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Celestial Demon
Straight Jacket Carebears
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:38:00 -
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I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff.
Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons.
I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out.
This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember.
I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game.
I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something.
This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me.
I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end.
I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life.
This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things.
For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that
For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away
The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again.
I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either.
Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again.
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Aadi Grox
Minmatar Mafia
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:41:00 -
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can i have your stuff |
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:45:00 -
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My brother's roommate plays World of Warcraft twelve hours or longer each day. I asked my brother to ask the guy what it was he was doing on there all day, and he said something like how every time a guild-mate starts a new character everyone else will help power level that character, so that's what took up most of the guy's time on WoW. The guy skipped three of his four final exams because they conflicted with his WoW schedule.
Summary is that MMO addictions are bad m'kay |
Face Lifter
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:46:00 -
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there is no 1 on 1 in EVE, trying to make it happen is foolish. When you ask someone for 1 on 1, make sure you have some special trick
EVE is not a game of honor |
Captain Falcord
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Captain Falcord on 03/05/2008 11:49:36
 Originally by: Celestial Demon
I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff.
Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons.
I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out.
This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember.
I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game.
I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something.
This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me.
I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end.
I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life.
This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things.
For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that
For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away
The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again.
I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either.
Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again.
You took the first step for solving a problem. Knowing you have it.
However, don't pretend to find help for leaving drugs in a drug-addict hub. Expect "Can I have your stuffs" and "that's because you do this and that wrong while playing eve".
MMORPGs are evil. Trust me, it's the XXI century h e r o i n. |
Tamia Clant
New Dawn Corp
New Eden Research
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:53:00 -
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If you're trying to quit, delete your characters, you probably won't be as tempted to come back if you have to start from zero.
As for losing control, that really shouldn't be happening. What you should realize is that EVE is a form of entertainment. Having your ship get destroyed on a dishonored 1v1 isn't generally fun at all, but it's part of how the game works, and in the end, you don't really lose anything, it's all just virtual stuff. If you can't manage to find the game enjoyable then you must really find a way to quit. |
Verone
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:54:00 -
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If you really do want out that badly, do it the simple way.
Give all your posessions to a friend or someone you know in game, along with your characters and leave.
It's not worth coming back if there's nothing to come back to.
Give the content of this post and the fact you're admitting you're addicted to Eve and have a problem, then it's probably for the best on a mental level.
Alternatively if you have no friends in game you want to give your stuff to and want out, feel free to contact Eve University and donate it all to them. They train new players and could do with all the donations the can get hold of.
Alternatively, for a third course of action, donate all your stuff to me and I'll put it to good use. 
Either way, you've done the right thing by getting to the root of the problem, now you just need to take the appropriate action, whatever you feel that is.
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TerrorBaBy
Caldari
Universal-Corp
The Nexus Alliance
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Demon
The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again.
Same here tbh. Except I don't come back to get burned. My old friends always welcome me back, I play for a couple of months solidly, and then get bored and leave again for a few months.
No matter how many times I try to leave I always end up coming back. |
Captain Falcord
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
If you really do want out that badly, do it the simple way.
Give all your posessions to a friend or someone you know in game, along with your characters and leave.
It's not worth coming back if there's nothing to come back to.
Give the content of this post and the fact you're admitting you're addicted to Eve and have a problem, then it's probably for the best on a mental level.
Alternatively if you have no friends in game you want to give your stuff to and want out, feel free to contact Eve University and donate it all to them. They train new players and could do with all the donations the can get hold of.
Alternatively, for a third course of action, donate all your stuff to me and I'll put it to good use.
Either way, you've done the right thing by getting to the root of the problem, now you just need to take the appropriate action, whatever you feel that is.
So long for a "Can I have your stuff?"
Joking :P |
Yakia TovilToba
Halliburton Inc.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:58:00 -
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I don't think IP ban is the solution for you, don't run away from that problem, it will follow you to many other aspects of life.
Try to learn from this instead, take this events as a training tool to develop some sort of emotional distance to things that happened to you. Try to rationalize it, understand that society has degenerated and produces bastards that see their purpose of life in harming others. Since in rl they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that, scam, harass, insult and grief others for fun. Your pain is their gain. So just don't do them a favour and don't let that things have an emotional impact on you, and then those little energy vampires can't do anything to you.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2008.05.03 11:58:00 -
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Try to remember, this is just a game. It is times when EVE means more than real life it is time to trash/give away EVERYTHING, including your characters. You will rarely stumble upon honorable fights in New Eden, the best way you can do is seek your self onto larger battles, or go roam for the fun of it, not because it is honorable fights.
Sadly I have no solution to your problem except once again - it's a game, don't take it too seriously.
Always sad to see someone leaving, for their health or not, I wish you the best with whatever option you go for and hope that you feel good about the decision taken.
/c |
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miss elena
Minmatar
The Geriatrics
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:07:00 -
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agreed, giving away your possesions is the best deterent for the urge to come back.also go get a new shiny single player game to help fill the void of quitting online games because after all they wont strung you up to the level a online game can |
Amastat
Caldari
Omegatech
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Demon
I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff.
Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons.
I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out.
This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember.
I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game.
I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something.
This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me.
I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end.
I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life.
This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things.
For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that
For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away
The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again.
I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either.
Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again.
Wow, from what I'm reading - I REALLY hope you never touch a can of beer or a cigerrte if you havn't already.
Why don't you just go to your account page and just hit a buncha random crap with your eyes closed on your keyboard, then set that as your new password? |
Wild Rho
Amarr
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:26:00 -
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Only thing I can really recommend is go out and find a new hobby to direct your energy into, you'll probably find it'll help a lot with getting Eve off your mind and help you relax. |
Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.05.03 12:47:00 -
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You can do what others have said - that you were honest in some protistant way and that that is somehow true, that you should regain control or some illution of it, possibly even entice you into some other habitual mode of production like. . .golf or some such. You could alternetly seek out a little test in negativity buy pushing the habit further - perhaps aided by alchohol. That way, you can really test the depth of your mantle.
Ultimatly, if really do think this is serious, institutinalize yourself for a few months and let the quacks take a peak. . . |
Dan Grobag
Caldari
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:02:00 -
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Remember that things in eve only have a values to eve things.
The day you stop giving value to eve things you will have to face all of them you're saying they have no more value, these things being that faction battle ship as much as you're love for gate camping.
They will just not agree like that, if you're weak they might even put harm on your life.
You can't cut them like that as much as you couldn't cut your own arm right away. You have to first "speak" to it and tell it everything that live inside how they will have to live next. |
Captain Falcord
Gallente
The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:33:00 -
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From the very time you start spending your time on a game, your in-game assets gain PERSONAL value.
The only chance of getting rid of that value is trough not spending ANY time in the game. |
joshmorris
AnTi.
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aadi Grox
can i have your stuff
Can i have half his stuffs ? |
Lisento Slaven
Amarr
The Drekla Consortium
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:39:00 -
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What do you find yourself doing during your breaks from EVE? |
Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:42:00 -
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EternalDragon? |
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Princess Kyky
Caldari
I G N O T U S
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Posted - 2008.05.03 13:50:00 -
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Start doing things that can you can release that energy, i would recommend kickboxing, kick the living **** out of them punchbags! |
Celestial Demon
Straight Jacket Carebears
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Posted - 2008.05.03 14:14:00 -
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Originally by: Vek NaVek
EternalDragon?
I was pretty sure everyone forgot my old name.
Not sure if its good or bad that some people remember it. |
Timotheus Siberius
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:12:00 -
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To me it looks like you are in a battle with yourself - you have realized you are addicted to a game and some part of you wants to fight it.
You have realized what you need to do - "walk away" - but have failed to overcome your addiction your previous tries.
I don't know where you live, but in some countries there are now treatment centers for such an addiction - and I am not in any way kidding here - to help you deal with it. You may find that idea absurd in the first place, but if you are serious about what you wrote you need help. There's nothing wrong about that. Even if it may take a year or two to overcome it completely, but you will never look back after you made it.
Because you are right, your life shouldn't be that much about an online game, there may have been reasons that drove you where you are now, but its never too late to change things once you've realized something is wrong.
Maybe this is helpful, although I had hoped to find addresses for help there (but didnt):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_addiction |
Vek NaVek
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:19:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Demon
Originally by: Vek NaVek
EternalDragon?
I was pretty sure everyone forgot my old name.
Not sure if its good or bad that some people remember it.
I somehow dont think its just the name they remember
You have been through this before, you have been told what you need to do
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P'uck
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Posted - 2008.05.03 15:35:00 -
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I think every video game addict knows those problems.
From afar it just looks like you need some distance (to eve, for a start).
Since i don't know you in person i probably cant give you any tips how to pull that off, maybe some of your friends can. |
tarin adur
Gallente
Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.05.03 17:47:00 -
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Edited by: tarin adur on 03/05/2008 17:48:34
I would suggest something to occupy your time between eve, and also get yourself an Xbox 360 and start playing online there, buy a game like Call of Duty where you don't actually 'collect' anything...and slowly push yourself away from eve...rather then playing for 2 hours in eve,play an hour in eve and an hour on Xbox Live. Next time your corp/alliance has a big op,miss it but stay on vent......separate yourself from any activity in eve that might aggrivate you.
Edit - Get a job, a girlfriend and focus on school(if your still i nschool) |
Nathanial Victor
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2008.05.03 18:08:00 -
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outside, go there
women, meet them
sports, play them
self control, find it
man up nancy. i dont go for the 'mmo addiction' thing.
there is no ****** absorbed through your keyboard, its not a true addiction. it's a flaw in your character and you need to take control of yourself and start accepting responsibility for your actions. eve doesn't make you log in, you do it all by yourself.
if you dont have any self control, your life is already screwed. your going to have a hell of alot more problems than video games down the road. now quit being a wuss and asking for help in the god damn game forums and go outside.
oh, one more hint. throw your computer into the street. since the dawn of time man has lived just fine w/o microprocessors. if you dont have self control, deprive yourself of the means and convinience once and for all.
if you cant do the above, stfu, your just grabbing for attention and dont really want to help yourself at all |
Powerpulse
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Posted - 2008.05.03 18:12:00 -
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I will answer this because I have been playing since 2003 and have taken many breaks. What normally happens is I hammer at eve for about 5 months and then I take a month break.. I have come unglued in game but not for getting ganked in high or low sec even though ive cursed the people that do it mentally.
Nah I find ways to get back at them like tell everybody about thier gate camps or find them with agents and tell local what they are like and what they do whereever i find them..Seems to annoy them as much as annoying me did getting ganked and heck i dont holler at the kid and wife for it.
Their was one time though when i completely lost in in eve. I used the F word 56 times in a row because I was stabbed betrayed by people who were supposed to be friends in an alliance i was in.. Considering that if those people had been in the room i was in I seriously would have put some of them in the hospital...Then when i calmed down and realized the full implication of the reaction I had..(when your betrayed its like the world turns red and grey) I then realized that I had to change my form of game play.. I use to love big corps and ops and massive operations. Since that moment I pretty much dont. I have a few chosen friends whom i trust and have known online for over a year and I trust them implicitly..as far as the rest of people in eve they are a means to an end and that is it.
Eve is such a reflection of Real life that to be honest the amount of work needed to accomplish some things is even more intensive in Eve then it is in some Jobs In Rl I have had.
For instance try setting up a full 11 component T-2 production line with BPO's Reserach FUel Pos prices spreadsheets..Selling the items pro's and cons meeting people making deals..It is all very intensive.
Truth is overall Eve is the focus of RL at a x100 magnification of how life could be in space. When you put in alot of work into something in RL you have the LAW to back you up in many situations where in eve you have a corp and isk and smart thinking and mercenaries if push comes to shove.
First thing in eve is you can make a couple assumptions for the most part.
(1) Not everybody is out to screw you over but you are better off assuming that on some level most will.
(2) NEVER EVER EVER trust anybody in this game unless you have tested the crap out of them. Things they say attitudes they have and reliability of what they do. Most people dont have the smarts to play counter to what they really want to do although some are pretty good at lieing cheating and stealing. Just watch what they do...if they are F'ng with ya lose them like a bad smelling crap in the toilet and dont look back.
(3) Low sec and 0.0 are designed to do two things. One get you killed unless you know people that can provide protection to keep you alive. 3a make massive amounts of isk if you can set it up but see 3 above
Eve often requires time to settle back and watch things happen and not rush in guns blazing with ideas and everything all the time. CHIll relax chat with peope is fun also.
NOW THE VERY VERY VERY VERY best thing you can do while playing eve is this.
Find a free FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game and get good at it.. People **** you off in eve go shoot people for fun in a game and blowing their fraking head off.. I find it good fun and pretty good at calming me down and getting my mind off of eve.
Just my 10 cents |
Radcjk
Caldari
Dark Star LTD
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2008.05.03 18:43:00 -
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Get married and / or have a kid. Kills your eve time like a mother****** |
Cyriel Longinus
Caldari
XERCORE
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Posted - 2008.05.03 18:43:00 -
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Originally by: Celestial Demon
For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that
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The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again.
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Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again.
Hey man, if you want to discuss this privately in game, I'll be willing to listen.
I'm taking what you said above as hints to what's going on with you. Yea, I could be totally wrong here  .
I'm guessing EvE was a sweet escapism for you when you first discovered it. Then somehow, something you feel strongly about in the real world had leaked into your escape.
It's not EvE Online.
The commonality is your behavoir.
It's evident that you have something to face that goes beyond gaming. You may know what it is or pehaps it's something you fear which you have buried with denial, distractions and escapes.
You would be surprised how many people share this sort of behavoir. Even people you would consider strong, have it to some degree. So it's not like your some out of control feak.
You took a good step in a direction for you by identifying your needs and willing yourself towards a commitment.
It's not a problem unless you allow it to be.
Don't ask the GMs to do this for you.
For good and bad, take posession and accept.
Empower yourself. |
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