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Stakhanov
Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.04 13:12:00 -
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You can find security in 0.0 because it features nicer resources than lowsec. Look at the 0.0 regions with low true sec such as Syndicate or Pure Blind , they are blobbed wastelands.
If people couldn't turn a high profit from the relative safety (no chance of ever getting your T2 fitted raven in NPC corp suicide ganked , short of a personal grudge) of highsec then they would be inclined to organize the extraction of lowsec resources. Maintaining intel channels and security patrols takes more effort than afking missions in highsec , of course. |
Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:14:00 -
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One can find security in 0.0 because of the mechanics that exist for 0.0 (alliance territory control, and what comes with it). The richer resources and higher rewards were always there, and they are there because of the effort needed to occupy and hold space.
In low sec there is no such concepts, so the law abiding pilots have to rely on the not so good npc security measures mainly. Which don't favor pro active defenses. A major drawback in a fight.
The solution to improve low sec either way is not by increasing rewards in low sec (as this would mess up the balance between Empire/low sec/0.0), but by providing some way, where via enough effort by a corp or an alliance, risk could be lowered (not eliminated just lowered proportionally). |
Blastil
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Posted - 2008.05.04 14:25:00 -
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CCP needs to herd the carebears into low-sec, put them in pens, and let us Pirates clean up the mess.
No, but in all seriousness, CCP needs to make some incentive to go into low-sec for carebears. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:24:00 -
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so where do the pirates hang out these days anyway |
harmless scout
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk so where do the pirates hang out these days anyway
Highest populations can be found in:
Rancer & Otou. This is still a highly traveled pipe between Rens/Hek and Jita. Your odds of seeing at least one gatecamp at any time are fairly high. Look at ships killed during the last hour -- 20 or more in the last hour indicates an active camp.
Amamake. A perennial favorite, you are sure to find someone to shoot here.
Evati neighborhood. With the massive cruiser blobs fielded by EM lately these guys are getting slightly harder to find. But you can usually scare up someone on the pipe between Evati and Emogranlan.
Matari space is densely populated by pirates and anti-pirates alike. Come on down! Alternatively, throw me some cash and I'll be happy to pass along gatecamp and pirate concentrations throughout northeast empire. |
Swiftness
Caldari VMF-214 Blacksheep
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:35:00 -
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Any suggestion where to go if this zone actually sucks?
Sounds like your current hunting grounds are awful. If it's already full of pirates there's a low chance for you to run into a juicy target ...
You know what they say about mushrooms (or fish) : Some people probably know the best spots to find them ; and guess what, they won't tell you . |
Chu'ra
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Posted - 2008.05.04 15:41:00 -
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Originally by: Aoife Baelish I'm starting piracy in metropolis and it's driving me mad already.
No targets at all, it's full of t2 pirates... Are all EVE zones as bad as this for piracy? Or did I choose one of the worst?
Is it just me?
Any suggestion where to go if this zone actually sucks?
thanks.
Am i the only one who find this OP lame?
Not anyone's fault if you can't bring yourself to shoot at a moving ship be it pirates or miner
I can understand the whine when there's NO ONE out there,
but this is just lame. |
Sniggerdly Hater
The Abyssmal Spire
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:45:00 -
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Real pirates left low sec and joined the empire extortion wars. If you want fat isk targets I advise you to follow their example and go kill the carebears where they live. |
Clone 984
Shining Horses Black Sun Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.04 16:48:00 -
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It all got quiet when Ginger left.
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Qaedel
Noob Mercs
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Posted - 2008.05.04 18:03:00 -
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In order to make lowsec viable, there will need to be a drastic change, far beyond adjusting the risk/reward ratio. Lowsec is already overloaded with pirates, and that's with no one going there. If it were populated with PVE'ers, the pirate population would explode.
It's going to take a fundamental change in the nature of lowsec to get people to go there. |
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Spitfire451
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Posted - 2008.05.05 00:30:00 -
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Yes the low sec is filled mostly with other pirates, an occasional newbie ratting in belts, and isk farmer haulers. Yes this has been like it for quite some time now so what you're reporting is true of many areas. It has gotten even less populated since introduction of HICs, fall in prices of named modules, and salvaging which means that players are more scared of traveling to low sec and newbie ratters can now make more ISK on high sec missions rather than belt ratting. Used to be the other way around.
So you either fight with other low sec pirates, make frequent runs into 0.0, or join empire extortion corps.
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Kain De'Stroi
Epic.
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Posted - 2008.05.05 05:53:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren I sometimes consider going back to harass whoever's taken over my old haunt.
-Liang
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.05 07:03:00 -
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Actually, the pirate population is relatively low compared to our former home, Placid. It is a hell of a lot safer to engage somone in Taff, than to engage somone in Dantumi. That said, Dantumi, Aurohunen, Mara, Passari, all of those were good hunting systems, that were close together. But other than that, Placid was worse. Too many gatecamps.
Metropolis got so many redeeming features that its scary. Its very close to several good hunting grounds, and there are plenty of decent ones in Metro. That said, the general population of the systems, and the ammount of people who travel trough aren't as high as Placid.
we are recruiting!
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Tony Allizzar
POINT CLICK KILL
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Posted - 2008.05.05 11:37:00 -
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I am opposed to putting some essential mineral in low sec, I think all that would do is fill up low sec with .0 allience tards camping the **** out of the systems with there capitol fleets. You guys can stay in .0, we dont want you in empire thanks.
I do think that maybe exploration could be kept out of high sec though. I dont belive in taking away lvl4's from high sec. I do apricaite that some people just dont want to risk PVP, and fair enough, they have enough to worry about from war dec's by folks like me and gankers. But putting some sort of profitable and intresting exploration in low sec could be good.
I really hope someone does come up with something, it just aint what it was 2 years ago, maybe it cant be fixed. but fingers crossed eh
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Inertial
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.05 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tony Allizzar I am opposed to putting some essential mineral in low sec, I think all that would do is fill up low sec with .0 allience tards camping the **** out of the systems with there capitol fleets. You guys can stay in .0, we dont want you in empire thanks.
I do think that maybe exploration could be kept out of high sec though. I dont belive in taking away lvl4's from high sec. I do apricaite that some people just dont want to risk PVP, and fair enough, they have enough to worry about from war dec's by folks like me and gankers. But putting some sort of profitable and intresting exploration in low sec could be good.
I really hope someone does come up with something, it just aint what it was 2 years ago, maybe it cant be fixed. but fingers crossed eh
New nonvital content in low-sec is not the way to go. If people can ignore it, and the risks, they will. It would have to be worth billions in a few hours of work for people to go to low-sec for it. Fact is that lvl 4 missions are worth so much, that any new feature would be completely ignored. The keyword for people moving to low-sec is Vital. Ice is vital, so removing it from high-sec would mean that people without 0.0 access will have to go to low-sec to get Ice.
The economy would maybe crash first. T2 prices sky rocket etc. Eventually mining Ice would become so profitable that organised high-sec corps and alliances would move to low-sec, attempting to protect their systems.
I doubt 0.0 alliances would move to low-sec tough. Most 0.0 regions got a few icefields, and considering how resiliant ice-fields are, the security of 0.0 and the lowering of security status in low-sec, the hassle of controling low-sec belts aren't worth it.
we are recruiting!
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Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.05.05 12:46:00 -
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Edited by: Jill Antaris on 05/05/2008 12:46:31
Originally by: Aoife Baelish I'm starting piracy in metropolis and it's driving me mad already.
No targets at all, it's full of t2 pirates... Are all EVE zones as bad as this for piracy? Or did I choose one of the worst?
Is it just me?
Any suggestion where to go if this zone actually sucks?
thanks.
Was in Metroplolis, Molden, and Heimatar for a weekendtrip two weeks ago in my little Omen. Most systems in Metro, Heimatar and Molden was eamty or to populated for my taste. Got some nice fights anyway, most Frigs bailed out before I had a chance to take them down and had to retreat against a Rupture but killed a Caracal and a Trasher(ok not that epic but I take what I can get ). Funniest thing was a Raven in a Belt that left quite quckly as my Omen arived.
If you search for it you will find some T1 Ships that are willing to fight(that Carcal engaged me, respect to the pilote) or some Ships that are slow enught to catch them, but this is not that common anymore...
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Rhak Amharr
Minmatar Metafarmers
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Posted - 2008.05.05 13:48:00 -
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I live in Metropolis/Heimatar, and I have to partly agree with you, especially on weekends there's a ****load of T2 ships in the non-existing air (more than in other areas I visited).
But the hunting grounds are decent, there are quite some ratters / mission runners (although those start to disappear, farming mission runners ftl), and a lot of solo/very small gang PVPers during the week. If you're high on bloodlust and just can't manage to get a fight, just go to Amamake and sit in 3-1. Don't expect to get your ship out alive, but if you're lucky, you get 1 or 2 good fights before the blob arrives.
Btw, don't expect to only get fights that are in your favour, and don't hesitate to engage bigger ships. Especially because your members mostly fly frigates. I remember an occasion, though I'm not sure if you were online at that time, where I and a corp mate (and two others after about 30 minutes) camped you in a Rupture and a Harbinger, while you had 10 mostly non-flashy pilots docked, all in (what we suspected) PVP fitted frigates, and maybe one or two cruisers. You had a really decent chance to kill us easily while it was only the two of us, but you decided to stay docked and instaundock out of the system an hour later (when the two other guys already left again, but granted, it could've been a trap). Just engage in those cases, it's mucho fun, and I don't know if I'm the only one, but I don't mind losing a ship in a good fight.
No matter how the fight goes, you will get a valuable combat experience out of it. And if you want a classic 1v1, or 2v2, or whatever (even that 10v2), just drop me a line, I'm mostly hanging around Klogori with the occasional 40 jumps out. :)
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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Minmatar Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.05 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon on 05/05/2008 14:30:55 40-man antipirate gangs in Metro... I wish.
Anyway, there's just one reason not mentioned yet for low sec being quieter these days, and it's this: with the current mineral prices, mining in low sec makes precious little sense. Due to the trit price insanity and other fun market stuff, veld and scord in hi sec pull equal or better isk per hour than any of the low sec ores, and can even compete with zero sec mining if you count in the haul time to hisec. There's simply no real monetary incentive to miners to hang around in low sec even if you disregard the pirate risk.
Elsebeth
-- Help us defend the Republic; join Gradient today.
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KillJoy Tseng
Minmatar Re-Awakened Technologies Inc Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.05.05 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: harmless scout
Amamake. A perennial favorite, you are sure to find someone to shoot here.
I don't know about that one; from talking to people it's a *lot* quieter down there than it used to be. Maybe I'm just going through at weird hours or something, but something like 95% of the time I go through that pipe it's just dead. Possibly because there's a nice safe highsec route around it that's "only" like a half-dozen jumps longer; not familiar with the area around Rancer but would it be safe to assume there's not really anything similar?
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari Naqam
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Posted - 2008.05.05 19:55:00 -
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Originally by: Amastat
The last days where piracy was a pentiful and easy profession in my experience was during Red Moon Rising.
This
I had most fun in all of EVE during RMR. Then Rev came, with WTZ, Rigs, HP Buffs and Tier2 BCs - all of which changed the gameplay of EVE drastically.
whether it was for better or worse though, who really knows? ...
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