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Celestial Demon Straight Jacket Carebears	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:38:00 - [1] I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff. Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons. I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out. This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember. I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game. I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something. This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me. I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end. I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life. This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things. For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either. Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again.
Aadi Grox Minmatar Mafia	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:41:00 - [2] can i have your stuff
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:45:00 - [3] My brother's roommate plays World of Warcraft twelve hours or longer each day. I asked my brother to ask the guy what it was he was doing on there all day, and he said something like how every time a guild-mate starts a new character everyone else will help power level that character, so that's what took up most of the guy's time on WoW. The guy skipped three of his four final exams because they conflicted with his WoW schedule. Summary is that MMO addictions are bad m'kay
Face Lifter	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:46:00 - [4] there is no 1 on 1 in EVE, trying to make it happen is foolish. When you ask someone for 1 on 1, make sure you have some special trick EVE is not a game of honor
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:49:00 - [5] Edited by: Captain Falcord on 03/05/2008 11:49:36 Originally by: Celestial Demon I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff. Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons. I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out. This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember. I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game. I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something. This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me. I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end. I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life. This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things. For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either. Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again. You took the first step for solving a problem. Knowing you have it. However, don't pretend to find help for leaving drugs in a drug-addict hub. Expect "Can I have your stuffs" and "that's because you do this and that wrong while playing eve". MMORPGs are evil. Trust me, it's the XXI century h e r o i n.
Tamia Clant New Dawn Corp New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:53:00 - [6] If you're trying to quit, delete your characters, you probably won't be as tempted to come back if you have to start from zero. As for losing control, that really shouldn't be happening. What you should realize is that EVE is a form of entertainment. Having your ship get destroyed on a dishonored 1v1 isn't generally fun at all, but it's part of how the game works, and in the end, you don't really lose anything, it's all just virtual stuff. If you can't manage to find the game enjoyable then you must really find a way to quit.
Verone Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:54:00 - [7] If you really do want out that badly, do it the simple way. Give all your posessions to a friend or someone you know in game, along with your characters and leave. It's not worth coming back if there's nothing to come back to. Give the content of this post and the fact you're admitting you're addicted to Eve and have a problem, then it's probably for the best on a mental level. Alternatively if you have no friends in game you want to give your stuff to and want out, feel free to contact Eve University and donate it all to them. They train new players and could do with all the donations the can get hold of. Alternatively, for a third course of action, donate all your stuff to me and I'll put it to good use. Either way, you've done the right thing by getting to the root of the problem, now you just need to take the appropriate action, whatever you feel that is.
TerrorBaBy Caldari Universal-Corp The Nexus Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Celestial Demon The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. Same here tbh. Except I don't come back to get burned. My old friends always welcome me back, I play for a couple of months solidly, and then get bored and leave again for a few months. No matter how many times I try to leave I always end up coming back.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Verone If you really do want out that badly, do it the simple way. Give all your posessions to a friend or someone you know in game, along with your characters and leave. It's not worth coming back if there's nothing to come back to. Give the content of this post and the fact you're admitting you're addicted to Eve and have a problem, then it's probably for the best on a mental level. Alternatively if you have no friends in game you want to give your stuff to and want out, feel free to contact Eve University and donate it all to them. They train new players and could do with all the donations the can get hold of. Alternatively, for a third course of action, donate all your stuff to me and I'll put it to good use. Either way, you've done the right thing by getting to the root of the problem, now you just need to take the appropriate action, whatever you feel that is. So long for a "Can I have your stuff?" Joking :P
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:58:00 - [10] I don't think IP ban is the solution for you, don't run away from that problem, it will follow you to many other aspects of life. Try to learn from this instead, take this events as a training tool to develop some sort of emotional distance to things that happened to you. Try to rationalize it, understand that society has degenerated and produces bastards that see their purpose of life in harming others. Since in rl they are restricted to do so by law and law enforcement, they look for games like eve where they can do just that, scam, harass, insult and grief others for fun. Your pain is their gain. So just don't do them a favour and don't let that things have an emotional impact on you, and then those little energy vampires can't do anything to you.


Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2008.05.03 11:58:00 - [11] Try to remember, this is just a game. It is times when EVE means more than real life it is time to trash/give away EVERYTHING, including your characters. You will rarely stumble upon honorable fights in New Eden, the best way you can do is seek your self onto larger battles, or go roam for the fun of it, not because it is honorable fights. Sadly I have no solution to your problem except once again - it's a game, don't take it too seriously. Always sad to see someone leaving, for their health or not, I wish you the best with whatever option you go for and hope that you feel good about the decision taken. /c

miss elena Minmatar The Geriatrics	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:07:00 - [12] agreed, giving away your possesions is the best deterent for the urge to come back.also go get a new shiny single player game to help fill the void of quitting online games because after all they wont strung you up to the level a online game can
Amastat Caldari Omegatech	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Celestial Demon I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff. Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons. I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out. This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember. I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game. I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something. This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me. I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end. I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life. This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things. For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either. Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again. Wow, from what I'm reading - I REALLY hope you never touch a can of beer or a cigerrte if you havn't already. Why don't you just go to your account page and just hit a buncha random crap with your eyes closed on your keyboard, then set that as your new password?
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:26:00 - [14] Only thing I can really recommend is go out and find a new hobby to direct your energy into, you'll probably find it'll help a lot with getting Eve off your mind and help you relax.
Ruah Piskonit Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.05.03 12:47:00 - [15] You can do what others have said - that you were honest in some protistant way and that that is somehow true, that you should regain control or some illution of it, possibly even entice you into some other habitual mode of production like. . .golf or some such. You could alternetly seek out a little test in negativity buy pushing the habit further - perhaps aided by alchohol. That way, you can really test the depth of your mantle. Ultimatly, if really do think this is serious, institutinalize yourself for a few months and let the quacks take a peak. . .
Dan Grobag Caldari Oyster Colors	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:02:00 - [16] Remember that things in eve only have a values to eve things. The day you stop giving value to eve things you will have to face all of them you're saying they have no more value, these things being that faction battle ship as much as you're love for gate camping. They will just not agree like that, if you're weak they might even put harm on your life. You can't cut them like that as much as you couldn't cut your own arm right away. You have to first "speak" to it and tell it everything that live inside how they will have to live next.
Captain Falcord Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:33:00 - [17] From the very time you start spending your time on a game, your in-game assets gain PERSONAL value. The only chance of getting rid of that value is trough not spending ANY time in the game.
joshmorris AnTi. Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:38:00 - [18] Originally by: Aadi Grox can i have your stuff Can i have half his stuffs ?
Lisento Slaven Amarr The Drekla Consortium	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:39:00 - [19] What do you find yourself doing during your breaks from EVE?
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:42:00 - [20] EternalDragon?

Princess Kyky Caldari I G N O T U S	Posted - 2008.05.03 13:50:00 - [21] Start doing things that can you can release that energy, i would recommend kickboxing, kick the living **** out of them punchbags!
Celestial Demon Straight Jacket Carebears	Posted - 2008.05.03 14:14:00 - [22] Originally by: Vek NaVek EternalDragon? I was pretty sure everyone forgot my old name. Not sure if its good or bad that some people remember it.
Timotheus Siberius Gallente	Posted - 2008.05.03 15:12:00 - [23] To me it looks like you are in a battle with yourself - you have realized you are addicted to a game and some part of you wants to fight it. You have realized what you need to do - "walk away" - but have failed to overcome your addiction your previous tries. I don't know where you live, but in some countries there are now treatment centers for such an addiction - and I am not in any way kidding here - to help you deal with it. You may find that idea absurd in the first place, but if you are serious about what you wrote you need help. There's nothing wrong about that. Even if it may take a year or two to overcome it completely, but you will never look back after you made it. Because you are right, your life shouldn't be that much about an online game, there may have been reasons that drove you where you are now, but its never too late to change things once you've realized something is wrong. Maybe this is helpful, although I had hoped to find addresses for help there (but didnt): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Game_addiction
Vek NaVek	Posted - 2008.05.03 15:19:00 - [24] Originally by: Celestial Demon Originally by: Vek NaVek EternalDragon? I was pretty sure everyone forgot my old name. Not sure if its good or bad that some people remember it. I somehow dont think its just the name they remember You have been through this before, you have been told what you need to do
P'uck	Posted - 2008.05.03 15:35:00 - [25] I think every video game addict knows those problems. From afar it just looks like you need some distance (to eve, for a start). Since i don't know you in person i probably cant give you any tips how to pull that off, maybe some of your friends can.
tarin adur Gallente Invicta.	Posted - 2008.05.03 17:47:00 - [26] Edited by: tarin adur on 03/05/2008 17:48:34 I would suggest something to occupy your time between eve, and also get yourself an Xbox 360 and start playing online there, buy a game like Call of Duty where you don't actually 'collect' anything...and slowly push yourself away from eve...rather then playing for 2 hours in eve,play an hour in eve and an hour on Xbox Live. Next time your corp/alliance has a big op,miss it but stay on vent......separate yourself from any activity in eve that might aggrivate you. Edit - Get a job, a girlfriend and focus on school(if your still i nschool)
Nathanial Victor Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.03 18:08:00 - [27] outside, go there women, meet them sports, play them self control, find it man up nancy. i dont go for the 'mmo addiction' thing. there is no ****** absorbed through your keyboard, its not a true addiction. it's a flaw in your character and you need to take control of yourself and start accepting responsibility for your actions. eve doesn't make you log in, you do it all by yourself. if you dont have any self control, your life is already screwed. your going to have a hell of alot more problems than video games down the road. now quit being a wuss and asking for help in the god damn game forums and go outside. oh, one more hint. throw your computer into the street. since the dawn of time man has lived just fine w/o microprocessors. if you dont have self control, deprive yourself of the means and convinience once and for all. if you cant do the above, stfu, your just grabbing for attention and dont really want to help yourself at all
Powerpulse	Posted - 2008.05.03 18:12:00 - [28] I will answer this because I have been playing since 2003 and have taken many breaks. What normally happens is I hammer at eve for about 5 months and then I take a month break.. I have come unglued in game but not for getting ganked in high or low sec even though ive cursed the people that do it mentally. Nah I find ways to get back at them like tell everybody about thier gate camps or find them with agents and tell local what they are like and what they do whereever i find them..Seems to annoy them as much as annoying me did getting ganked and heck i dont holler at the kid and wife for it. Their was one time though when i completely lost in in eve. I used the F word 56 times in a row because I was stabbed betrayed by people who were supposed to be friends in an alliance i was in.. Considering that if those people had been in the room i was in I seriously would have put some of them in the hospital...Then when i calmed down and realized the full implication of the reaction I had..(when your betrayed its like the world turns red and grey) I then realized that I had to change my form of game play.. I use to love big corps and ops and massive operations. Since that moment I pretty much dont. I have a few chosen friends whom i trust and have known online for over a year and I trust them implicitly..as far as the rest of people in eve they are a means to an end and that is it. Eve is such a reflection of Real life that to be honest the amount of work needed to accomplish some things is even more intensive in Eve then it is in some Jobs In Rl I have had. For instance try setting up a full 11 component T-2 production line with BPO's Reserach FUel Pos prices spreadsheets..Selling the items pro's and cons meeting people making deals..It is all very intensive. Truth is overall Eve is the focus of RL at a x100 magnification of how life could be in space. When you put in alot of work into something in RL you have the LAW to back you up in many situations where in eve you have a corp and isk and smart thinking and mercenaries if push comes to shove. First thing in eve is you can make a couple assumptions for the most part. (1) Not everybody is out to screw you over but you are better off assuming that on some level most will. (2) NEVER EVER EVER trust anybody in this game unless you have tested the crap out of them. Things they say attitudes they have and reliability of what they do. Most people dont have the smarts to play counter to what they really want to do although some are pretty good at lieing cheating and stealing. Just watch what they do...if they are F'ng with ya lose them like a bad smelling crap in the toilet and dont look back. (3) Low sec and 0.0 are designed to do two things. One get you killed unless you know people that can provide protection to keep you alive. 3a make massive amounts of isk if you can set it up but see 3 above Eve often requires time to settle back and watch things happen and not rush in guns blazing with ideas and everything all the time. CHIll relax chat with peope is fun also. NOW THE VERY VERY VERY VERY best thing you can do while playing eve is this. Find a free FIRST PERSON SHOOTER game and get good at it.. People **** you off in eve go shoot people for fun in a game and blowing their fraking head off.. I find it good fun and pretty good at calming me down and getting my mind off of eve. Just my 10 cents
Radcjk Caldari Dark Star LTD Atrocitas	Posted - 2008.05.03 18:43:00 - [29] Get married and / or have a kid. Kills your eve time like a mother******
Cyriel Longinus Caldari XERCORE	Posted - 2008.05.03 18:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Celestial Demon For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that ... The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. ... Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again. Hey man, if you want to discuss this privately in game, I'll be willing to listen. I'm taking what you said above as hints to what's going on with you. Yea, I could be totally wrong here . I'm guessing EvE was a sweet escapism for you when you first discovered it. Then somehow, something you feel strongly about in the real world had leaked into your escape. It's not EvE Online. The commonality is your behavoir. It's evident that you have something to face that goes beyond gaming. You may know what it is or pehaps it's something you fear which you have buried with denial, distractions and escapes. You would be surprised how many people share this sort of behavoir. Even people you would consider strong, have it to some degree. So it's not like your some out of control feak. You took a good step in a direction for you by identifying your needs and willing yourself towards a commitment. It's not a problem unless you allow it to be. Don't ask the GMs to do this for you. For good and bad, take posession and accept. Empower yourself.

Ulatre	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:08:00 - [31] ..can I have your stuff?
Lord Zoran House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:13:00 - [32] Originally by: Verone Give all your posessions to a friend or someone you know in game, along with your characters and leave. It's not worth coming back if there's nothing to come back to. it is definately still worth coming back even if you have nothing to come back to. Makes the game more fun when you have to work your way up again from being a noob again
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:14:00 - [33] Trials to other games MMO's are a hobby. Find an MMO you like and give Eve a rest. I get annoyed when I hear people yapping about Video game addiction and all the crap about how games are this, that and the other thing. I notice most of the time it's alternative media or competition that drag out this hogwash and the real issue is, they are trying to horse **** you into thinking you have issues because you aren't watching them but are instead tucked away in a closed, commercial free environment through subscription gaming. I assume you like most of us are MMO hobbyists and while you might actually hate Eve or you might simply need to explore other aspects of it, the end action will be to try other MMO's and see if they are more your style. Best of luck with it. You may find the frustrations of Eve are the challenges of Eve and come back. Or you may find you really did hate it.
Etchyboy Minmatar Firman AB 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:18:00 - [34] I had the same problem with EQ. I cant count how many hours, days, months and years of my life I wasted away playing that game. I would play that game to the point my fingers would cramp up and I would get a headache. What I hate most about it now is all those times my kids said they were hungry and I would get annoyed that I would have to stop playing a game in order to take care of my own kids... Talk about being a bad parent! Now I dont know how long it will take me to correct all the damage I had done. I stoped playing EQ almost 2 years ago and I tell you what that was the best thing I had ever done. I played WoW for a short time and I did not find it as addictive as EQ. An for once I can play a game that does not require me to be infront of the computer to level up. Giving your stuff away is not going to work. Deleteing your toon wont work either. Your best bet is to limit your game time and schedule your day where you wont have idle time near your computer.
Ioci Gallente Ioci Exploration	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:30:00 - [35] Originally by: Etchyboy I had the same problem with EQ. I cant count how many hours, days, months and years of my life I wasted away playing that game. I would play that game to the point my fingers would cramp up and I would get a headache. What I hate most about it now is all those times my kids said they were hungry and I would get annoyed that I would have to stop playing a game in order to take care of my own kids... Talk about being a bad parent! Now I dont know how long it will take me to correct all the damage I had done. I stoped playing EQ almost 2 years ago and I tell you what that was the best thing I had ever done. I played WoW for a short time and I did not find it as addictive as EQ. An for once I can play a game that does not require me to be infront of the computer to level up. Giving your stuff away is not going to work. Deleteing your toon wont work either. Your best bet is to limit your game time and schedule your day where you wont have idle time near your computer. If this is your situation, you have an addiction. Ignore my previous post. It was geared more towards boredom and assumption that because you are bored and still in a ritual it doesn't mean you have an 'addiction'.
Gerand Terrace Gallente NeRdHeRd	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:41:00 - [36] I cant get addicted to this game cause playing more of it will only get me money which I could give a damn about.
Darineah Charach Minmatar Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 19:46:00 - [37] To the people posting in here that the op should stop 'being a wuss' and that there is no such thing as computer game addiction i say you have no idea what you are talking about. It's an easy mistake to make though, most people equate addiction with physical symptoms, such as withdrawal. What they don't take into account is that the major part of an addictive problem is psychological. People think that because no chemicals are being injested when playing a video game, there can therefore be no 'addiction' and this is simply not true. Agreed, there is no physiological addiction, but the psychological addiction can become very real. Unfortunately, breaking a physical addiction is relatively easy. The tough part in any addiction, be it cigarettes, alcohol, drugs or video games, is breaking the psychological addiction. This is where most addicts who are unable to break the addictive cycle fall down; ask anyone who's ever given up smoking and they'll tell you the physical withdrawal stopped as quickly as a week after their last smoke, but 10 years down the track they're having a beer with friends and the old 'habit' kicks back in and they want a smoke. This is a perfect indicator of psychological addiction. So, what's my point? From a certain point of view it could be argued that there is no specific 'MMO addiction'. However MMO's have an absorbant atmosphere and tap into people on an emotional level, this means that certain people with existing addictive personality traits can easily find themselves 'lost' in that atmosphere and rapidly find the MMO world overshadowing the real. And down that path...lies psychological addiction. The op is expressing some pretty deep feelings and real concerns, and i commend his/her courage in doing so. As with any addiction simply admitting that there might just be an issue here that needs to be addressed means you have the strength to address it. Most never even admit they have a problem.
Zian Tzu	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:04:00 - [38] Edited by: Zian Tzu on 03/05/2008 20:06:35 You could try setting yourself a schedule, so you only play so and so times. Try and get a balance to your play. If that fails then you just have to stop and enjoy the real world. I am on a three day break from gaming as I write this and its nice. To give up completely, one way that works is to focus on your pain and disgust over the game and use that to inhibit yourself, it does work if you really mean it but it has to be all or nothing, uncertainty will fail, the only question is whether you have the chance of a more reasonable approach which you should explore first. To help you be more reasonable you could get CBT counselling and talk it through, which may help you face up to the reality and see how your pattern of thought keeps leading you back to the game. Talking it through with a real person face to face can help you change more than just talking to yourself in a mirror and you have understood that or you would not have posted this here. Also as another avenue worth exploring, you can eat certain foods that will help moderately because they contain inositol, google will tell all eg beef heart, wheat germ, lecithin, blackstrap molasses and bananas which are allegedly inositol rich foods. Inositol is supposed to reduce obsessive compulsive behaviour. I have a bunch of beef heart marinaded in balsamic vinegar in my freezer and if I feel particularly cranky I fry some up and it does seem to help. But I have an evil neurological disease so I have to be up on this stuff. I would not recommend medical drugs because antidepressants are a world of hurt if you dont absolutely need them, but there are certain herbs that help due to anxiolytic properties, I dont mean the smokable type. It depends a lot on the individual but hops, vervain, damiana, cramp bark, slippery elm can all improve you frame of mind and help you relax. And if you are stuck in mental habits then hatha yoga stretching can help break these because it forces a reset of muscle tensions and physically helps you relax and unwind but you have to streatch for 30 secs at a time for that to work properly. There you go, all the tricks I know, take it or leave it.
Nathanial Victor Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:17:00 - [39] Originally by: Darineah Charach To the people posting in here that the op should stop 'being a wuss' and that there is no such thing as computer game addiction i say you have no idea what you are talking about. It's an easy mistake to make though, most people equate addiction with physical symptoms, such as withdrawal. What they don't take into account is that the major part of an addictive problem is psychological. People think that because no chemicals are being injested when playing a video game, there can therefore be no 'addiction' and this is simply not true. Agreed, there is no physiological addiction, but the psychological addiction can become very real. Unfortunately, breaking a physical addiction is relatively easy. The tough part in any addiction, be it cigarettes, alcohol, drugs or video games, is breaking the psychological addiction. This is where most addicts who are unable to break the addictive cycle fall down; ask anyone who's ever given up smoking and they'll tell you the physical withdrawal stopped as quickly as a week after their last smoke, but 10 years down the track they're having a beer with friends and the old 'habit' kicks back in and they want a smoke. This is a perfect indicator of psychological addiction. So, what's my point? From a certain point of view it could be argued that there is no specific 'MMO addiction'. However MMO's have an absorbant atmosphere and tap into people on an emotional level, this means that certain people with existing addictive personality traits can easily find themselves 'lost' in that atmosphere and rapidly find the MMO world overshadowing the real. And down that path...lies psychological addiction. The op is expressing some pretty deep feelings and real concerns, and i commend his/her courage in doing so. As with any addiction simply admitting that there might just be an issue here that needs to be addressed means you have the strength to address it. Most never even admit they have a problem. i agree that he has a real issue, but it is psycological. he isn't in denial, he has posted a thought out analysis of his issue, all he needs to do is act on it. i think one of the biggest problems with society today is we treat everyone with kid gloves as if we are all delicate snowflakes. he knows his problem, he knows how to fix it. you may think I'M the one that is wrong, but i look at ppl here telling him to counteract this eve 'addiction' with other video games, schedules, etc etc... (oh, my favorite "If you want to chat in-game..." give me a fkn break!! what he needs is a drastic change in lifestyle and to remove the option of playing the game from his life all together. like he said and i said, he has no self control. that is his biggest problem. he doesn't need counseling or drugs or anything else. if he is serious he will do what i suggested in my last post, if he isn't then he will stay in his rut. we all have our problems. pandering to them or beating around the bush does nothing. even if he beats his eve addiction, it sounds like he has another one coming around the corner to replace it so... meh. life is a btch, then it has puppies. i know what i'm talking about. no one here needs a school lesson on psychological addictions they need a wake up call
Ryzolette Deer Hunters	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:31:00 - [40] Here's my suggestions: 1. Get professional real life help. People can become addicted to anything (shopping, gambling, sex, drugs, MMOs, running, etc.). 2. I think deleting your characters is too harsh as you may learn to manage your addiction, and will want to come back. I would instead give your account info to a trusted RL friend with a spine who has no interest in EVE/MMOs. Have him change the password and email address. Have him not give you your account info back until a professional thinks you can manage your addiction.

Nathanial Victor Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:38:00 - [41] Originally by: Ryzolette Here's my suggestions: 1. Get professional real life help. People can become addicted to anything (shopping, gambling, sex, drugs, MMOs, running, etc.). yes! if you need video games or anything else to fill in for absences in your life, that is a problem Originally by: Ryzolette 2. I think deleting your characters is too harsh as you may learn to manage your addiction, and will want to come back. I would instead give your account info to a trusted RL friend with a spine who has no interest in EVE/MMOs. Have him change the password and email address. Have him not give you your account info back until a professional thinks you can manage your addiction. ..and you were doing so well. i'm sure his character should be the 2nd priority in line of importance here
Darineah Charach Minmatar Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.05.03 20:43:00 - [42] Originally by: Nathanial Victor Originally by: Darineah Charach like he said and i said, he has no self control. that is his biggest problem. he doesn't need counseling or drugs or anything else. if he is serious he will do what i suggested in my last post, if he isn't then he will stay in his rut. we all have our problems. pandering to them or beating around the bush does nothing. even if he beats his eve addiction, it sounds like he has another one coming around the corner to replace it so... meh. life is a btch, then it has puppies. i know what i'm talking about. no one here needs a school lesson on psychological addictions they need a wake up call I know you're trying to be helpful here, but you're really not. You see, nobody chooses to be an addict. For that reason nobody can 'choose' to not be an addict, or at least very few people can. You state that the op needs to exercise some self control, well if that were an option he probably already would have. This is the issue with addictive personalities. I hear all the time people saying addicts or depressives etc should just 'harden the **** up' and it makes me sad that there are so many ill informed people out there. These issues are real and throwing a blanket 'do a Nike' on them unfortunately only makes it worse as it adds another layer of self recrimiation to a person who already has plenty of that.
Yakia TovilToba Halliburton Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:19:00 - [43] On the addiction issue: all the replies so far suggested that the OP should change himself. There are two ways to create change, you can change yourself or you can change your environment. In our case the OP can chose between changing himself or he might chose to destroy EVE and all the other MMOs, which will solve the problem aswell. Some are already trying to destroy the game, since the game made them addictive and then let others torture them and such. Heard goonswarm had the goal to destroy eve (there were discussions about this during the t20 incident), but seems they didn't have much success, but there are far better ways to destroy MMOs, and this is by using the legal system against them. Unfortunately it most likely won't work where i live (Europe), but since many of the MMOs are also active in a mighty country with a brilliant legal system, that allows people to sue for millions because their cat died in a microwave and there was no warning on the microwave that pets might die .. or coffeshops can be sued for millions since the coffee was hot and someone scalds oneself when drinking it - guess what you can do to MMOs that destroyed your live without a word of warning. They didn't warn you that they are addictive (!!), they caused a severe damage on your life and they profited from that in form of subscription fees. Get some expert reports that MMOs are addictive, get some witnesses that can testify what a bad effect the game addiction had on you (lost your job, didn't make your degree, lost girlfriend, whatever) and get some good lawyers - if everything goes well, you have a few millions on your bank account and the problem is solved (due bankruptcy of the mmo company).
no013 Minmatar Stormwolf Holdings LLC	Posted - 2008.05.03 21:42:00 - [44] Edited by: no013 on 03/05/2008 21:44:08 Here is a few things you can try... Most people say get a life... that might be the solution. When your playing game your escaping into a world of your own that is why movies and gaming are so popular. It lets you escape from reality once in a while to relieve stress. How ever if you immerse yourself in a game it might actually cost more stress. If you are more active in your lifestyle like sports, hiking, running and etc... your brain release feel good hormones that help relieve stress and relaxes your mind and body. Same result different path. It also cuts your play time down so you can enjoy the game with out playing it too much. You can still be very active in your gaming life but also active in your personal life. You can also just reason with yourself. Stand back and take a few breath and just realize this is just a game. The point of the game is to have fun and if it is not fun any more why play it. You can just take a break and go back to in when ever you feel like it. It will no run away from you so you can always come back =). The easiest way out thou is just replace one addiction with another. It is not the most healthy way to do business, but it sure works. You can replace your addiction with eve with physical activities I mention before for double the benfit. That is just my 2 cent so... "don't be angry, feel happy." -sorry some how that got stuck in my head after reading your post
Dr Slaughter Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.03 22:52:00 - [45] Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 03/05/2008 22:54:49 Take up a competitive sport that get's you the hell away from the computer. Sell you characters and donate the ISK to some cause in the game (Cribba springs to mind). Sell your computer. Start clubbing 4-5 nights a week. Find a girlfriend/boyfriend who demands 100% of your time. Or several girlfriends who keep you on your toes. Get married. Have kids. Move to the country. Learn putting out the bin is more important to posting on here. etc. I had a similar problem with Civilization until I destroyed the CD
no013 Minmatar Stormwolf Holdings LLC	Posted - 2008.05.03 23:46:00 - [46] Originally by: Dr Slaughter Edited by: Dr Slaughter on 03/05/2008 22:54:49 Take up a competitive sport that get's you the hell away from the computer. Sell you characters and donate the ISK to some cause in the game (Cribba springs to mind). Sell your computer. Start clubbing 4-5 nights a week. Find a girlfriend/boyfriend who demands 100% of your time. Or several girlfriends who keep you on your toes. Get married. Have kids. Move to the country. Learn putting out the bin is more important to posting on here. etc. I had a similar problem with Civilization until I destroyed the CD Haha I remember when I played Diablo II... I destroyed the cd and posted the CD key online... that was the last resort because i became too addicted to the game
Dr Slaughter Rabies Inc.	Posted - 2008.05.03 23:59:00 - [47] Originally by: no013 Haha I remember when I played Diablo II... I destroyed the cd and posted the CD key online... that was the last resort because i became too addicted to the game I am not alone then! I realised the CIV CD must die when my girlfriend of the time went tosee her parents on Friday evening and when she came back on Sunday afternoon I was 'just finishing'. Not good.
LUH 3471	Posted - 2008.05.04 00:17:00 - [48] Edited by: LUH 3471 on 04/05/2008 00:24:54 Originally by: Celestial Demon I wrote this page long post how eves community is turning to garbage and the reasons but took a deep breath and Deleted it. I realized I need to deal with the root of the problem and stop complaining about random stuff. Il need to clarify 1 thing before you guys read this, I have played eve since early 2004 but recently started a new account for certain reasons. I in my time have taken few breaks from eve, always coming back a few weeks later if i felt burnt out. This time though its not like that, I came back after a break and was bored right off the bat and annoyed more than ever with having to deal with players that were much nastier than I remember. I Took another break and came back and was still bored, I tried to force myself to play but quickly got frustrated dealing with some of the losers in the game. I wish I wanted to keep playing, but I feel like the game has nothing for me any more at all no matter how much I try to find something. This morning I realized what kind of toll this is taking on me. I was in Amarr and some guy dishonored a 1 vs 1 by having his corp mate kill me at the end. I lost control and Cursed them out in local, I typed out a bunch of full curses out of pure anger and logged off carrying that anger into Real life. This wouldn't be even close to the first time i lost control of myself and carried the angry with me and took it out on people I lived with by yelling at them for stupid things. For my own mental health I cannot let a online game take control of me like that For my own good and everyone else's I think its time I walked away The problem is I can't , I have quit so many times, and every time I manage to stay away from weeks to a few months but ALWAYS end up coming back to be Burned again. I really don't know what to do, I don't have any self control either. Im wondering if I should even ask a senior GM to IP BAN ME so I can't ever play again. ip ban wont solve anything you will simply find something else instead either continue playing mind games cheating yourself or go to root of problem it is all very simple only agency that makes it complicated is head - thinking - hamster wheel running stop it surrender into (spiritual) heart be honest to yourself and all will solve itself by itself in due time heart intelligence>whatever other intelligences it is really all a matter of how authentic we can be to our own being no need to entertain the head here
Mecinia Lua Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.05.04 03:38:00 - [49] I know how you feel OP :). When I played SWG before the NGE I played something like 8 hours a day and sometimes more. When I came to EVE I put the same time and effort into EVE. I've had to cut back a lot lately though, I've had some real life issues such as home repairs that have necessitated me cutting back on play time. It's not just the repairs but I also have to sleep away from home because the floors are what is being repaired. Thus lately I've had to try to limit on game time to 2 hours a day except on my day off. It is hard, especially when stuff comes up like it did today. Wish I'd had more time but I stayed on about ninety minutes more than I should have. I didn't sleep to good either because I didn't get it all done. Computer game addiction is very real, it is like any other addiction. You've recognized that you have a problem. I've recognized I was doing to much with the time to reflect recently and things have improved mostly in cutting back playing time, problem is its hard to get much done in the game in such a short time. I hope you can find a solution :)
Miz Cenuij	Posted - 2008.05.04 07:36:00 - [50] I broke my eve addiction. I now only play 1 hour per week. Now I play xbox 360 cod4 5 hours per day. The best thing about that is that when someone makes me want to wtf rage, I can shoot them in the face. Much more satisfying.

Dau Imperius Amarr	Posted - 2008.05.04 08:37:00 - [51] To the OP: You've summed up one of the mega-problems with EVE (and most gamers these days). The lack of conscious thought in a now useless internet culture. I'd go on a rant about that, but it's a different subject eh. Anways, addiction: You did something I can still not bear to do: Delete my character. I've been playing this game on and off for five years. (There's not that many of us originals left who reemmber every stage of EVEm both good and mostly bad.) If I did delete my character, then I'd have to agree...I may not be prone to play ever again. (Good for me maybe.) That being said, I come back to this game every time (and not because of the content and it's lousy player-base as has been shown.) But because I don't have to sit all day in front of the screen to 'level'. That's the only reason. Most other MMOS seem to be full of solo and/or clan based players who don't care about group dynamics roleplay, or other reasons why the first MMOs came into being (To simply put to pictures to what most of us Pencil and Paper, and later Mud players have known for decades). Unfortunetly over the last 10+ years it's devolved into **s and tossers online. The only thing I can compare it to is a Warhammer 40K reference: The Horus Heresy. The grand crusade of gaming has been betrayed by the likes of self absorbed players who see this all as some bizzare outlet to be nothing more then savages all under the guise of 'saving' ourselves from the oringal intents. Perhaps I'm being philosophical here. (ok yes I am), but that and the fact that it's basically become a new life for most of us, who can do things we can't in real life...something has changed. Personally I now let go of most of this (something I wish I'd done in my last five years), and hold on to the pencil and paper sessions when I can. EVE is no only a so-so game for me. True I can't let ago of my character, but I know now that I have to let go of such games at times. Some wiser players (and the OP) have stated giving your character up is a way to go. if it helps, then do so. Personally I recommend doing something equally pleasurable in life that can help you focus your habit in these games into something you can enjoy without watching a monitor all day...short of being a ** and shoointg people with guns because the game tells you to. :P
Zian Tzu	Posted - 2008.05.04 09:17:00 - [52] Originally by: Yakia TovilToba On the addiction issue: all the replies so far suggested that the OP should change himself. There are two ways to create change, you can change yourself or you can change your environment. In our case the OP can chose between changing himself or he might chose to destroy EVE and all the other MMOs, which will solve the problem aswell. Some are already trying to destroy the game, since the game made them addictive and then let others torture them and such. LOL I have to admit that I have felt this way myself from time to time, about JumpGate as well, though I have to say Earth and Beyond beta never made me feel like that, but maybe that was why it folded. But I thought this was a good point because you do have that dilemma of blame the game or taking responsibility for your own actions. I just wanted to point out that blaming others will never lead to a solution because you cannot control the whole world, its impossible and anyway others will tell you you dont have the right to control them and they have a point. So you can only realistically hope to have the right to control yourself and while that is the only thing that makes sense it isnt always very easy, but its a lot harder if you are engaged in the fruitless attempt to blame someone else for your actions. So you cant blame Eve or CCP even though the game is undoubtedly designed to be addictive and even somewhat morally degenerate. You have to ask why you find it so attractive, that is the one question you have to be honest about, as the OP said, you cant blame the game. you have to look at yourself, its the only logical conclusion. If you are aware of why you play it then you are halfway to finding out what to do about it. Once you are aware of the heirarchical game you are playing with all MMOs you can take them or leave them like any shooter ETQW for example, is where I get my insta-jollies. I play Eve because its "SPACE!LOL" and to avoid reality temporarily and have some fun. Its a game, so an occupation where seriousness takes a holiday by definition. The point where Eve has to stop is where it makes my life worse, or rather where I make my life worse by playing Eve and actions of other players can influence that, but it doesnt mean it is sane to try to influence them or CCP not to do what they want. If I wanted that I could buy X3 and blast everything in sight with PSGs. The paradox is that in a game you can do things that dont make sense for fun, to see what happens, so perhaps that is why some people knowingly are attempting to destroy the game as part of the game, as the ultimate act of perverse degenerate insanity. The fact is that to play a game with other people requires your cooperation in the first place so you and you alone are responsible for that, noone else can be.
Jones Maloy Minmatar Unified Naval Command	Posted - 2008.05.05 08:33:00 - [53] go to a local narcotics anonomanis (christ i suck at spelling) and tell them you are addicted to videogames. they will understand. also a higher power can be an ideal or value such as justice. Unofficial Official Jita Fubar Thread


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