is a tough question. This is a placeholder to shelve it and come back. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:19:00 - [63] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: KeratinBoy Your sour grapes are willful and obtuse. I represent the views of hundreds of miners and industrialists who were mad enough to trust and give 7 billion isk to a complete stranger to wardec Goons for how they were treated in this game. They have a right to be heard through me. Now maybe Darius only meant to gank the macro miners. And if that is the case now would be the time to make that apology and tell the Eve community how he would fight macro mining while leaving the honest high sec mining community alone? And how he would fix the insurance payout for high sec ganking to make it fair towards all. I apologize for nothing. You see... by hiring mercs you actually did the right thing. You protected your interests. You PLAYED THE GAME. I'm pleased with that result. The "honest highsec mining community" needs to adapt to the laws of eve and then it will only be the macro miners left as soft targets. The days of mining in complete safety as if you were entitled to it, completely oblivious to the rules of the harsh universe around you are over, unless concord sees fit to change their operating procedures... which I doubt will happen anytime soon. I could be wrong v0v. Regarding insurance? I'm not a big fan. I do think that just scrapping it outright however could have an extremely negative effect on the market. I will look forward to a dialogue, as a CSM rep or not, regarding the subject. CSM are not devs. Their role is not that of developer. Our role is that of representative. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:24:00 - [64] Originally by: Super Whopper Edited by: Super Whopper on 06/05/2008 13:40:11 I'd like to thank the Goons for another fantastic troll thread proving the small-mindedness of GS: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=764987 I have decided I will not vote for you. Um... I didn't post the thread and it's not a troll. Thanks for proving the small mindedness of "I can Has Cheeseburger inc.", a two man alt corp. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:25:00 - [65] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Miners are fair targets. There. I said it. I'd have said it from the get go. I'm sure you meant in High Sec... so I'll leave it at that. We now know where you stand on ganking the miners issue. Please go here and fill us in on all those issues.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:31:00 - [66] Originally by: Dramaticus Darius, As you know, no matter the size and space held by a 0.0 alliance, it is simply impossible to be completely independent from Empire or low-sec. The control towers, their modules and even some of the fuel for them are not able to be manufactured. Instead, they are provided by CCP via NPC sell orders. Even for something as mundane as moon mining and selling the materials locally to 0.0 producers, you are still forced to either import for yourself or rely on an importer for fuel. My question is, what are your feelings on both 0.0 and Empire dwellers be reliant on NPC sell orders for certain items, and just how independent do you believe that 0.0 alliances be allowed to be from Empire. I believe that we are heading in a direction where the market will truly be player controlled and believe that's a good thing overall. A free market without artificial restrictions will be amazing. Off of the top of my head, in a TRUE player driven economy, I can't think of a reason why I should be forced to go to empire for anything. If I can build a market in my regions why should I be punished or handicapped? From a roleplay perspective, who are the magical beings with the hidden secret power to manufacture pos's and why have we not kidnapped and tortured them for their secrets yet? It's quite silly, but understandably from a market perspective, these things need to be changed incrementally. This may very well be a part of the mandate of our new economist.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:44:00 - [67] Edited by: Goumindong on 06/05/2008 17:44:43 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I believe that we are heading in a direction where the market will truly be player controlled and believe that's a good thing overall. A free market without artificial restrictions will be amazing. Sorry to burst your bubble Darius, but this is impossible so long as its still a game. CCP has direct control of the money supply and material supply for all items in the game. Its impossible to be a free market without artificial restrictions because we will always be playing a game with arbitrary and artificial conditions. That isn't to say that there aren't things that can be improved upon[the ability to enact economic warfare, the ability to build everything in the game short of faction equipment etc], but it is to say we will always be playing in a world of fairly strict price controls and so the markets will not be "free". Vote Goumindong for CSM
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:47:00 - [68] Originally by: Narciss Sevar Darius, what are your views on smaller gang warfare and the application of that in 0.0 sovereignty wars? I think that the rumors of small gang warfare's demise are greatly exaggerated. We've seen at least two largish alliances now completely broken by it. The problem is one of risk vs. reward. Resources. The amount of resources available to a smaller gang-esque corporation in both people and isk is going to be less. There's a great vocal group on the eve-o forums at times that seems to want to insinuate that someone with fewer resources should have access to the same toys and benefits that someone with more should have and I disagree with that in principal. I think that philosophically, as game players we oftentimes blame the game for our own failures because it's easier to accept if it's someone else's fault. There are things wrong with eve. If any group of players however is unable to accomplish something then the harsh reality is that they were simply unable to sell enough people on the idea that it should be accomplished. Much like this election... I digress. Anyway my whole point is that small gang warfare even today has a wonderful application in 0.0 sovereignty wars. I just believe the application's been somewhat minimized depending on who you're fighting since the formula is changed and the combat is less dynamic. Interestingly enough the advent of cyno jammers has removed some of the dynamism and excitement from actual POS warfare. Now you know where the fleet has to be. Now you can camp it with titans and you can't lose. It's changed the focus of 0.0 warfare and helped to marginalize small gangs entirely. I don't believe this was the intended end result and I'm sure we'll see some changes at some point regarding this. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 17:51:00 - [69] Originally by: Goumindong Edited by: Goumindong on 06/05/2008 17:44:43 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I believe that we are heading in a direction where the market will truly be player controlled and believe that's a good thing overall. A free market without artificial restrictions will be amazing. Sorry to burst your bubble Darius, but this is impossible so long as its still a game. CCP has direct control of the money supply and material supply for all items in the game. Its impossible to be a free market without artificial restrictions because we will always be playing a game with arbitrary and artificial conditions. That isn't to say that there aren't things that can be improved upon[the ability to enact economic warfare, the ability to build everything in the game short of faction equipment etc], but it is to say we will always be playing in a world of fairly strict price controls and so the markets will not be "free". Allow me to amend that then to "Free within reason". Of course in a controlled environment nothing can ever truly be free.
Jonzales	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:13:00 - [70] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I apologize for nothing. You see... by hiring mercs you actually did the right thing. You protected your interests. You PLAYED THE GAME. I'm pleased with that result. In Empire, its not uncommon to be attacked/stolen from by a character who is in an NPC corp specifically to avoid people protecting their interests in that way (war, hired mercs, etc.) Do you think something could or should be done about this, or do you feel a 15 minute aggression timer is adequate?
m3rr	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:18:00 - [71] What is your viewpoint on titans? Now that alliances have 10 or more, they are quickly becoming a problem simply because they kill small gang pvp and they make large scale pvp mindless. Personally I think that they should be a mobile station with no doomsday while being a versatile fleet ship with lots of gang links. I know a lot of different people have different viewpoints, so if you could share yours it would be great.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:19:00 - [72] Originally by: Jonzales Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I apologize for nothing. You see... by hiring mercs you actually did the right thing. You protected your interests. You PLAYED THE GAME. I'm pleased with that result. In Empire, its not uncommon to be attacked/stolen from by a character who is in an NPC corp specifically to avoid people protecting their interests in that way (war, hired mercs, etc.) Do you think something could or should be done about this, or do you feel a 15 minute aggression timer is adequate? I don't believe that the only time you're 100% safe is when you're docked. I do think that avoiding negative consequences via game mechanics is silly though and would like to see a discussion where we could perhaps theorycraft some other possible solutions via the CSM. I think the aggression timer itself is an imperfect solution to the problem, but we need to determine whether the playerbase as a whole really finds it to be a problem rather than assuming that it is one simply because it effects us personally. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:34:00 - [73] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 18:35:11 Originally by: m3rr What is your viewpoint on titans? Now that alliances have 10 or more, they are quickly becoming a problem simply because they kill small gang pvp and they make large scale pvp mindless. Personally I think that they should be a mobile station with no doomsday while being a versatile fleet ship with lots of gang links. I know a lot of different people have different viewpoints, so if you could share yours it would be great. I'm not the biggest fan of titans as anything other than logistics ships personally. I believe they were poorly conceived and executed, no offense to the devs, but I am armed purely with hindsight and results. That being said, in order to remain competitive, I will deploy and use them in as large a quantity as I can to win until they are fixed. I was personally really intrigued when the original notion of a Titan as a logistical and strategic, non-offensive platform was originally floated. This was in their development stages iirc. Pending details it's a change I think could be of great benefit. Anyone thinking that it should be considered fun for a person to sit in one, giant, slow moving ship, push a single button and hang out while hundreds of people are blown up in slow motion needs their heads examined in my opinion. The concept of a mobile strategic attack platform though does have a great deal of promise in my opinion.
Jonzales	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I don't believe that the only time you're 100% safe is when you're docked. I do think that avoiding negative consequences via game mechanics is silly though and would like to see a discussion where we could perhaps theorycraft some other possible solutions via the CSM. I think the aggression timer itself is an imperfect solution to the problem, but we need to determine whether the playerbase as a whole really finds it to be a problem rather than assuming that it is one simply because it effects us personally. Thanks. I guess I was asking more along the lines of game mechanics. Is that the intended purpose of NPC corps and aggression timers or would some new system that leaves the "victim" just as much chance to protect their interests as the aggressor has at avoiding potential consequences be more in line with how the game was designed to be played?
D'ceet Shadows of the Dead R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:49:00 - [75] i voted for Darius JOHNSON today.... why? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. THATS why.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:50:00 - [76] Originally by: Jonzales Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I don't believe that the only time you're 100% safe is when you're docked. I do think that avoiding negative consequences via game mechanics is silly though and would like to see a discussion where we could perhaps theorycraft some other possible solutions via the CSM. I think the aggression timer itself is an imperfect solution to the problem, but we need to determine whether the playerbase as a whole really finds it to be a problem rather than assuming that it is one simply because it effects us personally. Thanks. I guess I was asking more along the lines of game mechanics. Is that the intended purpose of NPC corps and aggression timers or would some new system that leaves the "victim" just as much chance to protect their interests as the aggressor has at avoiding potential consequences be more in line with how the game was designed to be played? I didn't develop the mechanic so I can only guess. My personal belief is that the use of NPC corps, to avoid negative consequence whether when posting or fighting, is not intended. The problem becomes when the intention of one mechanic overlaps another, which is what appears to be happening here. I believe that the INTENTION is for every action to have a consequence, so if some dude wants to steal your stuff, if you're prepared you SHOULD have the capability to respond within reason. Within reason doesn't mean magic ability to warp to him or anything like that. If he's in a fast ship and you're in a slow one, then you're out of luck. Find a fast friend.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:51:00 - [77] Please go HERE and fill us in on all those issues.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:55:00 - [78] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Please go HERE and fill us in on all those issues. Translation: Please spend an hour of your time filling out an extremely long report card using arbitrary numbers as a measurement for your pretend support on various issues the maker of the rather long report card finds it necessary to have arbitrary figures for whether or not the "issues" are even really clear. No thanks. I'd rather speak to people with words.
Jonzales	Posted - 2008.05.06 18:56:00 - [79] That's a good answer. Thanks Darius
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:35:00 - [80] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON .. on various issues the maker of the rather long report card finds it necessary to have arbitrary figures for whether or not the "issues" are even really clear. This is a standard way of measuring people against each other on the various issues. Great... another reason for people not to vote for you.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:41:00 - [81] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 06/05/2008 19:41:44 Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON .. on various issues the maker of the rather long report card finds it necessary to have arbitrary figures for whether or not the "issues" are even really clear. This is a standard way of measuring people against each other on the various issues. Great... another reason for people not to vote for you. You should carefully prepare a list for your anti Darius campaign. It should include a very long list of arbitrary issues irrelevant to the topic at hand with made up numbers to measure effectiveness. Just do what you're doing already but put it in one place and add numbers! http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:50:00 - [82] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You should carefully prepare a list for your anti Darius campaign. Actually your doing quite well at it yourself. (Not answering that list is tactically stupid) I was actually interested in seeing what you believed on those issues but it is clear you don't want to be measured against the others. Maybe it will show how you come up short.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:50:00 - [83] Darius that list looks considerably like a checkbox poll. You should be a space-Barack Obama and vote YES! to them all.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:54:00 - [84] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You should carefully prepare a list for your anti Darius campaign. Actually your doing quite well at it yourself. (Not answering that list is tactically stupid) I was actually interested in seeing what you believed on those issues but it is clear you don't want to be measured against the others. Maybe it will show how you come up short. It's a shame I didn't hire you on as a campaign consultant of any kind. I'll have you know I'm a rather svelte 5'6" and your personal attacks on my height will serve only to invigorate the furious anger of the righteous jihad.
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.06 19:58:00 - [85] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ... will serve only to invigorate the furious anger of the righteous jihad. Now THAT will certainly engender love and affection of the voters for your campagn.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 20:07:00 - [86] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ... will serve only to invigorate the furious anger of the righteous jihad. Now THAT will certainly engender love and affection of the voters for your campagn. I doubt a statement so obviously made in jest will have any more of a negative impact then your constant tedious trolling. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 20:52:00 - [87] Originally by: LaVista Vista Really, the concern I have, is that goonswarm candidates are gonna try and spoil CSM, due to the way they usually conduct themself. It might be totally unreasonable. I think GS has more respect for themself than that. But you never know. Its a reasonable concern I guess, but it also misunderstands Goons in eve. Have a stroll across to the SA forums. You might like it, because theres something there for everyone. Theres the 'comedy' subforums FYAD/BYOB/LF/YCS/GBS etc, but theres also little enclaves of deadly serious folk, hobbyists, music nuts, artists, and so on. Hell one of the most popular threads on SA is a flippin christian cartoonist who takes requests for artwork (yeah I know.) That diversity is pretty much the same within Goonfleet. We have some absolute raging *****s. Aint no denying it. We've also got really nice guys in there too. We even have a large number of non goons. Theres no opinions in Goonfleet that everyone holds, and its the strength of the team that Goonfleet simply provides a (reasonably) tolerant space for people to just go ape** in and do as they wish with the knowledge theres 5000 brothers that got their back. Most of goonswarms 'controversial' actions had legitimate internal dissent, and that dissent was both tolerated and encouraged. Finally remember that Darius is a new leader. He's not the same guy as the leader that oversaw the T20 dramas or any of that stuff. Mittens is long gone as GF leader. Not even sure he's still around ( I suppose he is somewhere ) The point I'm making is that whilst some have expressed a desire to damage the gameplay, most of us don't actually agree with that. And I'm fairly certain the leadership doesn't see 'breaking' Eve as a good thing. After all what hurts EVE hurts EVE goons. Darius is a good guy who's got the support and respect of both the Goons in the swarm, and the non goons, as well as our Allies. Don't let the factionalism sway here. There is going to be a majority of people on the council who are NOT goons, and if there was any chance of stupid shenanigans, the democracy of the body would see that it doesn't hold influence. Finally in regards to the "all you goons vote darius" thing. Its just party line voting. Part of any democracy, and nothing particularly interesting. -----------
Cosy Gallente Porandor Imperium Aeternum	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:26:00 - [88] TeddyBr FTW because of ppl like u i vote Darius TeddyBr FTW ppl like u have to be griefed all day long because u are annoying
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.06 22:45:00 - [89] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Allow me to amend that then to "Free within reason". Of course in a controlled environment nothing can ever truly be free. Yea, thats fair.
Talkuth Rel Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.05.06 23:28:00 - [90] Ah, is it time for another round of "Whack-a-Goon" already? So much good material, where to start... Originally by: Darius JOHNSON One item of note... I don't tell people what not to or what not to say or how to play Eve. Goons are permitted to do whatever it is they please at any given time. Yes, of course, your oft-vaunted position that you have no control over the Goons whatsoever, and there is no unifying thought behind the alliance. You are the CEO of the largest alliance in the game, yet you conveniently abdicate all responsibility for those to whom you are in a position of leadership. If this is truly your position, how is anyone to believe that you will approach a position on the CSM with any greater sense of responsibility? Also, you don't speak for the Goons, you don't tell them to do anything and simply let anyone do whatever they want, yet as LaVista has shown, you seem to be perfectly fine with instructing them on how to vote, and you expect them to heed your words. So which is it, do they follow your orders or not? You can't have it both ways. Frankly, I find you to be rather self-contradicting, you present one face to your own alliance, and a completely different one to the rest of the EVE public. Oh, and of course, there's nothing at all incriminating in that thread, nothing except the little title at the top instructing your members to help "RIG THE VOTE"! Yeah, that's real great for building trust, isn't it? I know, you'll just claim it was another "joke." It's funny how many self-damning statements the Goons make that when they are confronted about them, the only defense they can offer is that it was a "joke." Maybe your sense of humor needs a tune-up, because you seem to be the only ones laughing. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I think that if you take a look at our presentation from Fanfest last year, or Bane's Titan manifesto, you'll have an example of what happens when we commit ourselves to accomplishing things. Like I said earlier, though we may be a bit flippant at times I wouldn't mistake that for a lack of concern or desire to do hard work. I'm a pretty hard working dude, who wants to see a better game myself. I wouldn't have paid to go to Iceland for a videogame conference I didn't care about. I don't think I'd question that the Goons can accomplish things when motivated, or that you're hard-working. What I question is what goals both you personally and you as an alliance truly work for, what ideas motivate the Goons to action, and whether they're best for the game. Whether or not you can accomlish something is not the issue, whether or not whatever you accomplish will be a good thing is. You claim to care about the game, yet you as Goons continually work for it's destruction through efforts to make other players quit. I think it's safe to say your alliancemate was correct in saying that you play a completely different game from us. You have different goals and objectives, ones which are detrimental to the continuation of EVE. The fact that you can't see how contrary the Goon view is to the good of the game screams loudly about why you and yours should not be handed this type of power. Why should anyone believe that you won't use a position on the CSM to push your agenda, to try to make changes for the benefit of the Goons' goals? I'll leave the voters with that to chew on for now, but I'm sure I'll be back for more.
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:08:00 - [91] Originally by: Cosy TeddyBr FTW because of ppl like u i vote Darius TeddyBr FTW ppl like u have to be griefed all day long because u are annoying Your sig made me think there was flies on my screen. Seriously though, I don't know where all this anti-GOON hate comes from. Mostly people with no sense of humor I think. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation
Cadde Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy	Posted - 2008.05.07 00:22:00 - [92] Darius, i like your style. Makes a believer out of me so to speak, you if any CSM candidate would get things across to the CCP employees in my opinion! But, i still haven't decided where to put my VOTES. Or if i should vote at all so far. I do have some QUESTIONS. I do not demand answers to all questions but if you wish to answer them, please do so with as few words as possible so theres no chance of reading between the lines. If there are any questions that are unclear/blurry or otherwise hard to answer, feel free to answer with a question. Also, please feel free to RE WRITE the question or add a question you feel is needed to clear things up. CLIENT AND SERVER PERFORMANCE Do you believe in fixing bugs/broken mechanics before adding more content/mechanics to EvE? What is your opinion on the client performance, would you consider increasing FPS rates as worthy of mention to the Devs? What is your stance on Client->Server->Client lag, should CCP add more backbone or should they clean their code and database... Any combination of these or other means of performance increase? Do you think client side de-sync errors are an important topic? (For instance, ships that are 20+ KM's off in the server to client perspective) What would you suggest as a solution to the previous mentioned de-sync error? What would you rather have: * More entities in space, more effects, swarms of different things in combat and thus LOTS of things to target, dynamic warfare, strategic targets. * Less entities in space, less effects, big "one does many things" ships that has to be taken down as a whole, warfare that depends on few resources, big targets that determine victory or defeat based on their survival. Considering performance issues related to the previous question, would you reconsider your stance if performance either WASN'T an issue or WAS an issue and would any of the following options be a viable solution/acceptable "fix": * Restrict the max number of players able to exist in the same grid/solar system. * Decrease combat visibility range based on number of entities shown and restrict combat active space to visibility. * Group entities into a "single entity" shown as a group icon to the client as long as they aren't directly relevant to the clients current situation. (Reduce server/client talk) If CCP where to come up with a solution to increase the current limits (number of players active on the same SOL server etc etc) to many times what we can have now, would you be prepared to pay more for EvE and do you think more than 70% of EvE's current playerbase would agree? "ENJOYABLE" GAMEPLAY AND PROTECTIVE MECHANICS Which option suits you the most: * Every man for himself, make your own security. * Every man for himself but with some protection against "outlaws". (Like it is now in a way) * Protection against all harm until both agree to combat. (Impossible to harm those who don't want to combat) What is GRIEF PLAY in your opinion, where do you draw the line? IF you where a pirate, would you honor an agreement? (I.E, pay X amount of ISK and i will set you free) IF you declared war on a high sec "Carebear" corp and demanded a ransom to drop the dec, would you honor that agreement? If you answered yes to the above, would you spread the word that "Corp X" is easy to ransom to others? This is all that i can fit for now, i will ask more of these questions IF YOU WANT them. Thanks in advance! --------------- Opinions express are those of my own and does in now way reflect the opinions of whatever corp/alliance i am currently part of.
PartyPopper GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 01:49:00 - [93] Originally by: Talkuth Rel Maybe your sense of humor needs a tune-up, because you seem to be the only ones laughing. i dont think u get goons Originally by: Talkuth Rel You have different goals and objectives, ones which are detrimental to the continuation of EVE. In all seriousness, I'd love to know where you're hearing this.
Mr Rive Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:19:00 - [94] What would you do to improve assault frigs? many people believe that they're slow, and generally useless.... Any ideas?
The Kan Gallente The Circle STYX.	Posted - 2008.05.07 11:41:00 - [95] Well im no alt and i am convinced you are here to screw up the game for all of us. Voting for this guy is killing eve. If you like eve, do NOT vote for goons. they are here not to make game better, they are here to change game mechanics so that they can win ingame wars and kill the game. Of this i am sure of. I know goons since they where born in syndicate. I was in the YW/D2 war in XZH vs goons, i am in the south with BOB fighting goons and they never changed. They use any low scum low life tactic they can and they keep scamming people to support their activities. Voting for a goon representative, is killing EVE. say NO to eve death, say NO to goons.
beh iettmi	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:13:00 - [96] I'm guessing i'm one of the more mature noobs to Eve (and rpg) and my experiance of Darius is limited to this forum. And to a meeting with the swarm at their home system. as a month old char looking for a ship to continue my journey through space after losing my vigil to a neighbouring alliance. Where i was blocked in, cased, harrased, attemped to extort isk from. Before finally having someone pose as an offical offering to help calling me to dock and scramming, again with the extorting isk thing (all about the money!) and finally sent home/clone. It's not unfair to say that in general GF are a bunch of jock wona be jerk offs and that Darius is there leader. Intent on goon domination of eve. Is this the case Darius? (the domination bit) That said every council needs its bad guys. And Darius would look the be competent for the part (not too competent i hope after all the baddies never win) I don't want eve to turn into a wimp fest. Miners and indys are easy targets in high or low sec. And once locked it is impossible to break that lock. Do you think they should be afforded higher scan res. And defencive EW be made more effective. Maybe going as far as to give them ships bounces as i can see how ew improvements could mess with combat. I prefer to be a giver than a taker. But the moaners have a not well made but valid point
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:36:00 - [97] Originally by: Talkuth Rel words Oh hey it's you again. I look forward to another unsatisfying and silly circular argument. Firstly, it is directly apparent you know very little about goons really. You're not to be blamed for that as it is an invite only club for the most part. You mention the "Rig the vote" statement, which I've already explained... twice. The answer doesn't change if you repeat the same question, and the substance doesn't change just because you post on the internet. We have given our people guidance regarding how we feel they should vote. I've asked the majority of goons to vote for bane, not myself as those were the results of our internal primary. If the Eve community wants to access private forums and take jokes such as the use of the word "Rig" out of context then that's their prerogative. I can't tell people how to think. I think most people of sound mind however can see it for what it is as I do not work for CCP, have no access to their people or code and therefore cannot in reality RIG anything. If I could why would I bother posting here? And again back to the old tired argument that goons want to destroy the game. That same tired argument that when called, references clips written by other people that don't even say that. You mention Bane's statement in his thread and he was spot on... I'll find the rather intelligent quote I saw somewhere from a gentleman in Atlas who gets it. I could make the argument that we've actually done more and brought more people to the game than we could have possibly run out of it. If losing territory in a war of wills makes you quit eve... then you quit eve. That's part of the game. To blatantly lie and insinuate that we have the motivation to do harm to the game is patently ridiculous in and of itself. The fact is that we all play the game and we enjoy the game. We've put significant amounts of work into bringing new people to Eve and have been involved in some rather beneficial mainstream press on the game, with more coming every day. This ACTION is directly counter to your rather silly WORDS insinuating that we to do harm to the game. One could argue that as an organization we've done more to bring Eve new subscriptions directly than anyone out there. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 14:47:00 - [98] Re: GOONS WANT TO RUIN THE GAME!!! AAAAA Here's a post I reference earlier I found rather thoughtful from Noobman of Atlas... certainly not a friendly alliance. Originally by: Noobman Ok if it's TL;DR please just skip and don't bother telling me so. (typing with a broken thumb, excuse my mistakes) The internet is serious business. That motto is what Something Awful is known for. That and Swap.avi. Goons are a reflection of that statement. Everything that we find important in EvE they consistantly mock. Their replies on the boards try not to answer in a dignified manner lest they break that golden rule. For whatever reason you "dislike" Goons, let's remember how much SomethingAwful and the Goons we share our space with gave us. When BoB was unbeatable, sported massive T2 lootz and crazy tactics that seemed so perfect and unbeatable, Goons stood up and ***** slapped them hard, much to many of our amusements and crazy comedy moments. Dining in NOL had to be the funniest thread I have ever read. Now it's used as something "against" them when in fact, at least they were there TRYING to do what they said they would do. Once Goons had stood up and proved succesful the "coalition" forces formed and the Great NAP fest began, making for epic moments when MC broke away from BoB and formed Tortuga. Goons were irreverant the whole way, even spawning a nice sing-a-long done to the tune of Transexual, Transylvania: Linkage Goons also made a hilarious presentation at the fan fest of which the memorable moments included a weather forecast done up so nicely, I laughed for days. In case you missed it: Linkage Goons made high sec carebears of which us important CAOD people absolutely detest AFRAID to mine, in so much that now merc corporations are hired to kill them, which is now used against Goons as a testament to how much they suck at the game. Oh, lest we forget more stuff Goons have given us: Many Many articles about the war in media ALL AROUND THE WORLD including the NY times, gamer mags etc... which only leads to more people for us all to share the game with/shoot. The epic ThreadNought (sp?) which was funny because in the end they turned out wrong. Wrong or not, that became something we all talked about, and is used against them to show they just want to "ruin" the game. More goon contributions to a game they want to destroy: Epic music video: Linkage They literally drove thousands into this game we play all to keep the company we rely on to supply us with entertainment solvent and busy making improvements. Without goons, EvE may have became stagnant and a less vibrant world. Of course, it's always easier to hold a organization that alienates those within and without responsible for all the bad things in EvE. They won't stick up for you or themselves, you know why? The internet is serious business. I expect them to mock this post in all honesty. So next time you go thinking about bashing a goon and not being facetious, remember all the good stuff and the bad stuff they put into this game to make it a better, more enjoyable space to play around in. Thank a goon in local for their contributions to our game, and be ghey about it too. They appreciate effiminate behaviour. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:06:00 - [99] Originally by: Cadde Darius, i like your style. Makes a believer out of me so to speak, you if any CSM candidate would get things across to the CCP employees in my opinion! But, i still haven't decided where to put my VOTES. Or if i should vote at all so far. I do have some QUESTIONS. I do not demand answers to all questions but if you wish to answer them, please do so with as few words as possible so theres no chance of reading between the lines. If there are any questions that are unclear/blurry or otherwise hard to answer, feel free to answer with a question. Also, please feel free to RE WRITE the question or add a question you feel is needed to clear things up. I thank you for your kind words and I'll endeavour to respond as best as I can. This will take words and lots of them. It will also require me correctly harnessing the wonderful text editing interface of this forum correctly, but we'll see how it comes out. Q) Do you believe in fixing bugs/broken mechanics before adding more content/mechanics to EvE? A) While I think that fixing bugs and broken mechanics should be a priority I think you'll find that in the business world this is never done. I think at the very least a formal statement on the subject would at least be nice to have. Q)What is your opinion on the client performance, would you consider increasing FPS rates as worthy of mention to the Devs? A) On my machine, which is a moderate liquid cooled Quad Core Pentium Extreme setup with 4GB of RAM and 2 8800 GTX's in SLI, framerates are quite acceptable in the premium client. It is only when there's hundreds of people engaged in combat that it gets sloppy. I think that addressing that client performance should be an extremely high priority given that large fleet battles are a part of the base game. Perhaps that's why they're working on a new networking stack. Q) What is your stance on Client->Server->Client lag, should CCP add more backbone or should they clean their code and database... Any combination of these or other means of performance increase? A) I don't work for CCP. I don't know what the direct cause of the lag is and really anything I say on the subject would be pure speculation. Not being a programmer, before I could even try to think of a solution to the problem I'd have to know what the actual problem is and have some idea of how this particular system works. I haven't had the opportunity to date to work with a supercomputer cluster such as the one Eve runs on. Q) Do you think client side de-sync errors are an important topic? (For instance, ships that are 20+ KM's off in the server to client perspective) A) Yes. I would go so far as to say that any issue which leaves you unable to escape the loss of assets due to a problem in the game itself rather than some other mitigating issue is an important topic. Certainly more important in my opinion than being concerned about the losses of people who were killed by virtue of carelessness. Q) Proposed solution for desynchs... I don't have. As I said, I don't work for CCP. Whether we'd even be given the information required to aid in this problem is debateable. I'm not even convinced CCP knows what causes the desynchs. Q) If CCP where to come up with a solution to increase the current limits (number of players active on the same SOL server etc etc) to many times what we can have now, would you be prepared to pay more for EvE and do you think more than 70% of EvE's current playerbase would agree? A) This is a tricky proposition. I think on one hand I'd say sure! I'd love to play that game and pay money to do so even if it's more than I am right now! On the other, I've read the press which promises epic spacebattles involving thousands of people. I've actually been in those battles. The game did not deliver. That part of me wants eve to deliver on the statements already made as I believe that's what I'm already paying for. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:15:00 - [100] Q)Which option suits you the most: * Every man for himself, make your own security. * Every man for himself but with some protection against "outlaws". (Like it is now in a way) * Protection against all harm until both agree to combat. (Impossible to harm those who don't want to combat) A) The option that suits me personally the most is obviously the first. I've lived my eve career almost entirely in 0.0. I respect the fact that for some in the game however, perhaps a majority, the desire for security is there and I think the current system provides for that WITHIN REASON. I'm directly opposed, as I think it is against the very base nature of Eve, to ANY concept of invincibility anywhere. Q)What is GRIEF PLAY in your opinion, where do you draw the line? A) "Grief play" is an oft abused, overused and rather tired phraseology. It essentially boils down to someone in a game doing something that you don't like when you look at the types of complaints. To use an example of jihadswarm... You're mining in a system you can be attacked in. I attack you. OMG YOU ARE ENGAGING IN GRIEF PLAY!!! No I'm not you twit, I'm playing Eve. I draw the line at cheating and that's about it. Q) IF you where a pirate, would you honor an agreement? (I.E, pay X amount of ISK and i will set you free) A) To be honest that would depend on who the agreement was with and how I was feeling that day. Q) IF you declared war on a high sec "Carebear" corp and demanded a ransom to drop the dec, would you honor that agreement? A) We don't really put much stock in empire wars as we don't live there and never have. It makes shopping moderately annoying sometimes but really for us they're not much more than a nuisance. I can't say I'd be involved in an agreement such as this in the first place, but I also can't say I'd honor it if I was. It would depend on the situation. Certain agreements we'd honor, certain ones we wouldn't. Q) If you answered yes to the above, would you spread the word that "Corp X" is easy to ransom to others? A) No, we are fairly insular. The closest I could see to that happening would be some random goon posting about it, but we wouldn't have done it as an official act of the corp. Thanks for the questions. Hopefully these answers will be of some value to you. Feel free to hit me with more when you have the time. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:17:00 - [101] Originally by: Mr Rive What would you do to improve assault frigs? many people believe that they're slow, and generally useless.... Any ideas? I agree assfrigs are useless. I don't really have an opinion on any individual non-capital class ships as I don't fly them that often however. Enough to be familiar with their usage, but not to recommend solutions. Especially assfrigs. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:19:00 - [102] Originally by: The Kan Well im no alt and i am convinced you are here to screw up the game for all of us. Voting for this guy is killing eve. If you like eve, do NOT vote for goons. they are here not to make game better, they are here to change game mechanics so that they can win ingame wars and kill the game. Of this i am sure of. I know goons since they where born in syndicate. I was in the YW/D2 war in XZH vs goons, i am in the south with BOB fighting goons and they never changed. They use any low scum low life tactic they can and they keep scamming people to support their activities. Voting for a goon representative, is killing EVE. say NO to eve death, say NO to goons. I'll congratulate you on not using an alt to post this. I'd answer your question but you haven't asked one. You seem to be bitter about something. Oh you're an enemy I get it. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 15:24:00 - [103] Originally by: beh iettmi I'm guessing i'm one of the more mature noobs to Eve (and rpg) and my experiance of Darius is limited to this forum. And to a meeting with the swarm at their home system. as a month old char looking for a ship to continue my journey through space after losing my vigil to a neighbouring alliance. Where i was blocked in, cased, harrased, attemped to extort isk from. Before finally having someone pose as an offical offering to help calling me to dock and scramming, again with the extorting isk thing (all about the money!) and finally sent home/clone. It's not unfair to say that in general GF are a bunch of jock wona be jerk offs and that Darius is there leader. Intent on goon domination of eve. Is this the case Darius? (the domination bit) That said every council needs its bad guys. And Darius would look the be competent for the part (not too competent i hope after all the baddies never win) I don't want eve to turn into a wimp fest. Miners and indys are easy targets in high or low sec. And once locked it is impossible to break that lock. Do you think they should be afforded higher scan res. And defencive EW be made more effective. Maybe going as far as to give them ships bounces as i can see how ew improvements could mess with combat. I prefer to be a giver than a taker. But the moaners have a not well made but valid point I'm going to address your questions, though I'm not sure what they have to do with the CSM. Goon Domination of eve is certainly not on our list of action items. It is also a rather haughty goal which I personally believe to be unachievable. Just ask the last guys that tried it. I'm also not necessarily against ANY changes to any particular ships. If it makes it harder to kill miners... who cares? I'm all about balance and if I see an idea which is reasonable, which isn't completely gamebreaking and stupid, then I'll certainly give it the thought and support it warrants. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Hardin Amarr Crimson-Jihad	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:09:00 - [104] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I'm also not necessarily against ANY changes to any particular ships. If it makes it harder to kill miners... who cares? I'm all about balance and if I see an idea which is reasonable, which isn't completely gamebreaking and stupid, then I'll certainly give it the thought and support it warrants. Have you been reading my book? ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services Advert
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.07 16:57:00 - [105] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ...we've actually done more and brought more people to the game than we could have possibly run out of it. In a backhanded way you admit that you have run people out of the game. Your organization has been built on Ganking Miners, SCAMS, and CORP THIEVERY. Your corp has run hundreds (possibly thousands) of people out of the game. You sir might as well be called not only the Pirate King.. but the Corp Theft King, Scammer King and the Eve King of Gankers. And yes all those activities are legal in game and allowed. But that doesn't mean that others in this game like you and your "merry band" of thieves and scammers or want you to have more influence in the affairs of Eve. This is about TRUTH in Advertising: If you want the King of Thieves to be elected then vote for Goonie Gasbag King Darius. Everyone else should find a more appropriate person to vote for.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:18:00 - [106] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 07/05/2008 17:17:56 Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ...we've actually done more and brought more people to the game than we could have possibly run out of it. In a backhanded way you admit that you have run people out of the game. Your organization has been built on Ganking Miners, SCAMS, and CORP THIEVERY. Your corp has run hundreds (possibly thousands) of people out of the game. You sir might as well be called not only the Pirate King.. but the Corp Theft King, Scammer King and the Eve King of Gankers. And yes all those activities are legal in game and allowed. But that doesn't mean that others in this game like you and your "merry band" of thieves and scammers or want you to have more influence in the affairs of Eve. This is about TRUTH in Advertising: If you want the King of Thieves to be elected then vote for Goonie Gasbag King Darius. Everyone else should find a more appropriate person to vote for. One thing I'll note to you Teddy that I was avoiding the need to point out, despite yours and other's rather concerted campaigns to insinuate otherwise you don't see either myself or any other organized Goon resistance to anyone's votes. You don't see 8 threads on the front page of the CSM forum about how "Miners suck" or "Hardin is a goose don't vote for him" or "Jade Constantine more like :Words: Boringtine". The reason for that is because we believe that an intelligent, constructive and mature dialog is the best way to engage in this particular course. You and yours obviously seem to think otherwise and I find it both unfortunate and telling that someone who would go out of his way to smear us and claim the moral "high ground" is in fact partaking in activities far more damaging and heinous than any we are to the process. We just want people to vote. We get it. You have an opinion. You've given it over and over and over again. People see your "point" already. Spamming my thread repeatedly and generating 100 anti-goon posts a minute isn't going to change that. In short: Calm Down. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
TeddyBr FTW Caldari TeddyBr's Revenge	Posted - 2008.05.07 17:45:00 - [107] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Calm Down. Well I am calm and I wasn't going to post again after the above but... why not one more. I'm glad you seem to 'get it'. My posts are not about attacking you personally... but about how your policies and leadership have effected your corporation and then how they effect other people ingame. You do write in a calm collected manner. No doubt you are also in RL calm and reasoned in your approach to the game and in the manner of addressing game mechanics and change. The issue is that I and many others have is that we do not trust you to request changes in game mechanics that will be benificial to all of eve and not have a tilt towards helping either Goons or only just helping large corporations in general. We need representation of all aspects of the Eve Community to include the large power blocks. But there are others in large corps who can fill this need just as well as you. I'll leave it at that... and may the best player win.
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:00:00 - [108] Please for not to be forgetting about me, Darius. :(
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.07 18:18:00 - [109] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Calm Down. Well I am calm and I wasn't going to post again after the above but... why not one more. I'm glad you seem to 'get it'. My posts are not about attacking you personally... but about how your policies and leadership have effected your corporation and then how they effect other people ingame. You do write in a calm collected manner. No doubt you are also in RL calm and reasoned in your approach to the game and in the manner of addressing game mechanics and change. The issue is that I and many others have is that we do not trust you to request changes in game mechanics that will be benificial to all of eve and not have a tilt towards helping either Goons or only just helping large corporations in general. We need representation of all aspects of the Eve Community to include the large power blocks. But there are others in large corps who can fill this need just as well as you. I'll leave it at that... and may the best player win. Calm Down is a catchphrase. It is a perfectly reasonable assumption to make that any candidate will work to exercise their own agenda. It is perfectly reasonable for one to distrust people they don't know or don't understand. That's part of being a human being. I also agree that multiple aspects of the community should be represented and I've said so repeatedly in multiple venues. It's to people to decide who would best serve them in representing those interests. I believe I am able to do so, as are all the other candidates. I personally also feel that my corporation has worked hard to contribute to a prosperous Eve and don't feel the baseless slander some are bandying about to be constructive in the least. I can call people names until I'm blue in the face, I just don't find it helpful to the CSM. http://www.griefgaming.com/images/darius_sig.jpg signature removed (max size 24000 bytes) - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Killer Kelly Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.05.07 19:08:00 - [110] People, we are not electing new developers. It's an ADVISORY board. Just putting that out there. ___________ I Get Money in New Eden Federation
D'Avore Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.05.07 20:11:00 - [111] Darius, any thoughts on the current SOV system? (how) should it be changed?
Cadde Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy	Posted - 2008.05.07 23:41:00 - [112] Thank you Darius, I see even more clearly now WHY people should vote for you! You answer with very clear words. I feel some questions need to be revisited, so i will ask those questions again in a new format. CLIENT AND SERVER PERFORMANCE - Revisited. Original question: ~~Do you believe in fixing bugs/broken mechanics before adding more content/mechanics to EvE?~~ New question: What would you do to encourage CCP to put some more effort into fixing bugs faster? Original question: ~~What is your stance on Client->Server->Client lag .....~~ New question: Based on PURE speculation (A wild guess), would you ask CCP to focus their attention on one or more of the following (purely speculative) solutions to the lag problem? * More servers. * Better performing servers. (Next gen hardware to cope with demands) * Code cleanup(s). (to reduce "some" delays) * "Active" database cleanup. (Less junk in space / less time for wrecks in space etc, more than is done now) * "Passive" database cleanup. (Restrictions where applicable to limit the SQL job size(s), higher restrictions than we have now) * Net code rewrite to minimize traffic size and delays and maximize network multitasking. My comments: Even if you know nothing about the actual cause of the problem, I (and possible others) would be interested in what you FEEL needs more focus from CCPs employees. Furthermore, if ANY of us actually knew the cause and had a solution already then this question wouldn't exist, am i correct? Did you either miss these questions or prefer not to answer them? Originally by: cadde What would you rather have: * More entities in space, more effects, swarms of different things in combat and thus LOTS of things to target, dynamic warfare, strategic targets. * Less entities in space, less effects, big "one does many things" ships that has to be taken down as a whole, warfare that depends on few resources, big targets that determine victory or defeat based on their survival. Considering performance issues related to the previous question, would you reconsider your stance if performance either WASN'T an issue or WAS an issue and would any of the following options be a viable solution/acceptable "fix": * Restrict the max number of players able to exist in the same grid/solar system. * Decrease combat visibility range based on number of entities shown and restrict combat active space to visibility. * Group entities into a "single entity" shown as a group icon to the client as long as they aren't directly relevant to the clients current situation. (Reduce server/client talk) "ENJOYABLE" GAMEPLAY AND PROTECTIVE MECHANICS - Revisited Original question: ~~What is GRIEF PLAY in your opinion, where do you draw the line?~~ New question: Would you consider any of the following to be "grief play". Or in other words, would you consider any of the following to be unnecessary/excessive/immoral? * Killing a player that is an obvious newcomer to EvE, someone who are very likely to know nothing about the actual purpose of EvE. * Destroying random players ships (Regardless of ship type) and then podding them with "Because we can" as the only reason. (No financial/tactical gain) * Going into high sec (including noob systems) and killing everything you can knowing no-one can defend themselves, not only once or twice, but until people start quitting eve because they stand no chance of progressing. * Claiming high sec, allowing no-one to join eve without being podded until they either quit EvE or join your corp. Thanks again! To the haters! Let the "anti goon" CSM Candidates voice that only "the right people" go to Iceland, support them and stop throwing dirt at the other. The only thing you prove is that we shouldn't trust you nor your candidate. Dirt only take you so far... --------------- Opinions express are those of my own and does in now way reflect the opinions of whatever corp/alliance i am currently part of.
Hazrah Ni'Kunrah Amarr Asylum Logistics	Posted - 2008.05.07 23:46:00 - [113] Proud to say I didnt vote for you. Just thought i'd let you know. GL with your campaign.. (couldn't vote for you after the failure cascade meeting lol)
Cadde Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy	Posted - 2008.05.08 00:50:00 - [114] And here i present you with some brand new questions! I ask these to strengthen your support at this point, hopefully the "carebears" will see why their views are damaging to EvE as well! I've made this one into an easy Copy/Paste format for you. ------------------------------------------------- "ENJOYABLE" GAMEPLAY AND PROTECTIVE MECHANICS - Continued Q: If you had full power to change how the player security number works in EvE, what would you change? A: Q: If you had full power to change the way system security work in EvE, what would you change? A: Q: If you had full power to change the way Concord operates in EvE, what would you change? A: PLAYER PROGRESSION Q: Training skills, is it too slow or too quick in your opinion? A: Q: Would you like to see more specialization skills in EvE? Or even more skills in any form? A: Q: Do you believe it is too difficult at this time for small groups of people to conquer their own slice of 0.0 space and could you please explain why it is difficult/easy for them to do this? A: Q: If you had the opportunity to write a message that is show to a brand new player as he logs in the first time, what would be in that message? A: Q: If you had the opportunity to write a message that could be sent to all players in EvE regarding 0.0 space and if/why they should go there, what would be in that message? A: Q: Is highsec crowded? Do we need to create more highsec systems? A: Q: Is lowsec crowded? Do we need to create more lowsec systems? A: Q: Is 0.0 space crowded? Do we need to create more 0.0 systems? A: Q: Do you consider adding hidden solar systems that can only be found by scanning with special tools and that can only be traveled to by jump drives as a good or bad idea? A: THE ROLE OF CSM REPRESENTATIVES Q: If a certain game mechanic or rule where in place that affected your corporation in a bad way but the rest of the player base in a good way, would you try to change that using your position as a CSM representative? A: Q: If you where absolutely certain that another CSM Representative abused/is abusing his position as a CSM to implement a change that was only beneficial to his Corp/Alliance and damaging to your own and others, how would you react and what would be your first action on the matter? A: Q: Do you think that CCP will take this CSM business seriously? Do you believe any changes can be made and do you think those changes would be MAJOR or MINOR changes to the way EvE works today? A: ----------------------------------------- That is all i have the energy to ask for now... do remember, I'm not forcing you to answer these questions! My only goal is to give those that read this thread a deeper insight into what you think is good/bad and how them making YOU a CSM representative would be beneficial to them. Now, i will press that vote button and log in with my 3 alts to repeat. Hopefully my friends agree with your answers as well, as now they are more inclined towards NOT voting at all as they see this CSM business as a major "PHAIL". --------------- Opinions express are those of my own and does in now way reflect the opinions of whatever corp/alliance i am currently part of.
Jane Spondogolo NoobWaffe	Posted - 2008.05.08 09:12:00 - [115] Originally by: TeddyBr FTW Originally by: Darius JOHNSON ...we've actually done more and brought more people to the game than we could have possibly run out of it. In a backhanded way you admit that you have run people out of the game. Your organization has been built on Ganking Miners, SCAMS, and CORP THIEVERY. Your corp has run hundreds (possibly thousands) of people out of the game. You sir might as well be called not only the Pirate King.. but the Corp Theft King, Scammer King and the Eve King of Gankers. And yes all those activities are legal in game and allowed. But that doesn't mean that others in this game like you and your "merry band" of thieves and scammers or want you to have more influence in the affairs of Eve. This is about TRUTH in Advertising: If you want the King of Thieves to be elected then vote for Goonie Gasbag King Darius. Everyone else should find a more appropriate person to vote for. Your kind of a bitter dude. I get it. But remember. Its a game. Don't confuse roleplay smack for a licence to be **. And your sort of a . ______ Unrepentant Southern Federation Cheerleader**.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 14:59:00 - [116] Originally by: D'Avore Darius, any thoughts on the current SOV system? (how) should it be changed? Time for today's post-a-thon. Off the top of my head I can tell you what I think is broken. I believe that jammers and bridges need to be revisited or at least discussed. As it currently stands it is quite possible to make it almost impossible to take down a jammer depending on who's defending. Much of this can be attributed to how bridges function, allowing the defender to bridge in their capfleet even though the jammer is active. I do not believe this was intended as it raises the bar to actually attack a jammed system that is properly defended high to the point of silliness. SOV warfare has never been fun per se, but in this particular instance it seems that in an attempt to make it fun and back away from Capital Ships Online a bit, they've actually compounded the problem.
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:46:00 - [117] Darius following your "honesty is the best policy" remark in the GOONS TRYING TO RIG ELECTION thread I'd like to know just how much we sold 7-k for tia. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 15:52:00 - [118] Originally by: Dramaticus Darius following your "honesty is the best policy" remark in the GOONS TRYING TO RIG ELECTION thread I'd like to know just how much we sold 7-k for tia. Saying "no" is still being honest :eng101:
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 18:52:00 - [119] Originally by: Cadde lots of stuff Q)What would you do to encourage CCP to put some more effort into fixing bugs faster? A) I think communication about the subject is a good start. In some cases this may be a matter of economics and in others just simple business. I think that they shouldn't have a problem explaining their bug fixing methodologies in contrast with continued development or even a ratio of resource allocations. Nobody on the CSM can FORCE them to do anything. Q) Based on PURE speculation (A wild guess), would you ask CCP to focus their attention on one or more of the following (purely speculative) solutions to the lag problem? A) You're asking me to base a technical answer on PURE speculation, meaning that I should provide some technical solution to a problem when I have no way of knowing what the problem actually is. I've heard some speculation that the problem is in the networking end of things and that perhaps their internal to external network infrastructure could use some looking into. Something to do with a possible bottleneck going from the internal fibre backbone to the external internet. v0v I know nothing because I don't work there. Q) Would I prefer smaller dynamic warfare or large strategic targets A) I prefer C. all of the above. I personally enjoy larger targets because I love flying caps. Not everyone does, so the happy medium and what I think they've TRIED to move towards is some combination of the two. I just don't think they've gotten it right yet. Q) Possible lag fixes response A) This is a tough question to answer because no matter what there's not really a good one given your suggestions. Restricting players on grid makes it a footrace and artificially handicaps people. If I'm able to assemble a 30 billion player coalition why should I not be able to use my natural advantage? Visibility range is another artificial handicap and ultimately lends itself as well to manipulation by one side or another. As it stands today in large engagements we have to try to plan our advantages based on when the grid will load first for either side. That shouldn't even be a consideration. Grouping entities into a single GROUP I suppose would depend on your definition of relevant to the situation. Would this then mean that 200km snipers are bombarded with lag but my frigates aren't because they are short range? Really there's not necessarily an ideal answer here in this. I will say that limiting the number of items on grid in some way may help but I'll also point out something else. I can have fleet fights involving massive numbers of sub capital ships and depending on the numbers have relatively little lag. Whenever capitals get involved lag goes through the roof. I suspect there's something going on there which needs to be examined. None of the items listed above would fix that. We all know fighters can be a problem but not the only one. Q) Griefing question A) I think all but the two last items should be possible and I really wouldn't have a problem engaging in those activities myself. Possibly not the new player but then again, I personally pretty much never leave 0.0 and what would the new guy be doing there? Regarding the last two... I think there's some manner of mechanics preventing some of it. Making someone quit the game for no other reason than to do so isn't something I'd personally do. If it's within the mechanics then it's within the mechanics. I'd be very careful about artificial barriers again.
Cadde Gallente Dragonian Freelancers Academy	Posted - 2008.05.08 20:19:00 - [120] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Regarding the last two... I think there's some manner of mechanics preventing some of it. Making someone quit the game for no other reason than to do so isn't something I'd personally do. If it's within the mechanics then it's within the mechanics. I'd be very careful about artificial barriers again. If only the carebears could get this point as well. And personally I draw the line where I gain nothing and ruin the target. Further more, I consider myself a nice guy. So if I'm just after a "fix" then i could very well damage or even destroy a random ship. But i would still be nice enough to tell the target how to prevent it from happening again and actually give him a couple of mil back and all the surviving loot. As i said, i am just after the fun of beating someone, not ruin them completely. Of course, since you live in 0.0 most of your time i can see how you would demolish anything that enter your property. Theres no grief play in that at all, it's what the game is built for! Concerning the Hulk pilots that lost all their ships, they should have learned their lesson and stop complaining. Without the mechanics being what they are, every single person would mine all day long and nothing would be bought on the market. Thus no game left! That is where Goons come in, they make sure that the crybabies doesn't get to destroy the game. --------------- Opinions express are those of my own and does in now way reflect the opinions of whatever corp/alliance i am currently part of.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.08 21:33:00 - [121] Q: If you where absolutely certain that another CSM Representative abused/is abusing his position as a CSM to implement a change that was only beneficial to his Corp/Alliance and damaging to your own and others, how would you react and what would be your first action on the matter? A: It's a council. If something is being worked on by the council then it's being discussed. I would have no problem raising any topic for discussion and don't shy away from difficult or uncomfortable situations. Q: Do you think that CCP will take this CSM business seriously? Do you believe any changes can be made and do you think those changes would be MAJOR or MINOR changes to the way EvE works today? A: I think at least part of CCP WANTS to take it seriously. Whether they do or not will be seen in the execution. I'd say that having the CEO hand pick members is at least a show that the company's engaged from the highest level. In any corporation this would be a sign that they are engaged and the idea has their support. I believe both major and minor changes are possible. It would really depend on the change. To get on a soap box, there's a lot of people asking about pet issues. My role would not be one of addressing individual pet issues and I'd frown on that in the CSM. Discuss thing's from a high level and move on.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.09 15:46:00 - [122] Originally by: KeratinBoy Yo, Darius: If you could make/advocate one change in the game, what would it be and why? Well a lot of people would blow sunshine up your ass with this one and say I WOULD FIX LAG, as if CCP doesn't know they have lag or are purposely coding it into the game. I'm sure they're very well aware of it and are doing as much as they can to mitigate the issue. Though perhaps the CSM could get an accounting of what exactly is being done and how much they're devoting to the issue. Since you're asking me personally I'm going to have to answer selfishly and say I'd revisit capitals and POS warfare. With the advent of the new sovreignty system the number of supercaps in game has simply gone ridiculously through the roof. Where once it was the mark of a true superpower to have a single mothership involved in a battle, now you can run into situations where you're stacked against 12 titans and 20+ motherships, plus a normal capfleet. This is just silly. Compounding the supercap inflation problem is some of the new sov mechanics. Items such as jammers and bridges are hilariously broken. For instance, with a jammer online in a system you can bridge caps in. Is it even necessary for me to say how utterly silly that is? What then is the purpose of the jammer? How is it that something is inhibiting the operation of a cyno field yet by magic ships are able to... cyno in. I would think a bridge used the same technology as a normal jump bridge, but perhaps there's some piece of the science I don't yet comprehend. Regardless the current state of 0.0 warfare involving insane masses of capitals and monster fleets required simply to take down a jammer, even then only possible if it's lightly defended and 8 titans aren't on grid... Broken.
GusHobbleton The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.05.11 05:32:00 - [123] Darius Johnson, why should I vote for you over any other CSM candidate? What makes you better than Jadestar, Bane Glorious, Gouminodongs, Hardin, or any of the other candidates? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.11 05:34:00 - [124] Originally by: GusHobbleton Darius Johnson, why should I vote for you over any other CSM candidate? What makes you better than Jadestar, Bane Glorious, Gouminodongs, Hardin, or any of the other candidates? First off, I work out. I also drive a ferrari and I make like 200k a year. Those guys are all chumps and don't even register in my sphere.
Krystal Foxglove Caldari Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.05.11 23:28:00 - [125] As I'm not one to agree with GoonSwarm/GoonFleet and Something Awful.... I actually respect your posts and decisions and I think you'll do good as a CSM. Good luck and may the tides of votes favor you. Krystal Foxglove, Captian of the Phantom Celeste. (Yes, I know, repost of what I said in an EVEMail. Sue me.)
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 16:20:00 - [126] Originally by: Krystal Foxglove As I'm not one to agree with GoonSwarm/GoonFleet and Something Awful.... I actually respect your posts and decisions and I think you'll do good as a CSM. Good luck and may the tides of votes favor you. Krystal Foxglove, Captian of the Phantom Celeste. (Yes, I know, repost of what I said in an EVEMail. Sue me.) Thank you very much Krystal for your support. If I am successful I will endeavor to live up to your expectations.
Sniggerdly Hater Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.05.12 16:54:00 - [127] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I suspect that you can't prove that they WEREN'T macro miners. The point being that were they paying attention to local and operating in a manner more befitting the security level of the space they were mining in then they wouldn't have been blown up. except if they mine in minmatar space, in which case its ok not to pay attention, yes?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.12 17:58:00 - [128] Originally by: S****dly Hater Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I suspect that you can't prove that they WEREN'T macro miners. The point being that were they paying attention to local and operating in a manner more befitting the security level of the space they were mining in then they wouldn't have been blown up. except if they mine in minmatar space, in which case its ok not to pay attention, yes? If that's what they were told, that's what they were told. Who cares? That doesn't change a single thing about them paying attention or the game mechanics involved.
shik Shakaal	Posted - 2008.05.13 15:24:00 - [129] I've heard a few candidates say they'll change POS warfare but not really specify what they'd like to see changed. Outside of lag (obvious and probably nothing any candidate can affect) what do you see as the major items that could be tuned/modified to make POS fights more tactical and less of a chore?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.13 20:52:00 - [130] Originally by: shik Shakaal I've heard a few candidates say they'll change POS warfare but not really specify what they'd like to see changed. Outside of lag (obvious and probably nothing any candidate can affect) what do you see as the major items that could be tuned/modified to make POS fights more tactical and less of a chore? Firstly, I'd like to point out that I'm not a dev. I'm not a game designer. We're not being paid to be devs or game designers. What we are is a formalized communications channel between the players and CCP that at least provides a guarantee of a response on hot ticket issues. That's really it. We're not even going to obtain a guarantee of action. The only guarantee is a response. Anyone acting like they're going to accomplish any more than that is incorrect. It is possible, but not guaranteed in any way. Personally I think the idea of forcing people to blob in fleet ships to take down a jammer module on a death star POS which could be covered with titans, in order to get a cap fleet in to actually shoot the pos, is a bit misguided. Especially if your intentions are to "reduce blobbing". Some actually call the titan a "blob reduction" weapon. "Blob reduction" is a one button push fleet killer I suppose and in this particular instance the only way to siege a jammed system is to first, blob. Second, pray. While I think it's added a tactical element, another anti-tactical element had already been added which I think has offset the entire equation. While I won't pretend to know all the answers, I will seek to help frame the debate on the subject and try to draw out the key issues and boil the pot of thought so to speak. POS warfare is also highly monopolized by extremely large powerblocs and I'm not a big fan of that either. More on that later.
Decker Kong	Posted - 2008.05.14 17:12:00 - [131] What about assault frigates? How would you boost them?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.16 14:18:00 - [132] Originally by: Decker Kong What about assault frigates? How would you boost them? As I've said repeatedly Decker I don't wish to get into the minutiae of buffing or nerfing individual shiptypes. Neither I nor anyone else who is eligible for the CSM will be a dev. I'd prefer to deal with the higher level issues, but really we're just there to serve as a council of the players, bringing their concerns to CCP and ensuring that adequate response is obtained. I think people's concepts of CSM reps as devs is a bit silly and I'm actually a bit put off seeing quite a few people taking advantage of that, or to play devil's advocate unaware of the job they're applying for. Hopefully the first council can lay the groundwork adequately so this is not as much of an issue the next time around because I find it pretty silly.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.19 01:02:00 - [133] With the results closing in a few hours if they haven't already been closed, I'd just like to take a moment to thank everyone for participating in this process no matter who you voted for. The more people participate and discuss their issues the more relevant this entire process will be.
Zeoliter Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 15:56:00 - [134] Congrats on the post Darius. Shame you have to answer to Jade. Muhahahahaha.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:01:00 - [135] Originally by: Zeoliter Congrats on the post Darius. Shame you have to answer to Jade. Muhahahahaha. Oh zeoliter you wound me. :(
Zeoliter Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:04:00 - [136] You're going to need ice on that foot, mate if you continue to stomp it like that.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 16:11:00 - [137] Originally by: Zeoliter You're going to need ice on that foot, mate if you continue to stomp it like that. That's what ice is for!
Tree Fiddy Heretic Entity	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:39:00 - [138] Edited by: Tree Fiddy on 22/05/2008 18:42:21 Isnt it safe to assume that the only thing you stand for is whatever makes Goonswarm stronger to complete whatever goal they want to succeed in? We have already seen what happens when Goonies dont get their way. Childish whining on out of game sites that result in CCP having to threaten you with legal action when you besmirched CCP's good name, whiny threadnoughts about nerfing Titans and carrier nerfs etc etc. Considering Goons less than savoury reputation and the general consensus that you are a cancer on this game, surely a vote for you and your fellow candidates would like voting for the fox to look after the hen house? Edit: I know its to late but I just wanted people to see what will happen when they Goons vote for other Goons. I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster.
Tolis Irithel Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:42:00 - [139] "Isnt it safe to assume that the only thing you stand for is whatever makes Goonswarm stronger to complete whatever goal they want to succeed" (I can't for the life of me work out how to use quote, but anyhow...) I think any assumption along these lines would be radically unfair, up to and until this has been demonstrated to be true or false, through actions while on the CSM. Arguably, claiming that this "inevitability" will occur simply makes it more likely to, as any action taken by either representative from GoonSwarm will be percieved in such a light, making it harder for them to legitimately look at issues that may not be "in their interests."
Heartstone Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:53:00 - [140] Originally by: Tree Fiddy Considering Goons less than savoury reputation and the general consensus that you are a cancer on this game, Please find me the public vote where this was agreed on. More sensibly. It is quite clear that I find the general goonswarm group methods distasteful and thier general attitude very disrespectful to others this however does not mean that they do not know the game. This doesn't mean that they have no valid opinions. This certainly doesn't mean they should be silenced as a matter of course. Although maybe forcing them to take a chill pill once in a while might be an idea ;) Your arguement of Bias can be applied equally to everyone on the council for the amount of evidence provided. ---
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:53:00 - [141] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/05/2008 18:53:55 Originally by: Tree Fiddy Edited by: Tree Fiddy on 22/05/2008 18:42:21 Isnt it safe to assume that the only thing you stand for is whatever makes Goonswarm stronger to complete whatever goal they want to succeed in? We have already seen what happens when Goonies dont get their way. Childish whining on out of game sites that result in CCP having to threaten you with legal action when you besmirched CCP's good name, whiny threadnoughts about nerfing Titans and carrier nerfs etc etc. Considering Goons less than savoury reputation and the general consensus that you are a cancer on this game, surely a vote for you and your fellow candidates would like voting for the fox to look after the hen house? Edit: I know its to late but I just wanted people to see what will happen when they Goons vote for other Goons. I'll merely point you to the rest of this very thread which you obviously hadn't bothered to read before toeing the party line of ignorant and unfounded accusations. Every single issue you've just brought up has been addressed and I can assure you, there were two sides to every coin. Far be it from me to suggest however that reading and learning should get in the way of your posting.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 18:57:00 - [142] Darius how do you respond to the allegation that you were elected artificially to meet ccp's quota of minority council members
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:04:00 - [143] Originally by: Tress Macneille Darius how do you respond to the allegation that you were elected artificially to meet ccp's quota of minority council members Look buster brown... I don't even work for CCP and the last time I was in Iceland I didn't notice anything resembling forced equal opportunity anywhere. I'm tired of you constantly trying to drag real life politics into everything and if you try one more time to unionize I'm kicking you out of the corp forever.
Waterfowl Democracy The Ministry of Indigenous Affairs GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:07:00 - [144] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Tress Macneille Darius how do you respond to the allegation that you were elected artificially to meet ccp's quota of minority council members Look buster brown... I don't even work for CCP and the last time I was in Iceland I didn't notice anything resembling forced equal opportunity anywhere. I'm tired of you constantly trying to drag real life politics into everything and if you try one more time to unionize I'm kicking you out of the corp forever. Woah there good buddy. Back up there a little. As I'm sure you are aware Tress Macneille is not IN your corp. You are clearly overstepping your status as CEO of Goonfleet by trying to kick a person who ISN'T even in your corp in the first place. You understanding me big dog?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.22 19:26:00 - [145] Originally by: Waterfowl Democracy Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Tress Macneille Darius how do you respond to the allegation that you were elected artificially to meet ccp's quota of minority council members Look buster brown... I don't even work for CCP and the last time I was in Iceland I didn't notice anything resembling forced equal opportunity anywhere. I'm tired of you constantly trying to drag real life politics into everything and if you try one more time to unionize I'm kicking you out of the corp forever. Woah there good buddy. Back up there a little. As I'm sure you are aware Tress Macneille is not IN your corp. You are clearly overstepping your status as CEO of Goonfleet by trying to kick a person who ISN'T even in your corp in the first place. You understanding me big dog? You're paying triple taxes this month for insubordination. How does that float your boat "big dog"?
Tree Fiddy Heretic Entity	Posted - 2008.05.23 10:20:00 - [146] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/05/2008 18:53:55 Originally by: Tree Fiddy Edited by: Tree Fiddy on 22/05/2008 18:42:21 Isnt it safe to assume that the only thing you stand for is whatever makes Goonswarm stronger to complete whatever goal they want to succeed in? We have already seen what happens when Goonies dont get their way. Childish whining on out of game sites that result in CCP having to threaten you with legal action when you besmirched CCP's good name, whiny threadnoughts about nerfing Titans and carrier nerfs etc etc. Considering Goons less than savoury reputation and the general consensus that you are a cancer on this game, surely a vote for you and your fellow candidates would like voting for the fox to look after the hen house? Edit: I know its to late but I just wanted people to see what will happen when they Goons vote for other Goons. I'll merely point you to the rest of this very thread which you obviously hadn't bothered to read before toeing the party line of ignorant and unfounded accusations. Every single issue you've just brought up has been addressed and I can assure you, there were two sides to every coin. Far be it from me to suggest however that reading and learning should get in the way of your posting. I saw the articles with my own eyes on Digg and Slashdot. I saw the forum posts by Keiron saying that legal action would ensue if the unfounded accusations didnt cease. I have seen the threadnought and CAOD hijacking by your fellow Goons.In short you're a liar and you are only on the council because of your fellow Goons. You're not wanted in this game, the only redeeming feature is the way you prop up your enemies killboards by being so full of fail. You even failed at trying to rig the vote, all that did was inspire others to vote so you didn't get a position of true power i.e. chairman. CCP tolerate you because of the numbers of subscribers you bring to the game but deep down you know they don't want you other than for your cash and that they will pay lip service at best to any changes you try to make. I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 12:37:00 - [147] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 12:37:39 Originally by: Tree Fiddy Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 22/05/2008 18:53:55 Originally by: Tree Fiddy Edited by: Tree Fiddy on 22/05/2008 18:42:21 Isnt it safe to assume that the only thing you stand for is whatever makes Goonswarm stronger to complete whatever goal they want to succeed in? We have already seen what happens when Goonies dont get their way. Childish whining on out of game sites that result in CCP having to threaten you with legal action when you besmirched CCP's good name, whiny threadnoughts about nerfing Titans and carrier nerfs etc etc. Considering Goons less than savoury reputation and the general consensus that you are a cancer on this game, surely a vote for you and your fellow candidates would like voting for the fox to look after the hen house? Edit: I know its to late but I just wanted people to see what will happen when they Goons vote for other Goons. I'll merely point you to the rest of this very thread which you obviously hadn't bothered to read before toeing the party line of ignorant and unfounded accusations. Every single issue you've just brought up has been addressed and I can assure you, there were two sides to every coin. Far be it from me to suggest however that reading and learning should get in the way of your posting. I saw the articles with my own eyes on Digg and Slashdot. I saw the forum posts by Keiron saying that legal action would ensue if the unfounded accusations didnt cease. I have seen the threadnought and CAOD hijacking by your fellow Goons.In short you're a liar and you are only on the council because of your fellow Goons. You're not wanted in this game, the only redeeming feature is the way you prop up your enemies killboards by being so full of fail. You even failed at trying to rig the vote, all that did was inspire others to vote so you didn't get a position of true power i.e. chairman. CCP tolerate you because of the numbers of subscribers you bring to the game but deep down you know they don't want you other than for your cash and that they will pay lip service at best to any changes you try to make. I'll merely point you to the rest of this very thread which you obviously hadn't bothered to read before toeing the party line of ignorant and unfounded accusations. Every single issue you've just brought up has been addressed and I can assure you, there were two sides to every coin. Far be it from me to suggest however that reading and learning should get in the way of your posting. I think you missed that the first time.
Maor Raor	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:33:00 - [148] Darius Congrats on the election. First let me say that I personly feel that Goons diserve to have representation in the CSM as much as any other alliance group. But your Goon tag raises many questions with regard to your motives and credibility. How do you plan to counter the commany held view that your a nothing but one of 2 GOON controled puppet CSM voted in on the backs of your Alliance numbers alone and not due to any broad appeal to the playerbase. Would you state openly that you would do whats best for the game over and above whats best for Goon leadership? Do you have any intention of trying to mitigate the dammage to your credibility done by your being a member of Goons with regard to general voter perception? Do you worry what non goon members (of the playerbase or the CSM) think about the conduct of Goons in the forum and in game and how that may effect the reception of any ideas you may have or issues you may feel the need to support? Thanks in advance. I find your situation interesting and look forward to your answers.
Drolus	Posted - 2008.05.23 13:39:00 - [149] Originally by: Tree Fiddy I saw the articles with my own eyes on Digg and Slashdot. I saw the forum posts by Keiron saying that legal action would ensue if the unfounded accusations didnt cease. I have seen the threadnought and CAOD hijacking by your fellow Goons.In short you're a liar and you are only on the council because of your fellow Goons. You're not wanted in this game, the only redeeming feature is the way you prop up your enemies killboards by being so full of fail. You even failed at trying to rig the vote, all that did was inspire others to vote so you didn't get a position of true power i.e. chairman. CCP tolerate you because of the numbers of subscribers you bring to the game but deep down you know they don't want you other than for your cash and that they will pay lip service at best to any changes you try to make. You seem really bitter, can't we all be friends?
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:16:00 - [150] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 14:16:28 Originally by: Maor Raor Darius Congrats on the election. First let me say that I personly feel that Goons diserve to have representation in the CSM as much as any other alliance group. But your Goon tag raises many questions with regard to your motives and credibility. How do you plan to counter the commany held view that your a nothing but one of 2 GOON controled puppet CSM voted in on the backs of your Alliance numbers alone and not due to any broad appeal to the playerbase. Thank you for the congratulations! Allow me to first address your statement that my Goon tag raises questions regarding motives and credibility, and to respond by saying that I cannot control what people choose to think. I believe that if you look at the actual evidence, actual actions and things accomplished by the goons you'll find a wealth of contributions to Eve as a whole. Evemon, numerous press articles, a gigantic war and thousands of new players... all of these things do NOTHING more than increase Eve's profile and I'd challenge you to find another alliance who has done the same. People may buy in to the forum propaganda of the people who we've beaten or dislike us for other reasons and that's their prerogative, but I believe the facts on the ground show a different story for those objective enough to look. I fear our sole crime is being outspoken and honest about who we are. v0v We're not roleplayers. We don't believe that words really hurt anyone. Regarding the question regarding being elected on the backs of our alliance numbers alone... A number of different alliances voted for us. Even were that not the case the numbers in the voting speak for themselves. If one is to accept the fact that Goons ARE part of the playerbase, as much as they've tried to ignore that since day one, then you have to accept that 5000 people get 5000 people's worth of representation. According to the election results we do have broad appeal from a selection of the playerbase. We can't fake that. I'm not the one making up arbitrary statistics like "75% of goons nail puppies" or "More than 50% of the playerbase hates goons". I prefer to deal in facts and the results of the election are right there, reported by CCP for all to see. If a faction of the playerbase wants to ignore that simple fact or take umbrage with it that's their choice. I'm certainly not going to lose any sleep over it. Originally by: Maor Raor Would you state openly that you would do whats best for the game over and above whats best for Goon leadership? This is somewhat of a difficult question in that I don't believe there's any difference between what's best for the game and what's best for Goon leadership. We want a good, fun game that's playable and functional and works. We don't want special favors. We just want to play Eve and we do it every day. If people want to put some tinfoil hats on and believe otherwise that's their option. Originally by: Maor Raor Do you have any intention of trying to mitigate the dammage to your credibility done by your being a member of Goons with regard to general voter perception? This assumes I believe there's any damage done to my credibility. Goons play Eve a lot. Goons love doing so or they wouldn't do it. Goons have been fairly successful at playing Eve. Goons play Eve at every level in every way. Some people choose to ignore facts and let the ghost stories their friends we've killed tell them influence their sensibilities. I can't force people to accept my word, except to point out that if nothing else I've never been anything but honest, while the same can't be said for others. We stick up for our friends and honor our relationships, the same can't be said for others. General voter perception is going to be what it is regardless. All I can do is ask that you pay attention and judge me by my deeds, and caution you against giving too much credence to those blowing sunshine up your ass. It seems some enjoy being lied to.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 14:24:00 - [151] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 14:25:31 Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 14:25:07 Originally by: Maor Raor Do you worry what non goon members (of the playerbase or the CSM) think about the conduct of Goons in the forum and in game and how that may effect the reception of any ideas you may have or issues you may feel the need to support? No. I think I can be fairly reasonable as a person and can make my own arguments. People can only embarass themselves by picking and choosing what portions of the dialog they respond to. There are assumptions made by a base, elitist few is that they can pander to that, respond only to what's easy and pull the wool over people's eyes, but I think people are smarter than that. At the end of the day I have faith that Eve players on the whole are rather intelligent and can see past a corp tag when it comes to something like this. If they can't, well that's a shame but it really won't change much. You can't win an argument or debate by responding with a corp tag. You need to have some substance. There's a reason the council is made up of 9 people and the officer seats are purely administrative roles. As long as there's 5 or more people who are willing to be objective and open minded there's nothing anyone can do to minimize anyone else's opinions.
Tree Fiddy Heretic Entity	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:34:00 - [152] Fingers crossed you can be more succesful as a CSM rep than as leader of Goonswarm versus BoB. Personally I think you are the lowest of the low and you need to be watched carefully. You can be sure CCP wont stand for anymore crap from you guys which is why you wont ever be chairman even with you poor attempts a rigging votes. The way you dismissed my points on Goonswarm by saying they had been answered when clearly they had not shows how full of spin and snake like squirming you are. I say I ain't giving you no tree fiddy you goddamned Loch Ness monster.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Tree Fiddy Fingers crossed you can be more succesful as a CSM rep than as leader of Goonswarm versus BoB. Personally I think you are the lowest of the low and you need to be watched carefully. You can be sure CCP wont stand for anymore crap from you guys which is why you wont ever be chairman even with you poor attempts a rigging votes. The way you dismissed my points on Goonswarm by saying they had been answered when clearly they had not shows how full of spin and snake like squirming you are. I'll merely point you to the rest of this very thread which you obviously hadn't bothered to read before toeing the party line of ignorant and unfounded accusations. Every single issue you've just brought up has been addressed and I can assure you, there were two sides to every coin. Far be it from me to suggest however that reading and learning should get in the way of your posting. Every allegation is responded to in this thread. Saying it's not doesn't mean it's not and anyone who looks will know this. You have fart breath, so there.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 18:43:00 - [154] Originally by: Tree Fiddy Fingers crossed you can be more succesful as a CSM rep than as leader of Goonswarm versus BoB. Personally I think you are the lowest of the low and you need to be watched carefully. You can be sure CCP wont stand for anymore crap from you guys which is why you wont ever be chairman even with you poor attempts a rigging votes. The way you dismissed my points on Goonswarm by saying they had been answered when clearly they had not shows how full of spin and snake like squirming you are. ^^ this ^^
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.23 19:05:00 - [155] Originally by: Tress Macneille Originally by: Tree Fiddy Fingers crossed you can be more succesful as a CSM rep than as leader of Goonswarm versus BoB. Personally I think you are the lowest of the low and you need to be watched carefully. You can be sure CCP wont stand for anymore crap from you guys which is why you wont ever be chairman even with you poor attempts a rigging votes. The way you dismissed my points on Goonswarm by saying they had been answered when clearly they had not shows how full of spin and snake like squirming you are. ^^ this ^^ 2 demerits
arghy steelwill GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.24 05:22:00 - [156] Originally by: Tree Fiddy Fingers crossed you can be more succesful as a CSM rep than as leader of Goonswarm versus BoB. Personally I think you are the lowest of the low and you need to be watched carefully. You can be sure CCP wont stand for anymore crap from you guys which is why you wont ever be chairman even with you poor attempts a rigging votes. The way you dismissed my points on Goonswarm by saying they had been answered when clearly they had not shows how full of spin and snake like squirming you are. You do know his full name is Darius 'the usurper' johnson right? There was once a great man, a single digit wonderful man- his name was Sessyfan and darius killed him and his only son to attain power. When the CSM was announced Sessyfans surviveing daughter Bane 'double Ds' Glorius was quickly rushed from her safe house to sign up so we could end the evil reign of Darius 'the usurper' Johnson. You know nothing of the suffering Bane 'double Ds' Glorius has been through since the usurper murdered her brother and father, she must now avoid the multiple advances from suitors in the mryiad of Goonwswarm alliance who are trying to secure their ticket into Gonnfleets noble blood. I beg you and everyone else to listen to the soft sweet innocent voice of Bane 'double Ds' Glorius instead of this murdering snake Darius 'the usurper' Johnson in the name of noble Sessyfan the first. This message is dedicated to the memory of Sessyfan and his murdered son The Mittani, may their bodys be released from the basement of Darius's apartment when he his brought to justice. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
hammyhamm GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.24 05:44:00 - [157] HAPPY BIRTHDAY DARIUS (I didnt vote for you)
Killer Kelly Allied Tactical Unit Scalar Federation	Posted - 2008.05.24 15:16:00 - [158] Congratulations darius. Sad to see guom didn't make it. ___________ I Get Money in the Scalar Federation
Maor Raor	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:14:00 - [159] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 14:16:28 Originally by: Maor Raor Would you state openly that you would do whats best for the game over and above whats best for Goon leadership? This is somewhat of a difficult question in that I don't believe there's any difference between what's best for the game and what's best for Goon leadership. We want a good, fun game that's playable and functional and works. We don't want special favors. We just want to play Eve and we do it every day. If people want to put some tinfoil hats on and believe otherwise that's their option. Why you trixxie little hobbitsie. Thats neither an yes nor a no. It seams you were born for politicing... good show But i have been asked to nail you down on this point.. for the reccord as it were. Wether you believe that whats good for the game is different from whats good for goons leadership isnt realy the question. Alow me to try a more direct question to see if i can get a more direct answer. For instance An idea is put forward to make a comman goon pass time less rewarding or counter productive while enriching the play of new players and mom and pop corps. Goon leadership and members direct you to vote no. Your Forum lurking and ingame chats with your (non goon) voters shows large support for the idea. How do you vote? one last question Whats your feelings about Carebear representation on the CSM and do you think that you can work constructivly with the likes of Ankhesentapemkah. Thank you in advance and sorry about the spelling
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.27 15:34:00 - [160] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 27/05/2008 15:34:18 Originally by: Maor Raor Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 23/05/2008 14:16:28 Originally by: Maor Raor Would you state openly that you would do whats best for the game over and above whats best for Goon leadership? This is somewhat of a difficult question in that I don't believe there's any difference between what's best for the game and what's best for Goon leadership. We want a good, fun game that's playable and functional and works. We don't want special favors. We just want to play Eve and we do it every day. If people want to put some tinfoil hats on and believe otherwise that's their option. Why you trixxie little hobbitsie. Thats neither an yes nor a no. It seams you were born for politicing... good show But i have been asked to nail you down on this point.. for the reccord as it were. Wether you believe that whats good for the game is different from whats good for goons leadership isnt realy the question. Alow me to try a more direct question to see if i can get a more direct answer. For instance An idea is put forward to make a comman goon pass time less rewarding or counter productive while enriching the play of new players and mom and pop corps. Goon leadership and members direct you to vote no. Your Forum lurking and ingame chats with your (non goon) voters shows large support for the idea. How do you vote? one last question Whats your feelings about Carebear representation on the CSM and do you think that you can work constructivly with the likes of Ankhesentapemkah. Thank you in advance and sorry about the spelling You've gotten as direct an answer as is possible given the hypothetical nature of your question. I mean I can't answer honestly a question regarding hypothetical fairy tale situations. I clarified my understand of what was asked and told you that I don't see a scenario happening where what is good for Goons is bad for the game. Trying to nail me down on a yes or no answer to a question that is completely hypothetical and simply doesn't exist at the moment isn't an exercise I find valid. There's no good answer as the question has not come to pass. I don't think it will. To date neither goons or any directors have asked for anything to be voted on in a particular way and I don't anticipate that happening in a way that would be counterintuitive. I said repeatedly during the voting process that people from all walks should be represented. I think I can work with anyone. We may disagree at times, but that's the nature of being different people. Having disagreements is part of the process.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.27 19:02:00 - [161] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You've gotten as direct an answer as is possible given the hypothetical nature of your question. I mean I can't answer honestly a question regarding hypothetical fairy tale situations. I clarified my understand of what was asked and told you that I don't see a scenario happening where what is good for Goons is bad for the game. Trying to nail me down on a yes or no answer to a question that is completely hypothetical and simply doesn't exist at the moment isn't an exercise I find valid. There's no good answer as the question has not come to pass. I don't think it will. To date neither goons or any directors have asked for anything to be voted on in a particular way and I don't anticipate that happening in a way that would be counterintuitive. I said repeatedly during the voting process that people from all walks should be represented. I think I can work with anyone. We may disagree at times, but that's the nature of being different people. Having disagreements is part of the process. I believe Darius, in as much as is possible for him, is being honest in his response. His position is whatever is good for goonswarm is good for EVE and whatever is bad for goonswarm is bad for EVE. Almost every other goonswarmer I've encountered shares this view. I think it may be part of their indoctrination. Certainly they've been exposed to the philosophy to the point of parroting it without thought. Darius truly will not need direction from goonswarm in voting on CSM issues. Nor will he need direction in which issues to advocate or oppose. He will not need direction because he is already thoroughly trained in the ways of goonswarm. One does not need further instruction when one already has that instruction built in. The one point Darius may not be honest on is one that he may not really see. When he says he feels he "can work with anyone", I suspect he means he can try to work around anyone in the sense of getting around them and their views to achieve goonswarms goals. I doubt he realizes this in himself. Regards, Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.28 19:50:00 - [162] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 28/05/2008 19:50:45 While I appreciate your attempt to phrase what I've actually said pretty clearly with your own take, really what I say is what I mean. Good for Eve and What Goonfleet Wants to date haven't been mutually exclusive as regards serious issues presented that I'm aware of. We can run around all day playing he said/she said, but really all I can do is point to what I said and welcome you to not attempt to rephrase it. I say what I mean and I mean what I say.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:23:00 - [163] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 28/05/2008 19:50:45 While I appreciate your attempt to phrase what I've actually said pretty clearly with your own take, really what I say is what I mean. Good for Eve and What Goonfleet Wants to date haven't been mutually exclusive as regards serious issues presented that I'm aware of. We can run around all day playing he said/she said, but really all I can do is point to what I said and welcome you to not attempt to rephrase it. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. My "attempt", as you put it, to rephrase your words was not done for your benefit, Darius. Further, you seem to have missed my point. Whether this was intentional or not remains a question. One I do not propose to investigate. My point is: Goonswarm seems to truly believe that what is good for goonswarm is good for EVE. That what goonswarm wants is good for EVE.....whatever goonswarm wants. Goonswarm apparently teaches all their members to believe that. The majority of EVE believes otherwise. Goonswarm has spent far to much time proving their interests and ideas of fun do not coincide with the interests and ideas of others. Or in your words, what is good for EVE and what goonswarm wants are more often than not mutually exclusive. While I appreciate your formality in welcoming me to "not attempt to rephrase" what you say, I must point out that I am hardly likely to accept instruction from goonswarm much less censorship. I believe I will take my own counsel as being greatly preferable. You have a good day now, hear? Windjammer
Teclis van'Dreike GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:45:00 - [164] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 28/05/2008 19:50:45 While I appreciate your attempt to phrase what I've actually said pretty clearly with your own take, really what I say is what I mean. Good for Eve and What Goonfleet Wants to date haven't been mutually exclusive as regards serious issues presented that I'm aware of. We can run around all day playing he said/she said, but really all I can do is point to what I said and welcome you to not attempt to rephrase it. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. My "attempt", as you put it, to rephrase your words was not done for your benefit, Darius. Further, you seem to have missed my point. Whether this was intentional or not remains a question. One I do not propose to investigate. My point is: Goonswarm seems to truly believe that what is good for goonswarm is good for EVE. That what goonswarm wants is good for EVE.....whatever goonswarm wants. Goonswarm apparently teaches all their members to believe that. The majority of EVE believes otherwise. Goonswarm has spent far to much time proving their interests and ideas of fun do not coincide with the interests and ideas of others. Or in your words, what is good for EVE and what goonswarm wants are more often than not mutually exclusive. While I appreciate your formality in welcoming me to "not attempt to rephrase" what you say, I must point out that I am hardly likely to accept instruction from goonswarm much less censorship. I believe I will take my own counsel as being greatly preferable. You have a good day now, hear? Windjammer Post needs more smilies.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.28 22:51:00 - [165] Nawwwwwwww.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.29 04:24:00 - [166] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 28/05/2008 19:50:45 While I appreciate your attempt to phrase what I've actually said pretty clearly with your own take, really what I say is what I mean. Good for Eve and What Goonfleet Wants to date haven't been mutually exclusive as regards serious issues presented that I'm aware of. We can run around all day playing he said/she said, but really all I can do is point to what I said and welcome you to not attempt to rephrase it. I say what I mean and I mean what I say. My "attempt", as you put it, to rephrase your words was not done for your benefit, Darius. Further, you seem to have missed my point. Whether this was intentional or not remains a question. One I do not propose to investigate. My point is: Goonswarm seems to truly believe that what is good for goonswarm is good for EVE. That what goonswarm wants is good for EVE.....whatever goonswarm wants. Goonswarm apparently teaches all their members to believe that. The majority of EVE believes otherwise. Goonswarm has spent far to much time proving their interests and ideas of fun do not coincide with the interests and ideas of others. Or in your words, what is good for EVE and what goonswarm wants are more often than not mutually exclusive. While I appreciate your formality in welcoming me to "not attempt to rephrase" what you say, I must point out that I am hardly likely to accept instruction from goonswarm much less censorship. I believe I will take my own counsel as being greatly preferable. You have a good day now, hear? Windjammer So go right ahead and attempt to rephrase what I said. v0v Know though that I've been clear about my intentions and your theories regarding 5000 people's motivations and laughable insinuation that we somehow brainwash people is pretty obviously far out there.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.29 07:25:00 - [167] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON So go right ahead and attempt to rephrase what I said. v0v Know though that I've been clear about my intentions and your theories regarding 5000 people's motivations and laughable insinuation that we somehow brainwash people is pretty obviously far out there.[/quote I've just read the chat logs from the first CSM meeting. I believe anyone reading your performance, especially during the latter part of the meeting, can see for themselves what your intentions are and reach their own conclusions regarding you and the organization you represent. Really, you're to be commended.....or pitied for showing your face on the forums after that. Most people would be too embarrassed. As far as brainwashing is concerned? You're right. That is pretty far out there. However, brainwashing is your term, not mine. As such, it's not surprising that you've chosen it. I mean considering the source is the same one that had a tantrum at the first CSM meeting in front of the entirety of EVE over a simple clerical procedure because he suddenly felt it was an assumption of authority. Windjammer
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.29 17:42:00 - [168] For those of you who'd like to see the chat log of the first CSM meeting, referenced above, go to http://www.eve-csm.com/#csmmeetings and click on the link under CSM Meetings titled Chatlog. The latter part of the meeting is amazing. Regards, Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.29 18:53:00 - [169] Originally by: Windjammer Edited by: Windjammer on 29/05/2008 07:39:23 Originally by: Darius JOHNSON So go right ahead and attempt to rephrase what I said. v0v Know though that I've been clear about my intentions and your theories regarding 5000 people's motivations and laughable insinuation that we somehow brainwash people is pretty obviously far out there. I've just read the chat logs from the first CSM meeting. I believe anyone reading your performance, especially during the latter part of the meeting, can see for themselves what your intentions are and reach their own conclusions regarding you and the organization you represent. Really, you're to be commended.....or pitied for showing your face on the forums after that. Most people would be too embarrassed. As far as brainwashing is concerned? You're right. That is pretty far out there. However, brainwashing is your term, not mine. As such, it's not surprising that you've chosen it. I mean considering the source is the same one that had a tantrum at the first CSM meeting in front of the entirety of EVE over a simple clerical procedure because he suddenly felt it was an assumption of authority. Windjammer Clerical procedure? My take? What was discussed at the CSM meeting? Nothing of substance. We elected other chairs and then rushed through a vote on a previously undefined topic to grant some form of undefined pretend authority to the chair that was never granted? It hasn't ever been stated that the CSM can change the CSM in any way. I appreciated the thought behind it but don't feel that Jade's signature on something is relevant by itself. Nothing has ever been stated to insinuate otherwise. It was an assumption of authority, which to date still doesn't exist. I'm sorry if I wasn't serious enough for you. Next time around don't vote for me. (hint: you didn't) Part of the entire idea of the council is that we're going to disagree. Guess what the other part is? People get to voice their opinions and disagree without being told to shut up and railroaded into votes. Sorry if you have a problem. When it works in my favor you can come to this thread railroading me for the opposite. In the meantime you can go ahead and descend to petty name calling. It showcases your intentions in a far more reasonable light than your farcical pretend psychic lamentations regarding subjects beyond your knowledge.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.30 00:44:00 - [170] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Clerical procedure? My take? What was discussed at the CSM meeting? Nothing of substance. We elected other chairs and then rushed through a vote on a previously undefined topic to grant some form of undefined pretend authority to the chair that was never granted? It hasn't ever been stated that the CSM can change the CSM in any way. I appreciated the thought behind it but don't feel that Jade's signature on something is relevant by itself. Nothing has ever been stated to insinuate otherwise. It was an assumption of authority, which to date still doesn't exist. I'm sorry if I wasn't serious enough for you. Next time around don't vote for me. (hint: you didn't) Part of the entire idea of the council is that we're going to disagree. Guess what the other part is? People get to voice their opinions and disagree without being told to shut up and railroaded into votes. Sorry if you have a problem. When it works in my favor you can come to this thread railroading me for the opposite. In the meantime you can go ahead and descend to petty name calling. It showcases your intentions in a far more reasonable light than your farcical pretend psychic lamentations regarding subjects beyond your knowledge. Gosh. I must have missed something. Or possibly, just a thought here, you did. [ 2008.05.24 18:58:22 ] Ankhesentapemkah > The issue is approved with 6 in favor, 1 oppose, 1 abstain, and 1 unknown. Looks to me like it passed. What's it look like to you? In that vote you were the "no", Bane was the "abstain" (couldn't even get your own corp mate to support you on that one) and I think Hardin was the unknown due to having to leave earlier. This vote established a clerical procedure in the CSM which is standard protocol in businesses and organizations throughout the world. It has nothing do do with authority of any kind. It's a simple proof reading so that everyone can be assured the notes are accurate. The note taker, Ank, herself wanted this. Several times before the vote you expressed your objections and failed to gain support for your view. Others offered their views. When no new views were offered a vote was called for. Hardly a railroaded vote despite your desire to characterize it as such to the EVE community. It is appropriate that you be allowed to express your views in the CSM meetings. Regardless of how silly they are. It is not appropriate for you to continue to repeat them again and again in an attempt to block a vote on an issue you know you're going to lose. Jade excercised a lot of restraint with you and I hope he doesn't make a habit of it. You were allowed too much latitude in disrupting the meeting. Should your attempts to disrupt meetings continue, I will be sorely disappointed if you are not removed and replaced in the CSM. I beleive a mechanism capable of doing just that is being formulated. Personally, I'm surprised goonswarm couldn't find better representation. Windjammer P.S. The chat log of CSM meeting number 1 on 2008.05.24 can be found at http://www.eve-csm.com/#csmmeetings The latter part of the log is the part pertinent to this post.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.30 01:06:00 - [171] Originally by: Windjammer Gosh. I must have missed something. Or possibly, just a thought here, you did. [ 2008.05.24 18:58:22 ] Ankhesentapemkah > The issue is approved with 6 in favor, 1 oppose, 1 abstain, and 1 unknown. Looks to me like it passed. What's it look like to you? In that vote you were the "no", Bane was the "abstain" (couldn't even get your own corp mate to support you on that one) and I think Hardin was the unknown due to having to leave earlier. This vote established a clerical procedure in the CSM which is standard protocol in businesses and organizations throughout the world. It has nothing do do with authority of any kind. It's a simple proof reading so that everyone can be assured the notes are accurate. The note taker, Ank, herself wanted this. Several times before the vote you expressed your objections and failed to gain support for your view. Others offered their views. When no new views were offered a vote was called for. Hardly a railroaded vote despite your desire to characterize it as such to the EVE community. It is appropriate that you be allowed to express your views in the CSM meetings. Regardless of how silly they are. It is not appropriate for you to continue to repeat them again and again in an attempt to block a vote on an issue you know you're going to lose. Jade excercised a lot of restraint with you and I hope he doesn't make a habit of it. You were allowed too much latitude in disrupting the meeting. Should your attempts to disrupt meetings continue, I will be sorely disappointed if you are not removed and replaced in the CSM. I beleive a mechanism capable of doing just that is being formulated. Personally, I'm surprised goonswarm couldn't find better representation. Windjammer P.S. The chat log of CSM meeting number 1 on 2008.05.24 can be found at http://www.eve-csm.com/#csmmeetings The latter part of the log is the part pertinent to this post. It looks to me like confusion, not an "attempt to disrupt". It happens to everybody, especially when things are as confused as they are in the CSM right now - there's no rules of order or procedures worth a damn, there was no agenda for the meeting, and there's no procedure for holding the floor in a text-based meeting. And on top of that, Darius is in a low-level spat with the chair over the chair's powers, which will naturally make him rather suspicious of anything that seems to be extending those powers. His actions weren't unreasonable at all - I've seen worse many times, and occasionally done worse myself. Just because he's a Goon(and the head Goon at that) doesn't mean he's always evil. Just usually. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Farrqua Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.30 02:10:00 - [172] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Clerical procedure? My take? What was discussed at the CSM meeting? Nothing of substance. We elected other chairs and then rushed through a vote on a previously undefined topic to grant some form of undefined pretend authority to the chair that was never granted? It hasn't ever been stated that the CSM can change the CSM in any way. I appreciated the thought behind it but don't feel that Jade's signature on something is relevant by itself. Nothing has ever been stated to insinuate otherwise. It was an assumption of authority, which to date still doesn't exist. I'm sorry if I wasn't serious enough for you. Next time around don't vote for me. (hint: you didn't) Part of the entire idea of the council is that we're going to disagree. Guess what the other part is? People get to voice their opinions and disagree without being told to shut up and railroaded into votes. Sorry if you have a problem. When it works in my favor you can come to this thread railroading me for the opposite. In the meantime you can go ahead and descend to petty name calling. It showcases your intentions in a far more reasonable light than your farcical pretend psychic lamentations regarding subjects beyond your knowledge. Gosh. I must have missed something. Or possibly, just a thought here, you did. [ 2008.05.24 18:58:22 ] Ankhesentapemkah > The issue is approved with 6 in favor, 1 oppose, 1 abstain, and 1 unknown. Looks to me like it passed. What's it look like to you? In that vote you were the "no", Bane was the "abstain" (couldn't even get your own corp mate to support you on that one) and I think Hardin was the unknown due to having to leave earlier. This vote established a clerical procedure in the CSM which is standard protocol in businesses and organizations throughout the world. It has nothing do do with authority of any kind. It's a simple proof reading so that everyone can be assured the notes are accurate. The note taker, Ank, herself wanted this. Several times before the vote you expressed your objections and failed to gain support for your view. Others offered their views. When no new views were offered a vote was called for. Hardly a railroaded vote despite your desire to characterize it as such to the EVE community. It is appropriate that you be allowed to express your views in the CSM meetings. Regardless of how silly they are. It is not appropriate for you to continue to repeat them again and again in an attempt to block a vote on an issue you know you're going to lose. Jade excercised a lot of restraint with you and I hope he doesn't make a habit of it. You were allowed too much latitude in disrupting the meeting. Should your attempts to disrupt meetings continue, I will be sorely disappointed if you are not removed and replaced in the CSM. I beleive a mechanism capable of doing just that is being formulated. Personally, I'm surprised goonswarm couldn't find better representation. Windjammer P.S. The chat log of CSM meeting number 1 on 2008.05.24 can be found at http://www.eve-csm.com/#csmmeetings The latter part of the log is the part pertinent to this post. Sorry man, but I do not see any issues in this at all. When I read the post and your comments I expected the worst. I read it over three times to find what you were trying to refer to. I could not really find anything. I found a lot of confusion, people talking over each other. No one was prepared prior to the meeting. No agenda, nothing. I think you are looking to hard for something that's not there. I am at the point right now that I am not sure publishing the chatp0rn is whats best. Just give the status of certain events. Obviously the CSM is not establishing anything that resembles any sort of true committee. And that is really too bad. There is a lot of deverse and talented people on that board and I think all this tinfoilasshattery will be its down fall.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:09:00 - [173] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto It looks to me like confusion, not an "attempt to disrupt". It happens to everybody, especially when things are as confused as they are in the CSM right now - there's no rules of order or procedures worth a damn, there was no agenda for the meeting, and there's no procedure for holding the floor in a text-based meeting. And on top of that, Darius is in a low-level spat with the chair over the chair's powers, which will naturally make him rather suspicious of anything that seems to be extending those powers. His actions weren't unreasonable at all - I've seen worse many times, and occasionally done worse myself. Just because he's a Goon(and the head Goon at that) doesn't mean he's always evil. Just usually. Yes. It was confusing. However, I was able to discern what the topic up for vote was as well as everyone that was at the meeting........aside from Darius. Darius at one point was even asked what he wasn't clear on in an effort to clarify for him prior to a vote. There was no agenda due to this being the first meeting. Interestingly enough you'll find a thread where a goonswarmer is opposed to an agenda even being set for the next meeting of the CSM. A procedure for holding the floor was stipulated at the begining of the meeting and then admittedly ignored for the most part. I agree this needs to be more rigorously enforced. That having been said, there was ample opportunity, in one case too much opportunity, given for input and contrary to Darius's allegations no attempt to railroad a vote through without input from all members of the committee. I was unaware of Darius's spat with the chair over the chairs powers. While this may make him suspicious, it does not relieve him of the responsibility to think. It was obvious to all that Jade was not trying to assume more authority. It certainly doesn't give Darius the right to try to disrupt the meeting by repeating the same objection over and over in an attempt to block a vote. Once is enough to voice an objection. Unless something new is added to the objection, any further repetitions of the objection is merely obstructive. While I'm sure you've seen worse and I have too, it does not make his behaviour reasonable. I'm not opposed to his behaviour because he's a goonswarmer. You wont' find one word from me against Banes behaviour. I'm opposed to Darius's behaviour on its own merit. I'm hardly alone in this view. You'll find the majority of EVE and the views of the majority of the CSM closely match my own. Just ask them. Finally: He's the head goon.............seriously? I suppose it would explain a lot, but....really? If he's the head goon, why did Bane get more votes? Regards, Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:24:00 - [174] Originally by: Windjammer :words: Thanks for more of the same. We get it. You don't like me. Move on.
Farrqua Turbo Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.30 03:45:00 - [175] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto It looks to me like confusion, not an "attempt to disrupt". It happens to everybody, especially when things are as confused as they are in the CSM right now - there's no rules of order or procedures worth a damn, there was no agenda for the meeting, and there's no procedure for holding the floor in a text-based meeting. And on top of that, Darius is in a low-level spat with the chair over the chair's powers, which will naturally make him rather suspicious of anything that seems to be extending those powers. His actions weren't unreasonable at all - I've seen worse many times, and occasionally done worse myself. Just because he's a Goon(and the head Goon at that) doesn't mean he's always evil. Just usually. Yes. It was confusing. However, I was able to discern what the topic up for vote was as well as everyone that was at the meeting........aside from Darius. Darius at one point was even asked what he wasn't clear on in an effort to clarify for him prior to a vote. There was no agenda due to this being the first meeting. Interestingly enough you'll find a thread where a goonswarmer is opposed to an agenda even being set for the next meeting of the CSM. A procedure for holding the floor was stipulated at the begining of the meeting and then admittedly ignored for the most part. I agree this needs to be more rigorously enforced. That having been said, there was ample opportunity, in one case too much opportunity, given for input and contrary to Darius's allegations no attempt to railroad a vote through without input from all members of the committee. I was unaware of Darius's spat with the chair over the chairs powers. While this may make him suspicious, it does not relieve him of the responsibility to think. It was obvious to all that Jade was not trying to assume more authority. It certainly doesn't give Darius the right to try to disrupt the meeting by repeating the same objection over and over in an attempt to block a vote. Once is enough to voice an objection. Unless something new is added to the objection, any further repetitions of the objection is merely obstructive. While I'm sure you've seen worse and I have too, it does not make his behaviour reasonable. I'm not opposed to his behaviour because he's a goonswarmer. You wont' find one word from me against Banes behaviour. I'm opposed to Darius's behaviour on its own merit. I'm hardly alone in this view. You'll find the majority of EVE and the views of the majority of the CSM closely match my own. Just ask them. Finally: He's the head goon.............seriously? I suppose it would explain a lot, but....really? If he's the head goon, why did Bane get more votes? Regards, Windjammer Windjammer, the more and more I read from your posts the more I am starting to realize that you are a fairly young minded person that really has no goal outside of your own agenda. Whatever that might be. But it is not constructive and it is getting tiresome.
Herschel Yamamoto Bloodmoney Incorporated	Posted - 2008.05.30 04:07:00 - [176] Originally by: Windjammer Yes. It was confusing. However, I was able to discern what the topic up for vote was as well as everyone that was at the meeting........aside from Darius. Darius at one point was even asked what he wasn't clear on in an effort to clarify for him prior to a vote. There was no agenda due to this being the first meeting. Interestingly enough you'll find a thread where a goonswarmer is opposed to an agenda even being set for the next meeting of the CSM. A procedure for holding the floor was stipulated at the begining of the meeting and then admittedly ignored for the most part. I agree this needs to be more rigorously enforced. That having been said, there was ample opportunity, in one case too much opportunity, given for input and contrary to Darius's allegations no attempt to railroad a vote through without input from all members of the committee. I was unaware of Darius's spat with the chair over the chairs powers. While this may make him suspicious, it does not relieve him of the responsibility to think. It was obvious to all that Jade was not trying to assume more authority. It certainly doesn't give Darius the right to try to disrupt the meeting by repeating the same objection over and over in an attempt to block a vote. Once is enough to voice an objection. Unless something new is added to the objection, any further repetitions of the objection is merely obstructive. While I'm sure you've seen worse and I have too, it does not make his behaviour reasonable. I'm not opposed to his behaviour because he's a goonswarmer. You wont' find one word from me against Banes behaviour. I'm opposed to Darius's behaviour on its own merit. I'm hardly alone in this view. You'll find the majority of EVE and the views of the majority of the CSM closely match my own. Just ask them. Finally: He's the head goon.............seriously? I suppose it would explain a lot, but....really? If he's the head goon, why did Bane get more votes? Regards, Windjammer I didn't get that confused either, but I didn't have to read it in real time. I'm not going to fault him for getting a bit run over there. Now, if it happens every meeting, then I'll gladly criticize and mock, but I'll forgive him one or two, just like I will for anybody else. Most of the fault here is that it's a new organization with no real rules, as I've stated before. Darius is the one who got hit hardest by that, but it could happen to anyone. I expect most of the problems to clean up a lot as we get a few more meetings in. As for Darius vs Jade, check out about pages 10-16 of Jade's thread. Basically, Jade went a bit overboard assuming powers to the chair, and Darius went off into "We are equals!" mode. It got ****y, to no useful effect. A forum war, in other words. And yeah, he tried a bit too hard to put on the brakes. I'm not saying Darius followed all the proper procedures - he was the one obstructing the meeting. But it doesn't look to me like it was intentional, it looks like he was just a bit slow at assimilating what was going on. I've seen it happen to smarter people over longer timespans. And yeah, IIRC, he's the head of either GoonFleet or GoonSwarm(not sure which, tbh). He got fewer votes than Bane because they were trying to get both of them on, and didn't much care which order they came in. After all, the Goons aren't going away, so if it turns out they only get one on, they'll just focus fire next time and put him in as Chair. Also, I think Bane won their internal election. I don't know what his personal schedule or campaign strategy look like, but that's the way I'd play it. ------------------ Fix the forums!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.30 18:36:00 - [177] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Windjammer :words: Thanks for more of the same. We get it. You don't like me. Move on. I translate that as, "STFU and go away". Funny.....isn't that what you complain about other people doing to you even when they don't? (sigh) I suppose you're going to accuse me of putting words in your mouth again and/or calling you names. If you're not careful you might hurt my feelings. Once again; I do not accept direction or censorship from you. I'm not one of your little bees. This will never change.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:06:00 - [178] Originally by: Farrqua Windjammer, the more and more I read from your posts the more I am starting to realize that you are a fairly young minded person that really has no goal outside of your own agenda. Whatever that might be. But it is not constructive and it is getting tiresome. I'm sorry you feel that way. I've tried to make my goal and agenda clear and obviously I have failed you in this. I'm also sorry you read that chat log three times. That couldn't have been easy. Personally, I could only take doing it once, rereading sections when I ran into the "wtf is he talking about factor". In the end though, the issue seemed clear to me and to the members inside the CSM meeting. I, of course, disagree with your position on publishing the chat logs. Even Darius agreed to having them published, though I can't imagine why he would want that given the circumstances. I also disagree with you regarding what will become of the CSM. I have great hopes that it will get itself sorted out and do some good for EVE. That, in main, is why I object so strongly to what I see as obstuctive behaviour within the CSM meeting. Finally; If you feel my posts are not constructive and are tiresome, please don't read them. I'm sorry you feel that way, but you do have an easy choice as to reading or not when you see my name. Regards, Windjammer
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.30 19:29:00 - [179] Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto I didn't get that confused either, but I didn't have to read it in real time. I'm not going to fault him for getting a bit run over there. Now, if it happens every meeting, then I'll gladly criticize and mock, but I'll forgive him one or two, just like I will for anybody else. Most of the fault here is that it's a new organization with no real rules, as I've stated before. Darius is the one who got hit hardest by that, but it could happen to anyone. I expect most of the problems to clean up a lot as we get a few more meetings in. As for Darius vs Jade, check out about pages 10-16 of Jade's thread. Basically, Jade went a bit overboard assuming powers to the chair, and Darius went off into "We are equals!" mode. It got **y, to no useful effect. A forum war, in other words. And yeah, he tried a bit too hard to put on the brakes. I'm not saying Darius followed all the proper procedures - he was the one obstructing the meeting. But it doesn't look to me like it was intentional, it looks like he was just a bit slow at assimilating what was going on. I've seen it happen to smarter people over longer timespans. And yeah, IIRC, he's the head of either GoonFleet or GoonSwarm(not sure which, tbh). He got fewer votes than Bane because they were trying to get both of them on, and didn't much care which order they came in. After all, the Goons aren't going away, so if it turns out they only get one on, they'll just focus fire next time and put him in as Chair. Also, I think Bane won their internal election. I don't know what his personal schedule or campaign strategy look like, but that's the way I'd play it. Okay, you have a point about the whole "reading it in real time thing" and maybe Darius is slow, but he's still saying the same thing here in the forums. If it's just because he's slow, that's really** slow. As you suggest, I guess we'll have to wait for future meetings to see if he continues or modifies his behaviour. To be fair, we'll also see what happens regarding the other CSM members. I just finished reading pages 10 through 16 of the thread you suggested. Put me right off breakfast. I'm pretty sure that's called a Clustered FUBAR. I saw Jade use some provacative phrasing, but given the large number of goonswarm posts of deprecation that might be understandable. I didn't see Jade really assume any power or authority that he didn't have or wasn't entitled to. However, I did see a bit of what you were talking about regarding the war Darius and Jade got into. I suppose that might be used as mitigating evidence to explain Darius's behaviour in the CSM meeting, even if not fully excusing it. I looked up Darius in game and he's CEO of goonfleet. Go figure. Thanks for the additional info. Waiting to see what happens at the next CSM meeting, Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.05.31 15:57:00 - [180] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 31/05/2008 16:07:38 Originally by: Windjammer I translate that as, "STFU and go away". Funny.....isn't that what you complain about other people doing to you even when they don't? (sigh) I suppose you're going to accuse me of putting words in your mouth again and/or calling you names. If you're not careful you might hurt my feelings. Once again; I do not accept direction or censorship from you. I'm not one of your little bees. This will never change. You are attempting to put words in my mouth and call me names. You're more than welcome to say the same thing over and over and over again just don't feign hurt when you have nothing new to say and expect a different response from me. My little bees are a bit brighter than that.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.05.31 18:35:00 - [181] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 31/05/2008 16:07:38 Originally by: Windjammer I translate that as, "STFU and go away". Funny.....isn't that what you complain about other people doing to you even when they don't? (sigh) I suppose you're going to accuse me of putting words in your mouth again and/or calling you names. If you're not careful you might hurt my feelings. Once again; I do not accept direction or censorship from you. I'm not one of your little bees. This will never change. You are attempting to put words in my mouth and call me names. You're more than welcome to say the same thing over and over and over again just don't feign hurt when you have nothing new to say and expect a different response from me. My little bees are a bit brighter than that. This is irony. The pot calling the kettle black, a predictable response, you have an apparent inability to see blatant sarcasm, I don't expect to see anything different from you in the future (though I'd sure like to), which is my main objection to you being on the council, and your bees can't be all that bright if you're any measure of said brightness. At first I thought your actions during the council meeting were intentionally obstructive along with the subsequent posts you made on the forums supporting your actions and beliefs. For instance your belief that you were railroaded into a vote and not allowed to discuss. Then someone suggested you were merely slow. It seems incredible to me that you're this slow, but I'm coming around to that point of view. For the sake of your own credibility, if not for the sake of goonswarm, do try harder. Kick it up a notch and try to keep up with the rest. Failing that, please consider the merits of silence. Having a tantrum in a council meeting does not make you look good or reflect well upon goonswarm and will only result in you being marginalized or removed. Windjammer
Wu Jiun State War Academy	Posted - 2008.05.31 20:18:00 - [182] What? CSM reps get their own creepy stalkers? Now i want in too.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.01 03:41:00 - [183] Originally by: Wu Jiun What? CSM reps get their own creepy stalkers? Now i want in too. Naw. I don't think enough of him to stalk him. I'm just a heckler. Thanks for the creepy compliment, though. It's nice to get acknowledgement for my efforts. Windjammer
Drago Vanguard Vanguard Corporation	Posted - 2008.06.01 08:44:00 - [184] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You don't like me. I don't like you either. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems.
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.02 21:47:00 - [185] Originally by: Windjammer This is irony. The pot calling the kettle black, a predictable response, you have an apparent inability to see blatant sarcasm, I don't expect to see anything different from you in the future (though I'd sure like to), which is my main objection to you being on the council, and your bees can't be all that bright if you're any measure of said brightness. At first I thought your actions during the council meeting were intentionally obstructive along with the subsequent posts you made on the forums supporting your actions and beliefs. For instance your belief that you were railroaded into a vote and not allowed to discuss. Then someone suggested you were merely slow. It seems incredible to me that you're this slow, but I'm coming around to that point of view. For the sake of your own credibility, if not for the sake of goonswarm, do try harder. Kick it up a notch and try to keep up with the rest. Failing that, please consider the merits of silence. Having a tantrum in a council meeting does not make you look good or reflect well upon goonswarm and will only result in you being marginalized or removed. Windjammer Good looking out big guy. You keep believing in yourself.
Jade Constantine Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.06.02 22:08:00 - [186] Originally by: Drago Vanguard Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You don't like me. I don't like you either. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have the death sentence on twelve systems. No idea who you are but you gave me a smile! All the best! CSM Manifesto 2008 \| Destroy Outposts!
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.06 07:57:00 - [187] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Good looking out big guy. You keep believing in yourself. I'm sure this made sense to you when you wrote it. How does it look now that you've sobered up? Windjammer
Wilko1776	Posted - 2008.06.06 16:12:00 - [188] i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care.
Tiger Delivery THE INTERNET.	Posted - 2008.06.09 10:02:00 - [189] Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Totally agree, we don't need the worst of Goonies in the CSM, keep Bane, remove Darius.
Lumen Atra GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.09 16:24:00 - [190] Originally by: Tiger Delivery Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Totally agree, we don't need the worst of Goonies in the CSM, keep Bane, remove Darius. I am sure Darius would gladly step down to a suitable replacement if it meant Jade was removed as well :)
Darius JOHNSON GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.09 16:39:00 - [191] Edited by: Darius JOHNSON on 09/06/2008 16:39:48 Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Does anyone else see the irony in being called a simpleton by someone who doesn't understand basic punctuation? I agree however out with that awful Darius! What with his powertrips and frequent abuse of moderation abilities!
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.06.09 16:44:00 - [192] Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Great post. I especially like the part about not going to read the thread and then not not going to read this thread again later. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.09 22:32:00 - [193] Originally by: Lumen Atra Originally by: Tiger Delivery Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Totally agree, we don't need the worst of Goonies in the CSM, keep Bane, remove Darius. I am sure Darius would gladly step down to a suitable replacement if it meant Jade was removed as well :) Naw. Darius wouldn't step down. You're forgetting his ego. Must really burn his cookies the way everyone seems to prefer Bane over him. Windjammer
Lumen Atra GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.10 00:06:00 - [194] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Lumen Atra Originally by: Tiger Delivery Originally by: Wilko1776 i'm not going to read the whole of this thread, but i'd like to put it on record that having heard for myself the way in which darius johnson conducts himself, he is a bit of a simpleton/special boy who thinks he is "out there" with his humour and likes to "push the boundaries" of what is acceptible, he is probably bad news, but boo hoo hoo who cares, let him play with his new toy. I won't be reading this thread again so direct any abuse to my evemail if you feel the need to care. Totally agree, we don't need the worst of Goonies in the CSM, keep Bane, remove Darius. I am sure Darius would gladly step down to a suitable replacement if it meant Jade was removed as well :) Naw. Darius wouldn't step down. You're forgetting his ego. Must really burn his cookies the way everyone seems to prefer Bane over him. Windjammer Considering he was the one that initially wanted it to only be Bane running, I seriously doubt that.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.13 16:34:00 - [195] Originally by: Lumen Atra Considering he was the one that initially wanted it to only be Bane running, I seriously doubt that. I won't argue what Darius initially wanted. The focus is on what he ended up wanting and how he feels now. Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.13 17:10:00 - [196] Originally by: Windjammer I won't argue what Darius initially wanted. The focus is on what he ended up wanting and how he feels now. Windjammer Hey you put your internet psychic hat back on! You have no idea what I've ever wanted or how I've ever felt. Let's not be silly. I know it's a stretch. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:42:00 - [197] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Windjammer I won't argue what Darius initially wanted. The focus is on what he ended up wanting and how he feels now. Windjammer Hey you put your internet psychic hat back on! You have no idea what I've ever wanted or how I've ever felt. Let's not be silly. I know it's a stretch. No, not really that much of a stretch. It's based upon posting inside goonswarm. You remember. Instructions to your bees on how to vote? Splitting the vote between you and Bane? That sort of information. Remember that? Also based upon your prima donna antics in CSM meetings. I know it seems like magic to you (or a psychic trick), but it's not. Windjammer
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.13 23:46:00 - [198] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Windjammer I won't argue what Darius initially wanted. The focus is on what he ended up wanting and how he feels now. Windjammer Hey you put your internet psychic hat back on! You have no idea what I've ever wanted or how I've ever felt. Let's not be silly. I know it's a stretch. No, not really that much of a stretch. It's based upon posting inside goonswarm. You remember. Instructions to your bees on how to vote? Splitting the vote between you and Bane? That sort of information. Remember that? Also based upon your prima donna antics in CSM meetings. I know it seems like magic to you (or a psychic trick), but it's not. Windjammer Well you see the thing is we had an internal vote from about a dozen or so candidates that ended up with darius/bane as the top 2 choices and it was decided we would split the vote between the top 2 candidates which just happened to be the two of them. It could have been a number of different people in these positions. What Prima Donna antics? you mean standing up to the chair when he is abusing his power?
Cursive Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 00:26:00 - [199] Edited by: Cursive on 14/06/2008 00:26:22 Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Originally by: Windjammer I won't argue what Darius initially wanted. The focus is on what he ended up wanting and how he feels now. Windjammer Hey you put your internet psychic hat back on! You have no idea what I've ever wanted or how I've ever felt. Let's not be silly. I know it's a stretch. No, not really that much of a stretch. It's based upon posting inside goonswarm. You remember. Instructions to your bees on how to vote? Splitting the vote between you and Bane? That sort of information. Remember that? Also based upon your prima donna antics in CSM meetings. I know it seems like magic to you (or a psychic trick), but it's not. Windjammer Oh, shnap, we have spies?! Woah.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:07:00 - [200] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Well you see the thing is we had an internal vote from about a dozen or so candidates that ended up with darius/bane as the top 2 choices and it was decided we would split the vote between the top 2 candidates which just happened to be the two of them. It could have been a number of different people in these positions. Yes. If Darius had wanted it to be solely Bane, he (Darius) would have dropped out. Therefore, Darius changed his mind from his original desire. Here's something to ponder. If Darius had dropped out, Bane would now be the chair of the CSM instead of Jade. Kind of makes you think. At risk of being called psychic, I'll venture that goonswarm will forward just one candidate next CSM election. However, there's always the chance goonswarm will be smarter than that. Originally by: Aprudena Gist What Prima Donna antics? you mean standing up to the chair when he is abusing his power? I mean jumping up and down like a red faced child during his attempt to block a vote in the first CSM meeting. I mean engaging in a fleet battle during the second CSM meeting (Couldn't be bothered to give his full attention to the meeting. He's much to important for that.). I mean trying to fan a bad situation into a fire in the third meeting by acting in the same rightously indignant fashion as he did in the first meeting. And I mean his, and goonswarms, consistent and perpetual attempts to blow incidents from the CSM out of proportion using these forums as a tool to do so. There were several in the third CSM meeting who "stood up to the chair" as you put it. Only Darius Johnson found it necessary to have a tantrum both there and on the forums. Frankly, with Darius to base a measurement of goonswarm on, Bane comes as a surprise. Regards, Windjammer P.S. I might be reading your text incorrectly in terms of tone, but you seem surprisingly civil. Are you sure your heart is in this defense of your current CEO?
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:09:00 - [201] Originally by: Cursive Oh, shnap, we have spies?! Woah. That's too X Fileish. You may expect a reprimand from your glorious CEO. Windjammer
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 02:33:00 - [202] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Aprudena Gist Well you see the thing is we had an internal vote from about a dozen or so candidates that ended up with darius/bane as the top 2 choices and it was decided we would split the vote between the top 2 candidates which just happened to be the two of them. It could have been a number of different people in these positions. Yes. If Darius had wanted it to be solely Bane, he (Darius) would have dropped out. Therefore, Darius changed his mind from his original desire. Here's something to ponder. If Darius had dropped out, Bane would now be the chair of the CSM instead of Jade. Kind of makes you think. At risk of being called psychic, I'll venture that goonswarm will forward just one candidate next CSM election. However, there's always the chance goonswarm will be smarter than that. Originally by: Aprudena Gist What Prima Donna antics? you mean standing up to the chair when he is abusing his power? I mean jumping up and down like a red faced child during his attempt to block a vote in the first CSM meeting. I mean engaging in a fleet battle during the second CSM meeting (Couldn't be bothered to give his full attention to the meeting. He's much to important for that.). I mean trying to fan a bad situation into a fire in the third meeting by acting in the same rightously indignant fashion as he did in the first meeting. And I mean his, and goonswarms, consistent and perpetual attempts to blow incidents from the CSM out of proportion using these forums as a tool to do so. There were several in the third CSM meeting who "stood up to the chair" as you put it. Only Darius Johnson found it necessary to have a tantrum both there and on the forums. Frankly, with Darius to base a measurement of goonswarm on, Bane comes as a surprise. Regards, Windjammer P.S. I might be reading your text incorrectly in terms of tone, but you seem surprisingly civil. Are you sure your heart is in this defense of your current CEO? I've already said that it may be our intention to forward just one candidate. You're neither astute, clever or psychic for repeating such. I doubt it will be necessary though as I suspect the value of the term "chair" has changed significantly. You're free to characterize my actions however you like, however I was not "engaging in a fleet battle" during the second meeting. Bane said I was. I said clearly "I am here" in the chat channel. I was however in a lagged system causing a delay. A fact I'd made mention of in the beginning of the meeting. And re: Goonswarm again, you editorialize and you do so horribly. Goons or anyone else is well within their rights to say whatever they like. Don't let those facts get in the way of your neverending bluster and bull** however. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Jadzia Blue Department of Truth Enhancement	Posted - 2008.06.14 04:14:00 - [203] Originally by: Windjammer That's too X Fileish. You may expect a reprimand from your glorious CEO. Windjammer I'll chalk it up to ***** envy. Windjammer
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:29:00 - [204] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON Goons or anyone else is well within their rights to say whatever they like. That's actually not the Goonswarm I remember. Right to trash post doesn't equal right to say whatever you want. The Goonswarm I was in, one was free to do and say whatever you wanted, as long as you: 1) Never questioned the directorate; 2) Never questioned, or even just tried to discuss or get a clarification on war strategy; 3) Never let your burning hate for BoB be doubted by making a balanced statement about them. Also it was wise to adhere to expected communication patterns: a) Post in memes and one liners (this even applied to the war room on the Gf.com forums) b) Serious communication was generally something to be frowned upon. It wasn't needed after all, as the directorate in their fathomless wisdom already facilitated all the necessary thought process among themselves. You just had to X up. c) There are only Allies (all super friends), Enemies (to be meta hated) and Pubbies (worthy of contempt). Your outside communication had to reflect this. I would like to remind you of the Goon who dared to deviate from said communication patterns, and was ordered to facilitate his own banning from eve-o (he posted close up pictures of a certain orifice and was perma banned, not only from the forums but also from the game, for this). Goonswarm may have changed a little bit for the better since these days (probably due to the disappearence of The Mittani) but events like the witch hunt on Jade or the recent readmission of Cippalipus Primus in your ranks make me somehow doubt about the extent of this. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 05:59:00 - [205] Originally by: Illaria That's actually not the Goonswarm I remember. Right to trash post doesn't equal right to say whatever you want. The Goonswarm I was in, one was free to do and say whatever you wanted, as long as you: 1) Never questioned the directorate; 2) Never questioned, or even just tried to discuss or get a clarification on war strategy; 3) Never let your burning hate for BoB be doubted by making a balanced statement about them. Also it was wise to adhere to expected communication patterns: a) Post in memes and one liners (this even applied to the war room on the Gf.com forums) b) Serious communication was generally something to be frowned upon. It wasn't needed after all, as the directorate in their fathomless wisdom already facilitated all the necessary thought process among themselves. You just had to X up. c) There are only Allies (all super friends), Enemies (to be meta hated) and Pubbies (worthy of contempt). Your outside communication had to reflect this. I would like to remind you of the Goon who dared to deviate from said communication patterns, and was ordered to facilitate his own banning from eve-o (he posted close up pictures of a certain orifice and was perma banned, not only from the forums but also from the game, for this). Goonswarm may have changed a little bit for the better since these days (probably due to the disappearence of The Mittani) but events like the witch hunt on Jade or the recent readmission of Cippalipus Primus in your ranks make me somehow doubt about the extent of this. I'm sorry you don't agree with the administration of the corp you are not a member of. v0v be bitter about it. Originally by: Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:13:00 - [206] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I'm sorry you don't agree with the administration of the corp you are not a member of. v0v be bitter about it. It's not about my agreement with how Goonswarm runs his business, but about the public picture you recently try to paint of your alliance. Or let me put in simple words, perhaps more suitable to your part of the audience: It'a about calling you on your bull****. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:31:00 - [207] Originally by: Illaria It's not about my agreement with how Goonswarm runs his business, but about the public picture you recently try to paint of your alliance. Or let me put in simple words, perhaps more suitable to your part of the audience: It'a about calling you on your bull**. And what bull would that be? You quoted me saying goons can post whatever they want. They can. Where's the bull? Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.14 06:52:00 - [208] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And what bull** would that be? You quoted me saying goons can post whatever they want. They can. Where's the bull**? No they can't. I listed topics that were taboo or at least frowned upon. If they did so anyway: they were either outright banned, or, on a minor offense, ridiculed by the mob, with the backing of the directorate, for it. I also gave a more prominent example of how unwelcome posts were suppressed by degrading one of your own members into banning himself from the eve-o forums (and accidentally from the game itself). Truth is that you indeed have many freedoms in Goonfleet you don't have in other corps/alliances, but the truth also is that when it comes to blind mass following mentality it's also one of the worst. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Darius JOHNSON	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:02:00 - [209] Originally by: Illaria Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And what bull** would that be? You quoted me saying goons can post whatever they want. They can. Where's the bull? No they can't. I listed topics that were taboo or at least frowned upon. If they did so anyway: they were either outright banned, or, on a minor offense, ridiculed by the mob, with the backing of the directorate, for it. I also gave a more prominent example of how unwelcome posts were suppressed by degrading one of your own members into banning himself from the eve-o forums (and accidentally from the game itself). Truth is that you indeed have many freedoms in Goonfleet you don't have in other corps/alliances, but the truth also is that when it comes to blind mass following mentality it's also one of the worst. You gave an example that is simply not true today. I can't speak for the past. I am not trying to speak for the past in this regard. At the least since I took over Goons have been free to say whatever they like. I'm pretty sure it was the same under Sesfan. Tell me again what people in the corp you're not in and I'm CEO of are allowed to do. Originally by:** Jade Constantine You might be a big man on the internets Darius but prepare to be laughed at quite a lot in Europe.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:02:00 - [210] Originally by: Illaria Originally by: Darius JOHNSON And what bull** would that be? You quoted me saying goons can post whatever they want. They can. Where's the bull**? No they can't. I listed topics that were taboo or at least frowned upon. If they did so anyway: they were either outright banned, or, on a minor offense, ridiculed by the mob, with the backing of the directorate, for it. I also gave a more prominent example of how unwelcome posts were suppressed by degrading one of your own members into banning himself from the eve-o forums (and accidentally from the game itself). Truth is that you indeed have many freedoms in Goonfleet you don't have in other corps/alliances, but the truth also is that when it comes to blind mass following mentality it's also one of the worst. I've been posting I hope we lose for a long time and haven't been banned :) Maybe you are shinori?
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.14 07:10:00 - [211] Originally by: Tress Macneille I've been posting I hope we lose for a long time and haven't been banned :) Maybe you are shinori? Haha. I laughed at this, because I couldn't stand Shinori myself Also Shinori wasn't banned because he begged to differ, but because he was even by Goon standards a giant douche, if I'm rightly informed. So in this case I have to give mad props to whoever banned him. ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:09:00 - [212] Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I've already said that it may be our intention to forward just one candidate. You're neither astute, clever or psychic for repeating such. I doubt it will be necessary though as I suspect the value of the term "chair" has changed significantly. Gosh. You really put me in my place, huh? Neither the position or term of "Chair" has changed. It never was what you feared it to be. It never was a position of power. It never made Jade more important than you. You've really had a phobia about that. Repeating the chant, "we're all equal" and having to be constantly reassured on that count have not helped your image. The image of a frightened child concerned that he'll cease to become the center of attention. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You're free to characterize my actions however you like, however I was not "engaging in a fleet battle" during the second meeting. Bane said I was. I said clearly "I am here" in the chat channel. I was however in a lagged system causing a delay. A fact I'd made mention of in the beginning of the meeting. And re: Goonswarm again, you editorialize and you do so horribly. Goons or anyone else is well within their rights to say whatever they like. Don't let those facts get in the way of your neverending bluster and bull**** however. I appreciate you giving me freedom to continue to characterize your actions. I already possess this freedom, but it's amusing to see you think yourself important enough to grant it. Keep it up and your hats aren't going to fit. Let's be clear on what you did in the second CSM meeting. First; you made excuse for your lagged responses, which wasted time for the CSM meeting, by saying you were in a war lagged system. It was promptly suggested you move and that in the future CSM members avoid situations during CSM meetings such as you put yourself in. Second; Bane announced you told him you had just warped into a fleet battle and suggested voting be delayed while you were in that situation. To your credit you did, after a few moments, tell the meeting you were there and did not ask for special consideration. I call that engaging in a fleet battle. Even if you were just observing it still lagged you more. You were in a war lagged system and instead of getting out of that system you went further into lag by warping into the battle and THAT, Darius, demonstrates a lack of full attention to the CSM meeting which is what I said. You really should look up and attempt to gain a better understanding of the words you try to use. Words like "editorialize" and "truth". I understand you heard/read Ank use the term editorialize and I'm sure it looked like a big word to you and that's what tempted you to use it. However, using a word you don't fully understand only makes you look more like the little boy in his fathers too large shoes and hat proudly pronouncing himself to be a "big boy now". As far as the word "truth"? You haven't a clue as to the concept. Re: Freedom within goonswarm. Absolutely. Members of goonswarm have the freedom to be or say anything they wish. Additionally, they have the freedom to be harassed, belittled and attacked for it. They get to be called "traitor", "coward" and "spy" and on occasion they even get to be blown up. Ahhhhh.......freedom........feels good, doesn't it? Here's an interesting little concept for you. Peer pressure. Look it up. Windjammer P.S. The more I read from you, the happier I am that you've assumed control of goonfleet.
Tress Macneille Eight year old girls GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:55:00 - [213] WALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXT WALLOFTEXT
Keddren Fel	Posted - 2008.06.14 22:58:00 - [214] Originally by: Windjammer Originally by: Darius JOHNSON I've already said that it may be our intention to forward just one candidate. You're neither astute, clever or psychic for repeating such. I doubt it will be necessary though as I suspect the value of the term "chair" has changed significantly. Gosh. You really put me in my place, huh? Neither the position or term of "Chair" has changed. It never was what you feared it to be. It never was a position of power. It never made Jade more important than you. You've really had a phobia about that. Repeating the chant, "we're all equal" and having to be constantly reassured on that count have not helped your image. The image of a frightened child concerned that he'll cease to become the center of attention. Originally by: Darius JOHNSON You're free to characterize my actions however you like, however I was not "engaging in a fleet battle" during the second meeting. Bane said I was. I said clearly "I am here" in the chat channel. I was however in a lagged system causing a delay. A fact I'd made mention of in the beginning of the meeting. And re: Goonswarm again, you editorialize and you do so horribly. Goons or anyone else is well within their rights to say whatever they like. Don't let those facts get in the way of your neverending bluster and bull** however. I appreciate you giving me freedom to continue to characterize your actions. I already possess this freedom, but it's amusing to see you think yourself important enough to grant it. Keep it up and your hats aren't going to fit. Let's be clear on what you did in the second CSM meeting. First; you made excuse for your lagged responses, which wasted time for the CSM meeting, by saying you were in a war lagged system. It was promptly suggested you move and that in the future CSM members avoid situations during CSM meetings such as you put yourself in. Second; Bane announced you told him you had just warped into a fleet battle and suggested voting be delayed while you were in that situation. To your credit you did, after a few moments, tell the meeting you were there and did not ask for special consideration. I call that engaging in a fleet battle. Even if you were just observing it still lagged you more. You were in a war lagged system and instead of getting out of that system you went further into lag by warping into the battle and THAT, Darius, demonstrates a lack of full attention to the CSM meeting which is what I said. You really should look up and attempt to gain a better understanding of the words you try to use. Words like "editorialize" and "truth". I understand you heard/read Ank use the term editorialize and I'm sure it looked like a big word to you and that's what tempted you to use it. However, using a word you don't fully understand only makes you look more like the little boy in his fathers too large shoes and hat proudly pronouncing himself to be a "big boy now". As far as the word "truth"? You haven't a clue as to the concept. Re: Freedom within goonswarm. Absolutely. Members of goonswarm have the freedom to be or say anything they wish. Additionally, they have the freedom to be harassed, belittled and attacked for it. They get to be called "traitor", "coward" and "spy" and on occasion they even get to be blown up. Ahhhhh.......freedom........feels good, doesn't it? Here's an interesting little concept for you. Peer pressure. Look it up. Windjammer P.S. The more I read from you, the happier I am that you've assumed control of goonfleet. Were you born this ****** or did you have to take a course?
Windjammer	Posted - 2008.06.14 23:36:00 - [215] Originally by: Keddren Fel Were you born this ******** or did you have to take a course? Several courses and a lifetime of training. Windjammer
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.15 00:11:00 - [216] Originally by: Windjammer Re: Freedom within goonswarm. Absolutely. Members of goonswarm have the freedom to be or say anything they wish. Additionally, they have the freedom to be harassed, belittled and attacked for it. They get to be called "traitor", "coward" and "spy" and on occasion they even get to be blown up. Ahhhhh.......freedom........feels good, doesn't it? Here's an interesting little concept for you. Peer pressure. Look it up. If they can't take the joke they shouldn't have joined in the first place. We don't openly recruit, so unless you're some poor delusional soul that ponied up the :10bux: solely for the purpose of playing spaceships with us, they should know what to expect. It's not a corporation (or alliance) full of miscreants, no matter what you want to think. Most of us are simply irreverent.
Newpiccty	Posted - 2008.06.16 07:01:00 - [217] I know you won't give a ****. But you're my favorite CSM rep. Can I call you DJ Scribbles?
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.16 17:40:00 - [218] I've read the logs. Thus far, Darius speaks up when he doesn't understand something or disagrees with something and you people are giving out to him for this? Don't get me wrong, I'm an antisocial misanthrope at the best of times but, wow, a year from now, you'll have convinced yourselves that everything wrong with Eve is Darius' fault, and Goons by extension. When you start with a wrong premise, it's hard to get a right answer. Have you tried ignoring the speaker and just focusing on the content of the text?
Venomire GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 06:51:00 - [219] Originally by: KeratinBoy I've read the logs. Thus far, Darius speaks up when he doesn't understand something or disagrees with something and you people are giving out to him for this? Don't get me wrong, I'm an antisocial misanthrope at the best of times but, wow, a year from now, you'll have convinced yourselves that everything wrong with Eve is Darius' fault, and Goons by extension. They already blame us. It really can't get any worse. Quote: When you start with a wrong premise, it's hard to get a right answer. Have you tried ignoring the speaker and just focusing on the content of the text? Why would they ever do that? They see "goon" anywhere and their vision goes red.
Illaria	Posted - 2008.06.17 07:40:00 - [220] Originally by: Venomire Why would they ever do that? They see "goon" anywhere and their vision goes red. Did someone say "Goon"? runs off, getting wood for the pyre ---- Darius Johnson, not MY CSM.
Asuri Kinnes Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.06.17 16:04:00 - [221] Originally by: KeratinBoy <<<stuff>>> When you start with a wrong premise, it's hard to get a right answer. Have you tried ignoring the speaker and just focusing on the content of the text? Agree with you here KB. Unfortunately its a widespread phenomena. vOv I think (imho) it also applies equally to Jade as well tho... Some people have made up their minds that Jade Constantine is, if not the Anti-Messiah, then an apostle of same... TBQH - when I saw that the two American Reps were from GF/GS - I was a tad disappointed. However, they have seemed to be able to get their work done. On the other hand so has Jade... Committees are RARELY the easiest places to get work done, and committees being run under a spotlight seem even harsher. It just appears to me that there has become this whole "the other guys aren't worthy" attitude, from many sources... Are they trying to make the game better, all of them? Then I say give'em a chance to prove it. AK Honor is that which you do when no one else is looking. Ethics, Honor and Respect. Without the first two, you can't buy the last one...
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.06.17 20:25:00 - [222] Originally by: Windjammer Re: Freedom within goonswarm. Absolutely. Members of goonswarm have the freedom to be or say anything they wish. Additionally, they have the freedom to be harassed, belittled and attacked for it. They get to be called "traitor", "coward" and "spy" and on occasion they even get to be blown up. Ahhhhh.......freedom........feels good, doesn't it? Here's an interesting little concept for you. Peer pressure. Look it up. this is the best part about goonfleet. wow can we get normally smart people to do hilariously stupid stuff. Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan

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